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budaatum:
They are not my pastors, to start with, and any idiot can make any claims they want to. It's that freedom to say what one wishes to say that one should fight for Jamiu Adegunwa chief lecturer of Risalatul Haq Dawah International, and Yusuf Adepoju Chief lecturer of ACADIP International to have, mindful of shouting fire where there's no smoke or plain lying least fools like you run with it claiming some people want to convert you to their own religion.

Fact remains that no one, neither Christain nor Muslim, has the power to impose any religion on Nigeria, or on you, I would have thought. If the Christian and Muslims don't oppose it, I'm certain the atheists and indigenous god worshippers would protect you.

You are not living in real world. Looks like you dont know whats going on. You need to watch Jamiu Adegunwa. He will open your eyes.

budaatum:
You want to tell me there is no Abuja national mosque? Or is it just that you are used to discussing with ignorant people like you?

Please you need to re-read my posts. This is why you say rubbish. I won't repeat myself on this. Go back and read what i said.

budaatum:
So, if I go and dig up a thread about Uthman Dan Fodio dipping the Quran in the sea, you would accept it as evidence of Islamisation of Nigeria by Muslims, would you? Or would you claim Uthman Dan Fodio did not have a manifesto?

Rubbish. Address the manifesto written by your pastors and stop perambulating, sir.

budaatum:
What you are asking me to address is your ignorance, which means I should educate you despite your unwillingness to learn!

Christians pilgrimaging to Jerusalem, dates back centuries before Mohammed or Islam, but why should government pay some people to go on holiday to worship their god and not pay others? Can you not see how some may see that as promoting one religion over another? I bet you would though, if they only paid Christians to go on pilgrimage. You'd probably provide it here as evidence of CAN Christianising Nigeria!

Wikipedia?. My guy, seriously?. I said they have no evidence from their religious Holy text but you showed wikipedia as a proof. Okay, how about Abuja national church built by Obj at the expense of nigeria economy?.

And you are still not addressing manifesto issues. Your problem is you have not read wide. I interact with evangelical christians and read many things they have done in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Even in the 40s and 50s christians forged a fake Quran. They are still pursuing the same agenda; one of which is they must not allow muslims to get education and restrict their employment opportunity. This is now playing out big time in 21st century. I have heard cases of muslims been conditioned to convert to christianity before they can hire them. They go to any length to pay huge salary to a muslim in order to convert him/her.

Not only that, there is a doctor in lagos and anytime muslim patients go there for scan he always talks about religion. His TV is always on and stays on one channel preaching Gospel. Abeg, this is a doctor's office. In doctor's office what patients should watch on TV is about health news. I repeat, Nigeria is a mess, big mess. I can't prove this to you bcus you are not on my whatsapp. Otherwise I could easily send you voice note. It is one of his employees who is a muslim that exposed him and we investigated his office by sending 2 muslim preachers there. They pretend they wanted to do scan and that's how we got him and his being reported to health officials. I have the voicenote conversation sent to me and I dont need to proof anything to you.

As for govt sponsoring religious trips to holy places, this is unnecessary waste of treasury. This is govt's fault. Quran doesn't say this. Ability to go to pilgrimage depends on individual capacity. This is what Quran teaches.

budaatum:
Why should government pay for you to go worship your god, be it the Christian one or that of Muslims? Does pilgrimage improve you nation in any way? Wouldn't a more sensible person ask that that money be spent on education instead of sending the priviledged on a vacation?

Guy, I have not delved into whether it was appropriate for govt to fund pilgrimage or not. Bone of contention is clear in my post. Address that. This is not about whether govt should or should not.

This is one of the many downsides of marrying christian. They wanna christianize his body

calculator123:
Rubbish.

Can the man be laid to rest already?

Why do politicians play politics with everything. It doesn't cost much to bury him the Muslim way.

