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Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 12:45pm On Feb 14, 2019

true2god:
You keep calling people names and throwing jibes. I remain true2god and never created a multiple ID. Stop making a wrong assumption and building up a victimhood mentality.

And FYA, I am difficult to be influenced by anyone, including your so-called CHRISTIAN Finland base Igbo lady. I have many grey areas in Islam and I will keep saying it because no religion is perfect; human beings only create excuses for the limitations in their religion. I am a Christian and I have many christian colleagues who have turned my 'enemies' because of my non-conventional view. I am not dogmatic and don't accept any claim hook, line and sinker without any verification or appraisal of a claim. I am not leaning towards atheism either because of my small experience in the power of the supernatural after much prayer and fasting.

Thank you!

I am actually praising you indirectly. So slow down. And yes, you never changed your moniker but your character did change at some point during ifeann era.

Gray areas you are concerned about are usually in connection with muslims not Islam itself. But Christianity as a religion is very faulty even though it was tawheed at outstart but it's now corrupted

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Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 2:20am On Feb 14, 2019

najib632:
It's because he's rationally ok and sincere that's why I always reply him.

I know. He actually used to nice be all that. But then, between 2015-16 he was influenced by a crazy CHRISTIAN Finland base Igbo lady and he became demon and intolerant towards us. Now he's back to normal grin

Hahahaha, no need for the bashing though if only he would seek knowledge for himself and not the extremist ideology of Al-qaeda and the rest.

I don't think you were here in 2017 to 18 how crazy he was. He has multiple monikers. He started with Deathstroke007. He was cool and normal human being at this time. His comments were relative. He then changed to different monikers that I don't remember anymore and started promoting jabata ideology. Then he became Alhusunnah, and cloned his fellow Salafis' moniker named Uthaymeen and now he got this one.

In few yrs after realizing his ideology doesn't sell he will dump and realize he has been in errors these years.

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 9:15pm On Feb 13, 2019

najib632:
I didn't call anyone names I am just saying facts, when Abuheekmat was making Takfir of people he doesn't know about their virtue, I had to correct him. Al-baqir is out of my league for now, so I can't argue with him.

There's different froms of extremism, I am not calling him a terrorist . He's a Shia... You don't know how many times his statements made me spend hours thinking. I don't even know why I am explaining myself to you besides you ain't a Muslim.

Are you just realizing this?. You failed to see what i have been saying indirectly that he is on fishing expedition and also to be honest, he is trying to acquire more islamic knowledge too. His sudden interest in islam section tipped me. Overall, he seems to be rationally okay and sincere.

As for the takfiri above, you better ignore that one bcus he thinks from his anus cheesy

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 8:31pm On Feb 13, 2019

AlBaqir:
I will advice you to please read historical facts about how my master Abu Dhar was exiled. Mu'awiyah tied him to a horse that dragged him from the former base to Madina. He was half dead upon arrival. Yet, Uthman exiled him from the city of Prophet. Please brother read SOURCES yourself. Stop following opinion of one eyed people that will sweep facts on the carpet and curry flavor issues.

I only really want to address this. From where I do my research made no mention of Muawiya tied Abu Dhabi a to horse and dragged him out. Rather there are detailed explanation that is quite contrary to what you are saying. This is why it is very important to be careful of these historians. Some of them wrote things based on sectarian differences.

If there are two contradictory stories about particular incident (s), it only makes sense to adhere to which is close to unity than sectarian. From where I read from had lots more. I decided to post just little piece. From them, they actually respected and told true nature of Abu Dhar (rodiyaAllah anihu) been a very pious sahabi and a person who practiced what he preached. They speak positively of him and others likewise.

For this reason, I have no reason to believe some stories cooked up to marginalized Uthman and Muawiya (rodiyaAllah anihum) in this case. I am not just trying to defend them for the sake of this topic rather for the fact that there are contrary stories which you and I can never be 100% certain of what truly happened except that we rely on historical data.

Politics › Re: The Moment Buhari Arrived Eagles Square Abuja To Flag Off Presidential Campaign by Empiree: 6:06pm On Feb 13, 2019

SalamRushdie:
in the name of almighty God Buhari will be defeated at the polls and he will concede defeat

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:19pm On Feb 13, 2019

AlBaqir:
# It is one thing to emotionally disagree with facts, it is another thing to disprove those facts.

