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CodeTemplar:
OK if u are killed pray for your killers. Thanks and no vex.

ibkgab001:
Koni gba bire


Meaning that food will pass a wrong way, when many people are trying to innovate good things that will betterment the people of this country, you are shoiwning is food that looks like fowl shits

CodeTemplar:
What of those who kill you? to bless them from grave?

true2god:
Almost all the Islamic scholars I have engaged accept the hadith as sahih,

except you (who is never an Islamic scholar). You are only appealing to emotion as far as this issue is concerned.

What will Imam Bukhari or Imam muslim gain by writing an hadith which revealed Mohammed as someone having a mental issue?

If you go to youtube, there are many video where many scholars explain these scenario; some were honest with it. Your emotional appeal will never change what had been documented about your prophet for over 1300 years.

You are contradicting yourself. One time you claim an hadith is sahih if there are multiple chains of narrations, the condition which the hadith on the mental state of your prophet fulfilled. You cannot be using the 'bait and switch' strategy anytime you see what you don't like in the hadith. You gotta set a standard or reject all the hadith narration completely.

This instruction is for the sahabas while they are reciting the quran because the prophet of islam believed that satan has no power over believers (the companions inclusive). However this does not, in anyway, refute the fact that Mohammed suffered mental illness at a time. If you go through the seerah by ibn ishaq, similar issue was recorded on the mental state of your prophet. Ibn Ishaq (an arab man), Imam Bukhari (from uzbekistan) and Imam Muslim (am arab man) cannot all be wrong while your are right (a yoruba man).

Your position is your personal opinion that fully contradicted your hadith and old Islamic traditions. Seek knowledge from your scholars and stop arguing over what you cannot logically defend. This incident concerning your power was written black and white in almost all your Islamic traditions.

The hadith is not for educational but for theological purpose. It is always heartbreaking to learn an unacceptable truth concerning a man you hold in high esteem from childhood. However no matter the academic gymnastic you want to employ, the truth remains your prophet was noticed to be behave strangely by his wife and his companion.

true2god:
I don't even know the dude, but of course he is not polished enough to be a religious ambassador for Islam. All I see is a hustler who try to make a name for himself since religious marketing is one of the most profitable enterprise, and especially when a Muslim makes attacking the bible a trade. The story, in the mouth of Muslim apologist, is always sweet especially when attacking the beliefs of the Christians. My thinking was that he did a comprehensive teaching on the history of kaabba, traceable to Abrahim and Ishmael, using Islamic, secular and anthropological evidences to buttress his point. This is what he never did hence I can only take him as a charlatan. Besides, I don't know whether the facebook video is a lecture or a 'showmanship' to advertise himself and his travel experience to his gullible audience because the whole stuff was poorly organized and at the end of the day cannot be said to achieve any objective as side from fans 'hallowing' him along. If this is the best Yoruba muslims can produce then it shows the level of our intellectual capability as a people.

CAVEAT: DO NOT FORWARD A STUPID VIDEO AGAIN.

true2god:
This guy is talking like Wasiu Ayinde who, while singing, will tell us stories of how he eat indomie in ontario, then travel to ottawa, from then move to montreal. He is typical local Yoruba man complaining of how much he spent on roaming, complain about IMO, complain about inability of watsapp call, and how he went from dubai to saudi. You are not serious for referring me to this link to waste my data. He is even speaking like a polished NURTW Yoruba thug. FYA, we have millions of educated and polished Yoruba people that I respect but this guy is a tout in the name of Islam.

true2god:
What scholarship and authority do you have in Islamic theology to determine which hadith should be dismissed and which is to be accepted? You are not a scholar and have no authority in Islam. What about the Sirah that said your prophet was tormented with evil jinn during his childhood? Demonic oppression had been associated with your prophet from childhood to adulthood:

Narrated 'Aisha:
that Allah's Apostle was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy) ...
Narrated Hisham's father: 'Aisha said, "Allah's Apostle was bewitched, so he invoked Allah REPEATEDLY requesting Him to cure him from that magic)." Hisham then narrated the above narration. (See Hadith No. 658, Vol. 7) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400).