A couple of family and friends, an imam and with three hours, the burial is done.

budaatum:
Christians are not "responsible for downfall of Nigeria today", and neither are Muslims, for that matter. What is responsible for whatever you call "Nigerians downfall" is the stupidity and ignorance of the type you show here that allows some Muslims and some Christians to be pitted against one another, and in my opinion such people neither follow the teachings of Jesus nor Mohammed and are not Christians nor Muslims.

no no buddy. You didn't learn their past. CHRISTIANs destroyed Nigeria economy because of jealousy for Islam and Muslims. Example is Hajj. We have evidence for Holy pilgrimage to Mecca but christianity doesn't have evidence to make pilgrimage to Jerusalem. So they coerced give to fund their pilgrimage to Jerusalem too.

Now read these attachments

budaatum:
So, you recognise that "only a few were members of CAN" but think as their members grew they would have adopted whatever manifesto Redeemed Christian Church and Deeper Life wrote?

it is still there or not?. What they wrote in their manifesto is still being fullfiled by them until today. This thread is a proof of that. You see what they did to the Muslim preacher. And all of you here denying it are proofs too. You want to deny your past but if it is Muslim you continue to dig their past to crucify them, abi?

Are you even aware that those two churches you mention were a tiny wing of Christians in the 70s and 80s, and that the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Anglicans, all had more members at that time?

Yes, I am aware. But these you mentioned are like heretic Churches in the eyes of RCCG, Deeper and Oyedepo church today. That's why they have no say.

So RCCG is still pursuing it's mission supported by CAN. For fact that you are trying to deny their evil makes you a culprit. The only way to relieve them is that Adeboye, kumuyi, Oyedepo et al need to come out openly and tender apologies to Muslims in Nigeria and worldwide. For fact that their threats in the documents remain today will continue to be used against them. Did you read what they said about late South African Muslim preacher too?. They wished him dead as well yet they said Christ is peace. Rubbish

budaatum:
I'd have asked you to justify your allegation but seeing how you reason, I doubt I'd bother.

did you read the attached documents months ago or not?. If you did, what is it I have to prove or justify to you?.

Front page of their MANIFESTO mentioned says Redeemed Christian Church and Deeper Life. At the time in the 70s, 80s and 90s there were fewer churches and only handful were members of CAN. But today there are many churches now under CAN. Back then it was RCCG and Deeper Life that championed CAN. So it is very idiotic on your part to say a Christian local wing was responsible for the manifesto and not CAN. No. It was mainstream Christian organizations that published evil documents in 1994.

Today, it is rccg and Oyedepo church that champion CAN. Now, how is RCCG, which is responsible for evil terror manual "a local wing"?.

Here is the document again. Open your eyes and look at the time page written RCCG. They even stated date and time it was written.

Why are you defending evil man?. Your lack of accountability is the reason for injustices in Nigeria. CHRISTIANs are responsible for downfall of Nigeria today.

budaatum:
Stop lying! What you posted is not CAN Manifesto! It is tge championing of some local wing of CAN, at best, and the equivalent of someone claiming boko haram represents Islam because one Imam or Mosques says so.

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HYPOCRITE

stanluiz:
Yoruba Muslims are the problem of the SW.

They will sell Yoruba land to the Fulani just like afonjas did in ilorin.

who betrayed MKO Abiola against Fulani, Muslims or Christians?

budaatum:
Don't mind him. They are mere pawns in a bigger game but know it not.

http://canng.org/images/docs/can-constitution.pdf

"don't mind him"? Why are you guys so hypocritical?.

You left your comment on this thread before saying that you couldn't believe CAN could write such manifesto and I showed you proof. You read it yourself and now denied it again. Tell me who champions CAN?. RCCG is a leading member Church of CAN and they published their MANIFESTO called "65 prayer points" in 1994. You read it yourself and now your are denying it. Why are you guys so hypocritical?.

Your problem is that you want the world to conceal your evil. Listen, many Muslims are aware of evil CAN/RCCG manifesto and one day it will explode in the country. So please deny their manifesto was not written by CHRISTIAN leaders?. It seems you didn't read it in the first place. Go back and read their docs. It is very filthy.

It was wide spread in the 90s before they collected and hide it in their library.