When Abu A'la Mawdudi published his book "al-Khilafah wa Mulukiyah" (you can read the English version), he was criticized and labeled heretic and deviant with series of assassination attempts on his life. In the book, he exposed Caliph Uthman and Mu'awiyah with undeniable facts.

I have always respected Abu A'la Mawdudi (ra) and I read one of his famous books growing up. I don't recall the title. He's entitled to his opinion about Uthman (ra). Growing up, Uthman was known for nepotism. I can recall till this day. Maybe it is fair to say this was taught through Mawdudi's books. I never for once considered him to be heretic. He was a great scholar of Islam. His main charges against Uthman(ra) are :

-He allowed Marwan, his cousin to keep one fifth (khums) of the booty from Africa;

-He deposed Sad bin Abi Waqqas R.A. from the governorship of Kufah and appointed in his place Walid b. Uqbah, and later bestowed that important post upon another relative, named Sa’id b. al-Aas;

-He appointed Abdullah b. Amir as governor ofBasrah in place of Abu Musaal-Ashari ;

-He removed Amr b. Aas from governorship of Egypt and appointed in his place his foster-brother, Abdullah b. Sad b. Abi Sarah;

-He added to the governorship of Muawiyah some very vast regions such as Hims, Palestine, Jordan, who was in Umar’s period simply a governor of Damuscus region.

-He appointed Marwan b. Hakam R.A. as his personal secretary.

-As a result of the above actions, the whole of the Muslim empire came under his authority and influence. Hence all power and authority practically came to be concentrated in the hands of a single family i.e. Banu Umayyah.

But this isn't peculiar though. His predecessor(saw) also appointed relatives and others who are related one way or another. Example, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) appointed several of his relatives to high posts from among Banu Hashim, his own family: He appointed Hamzah b. Abdul Muttalib, Ali b. Abi Talib, Jafar b. Abi Talib as commanders of the Saraya (compaigns), besides Harith bin Nawfal as governor of Jeddah. Appointment of Zayd b. Harithah to different posts on several occasions and his son Usamah as the commanderof the last campaign of his life should also be credited to the account of Banu Hashim, as the mawali (clients) were regarded, according to the Arab Islamic customs as members of the clan or family.

Among other relatives of the Prophet (saw) who received government posts included three fathers-in-law namely, Abu Sufian b. Harab Umavi, Abu Bakr Siddiq and Umar b. alKhattab. As many as seven Umavis were given government posts particularly governorship of important places and they were also related to the Prophet (saw) in one way or the other.

# Uthman compiled Quran? That's too much of a compliment to him.

This is shia version but I actually welcome the fact that Shia believe Qur'an was compiled in the lifetime of the prophet. You said the same some 3-4 yrs ago during debates with Christians.

# Quran was compiled during the lifetime of the Prophet supervised by him. For whatever reason known to them, Caliph Abubakar and Umar decided to compiled their own version of the Quran giving the task to ONLY Zayd ibn Thabit (neglecting other Qaari and scribes of the Qur'an during Prophet's time).

none issue. I am sure you have the same Quran I have, which means what Zayd ibn Thabit was tasked with is what you have too.

# According to Sunni history of Quran "compilation", Uthman only make copies from Abubakar's version and enforce that version for the Ummah.

That's good. Enforcement was necessary to put things in place cheesy

# And for a fact, none of the first 3 Caliphs was a Qaari or knew Qur'an whether how to read or in comprehension. Ahadith and history did not favor them on this. I will be more than glad to furnish you undenial evidences should you oppose these facts.

this is serious allegation. But at the same time they don't have to be Qaari to understand Qur'an. I am not a Qaari but I understand little I am given. But to say they don't comprehend is off. To be khalifah required elements of knowledge of Qur'an. Your allegations might be due to schism. But if you say INTERPRETATION on some issues I can understand that.

# The worst of it all is that the 3 of them severally opposed Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet KNOWINGLY. Uthman ibn Affan was the worst as he used to suppress whoever try to correct or challenge his judgement. Abu Darr al-Ghifari was one of his victim.