Mohammed's childhood according to seerah rasool allah (by ibn Ishaq page 71-72):
"Some months after our return he and his brother were with our lambs behind the tents when his brother came running and said to us, ‘Two men clothed in white have seized that Qurayshi brother of mine and thrown him down and opened up his belly, and are stirring him up.’ We ran towards him and found him standing up with a livid face. We took hold of him and asked him what was the matter. He said, ‘Two men with white raiment came and threw me down and opened up my belly and searched therein for I know not what,’ so we took him back to our tent.
His father said to me, ‘I am afraid that this child has had a stroke, so take him back to his family before the result appears.’ So we picked him up and took him to his mother who asked why we had brought him when I had been anxious for his welfare and desirous of keeping him with me. I said to her, ‘God has let my son live so far and I have done my duty. I am afraid that ill will befall him, so I have brought him back to you as you wished.’ She asked me what happened and gave me no peace until I told her. When she asked if I feared a demon possessed him, I replied THAT I DID. She answered that no demon had any power over her son who had a great future before him, and then she told me how when she was pregnant with him a light went out from her which illumined the castles of Busra and Syria, …"

So Mohammed's encounter with demonic entities, including the false angel jibril is not new. His wife and waraqa only mistook the demon for an angel, at the cave of Hirah.

budaatum:
A reminder.

true2god:
Which trick are you talking about? It seems you have fully lost confidence in your hadith. If you disregard the hadith you devalue islam.

Questionable hadith is subjective. To some it is authentic, while to others they are fabricated. It depends on the camp you follow.

Banned4truths:
OK thanks God bless nairaland!

ONE GOD! ONE LOVE....

Emp.iree I am free let's continue...what can you say about questions no. 2 below? All the answers I got from you were mixed up sir,can't get any single thing only few.....just attempt it again pls

true2god:
They are the deeds and actions of your prophet which make up the sunnah. The sayings and actions of your prophet are considered a standard for all Muslims to follow and you cannot discount the hadith because it was narrated that your prophet was mentally unstable at a point in time. This should be a cause for concern instead of this denial and deflections.

The hadith is all about hearsays and gossips that are hard to authenticate and this is the foundation of modern Islam. Without these hadith, or hearsays by a 'so so' companion quoting another 'so so' companion, Islam has no doctrine to stand on. You have to accept this reality and move on, this is ISLAM 101.

true2god:
Why are you calling the biblical Baca Mecca? You are being intellectually dishonest by making this wrong equivalence.

cassidy1996:
good, it can't survive in Nigeria. na Dangote truck go crush am....

true2god:
You may not like to hear that your lovely prophet was affected by black magic but that is the truth. The people that lived with him, like Aisha, said he was afflicted with black magic, both in sahih Bukhari and sahih muslim, and you are here arguing unnecessarily. Even sirah rasool allah confirmed that he was also afflicted with jinn of foul spirit, during his childhood but you are here arguing and denying the testimonies of the sahabas. Do you know more than mohammed's companions and his wife Aisha?

Don't accuse me falsely; all my points are from the hadith and I didnt compile or write the hadith, nor did any Nigerian did. If you find any issue about your prophet very embarrassing and disturbing, open your mind and see the truth. Your attempt at writing off the narrations in the hadith concerning the mental state of your prophet is dead on arrival; it is no longer a secret that your prophet had a mental issue during his lifetime. Accept this simple fact and move on.

true2god:
Baca is not only Mecca but Barcelona. The same supposedly corrupt book Muslims will be scanning to find Mohammed and Mecca in it; this is pure comedy and confusion. Psalm 84:1-end has nothing to do with the head office of idol worship, Mecca. Stop following Zakir Naik in his ignorance who also 'discovered' Mohammed in the song of solomon.

LadunaI:
^^^ empiree
Ok I will try and watch it. Wow is long he died, and he look like contemporary scholar.

drips8:
Business is booming for the saudis

Engqj:
I need help

My mum need 12m naira for kidney transplant.
She is being on dialysis for close to two years now.

