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Religion is only a victim of the human problems your stated above...
I agree that religion has it's cons but until there's a better way to curb the first human problem you stated above or a way to reduce it to a bare minimum...Then I'd support religion even tho it has become corrupted and is being exploited just like every other core system in our bleeped up society

I still don't know why some people just like looking for trouble sha

In my own opinion most pastors are just like the members of the Nigerian govt.They both take advantage of a position of power(a position that was the initially created for very good reasons and much greater purpose) and they corrupt it for their own selfish gains...Over the years,the true purpose for which such a position of authority was created is replaced with new ones that are more profitable to the holders of such positions...Anyone who understands the way the Nigerian govt works would understand everything I'm trying to say and what i didn't say...

WeRblessed:
You are heartless!

Lol don't stress yourself over an illusion...This is the internet,anybody can pretend to be anything

I don't believe in re-incarnation....
But I think the 1st law of thermodynamics would somehow support that theory in my view...What is the reason for your question?

KNEO777:
According to Yvonne, “the price is that, once I stop sleeping with him, all our hard earned wealth will vanish in thin air and my son will die a very painful death.”

LMFAO

Hmmm the first deist I've seen on NL
Nice one

nicedas:
there are two kind of people all around the globe who consciously or unconsciously believe Islam is a religion of war
1. THE TERRORIST
2.THOSE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVES IN WHATS THESE TERRORIST PREACH

True cos i think when i was younger,i never had a reason to stereotype islam as a religion of violence but all of a sudden it was a general conception... I think when terrorism started becoming associated with islam was attacks that have been coming after 9/11... They've been nothing to write home about but i don't think it should now create a false reality for it's other well meaning followers...

@budaatum First off I'm only a supporter of religion due to it's many advantages which outnumber it's disadvantages... I'm in no way a follower of religion cos it seems you view me in the light
Secondly,I believe it's erroneous to think that without religion and it's doctrines, there won't be morality in society because i believe like you've mentioned we humans have l a conscience,right?...So somehow it's supposed to help in creating a balance btw good and evil without a reward or punishment theory
But now that's from my perspective is a mistake atheists make,just like i once did...But after careful consideration I realized that atheists are people who have to a extent in most cases a higher IQ than the average human so this people tend to understand the world differently,from a broader perspective...You mentioned that you respect me because I respect you but then there are still people who would still disrespect you when you respect them... It's not reciprocated cos they decided to put reasoning aside... Now how many people in the world are atheists?How many have the intellectual capacity to understand life on the level of atheists?...Imagine the level of corruption in our country currently even tho religion is very important part of our nation...Yet we still have a very alarming level of criminal activities,hideous crimes fod that matter...Now there are people who are hungry and without a dime to their names, they've contemplated suicide, involvement in crimes and all that but there's this constant reminder of that reward and punishment cos you can't say it's their conscience alone...
There could be a surge in the rate of suicide,people would do things without giving a f***,cos I'm gonna die anyways so why don't i live for now and enjoy everything right now because there no greater consequence...If the justice system catches up with me I'd kill myself before anything happens.. I'm sure your familiar with the statement "God will judge you"...This statement holds a lot of weight to the people saying it(hope,that even though they can't/won't do anything to the offender,they believe that there's a much higher power that will do so on their behalf)...People say things like this even when the justice system is unjust and unfair...They could have reacted immediately but chose not to and leave everything to "God"...Imagine if they now know there's no other greater justice which they assumed there was,how would this affect society... I'm guessing it would be an eye for an eye kinda world...This are just a few examples of what could become if it happened...
My point is most atheists do not realize that people don't have the same mind as they do... I'd like to believe that most atheists do good and I've seen a lot of them(identified as one once) but then the major problem is that most people don't ppssess the kind of mentality atheists have or view things from their perspective...This is why I'm afraid that religion would one day be eliminated from society,i believe its already leaving the system and people(even it's followers) are taking eternal damnation very lightly...This has given rise to a new generation of crisis and conflicts...You can see the difference btw religious people before and now, there'sa very clear picture as to how this people now take the basis and foundation's of their religion lackadaisically...The end of religion could just as much be the beginning of the end of the world,i don't know for sure I'm only guessing or maybe humans would now realize that there's really nothing special about this life and be more reasonable (This i deem almost impossible)

asuustrike2009:
That is the way some behave. Behaviour are influenced by certain factors. The reason for such behaviour is as a result of what most muslim brothers and sisters do to tarnish the image of islam.Many of them are violent in nature. Based on that many persons view muslims that way. Although it's not right because they are good Muslims but you just have to deal with it. This can be likened to the way many persons including Muslim faithful view Nigeria pastors. There are good ones but because of the way many had tarnished the image of Christianity, the good ones face the persecution.