You see, this was a simple issue just like we have today. Subtle disagreement btw Abu Darr and Muawiya during caliphate of Uthman was base on interpretation of Ayah just as we have btw Sufi and Salafi today. Abu Darr al al-Ghifar was never forced exiled. The soundest report about the story of Abu Dhar is that which was narrated by Bukhari in his Sahih from Zaid ibn Wahb radiya Llahu anhu who said:

I passed by al Rabdhah and there I saw Abu Dhar radiya Llahu anhu. I said to him: “Why did you settle here?” He said: “I was in Syria, and Muawiyah and I disagreed concerning the verse:

O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the [Jewish] rabbis and the [Christian] monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the way of Allah [i.e. Allah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism]. And those who hoard up gold and silver (Al Kanz: the money, the zakat of which has not been paid) and spend them not in the way of Allah, announce unto them a painful torment.

Muawiyah radiya Llahu anhu said that this was revealed concerning the people of the Book; but I said it was revealed concerning us and them. There was a debate between me and him concerning that, and he wrote to ‘Uthman radiya Llahu anhu complaining about me. ‘Uthman radiya Llahu anhu wrote to me telling me to come to Madinah, so I came, and the people gathered around me as if they had never seen me before. I mentioned that to ‘Uthman radiya Llahu anhu and he said to me: “If you want to move (outside Madinah) but still be near us that is fine.” That is why I settled here, and even if they appointed an Abyssinian over me I would hear and obey.

# Lastly on this, even if you give him the credit of compiling Quran, that does not meant he can not violate orders of the Qur'an. Al-Saud are the "largest compiler and distributor" of Quran worldwide today, yet they violate Quran more than any common faasiq.

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Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 2:02am On Feb 13, 2019*

I certainly disagree with some of what is said here. The wordings self appeared to be inconsistently incoherently, and unbelievably incredibly.

Uthman that compiled Qur'an would not abide by Hukm is something questionable. There is no way historians couod have been accurate. For a man to compile Quran that the entire ummah have been using for centuries is very commendable.

And each Sahabi had their unique way they dealt with situations at their time. But to say that Sayyidina Ali (karamallahu wajia) would assumed that Sayyidina uthman (rodiyaAllah anihu) did not judge by what Allah revealed may be too good to be true.

Cc: Albaqir

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 2:55pm On Feb 12, 2019

true2god:
Stop acting as if you are in a constant state of war; take a chill pill mehn. You are too young for this.

I stated that fact that western media bash all religion, and that at a time Al-jazeera was fond of inviting Wafa Sultan, why all these anger? You need cool down a bit because you can't fight for your God; God doesnt need human input to do his battle.

Fighting for God?. Nope. Simply highlighted to you how God dammed those guys with their hate.

To be fair, Western media promotes atheism than religion. But my emphasis was post 9/11 anti Islam rhetoric. They promoted anti-Islam far more worse than they do Christianity post 9/11 to the point of sending many muslims to long term jail on false premises. How many Christians have been jailed for their belief in the West?.

And the so called Al-Jazeera is not Islamic. It is a CNN sister's station. Modern agenda is to bend religion to fit their trash. And if you don't bend they label you all sorts of things. And Islam is the only religion that refuses to bend its kneels. This makes Islam stands out. CHRISTIANITY has long bent it's kneels.

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Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 1:02pm On Feb 12, 2019

true2god:
They could not solve the problem because it is being used as a political tool to settle scores. Until they, shia and sunni, come together as one, the enmity will not go away for the next 1000 years. In Ireland, the Catholics and the protestants fought for over 200 years, killing and maiming each other, but today they have found a way to bury their difference and move along, to a very large extent.

The bolded is an myth that only existed in your imagination; a sort of a self-inflated religious ego. In the early days of Al-jazeera, a supposedly Arab media, muslim critics are alweays invited to bash Islam (watch the video of the debate between Wafa sultan vs an Egyptian sheik). Al-jazeera was forced to stop this episode after a serious back-lash from the muslim world. There is no religion without it flaws as long as human beings are the custodians and the practitioners.

