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Autos › Re: N1,200,000 or Less Tokunbo Cars by Empiree: 7:04pm On Jul 31, 2019

This sounds like common business sarauta. It doesn't suggest fraudulent activities. If you dont receive your goods at all and no money refunded, then i have problems with that. I do thank you very much for bringing this up. Hope Amdman would rectify whatever the problem is.

Remember, customers always right *wink*

codedcliq:
The time I thought I will comment on this post is when I have received my car from Amdman. However, recent happenings have necessitated this post.

Preamble:
I contacted Amdman concerning one of the cars he posted. Total amount (inclusive of clearing) he posted was N1.1m. I made a payment of N800k to him so he can purchase and ship. Days later, he told me the car owner is no longer willing to sell so he had to source for another. No wahala. He got one with total amount (inclusive of clearing) as N1.25m. My downpayment was still witihin 60-70% of the total cost so all was fine. He sent pictures and videos to me and posted same here. All good.

Weeks later, I contacted him to send me a scanned copy of the original bill of lading. Please note scanned copy as I wasn't expecting him to courier the original to me since I am not the one clearing. First he said it wasn't ready, then later he said he will send a part of the original. After a couple of weeks, he send he can only send the Draft Bill of Lading. When I asked why he can't just scan the original Bill of Lading with his phone and send to me, below was his response verbatim

"The amount of bad press that will be generated against us if anything goes wrong with anyone’s car is not something we are willing to risk"

How sending a scanned copy of transport document will make anything go wrong with someone's car is what I am still trying to undestand. I have been working with shipping documents for almost 10years now so there is no risk he wants to claim that I don't know of. You can only clear your car at the Seaport if you have the original Bill of Lading and evidence to show you are the one it was consigned to. Any clearing agent here is free to counter this.

Two reasons I requested for the scanned Bill of Lading
1. To apply for car financing - since I am pre-ordering the car, it is one of the required documents
2. To be able to indepently verify that actual shipment took place using the International Maritime Bureau portal

He eventually sent the draft bill of lading which didn't qualify for the intended purpose. Still I moved on.

Later, he sent the tracking details of the vessel / shipment to me. As at this moment, tracking details he sent is still showing that Vessel will likely arrive today, not that it has arrived.
He chatted me up days ago that the ship has berthed and I should pay the balance of 450k. No wahala. I told him to send the contact of the clearing agent so I can make arrangement to have him deliver the car to my place. Let me state here that on the Invoice he sent, two conditions stood out:

1. Pick up at Lagos port
2. 2nd payment due after confirmation of vehicle purchase

The Pick up at Lagos port is not something I am comfortable with. This was not communicated until I made the advance payment. His post here after he decided to be handling the clearing cost was - "buying, shipping and clearing" - not that the buyer will still have to go the port to pick up the car.

Still I was ready to proceed but I told him I will rather the Agent delivers the car to my place so he should send his number let me liaise with him. Next thing he told me is quoted verbatim below:

"Depending on your location, that can range from 20k to 50k"

So I have to tell him facts and any clearing agent here is free to counter. If I pay a clearing agent to clear my car in Lagos ports, I expect him to deliver the car to my place (they already calculate these costs in the fees they charge). If I am outside Lagos, he is free to negotiate additional cost with me for delivery. Why will I have to go to the port to pick up a car when I am paying for clearing? I can as well just get another clearing agent to do the clearing for me then. Imagine driving a non-registered car when I am not a car dealer or clearing agent and you are stopped by the police. Nigeria police do not respect the 90days grace period. That's why we have clearing agents for this.

He started threatening me with demurrage fees. Hello, you've been the one providing all the information. I can't run an independent check because you refused to provide a scanned copy of the transport document. The draft Bill of Lading you sent shows the shipping line Hapag-Lloyd gives 21 days free demurrage (which was clearly stated on the draft you yourself sent). So even if the claim by you that the vessel is in Tincan is true, it is after 21days that demurrage will start counting.

He is yet to provide the contact of the clearing agent but he wants me to pay 100%, leave my work and go to the port to wait for car to come out.

The tracking details he sent shows vessel is not yet at Tincan but he claims otherwise.