Better still you need to watch former pastor Mathew Oyewole testimony about this. He exposed how they sent CHRISTIANs to Muslim countries to learn Islam and Arabic and returned to Nigeria to cause trouble. Remove clog from your eyes and stop posting rubbish. This further proves why I hate Christians bcuz not long ago you condenmed them for publishing hate speech but now you backtracked. You like to stand on the fence by claiming you are not Christian but at the same time you act like your are Muslim. Another time you act like you are both "chrislam". You must be very dangerous

Same woman here

sapientia:
Keep ranting

Just concluded that you have a single digit IQ

Yusuf and Shekau are Rev Fathers or pastors if that will make you happy

Time spent exchanging words with you is time regrettably wasted.

You forgot you quoted me first and now you regret quoting wrong dude

Your want me to say what pleases you?. No way buddy . I am the realest.

You got your tail btw your legs now, and shiver like a wet wounded duck

sapientia:
Former head of BH is Yusuf - Muslim clerics
The current head of BH is Shekau - Muslim clerics

Muslims in Nigerians have rejected their ways and actions saying it does not represent what Islam stands for which is an acceptable argument and reasoning.

But you ignorant you trying to use it for Religious Propaganda only looks like a circus clown.

Am not here to debate who if Christians or Muslims are terrorists, just to advise you to pretend that you are smart and keep quiet.

see that. Exactly what I'm saying. Bunch of hypocrites. So because of their Muslim names they are Muslims?. So why then Media and CAN also insisted that Nathernial Samuel was Muslim despite the guy affirmed his Christian faith on national TV?. Why did CAN tried so hard to cover it up?. Former CAN president caught with cash and weapons was Muslim too, abi?.

sapientia:
Since you are unintelligent clown, you will never address the points i raised

I did not see any CAN document in the trashes you posted

When i see CAN documents, i will know, even if its forged.

Only you know how you managed to be in possession of those rubbish you are passing out as CAN.

Keep fighting imaginary wars and embarrassing yourself.

Take those sheets of papers to a Muslim DPO or CP to make sure its well investigated

Thats if you want Justice and not your malicious myopic propaganda.

hahahaha see hypocrites. CAN is a group of Christian organizations in Nigeria like RCCG, Deeper life etc. That's what formed CAN. It is clearly written on top of their documents RCCG. Why are you so hypocritical buddy?. Jesus will be disappointed in you. You aren't different from other Christians who read the documents and turned the other way. Only one christian acknowledged the truth. I am not surprised by your malicious posts.

CHRISTIANs are very very stealth and sneaky. I know you people very well

sapientia:
Is that why you are obsessed with it?

Every opportunity is a chance for you to insult Christians

My only question is why?

You even suggest in your posts that BH are not Muslims but Christians

or is it a retaliation for your imaginary wars?

Its just like anyone saying that the European Crusaders were not Christians but Muslims

To make it worse, you are a very unintelligent fellow that cannot even face facts in arguments.

Its a pity and i know many Nairaland Muslims will be deeply ashamed of your antics and lies

So who are BH, MUSLIMS?. Save me your epistle and tell your judeo/christian terrorist media that is attaching Muslims to terrorists everytime something happened even when Nathernial Samuel was caught they still claimed he was Muslim.

CHRISTIANs and tricks are 5/6.

sapientia:
You are a chronic Hypocrite

You have no single right to advocate for Muslim rights

Leave it for people that respect other religions

I know your type. You should either address your CAN terrorist association or get the heck out of my thread.

I provided evidences of their mischievous way but you hypocritically ignored and shifted goalpost. Address the topic or leave. You are not in the right position to tell me which muslim is good or bad. This is just one of your many tricks. I have studied you people in and out. Your tricks are top notch

sapientia:
You are a chronic Hypocrite

You have no single right to advocate for Muslim rights

Leave it for people that respect other religions

Just went through some of your posts and noticed that you keep fighting imaginary wars with Christians

You cant even answer most Muslim questions without first comparing to how same is better than Christianity.

I have worked with and stayed with many Muslims and i still have nothing but absolute respect for how they treat their fellow human beings.

But you Empi.ree is not a true Muslim

You are the ones causing bad names for Muslims all over the world

You can easily be brainwashed into being a lethal Terrorist if you are not one already.