She is a mother of one. It's on punch and daily trust newspaper you can Google if you doubt me I have also share her video on YouTube too. Just google her name thanks

We got 1m naira from my state governor Mr. Obaseki and another 1m naira from my church though we are spending a lot on dialysis and treatment.

Thanks

Banned4truths:
The problem now is; I can't do anything with the account again, not even mailing a MOD.......bt sha let me see after 1-2 days.

Banned4truths:
OK wooo....so how have you been recovering your account??


And concerning my intentions... Read me well I didn't/ and will not insult any religion. But discuss/ ask questions and let everybody see for his self......(because I was banned before, I concluded that its the same people that banned me again -that why i sounded that way)...........Read my comments where did I say negative things? Neither you too.....if it sound hash/biased I apologize!

Banned4truths:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh

THE TRUTH MUST BE OUT!!
I was just completely banned I can't do anything again! I just open this account now..

1-what have I said wrong, my dear empiree, and butaadum that your brothers banned me??

2-i feel honored to be banned for telling/discusing the truth

3-if they can try me, let them allow me now AND SEE WONDERS..hahahahahahahah ..empiree and butaadum you see your religion?

4-i will/ can created 50 accounts, SAY WHAT I WANT TO.at least before they will banned 50 accounts I would say much.........how many seconds it takes to open account

5- so my dear friends empiree and dutaanum I can't continue because I was banned..... This is a new account. Very soon sef DEY GO BAN AM lol

WITH TEARS IN MY EYES! I beg whosoever banned me to please allow me....help me beg him na empi.ree !!!

Truth is biter woooooo.............

Informer155:
I ASKED THIS QUESTION

Q2


**The stories I read in Quran about the prophets(thousands years before prophet Mohammad) e.g Noah,John,Zacharias, Mary,Jesus ,Abraham etc are far DIFFERENT compared to the ones in the Bible.

Example: the birth of JOHN

قَالَ رَبِّ اجْعَل لِّىٓ ءَايَةً  ۚ قَالَ ءَايَتُكَ أَلَّا تُكَلِّمَ النَّاسَ ثَلٰثَ لَيَالٍ سَوِيًّا
"[Zechariah] said, My Lord, make for me a sign. He said, Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three nights, [being] sound."
Maryam 19: 10

"And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season." Luke1:20

*The birth of Jesus*

MARYAM 19:22-30

فَحَمَلَتْهُ فَانْتَبَذَتْ بِهِۦ مَكَانًا قَصِيًّا
"So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.

فَأَجَآءَهَا الْمَخَاضُ إِلٰى جِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يٰلَيْتَنِى مِتُّ قَبْلَ هٰذَا وَكُنْتُ نَسْيًا مَّنْسِيًّا
"And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten.
"But he called her from below her, Do not grieve; your Lord has provided beneath you a stream.
"And shake toward you the trunk of the palm tree; it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates.
"So eat and drink and be contented. And if you see from among humanity anyone, say, 'Indeed, I have vowed to the Most Merciful abstention, so I will not speak today to [any] man.
"Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.
"O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste.
"So she pointed to him. They said, How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?
"[Jesus] said, Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet."

LUKE 2:1-18

. [8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall bee.

Informer155:
Ah ah oga don't deviate na.......we are talking about the stories in the two Holy books Qur'an and Bible, your brother butaahum is even helping you to answe lol

.read your comments again....we are talking about two stories, so your comment and your brother butaahum is the same ...............anytime my phone can be down now.BT tomorrow is another day.

Empiree:
Now you are professional literalist. Are you telling me that God threw down Holy Books from heavens to His prophets and messangers and these men looked up to the heavens to catch it?

You are funny man. Sahih International used "choice of words". Check others like Yusuf Ali, he used the phrase "Book". Shakir used "scripture". Khan also used "Book". If you think God sent down paper Books from heavens, then you would believe Cow jumped from the moon too. You are so amazing bro

true2god:
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Facebook page/post cannot be used as religious authority. Nowhere in christian or jewish theology is marwa and tarfa, kissing the idolatrous black stone, stoning an imaginary devil in mecca, etc is condoned. This practices are considered idolatrous, which the herbalist you made reference to rightly identified.