True but you shouldn't use the word "many", sounds like your still generalizing the whole thing

budaatum:
It is a pity you think that, though I understand how you may come to that conclusion. The general attitude on here seems to be campish, as in, one must belong to a religious camp and adopt the beliefs that go along with the camp one belongs to, and God forbid that an atheist see any merit in Christ, or a Christian see any merit in Islam! Yet each camp claims they are told to love their neighbour. I guess the landlord has to check that those he rents to believe the same thing! (Yep, sarcasm).

I just don't do camp. I find I difficult to align my thought with the general public and I refuse to delegate to someone else my ability to reason. If i have a rule, it is to do unto others as they do unto me. We began in good faith, and I intend to continue.

Welcome back.

Thanks mahn
I tots get what your saying...
I've being reasoning lately about the whole issue of religion and i was wondering about what could happen if there wasn't religion? Or religion is finally eliminated from socoety? It's maybe unlikely that I'd be able to predict what would happen correctly but my guess is that if humans knew that we end it all here,that there's no afterlife,no punishment after you die etc,there would be a serious crisis in the world...Even with religion,people are still doing the most sickening things in the world,even tho they may take the theory of eternal punishment lightly,it still rings at the back of their minds...Imagine everybody is now free to do as they please with only the justice system left to instil fear and maintain a balance between good and evil in the society? Do you think it'll be enough? Do you think people would deter from commiting evil because they could die or spend years in prison?Even if they would be executed won't they be consoled by the fact that they just cease to exist which everybody is still gonna do at some point? Take Hitler for example,the dude literally murdered millions of lives because he didn't like jews. Imagine?This could happen even at a more frequent rate if the fear of eternal damnation is eliminated...Which is why I'm still inconclusive as to whether it's the universe trying to balance the difference between good and evil(maybe that's why the efforts of atheists etc are continuously futile in trying to convince theists of their delusion) or if it's religion is something created a long time ago by the wisest generation to keep humanity in check...What i think is we should prolly be grateful for it...What do you think?

nicedas:
U right... But this matter tire me, wish I can find solution to this madness

Ignore the negativity... It's funny you never realized the fact that it's mostly on the internet this things happen...The internet is only an illusion, don't let it affect or rub off on you...I seriously feel for the people who are victims of such negativity cos they end up with the wrong conclusion just like you and this is where conflicts begin
Say whatever you want to say as long as it's worth saying, otherwise your somehow letting invisble people cease your voice and putting you in an imaginary cage...No offence

nicedas:
It happens here on naraland, fb, twitter et cetera no body can disengage these facts from religion and Christianity... Imagine, i don't read comments on Muslim posts because of what I c

I know that you that people doing this things are "Christians" but what I'm saying is that generalizing something because of a few people is the same thing that Christians are doing...How do you feel when people associate violence and terrorism with your religion?
Aren't you doing the same thing right now?... I'm not supporting anybody here cos I couldn't be bothered with religion but I'm just trying to make you understand that you don't act on the stupidity of some certain people and generalize it... Nothing good ever comes out of it

Remove religion from the whole matter and you'd see that it's just people doing what people normally do...You shouldn't be bothered,just ignore

budaatum:
You and I have shown sufficient respect for one another for you to expect that I would not be sarcastic towards you. If I were sarcastic towards you then I would be the worst sort of hypocrite considering what I recently said to someone else. Please remove the sarcasm. I found your thought experiment interesting. My response is as written. If there's any part you need me to explain, be specific.

I'm glad you see reason in the thought experiment...And also know that we respect each other enough...
I've observed since the first time we talked that sometimes you say things that tend to make a stranger see you as a Christian without actually knowing your just being sarcastic...Hence my assumption but I now understand what you were insinuating
Been off nairaland for some days now hence the late reply

budaatum:
The colour of the glass is irrelevant to bees. Their sole purpose is to find nectar, take it to the hive and produce honey. If they stand in front of stained glass being curious, they will not be dumb bees for long for eventually they will drop down dead, their type will not propagate, and such curious bees will become extinct.