Amdman, I am willing to pay the balance right now, that is not an issue. However, I need to:
1. Independently confirm that the shipment took place and vessel has arrived. You can get your clearing agent to come here and confirm this or you provide me with a scanned copy of the original bill of lading
2. I won't leave my work to come to the port to pick up a car and I can't & won't pay "20k to 50k" for a distance of less than 15km from the port to my place.

I still believe Amdman is legit and these things are just business issues that can be resolved. I won't have brought this here if he has shown some flexibility because I even told him I may have to bring it public and he said I should go ahead. So fellow buyers, please if I am the one that is being unreasonable, kindly let me know. I am not a rigid person. Though I believe it doesn't make sense for one to pay for clearing fees and still have to go to the port to pick up an unregistered car to drive home.

Cc: deepwater

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 6:32pm On Jul 31, 2019

sagenaija:
You twist and turn things at will. When you think it will serve your purpose, you'll claim that Koran is the only authority. When Koran alone will not serve your purpose, you'll run to the hadith. You therefore make statements without clearly considering the implications of such statements. If Koran is the ONLY authority, then it simply means there is no recourse to ANY other "authority". ONLY means - alone; without any other.

But we ALL KNOW that Moslems DO NOT rely ONLY on the Koran. Herein lies the hypocrisy of Islam and Moslems. At the end of the day ANYTHING goes in Islam. Koran, hadith, mysticism - name it, are all found inside the cesspool of Islam.

To attempt to win an argument you can claim that the Koran was whole during the lifetime of the prophet. If the next argument wouldn't fly with that you run to ' it was written on different fragments or particles which included bones'. So, like I've said over and over again - islam speaks ALWAYS from both sides of the mouth.

A simple question to debunk you is this:
Do you not have things in the hadith that are not in the Koran which Moslems practice today?

Now on Islam reverting to being something strange, and retreating between the two Masajid:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Haraira that the messenger of Allah said:
Islam initiated as something strange, and it would revert to its (old position) of being strange, so good tidings for the stranger.
“Islam began among a few individuals, then it spread and prevailed, then it will reduce in numbers until there are only a few left, as it was in the beginning”

In Sharh Saheeh Muslim, Al-Nawawi quoted al-Qadi’Iyad as saying concerning the meaning of this hadeeth. It says in Fatawa al-Lajnah al-Daimah, 2/170
The meaning of this hadeeth is that Islam began as something strange, when the messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) called people to Islam, but no one responded except a few here and there. At that time it was something strange because its people were like strangers amongst others and they were few in numbers and strength of their enemies who persecuted the Muslims … ….
The Islamic state was established and Islam spread … …
So the enemies of Islam found a way in and they colonized their lands, humiliated their people and treated them badly. This is the way in which Islam returned to being strange as it was in the beginning.

See these for confirmation:
http://sunnah.com/muslim/1/279
http://islamqa.info/en/45855

Now,who's the clown, Empir.ee?

Deaf, dumb and blind. Quran is the only authority and hadith will forever be considered in as much it is in harmony with it. No difference here.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 5:41pm On Jul 31, 2019

true2god:
Do you still believe that there is only 1 version of the quran? Do you still believe that there are no changes in the quran and the quran is still the same as Mohammed dictated it to his sahabas? Do you still believe that there are no ayah missing in the quran? Do you still believe that that surah alfathiha is part of the 7th century quran? If you do, you have been scammed by the Arabs.

after you can't refute the fact that muslims are the majority you retorted to this. We read same Quran worldwide

Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 4:00pm On Jul 31, 2019

true2god:
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You said Islam dominate Nigeria, how? Your claim can be right if you say Islam dominate the core Northern states of Nigeria, being occupied by the Fulanis and the Hausas. You are talking as if you grow up in Ghana.

as you can see muslim dominated core north and hover SW/SE

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 3:56pm On Jul 31, 2019

true2god:
I am not concerned to establish which religion is the largest in Nigeria but the truth. If Islam is the largest religion in Nigeria it makes no difference in the current socio-political order. I am only interested in the truth .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 2:34pm On Jul 31, 2019

true2god:
I am not interested in the body or organization that makes the claim but the source of the data used to reach the conclusion. A simple research methodology requires a data to draw an inference which CIA never did or never had. If you can provide the source data CIA used it will be better.