Have seen few Muslims who I know other Muslims will never be proud of and you Emp.iree is worse than them.

Wake up

yes Islam is better than christianity. Do you have anything else to say?

Guy, please take your Jesus sermon to hell hole. Is this the right time to talk this shit?. Jesus did not exist. The letter J only came into being some 600 yrs ago while the one you called "Jesus" existed over 1 thousand years before that. Ajimobi was muslim and may Allah forgive him. He was not perfect but as muslim we have right to mourn and sympathise with his family.

Again, this is a grave warning to muslims that are marrying christians especially in nigeria. It is worst mistake muslims make in that country. So letter J does not exist in Aramaic or semantic language. Jesus is fabricated name. So if Jesus was not his name why are you telling us to accept "Jesus". Ajimobi believed in One Supreme God as far as I know. If that's not enough for you, then OYO lo wa ooo

Righteousness89:
Condolences to His Family!

Mr. Ajimobi is gone forever..

He is gone to give Account of his acts on Earth..

I just hope somehow, somewhere, somebody listened to us and led him to JESUS Christ like we kept announcing..

Like we always say, There is no big deal in death! As no one really dies! We only switch to the main part if life. The Forever and Ever realm

The Koko of the Matter is Who did you Accept and Believe before you left..

With JESUS, it is Sweet! Gracious !Glorious !Joyous! Heavenly!

Without JESUS is unfortunate! So Unfortunate!

May God Help us the Living to understand these things..

this brother loves beautiful things. Look at those lightings . Super gorgeous. What do you call this lighting design please?

Jarus:
Currently putting finishing touches

FlordFlorez:
Jesus!! Which kinda sophiscated slavery be this? Aboki life na big WA.

you guys can't post without ethnic sentiment?. Don't you have similar incidents in other part of the country?. You forgot soka in Ibadan?. You forgot White garment church in Lagos where kids were locked up?. You all need to chill with your rascist sentiment.

Terrible

gbaskiboy:
Mr Reno Omokri the former aide to ex- president GoodLuck Jonathan. I always follow his daily nuggets on facebook and on twitter. Bbut i found this one so interesting. Fellow nairalands what do you think about his post about wedding?




https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10221928792306229&id=1152008079



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10221929878893393&id=1152008079

POINT OF CORRECTION:

They brainwashed African Christians.

Not Africans

Muslims have their simple scriptural recommended nikkah which majority still follow.

AgentNairaland:
CAN Is Now Terrorist Group This Is Wonderful CAN Must Shout allahu akbar, Fight For Islam And Defend allah Since They're Now Terrorist Group Some People Are Just Too Funny On This Forum

so shouting "Allah Akbar" makes one a terrorist, right?. This is stereotype.

Op, see what I'm saying.

Subduer:
An al taqya lie. No one is mandated to kill for Christ Jesus. IMPOSSIBLE. Publish it, or provide link.

click on my profile, click on the first thread and read everything including NL link(s) there

Kenplay:
With my personal

When I see poor people dying of hungry in a country which have the capacity to be the global industrial hub I know we have throw away common sense, Nigeria biggest investment to South Africa is Religious buildings (Church) while here in Nigeria the South Africans brought us MTN, DSTV, SHOP RITE e.t.c which employs thousands of people and gives profit to our Investors inventing in the stocks and shares of those companies I realise religion is lack of common sense.

It is as clear as daylight that christianity played huge role in calamities that befall Nigeria. It is glaring everyday.

It's all started in the 70s when Christians refused interest free loan from OIC - Organization of Islamic Conference and opted for IMF interest based loan which is still being paid till date. All because of hatred and jealousy for Islam, they got Nigeria in this mad mess.

They did this all because they wanted to make Nigeria a Christian country. I am so glad reading this piece. They have nothing to offer but to export rubbish. To make matter worse, Obasanjo built Abuja national church at the expense of Nigeria GDP that cost billions of naira. But Abuja Central mosque was built by donated money.

Your father paid IMF debt. You are paying it and your children and grandchildren will continue to pay it directly or indirectly. This is why Nigeria will never be great again

Welcome to neoslavery.