Human beings though have bank accounts with savings in it and food in the fridge, so they have excess time, not only to be curious about stained glass, but to go in and join in with the worship of said stained glass. But even they are not dumb. I think humans set aside a few hours every seventh day for stained glass staring at. The more than six-sevenths is spent gathering nectar to make honey to store in the fridge or bank account or they too shall die and their sort will become extinct.

Basically, dumb bees become extinct bees as do dumb human beings.

I really don't understand what your getting at,no matter how many times i read your comment
I sense sarcasm but that's only an assumption
If you could kindly shed more light on your perspective

“Imagine that a group of curious bees lands on the outside of a church window. Each bee gazes upon the interior through a different stained glass pane. To one bee, the church’s interior is all red. To another it is all yellow and so on. The bees cannot experience the inside of the church directly; they can only see it. They can never touch the interior or smell it or interact with it in any way. If bees could talk they might argue over the color of the interior. Each bee would stick to his version, not capable of understanding that the other bees were looking through different pieces of stained glass. Nor would they understand the purpose of the church or how it got there or anything about it. The brain of a bee is not capable of such things.
“But these are curious bees. When they don’t understand something, they become unsettled and unhappy. In the long run the bees would have to choose between permanent curiosity—an uncomfortable mental state—and delusion. The bees don’t like those choices. They would prefer to know the true color of the church’s interior and its purpose, but bee brains are not designed for that level of understanding. They must choose from what is possible,either discomfort or self-deception. The bees that choose discomfort will be unpleasant to be around and they will be ostracized. The bees that choose self-deception will band
together to reinforce their vision of a red-based interior oyellow-based interior and so on.”
“So you’re saying we’re like dumb bees?” I asked, trying to lighten the mood.
“Worse. We are curious.”

At this point in my life, nothing surprises me anymore...

What difference does it really make?
Plus your still asking the same question that's being repeated on this forum

candlewax:
i know someone will give me 6/10

Augustap

Hmmmmmm
I believe her intial comment was telling you that you're too old for this bs, if you had just ignored it based on the fact that "your just having fun" then it prolly wouldn't have turned into all that which makes me think different
Anyways it's good to know "you've gotten over it"
Cheers.

candlewax:
i said bashing is allowed, not name calling and derogatory remarks, what deadrat posted, thats bashing. while she passed her aggression on me. but i'm cool now. its one of those things I can not change

Augustap

I just want to let you know that you weren't mentally prepared for the backlash you got...
You were still looking for something positive in all the negativity...Your still trying to prove a point even tho you say your trying to have fun(this I don't believe)...
You were looking for trouble,now you've found it and you don't like it...Best thing is to ignore and forget that .shit. happened.Otherwise,your just gonna keep wallowing in the negativity
Most people on NL don't have joy

Ferisidowu:
of course what do you expect .... you can educate me though I'd gladly learn.....

pls am waiting at least the Bible says we should help weaker brethren ...

I'm waiting .... guess you know the op in person ....or maybe there's no more internet scam

educate me bro

I'm waiting

Lol..I understand your skeptism perfectly but it doesn't warrant your choice of language...You never know who your talking to,if you cant proffer a solution then don't say anything negative...We humans are quick to judge based on what we believe is true, I totally get it, it's human nature i suppose...But the thing is you need to get rid of that mentality, it's not worth it... It's same thing that happens when people see someone who is slim and they immediately start believing that the person doesn't eat at all,whereas it could just be that the person is genetically predisposed to be slim so he/she needs to eat more than the average person but do people think about that? No.We quickly judge the person without even giving the person a chance
Not everybody is a scammer...He may or may not be a scammer,whoever can help him would be sure to ask for more info before anything happens and I'm not even sure anyone on nairaland can help him cos his been on this matter a while now from his previous post...
Bottom line don't be quick to judge and say negative things about people without even giving them a chance...

Ferisidowu:
the Bible never encouraged joblessness never encourages begging .... if you sincere he'll send help

I won't condemn for what you just said cos I want to believe it's lack of knowledge and for the dude asking for help i hope you find someone here who can help(that's if you genuinely need it),if i had i would have helped but that's not case right now
Have you tried looking for a job tho?