but why are you concern now after you already claimed population doesn't matter or not a proof?. Why are you now struggling to establish accurate data?. Take your protest to cia field office WosinTon cheesy

Islam dominates in Nigeria, period.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 2:03pm On Jul 31, 2019

true2god:
Why are you talking as if you are not a true muslims? Haven't you heard of the Hafs, warsh, doori, etc quran? These are variants arabic qurans with differences. I have educated you on this before.

if you think I'm going back to this you must be in Disneyland

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 2:01pm On Jul 31, 2019*

My question is, why are you being dishonest?. It is not news to muslims and non-muslims that Hadith is secondary source of information in Islam. And you are well aware Hadith contains valid information and fake ones.

true2god:
I quoted sahih bukhari and sunnah ibn majjah and you said they are 'fabricated and controversial stuff'. So you are aware that your hadith is filled with 'fabricated and controversial stuff' but yet you keep quoting it to validate you points. This is called HYPOCRISY. Islam is filled with 'bait and switch' strategy, depending on the circumstance a muslim find himself. It is intellectually dishonest to validate an argument using a particular book, when it suits you, and call same book 'fabricated and controversial stuff'.

Again, chain of narrations is Hadith did not link to the holy prophet Muhammad (saw). This alone makes the Hadith questionable.

All versions of the hadith are based on the following chain of narrators:

‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). The isnaad ends with her and does not go back to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah upon him).

The hadith was taken from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr by a number of narrators and their narrations are as follows:

1.

It was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari. His version says: It was revealed in the Qur’an that ten definite breastfeedings are required (to establish the relationship of mahram), then it was also revealed that five definite breastfeedings are required.

This was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 1452) and others. We may note that this version does not say anything about the story of the goat or tame sheep eating any of the pages of the Holy Qur’an.

2.

It was narrated by Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him). His version says: Among that which was revealed of the Qur’an was the ruling that those ten definite breastfeedings are required to establish the relationship of mahram, then that was abrogated and replaced with five definite breastfeedings. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr also does not include any mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating anything of the Mus-haf. Rather one sentence is added to it at the end: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

3.

The third version of the story, without wasting my time posting it says, it is odd and in conflict with the first two above. So scholars considered weak or fabricated. Here is nothing like a goat or sheep came in and are part of Quran. Load of crap

if you can condemn your own hadith as being 'fabricated and controversial stuff', what legitimacy does Islam has as a true religion? Over 80% of Islamic teachings, laws and practices are in the hadith and not the quran. Thid should give you a course for concern.

All major practices in Islam and rulings are mentioned in the Qur'an and elaborated by Hadith. Which means the first source of Islam Quran sits in judgement over Hadith. Hadith is subordinate and no matter how controversial is can be it is far more better times 100 over Bible. I know this is what's really paining you. Kpele undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 1:33pm On Jul 31, 2019

true2god:
I have no time going back and forth on a statistic provided by the america's CIA. The fact is that religion is not included in our national census so I wonder where CIA get their estimated figure from. As I said earlier, it is a subjective conclusion that the demographics of Nigeria's religious affiliation is 50% (Muslims), 40% (Christians) and 10% (others). There is no any available data to validate this claim.

Story story... But if this data was attributed to muslim authority you would be different.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 10:20am On Jul 31, 2019

true2god:
So by your logic the higher the population the more real Islam is? This logic does not make sense.

good news is you didn't dispute this fact. If it doesn't make sense then tell us which of the many CHRISTIANITIES is correct according to Jesus?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 10:17am On Jul 31, 2019*

true2god:
Who guarded it, you or allah? Your Islamic source document always proove you wrong.

(Goat ate a copy of the quran)
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed1, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it (sunnah ibn Majjah 1944)

(verses of the quran cancelled)
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
For thirty days Allah's Apostle invoked Allah to curse those who had killed the companions of Bir-Mauna;
he invoked evil upon the tribes of Ral, Dhakwan, and Usaiya who disobeyed Allah and His Apostle. There was reveled about those who were killed at Bir-Mauna a Quranic Verse we used to recite, but it was cancelled later on. The Verse was: Inform our people that we have met our Lord. He is pleased with us and He has made us pleased.(sahih bukari 4:52:69).