See what I'm talking about

https://www.nairaland.com/5936339/uk-group-raises-alarm-over#90830233

See the headline. Foreign govts are part of Nigeria's problem. They are fuelling conflicts in the country but some local idiots support them. Abeg, do those "Christians" write "I am Christian" in their forehead?

YorubaKinging:
But more Muslims are killed every day

This is mere propangada

don't mind them. They have agenda. Go and read CHRISTIAN MANIFESTO in Nigeria calling for death and destruction of Muslims and their leaders in the 90s

IMAliyu:
No, they are no different in that they want someone that doesn't hold their belief to die because of it.

Good. And to back my stance, please visit my profile and read Christian Association of Nigerian terror manual. Note that this is a registered and recognised organisation in the country and not just christians but christian authority. But the later is not muslim authority.

They believe in that there is no god, but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger.



They claim to be Muslim and fight in the name of Islam and Allah. I can't read minds to say they are otherwise.

As for this, then you are very wrong sir to conclude they are muslims...they are not.

Do you have any idea the number of christian trained arabic speakers?. If you think this is a conspiracy, just give me time to dig up videos of christian fluently read Quran. Also, are you aware of recent hullabaloo going on in yorubaland right now, where a traditional worshiper, a woman, fully dressed like muslim woman while advertising her traditional beliefs contrary to Islam?. But if you see her outside you have would have greeted her "salaam alaikum" and she would sufficiently replied you accordingly. Is such still a muslim to you?.

Please visit facebook and look for this woman in the attached pictures. She was caught some days ago and her fellow traditionalists have now condenmed her. She hides under hijab to perpetrate beliefs contrary to islam. So brother, please be very careful before you call muslims terrorists.

Also an audio surfaced few days ago of a christian man speaking arabic and reciting Quran to confused muslims in Ibadan and nigeria altogether, that "Quran actually affirmed Jesus is God". He is a yoruba man. He preached this nonsense to confused nominal muslims. Also during a debate btw a muslim and christian at RCCG, christian apologist fluently read the Quran during his counterargument. So are these people also muslims just because they can read and speak arabic?. Please answer this.


Finally, BH is organisation created by God knows who but there is no muslim authority in nigeria in support of them and there is no muslim authority in nigeria that funds the group. But CAN or christian association of nigeria is a registered terrorist group calling for death and destruction of muslims in the country and also funded nationally and internationally.

Please visit my profile and read their evil manifesto. Thank you

IMAliyu:
https://www.nairaland.com/5931123/shekau-allah-said-boko-haram

I feel like this topic should be here as well.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailypost.ng/2020/06/16/boko-haram-allah-said-we-should-kill-shekaus-faction-invites-bandits-in-nigeria/

just 2 questions I want to ask you.


1. Christians who believe in quick death of Muslim leaders around the world, abeg, is there any difference between them and BH?.



2. Why do you think you are so sure 100% that BH are Muslims and what's your proof?

Apart from politicians blame game, religious leaders also played evil role. There are elements within Christian institution pushing this agenda and portray Northern Nigeria as muslim dominated area subjugating christian North. I seen this on fb propagated by White Christians. CAN, Christian Association Of Nigeria is brain behind this evil in connection with international christian organization.

You see headlines like this on facebook "Northern Nigerian Christians are being persecuted by majority muslim North. They do not allow christians to read Bible". Yet, CAN distributed 20 million Bibles recently in the North at 1000 naira per copy in connection with Open Doors USA on fb. What you need to read is CAN agenda that was published in 1994 and tell me if these people look like they are persecuted?. The thing is, they are very deceptive. They like to portray themselves as the victims in order to gain ground. In SW nigeria they would deliberately build churches and universities in muslim majority areas. This is their plan up north. They keep screaming about persecution so the world could undermine islam and muslims in their own region. The christians get funds from international community. Also many employers in nigeria that are christians would not employ you if you are muslim. You either convert to christianity or employed for entry level position even if you are more than qualified.

Please read this thread and see for yourself https://www.nairaland.com/5737607/christian-association-nigeria-violation-religious. Please try to click on the link linked to CAN manifesto.