OtemAtum:
I am not against the celebration of fictitious Jesus. I am only celebrating Niklas my favourite hero and in celebrating him, I am not throwing any banger. I am just remembering Niklas, a very early thinker and it doesn't stop others from celebrating fictitious Jesus, fictitious Santa Clause or whoever they want to celebrate. I think we are free in this world to celebrate whoever we want to celebrate, so why are you against my celebration of Niklas my hero?

I defo know that we're not all the same so you are entitled to celebrate whatever you want to but like your are clearly insinuating from the use of the word "fictious" that you don't believe they exist...Hence the people celebrating them are wasting time celebrating something that never existed,so you instead want to celebrate somebody you believe existed...But what I'm still saying is that you're alone on that road your on,but all I needed to know was whether you are somehow against the celebration,i think i know now..
Happy Niklas day

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OtemAtum:
We who know history can tell you that Christmas celebration predates the fictitious hero Jesus. Even Horus, Attis, Mithras and Zeusus (Dionysus) are all born in December and they have been celebrating this day centuries before the Jesus story was invented. Niklas is also one of those whose birth day falls in Capricorn and according to what I know, he is worth being celebrated.

Once again, HAPPY NIKLAS DAY.

Good!!!
Now we've made significant progress...Your against Christmas due to the perceived reason for the season
First off,Niklas just like Jesus are flimsy excuses for a cause to celebrate something,a reason to be happy even if they've got to wait a whole year to attain such happiness...When i see the funny posts on NL about the birth of jesus,i see the same thing that has repeatedly cost humans our happiness... The people who created this things usually do so with a greater good in mind but along the many generations,the whole thing is corrupted, misinterpreted,rubbished etc...If your against the celebration of Jesus then celebrate Christmas,the santa claus with trees,lights,gifts, fireworks...That way you are somehow celebrating with the larger masses...quit looking for a way to indirectly say your against the celebration of Christmas like you actually directly know the customs and practices associated with the celebration you're proffering without checking the internet...

OtemAtum:
I don't get you. Have you read about Niklas or Nicolas? The person whose doctrine was hated in your book of Revelation? His birthday falls in Capricorn(December). I'll refer you to the Doctufos of Truth. Happy Niklas Day once again.

Well I won't say I'm conversant with the Niklas your talking about... Would be nice to learn something new about him as long as it's worth it.. I'm don't do religion btw just incase you see me in that light
If some dude is the reason for your celebrations I'm forced to think your prolly against the more conventional dude i.e. Jesus...But that's just my thoughts,if it isn't correct I'd like to know...

I understand that you are trying to prove sturrbon by rejecting the fact another figure and a whole other cause for celebration is also today...I totally get it
But this is just sad
Happy Niklas day anyways

KaraReads:
All of these are true. Been on nairaland for less than a day and I've already seen a lot of posts that lower your IQ.

Lol...I know riggghhhttt
Welcome to nairaland

Beemhan:
Tell that fanatic

MrRichmond:
See them extroverts vexing any how...
Sitting still or having your personal quiet time doesn't mean you are an introvert, it's just means that you can reflect on your character, behavior, experiences etc. and extract useful lessons from them.
It's a sign of intelligence.
and yes, introverts are known to do this more.

I know right
There are introverts who are intelligent just as there extroverts who are intelligent and vice versa...I don't know what people are being bitter about

Fit2Rule:
6. Intelligent people don't see GOD as a fallible being, don't regret being a human being at this time. They also don't feel they are in the wrong planet because they are inteligent enough to know that GOD created and put them on earth for a special purpose. They work hard to discover and fulfill that purpose.

LMAO
Very funny....But truth is the points you mentioned has nothing to do with intelligence
I feel that your attacking me on a personal level and i quite frankly don't know the reason for that negativity

enilove:
For Christians , it is a so to marry more than one wife. Jesus said:

Matthew 19:4-6 KJV
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, [5] And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? [6] Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Taking another wife has divided the marriage. God recognises the first wife only. "Two shall become one" not three.

1 Timothy 3:1-4 KJV
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
[4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

The wicked one I was referring to was Lamech :
Genesis 4:23-24 KJV
And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
[24] If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

So what would you say about Jacob who married two wives? Would you make an exception in his case?