Narrated Tawus:
Ibn 'Abbas said, "Allah's Apostle set out from Medina to Mecca and he fasted till he reached 'Usfan, where he asked for water and raised his hand to let the people see him, and then broke the fast, and did not fast after that till he reached Mecca, and that happened in Ramadan." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "Allah's Apostle (sometimes) fasted and (sometimes) did not fast during the journeys so whoever wished to fast could fast, and whoever wished not to fast, could do so."

Narrated Nafi:
Ibn 'Umar recited the verse: They had a choice either to fast or to feed a poor person for every day, and said that the order of this Verse was cancelled.(sahih bukhari 3:31:169-170).

You claimed that your quran is 'perfectly preserved' but your hadith says otherwise. Who do I believe, you or your Islamic source documents? If you want more proves that your quran is not complete, i will do that for free.

you like quoting fabricated and controversial stuff. Quran is the only authority. If Quran is saying A and Hadith is saying B, which do we believe?. Our methodology is we use Quran if hadith conflicts with it. Hadith can never sit in judgement over Quran laelae. So this are just stories written by people who had selfish interest. They would fabricate Hadith and claimed a companion or wife of prophet said it to make it sound reputable. What a load of crap!

This is how you know it is fabricated. Look at the first which claimed goat ate copy of Quran . Which paper? Paper did not even exist. Quran was written on different fragments or particles which included bones. Paper was not one of them. Goat don't eat bones. Besides this story did not trace back to the prophet himself. And according to Bible, no one can tell story better except oneself. So only prophet muhammad (saw) could validate this but he didn't say anything about it.

Your Bible says in John 8:18 King James Version (KJV)

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Which means only Allaah and prophet could validate this fake story but they didn't. So it is fake story. Not only that but the rest. I know how evangelical Christians work. They love to quote trash.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 8:21pm On Jul 30, 2019

Jesus on the next available transit to heaven.

See how CHRISTIANs blasphemed their "Lord and savior" and a local champion is here talking trash about Islam

Crime › Re: Oro Worshippers Invade Mosque In Ogun, Attack Imam, Congregation by Empiree: 2:55pm On Jul 30, 2019

AbuuBilaal:
Many of those Oro worshippers will have Muslim names. Perhaps some of them have gone for Hajj.

Although many Yorubas claim to have accepted Islam, the fact is that only a few have completely left their idolatry.

Rather, the official religion of virtually all Yoruba societies is idolatry.

Now you know why the typical northerner doesn't reckon with the Islam of a Yoruba man.

I once travelled to Owerri and to be candid, the Igbo Muslims are more sincere about their Islam than the Yoruba Muslim.

very sad. These are not muslim. They openly declared their other beliefs. Whether they have muslims name or not is irrelevant. It had always been the case for donkey years. You would hear Buraimo(Ibrahim), Muraina(Imran) and so on.

Despite dawah for decades in Yorubaland they are very stubborn. As sheikh Akindele rightly said, if Filipino visit Hajj they usually revert to Islam. But if Yoruba man goes to Hajj he returns home and retains his kufr beliefs. Well, they have the right to practice their religion but if it has to disturb or conflict other citizens it must be banned from holding public possession.

The muslims just need to be firm and have very strong cooperation to deal with them just like the time of Alfa Apalara in 1955. Otherwise, these oloro people will kill muslims and get away with it as usual. Looks like they are making comeback and getting bold recently. In the 80s and early 90s Muslims kicked them in the butt. They were so afraid of Islam.

Crime › Re: Emma Aispuro Coronel, El Chapo Wife On Vacation In Venice, Husband Rots In Jail by Empiree: 1:40pm On Jul 30, 2019

Sydney17:
No matter how strong a man is, there is a certain lady that has his password! If u think i lied, ask Samson that lose guard to Delilah, or asks even David that killed because of toto! Enjoy my queen, it's the ladies World Afterall, WOMEN! the only creature to have seen and talked to Devil's face to face! Whatever they discussed, we no even know the details, she only tells Adams about Apple! What do i know sef

you funny

Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 1:47am On Jul 30, 2019*

sagenaija:
NPComplete

Come carry your load na.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 8:34pm On Jul 29, 2019

Amujale:
All Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counter intuitive.

The Abrahamic text are silent weapons of mass destruction.

The sooner continentals get rid of all the liars and fakers and make way for a better world.

Abrahamic religious text have no real significamce towards real history

Theres only one Abrahimic religious character that history books acknowledge that may have exist, he was said to be leader of a medieval rebel special force unit, yet, that proves that he is fake.

The early Islamic scholars that invented their muhammedian movement, did so, in order to escape domination from Rome.

There are no characters in Abrahamic text that can claim to be original; if they wasnt stolen, they was plagerised, sex-up or outrightly fabricated.

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Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 1:34pm On Jul 29, 2019

Mustsucceed:
Brother,I have sent a mail to you

seen and replied

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 9:34am On Jul 29, 2019

Mustsucceed:
Salam alaykum please I need to ask you a questionn can I send you a mail?

walaikum salaam. Sure

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:59am On Jul 29, 2019

LadunaI:
@bolded I think that's main issue here. May Allah continue to GUIDE us Amin.

I am still coming for the second part (khalwa), in Sha Allah.

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Politics › Re: Nigeria And Germany Sign The 11,000mw Roadmap Deal To Improve Electricity - APC by Empiree: 3:58am On Jul 29, 2019

ElsonMorali:
afofun. mo ro wipe oo ni laakaye oro siso. oo je pada lo sile ki o lo gbeko.

I'm sorry about that

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Politics › Re: Nigeria And Germany Sign The 11,000mw Roadmap Deal To Improve Electricity - APC by Empiree: 11:41pm On Jul 28, 2019*

OmoOshodi:
Cheap scam..... Where is Nigeria Air

APC and scam are going to next level

Yahoo yahoo Government

guy, it is not about politics. Please grow up. Apc, pdp and all other 3 letter political parties are the same. When you criticized one party this is exactly what politicians want by pitching you against one another. They are all guilty whether APC or PDP. Stop playing politics. You guys are part of Nigeria problems. Why do you think that pdp would have done better if they won recent election?. Were they not in power for 16 yrs?.

I am not in support of all these signings here and there that they have been doing for decades with no reasonable outcome. It is Nigerian govt that is subservient to White supremacy. Why would so called giant of Africa rely on foreign country to fix her electricity problems. Aren't there qualified people in the country?. Isn't enough money to get this electricity problems done decades ago?. If anyone thinks this foreign countries would help Nigeria get over her problems must be in Disney world. This is not about being negative. This is about reality. So these things you were taught from secondary School to masters level. Yet you are not allowed to put what you learned into practice. Instead they invested huge money on foreign nations to help their causes. These foreign countries scam Nigeria through these sham deals.

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Politics › Re: Nigeria And Germany Sign The 11,000mw Roadmap Deal To Improve Electricity - APC by Empiree: 11:10pm On Jul 28, 2019

ElsonMorali:
Indeed we have failed as a country and Nigeria has failed the African continent. Other African countries are supposed to ask Nigeria to come and help them fix their power situation, but here we are. A black man, hardly able to govern himself. The electricity grid we are using today was mainly bequeathed to us by Britain our colonial masters, another European country, with little additions over the years. Shame.

very shameful

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Politics › Re: Nigeria And Germany Sign The 11,000mw Roadmap Deal To Improve Electricity - APC by Empiree: 8:13pm On Jul 28, 2019*

ElsonMorali:
Won't it better if Germany comes to colonize Nigeria for another 300 years?

Romance › Re: Man Curses His Oyinbo Girlfriend In Igbo, Gives Her Wrong Translation by Empiree: 4:40pm On Jul 28, 2019

ibkayee:
Does Oyinbo not mean white person anymore?

you seen that too grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Melody Adjija Exposed And Arrested Over Fake Miracle (Video, Photos) by Empiree: 4:27pm On Jul 28, 2019*

He's not popular enough. Track down TB Joshua, Oyedepo, Daddy GO, all those pastors bearing Chris etc

CHRISTIANITY is just one of the many Africa's problems

WarriAproko:
A Popular Pastor In Warri know as Prophet Melody Expose

This guy have been deceiving people. The video was leaked from calabar dpo eyo phone which has already gone viral...more prophet to be soon. This church is at enerhen road, effurun. know as Light way ministry . So many homes have been destroyed cus of this fake prophets .see Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sCije-Q5Ww

He confessed to pay people 5k for fake miracle

https://politicsnigeria.com/popular-nigerian-pastor-arrested-for-fraud-fake-miracles/

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Christianity Etc › Re: Prophet Melody Adjija Exposed And Arrested Over Fake Miracle (Video, Photos) by Empiree: 3:56pm On Jul 28, 2019

Grace001:
Police be careful touch not his anointed ... Someone can’t create employment for himself again. why can’t you leave him and let God be the judge, after all his gullible zombie members that is paying the 10% tithe are not complaining in fact some are going to make it 20% because they know they are not giving it to their daddy prophet but to God in heaven.

They just spoil business for this man now, just relocate and go to another state.

the very reason Nigeria is in dipshit when someone things like this embarassed

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 8:36pm On Jul 27, 2019

LadunaI:
^^^ empiree
This is deep just like your reply in that other thread. But what is the nature of this calculation ? Is it in anyway related to modern mathematics like geometry, algebra etc or there's particular ancient mathematical calculation been use for such endeavor.

I think one area if research would have been to investigate some earlier prophets that have done similar activities. And to the best of knowledge I haven't come across such discuss. It would be nice knowing how this been used before.

I will download and watch the clip you send.

There are still more knowledgeable Alfas in ilorin and other places(young and old) who sincerely know this. I believe it is more ancient mathematical calculation. Many Alfa don't want to discuss this subject openly anymore due to currently trend. They just preach openly what people want to hear and what is in harmony with their level of understanding.

In order to get clarity I contacted a young Alfa I talked about earlier in this thread regarding iyepe tite and khalwa. After he finished with his explanation I said to him this is what I understood growing up as a child. I asked him why then modern Muslims simply takfir this branch of Islamic knowledge?. He said "Ife Inu coupled with aimokan" is their problem. But sometimes their objection is understandable bcuz of charlatans. So basically, ghulu on both sides are condemned.

Really, modern mathematics are logical deductions from ancient mathematical calculation. So when Nabi Muhammad (saw) said salat of the one who visited soothsayer is suspended for 40days he's referring to the first two.

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:56am On Jul 27, 2019*

LadunaI:
Interesting question actually. Can you further explain the detail how this yepe tete is been done. The closely related thing I ever read regarding this is in Sahih Muslim when Holy Prophet(saw) said that whosoever his endeavor agree with some early prophet (as) then that would be ok.

I can't recall vividly the hadith, I will have to research again and dig it out. But the aspect of it that is tantamount to fortune telling would be strongly forbidden by sharia.

JazakaAllahu Khayran. You are very correct. Read this thread if you can. Let me remind you that ikupakuti explained some details regarding fortune telling and I quoted him recently bcuz i found them interesting. He said whether it is istikhara recommended in islam or aworawo or the use of Jinn and all sorts of ayewo are fortune telling. He then analysed halal from haram. Ikupakuti was very correct.

That said, those who go against iyepe tite are either deliberately decided to confuse and misguide people or they are ignorant of the subject. Iyepe tite is not haram PROVIDED it is in line with what nabi said in Sahih Muslim. In sahih muslim nabi(SAW) was asked 2 or 3 types of fortune telling including the use of sand (iyepe tite). Answers given by nabi (SAW) for first and second forms indicate they are haram which include using Jinn. But when questioner asked about the use of sand (iyepe tite) his answer was different. So the hadith you are looking for is attached below. Also if you can, watch sheikh Al-Misr brief lecture and Q&A and someone asked him about iyepe tite. He refuted many misconstrued practices condemned by 'puritans'. Please watch if you can. You may watch iyepe tite from 1:15:00

So the expanation for iyepe tite as i knew as a child is not about looking into future or that jinn resides inside the sand and telling you future. It is absolute nonsense. Iyepe tite is old fashioned 'calculator' where they already studied numbers and possible result just like today scientists predict many thing based on calculations. That is all about iyepe tite. Nothing more. The problem is some people go a little further and turned it to something else seeking 'future'. This is what Sheikh Yahya Solati condemns in the video above when he said "ati enito teyepe ati enito lo yewo ina ni sose". But appearance and reality are opposite of each other which means if you see Mr. A drawing something on sand and Mr. B also does the same, this is appearance and it is the same. But reality is Mr. A is into hisab while Mr. B involves with unseen.

So it is irrational for any muslim to quickly condemn a muslim just bcuz you see him drawing on sand. Drawing we are talking about is written in arabic usually not "eji ogbe". They also draw Muhammad and Allah in arabic and then draw name(s) of waliy etc. This is basically tawasul. It has nothing to do with fortune telling. I grew up knowing these things. My sheikh also used tira written by medieval scholars. This tira is equivalent to modern aircraft trackers. I remembered clearly in 1995 when his first son travelled out of the country to Brussels. That time, you know technology was not as it is now and there was no cell phones. So my sheikh and his friend dug out this tira after waiting for days and heard nothing about his whereabout. It was very late night and i was nosy enough to hear their convos. So they were reading this tira and added whatever hisab they found therein. First their result showed his son was in problems but it was not clear. At this point my sheikh was scared and he couldn't even sit down. His friend consoled him and read further. Here comes sad news while reading. The tira says '....bla bla bla bla bla al maut". Of course his name was added with which they arrived at every result. When my sheikh seen the word 'maut' (death), he bursted into tears and gave up. His friend consoled him again that he is not done. They were reading this tira and at the same time had their pen and paper to document and calculate. Mhen, i cried too even though they knew not i was around snitching on them. They finally read everything and properly did the hisab and came to conclusion that there was indeed difficulties but nothing major. Just after they finished and hoped for the best, his son called (landline) that there was no problem except that he was briefly detained bcus of strange object found in his luggage. Strange object immigration officials found was eja kika ati yiyan grin

(baba ijebu thing). They wanted to investigate it. That was all.

So where is fortune telling in this?. Our modern alfas need to be careful of putting on boxing gloves with fellow muslims on subject they do not understand. You can see from the hadith it doesn't haram iyepe tite provided it is in harmony with similar narration above.

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Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 11:35pm On Jul 26, 2019

Still open for discussions

Empiree:
Salaam Alaikum,

Let's talk about "iyepe tite" and khalwa (seclusion)

Allegations:

* Iyepe tite is ebo (shirk)? What does iyepe tite entails? Is there authentic version and is there counterfeit version or it is only one version?. Does Islam approves of this?. What's your opinion?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8GbNBBAE0&t=24s

* Khalwa: it is alleged that Sheikh Ahmad Tijani(ra) was in seclusion for 40 days or 40 years. I don't know which one. Whichever it is, there is hadith which impedes this practice. The hadith criticizes whoever misses three (3) consecutive Jummah. So does Khalwa means staying in seclusion without attending jummah weekly or praying daily obligatory salat in jamaat invalidates khalwa?. Is this khalwat valid?.

* What is valid khalwa in sharia?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 10:57pm On Jul 25, 2019

Amujale:
The reason there are so many version of the Quran is the same reason there are so many version of the Christian Bible; they are both evil tools of propaganda.

there is only one version of Qur'an which is arabic Qur'an. Those different translated Qur'an are not versions but translations of the meaning of Qur'an. Those translated copies are not Qur'an.

Op is only being a clown and jealous.

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Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 10:40am On Jul 25, 2019

LyfeJennings:
To be honest. My faith in God is lost.

you first need to restore your faith. You can't be praying while already lost faith in what you are doing

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Crime › Re: White Diplomat Shoots A Nigerian Man Dead During An Argument In Abuja by Empiree: 6:10am On Jul 25, 2019

Debaiz:
Lol. Why you excuse yourself na bro. Thought you be our bro

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