Wafa Sultan of all people?. I used to listen to her. Where is her relevance now?. You don't war with Islam and remain relevant ever. Where is Robert Spencer?. Where is Hamas son who ran his mouth over 10yrs ago that Islam would vanish in 10yrs?. Where are they over 10yrs ago, all of them around 2001-2011? .

They are all silenced by Almighty Himself. They did and said what they said for $$$ not religious conviction. Some of them regret their activities back then because right now Western people are wiser. If you come out to say trash openly about Islam now, Americans especially would bash you for hate crime unlike a decade ago.

Where is US president John Quincy Adams, sixth President of the United States (1825–1829), who wrote:

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth

He's gone beneath the earth and silenced by God. Where is Walid Shoebat, Jerry Falwell. Where is Pamela Geller, a b!tch who used to say trash. All of them are quite irrelevant now. Americans have woke from their slumber a decade later to realize these people are garbage. You have to understand that they said and acted nasty because they wanted to put food on their table. Now people are not buying their trash anymore, they are infamous.

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 2:31am On Feb 12, 2019

Miracle / poison—ONION�

*In 1919, flu killed 40 million people.* A doctor visited the many farmers who had the attack to see if he could help them combat the flu.

Many of the farmers & their family had contracted the flu and many died.

However, the doctor came upon one farmer whose family was healthy and nobody in the house contracted the flu.

The doctor asked the farmer what he was doing that was different from the others.

The farmer's wife replied that she put an unpeeled onion in a dish and placed them in all the rooms in their house.

The doctor thought that could have been the cure so he asked for one of those onions.

As he placed it under the microscope, he found the flu virus in the onion. The onions obviously absorbed all the bacteria and thereby kept the family healthy.

Now, I sent this story to a friend in Oregon who regularly contributes material to me on health issues. She replied with this most interesting experience about onions:
She said ' Thanks for the reminder. I don't know about the farmer's story but, I do know that I myself got pneumonia and became very ill. From my previous knowledge about onions, I cut both ends off an onion put it into an empty jar, and place the jar next to myself over night.

By the morning, I began to feel better while the onion became black.'

Lots of times when we have stomach problems we don't know what to blame. Maybe the onions that we ate earlier are to blame.

*Onions ABSORB BACTERIA* and that is the reason why they are also good at preventing us from getting *colds & flu* in left peeled in our room !!!

*And for that very reason we should NOT eat an onion that has been sitting for a time after it has *been cut open.*

*Left over onions are poisonous*

When food poisoning is reported, the first thing the officials look for is whether the 'victim' ate *ONIONS* and where those onions came from. Most probably the *ONIONS,* are the cause.

*Onions are huge magnets* for bacteria, especially uncooked ones.

*Never ever keep a portion of sliced onion over a period of time and thereafter use it to prepare food. It's not even safe if you put it in a zip-lock bag and placed it in your refrigerator. It is still poisonous*

Also, do not give onions to dogs. Their stomachs cannot metabolize onions.

*Please remember it is dangerous to cut an onion and try to save it to cook with the next day, it becomes highly poisonous for even a single night - as it creates toxic bacteria which causes adverse stomach infections and food poisoning.*

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Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 1:13am On Feb 12, 2019

aadoiza:
I think you're right. But they should have planted it in our subconscious that however good and perfect some individuals might appear to be they'll still have the ever-lurking Hyde persona in them.
Now what happened to those who never went to madrasa, many of whom I have got around, they'd die never knowing the atrocities some of their revered predecessors committed, which I don't think is fair.

Qur'an already answered this Q2:141.

And history wont repeat itself if people would abide by simply instruction Q3:103

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 11:44pm On Feb 11, 2019

aadoiza:
I always respect your views, Emp.iree, even on this i still do. But you should know that some of us never had the luxury of having Islamic scholars in our families. Even the ile kewu wey we go na jeko jeko. And as a result, we only had access to a handful of Islamic materials prescribed by our Alfas. The materials and their sermons/preaching were our only sources of furthering our knowledge of Islam. Take note that information was not as widespread back then.
So, everything I'd ever heard or read of the sahaba were good things. They were sold to us like they couldn't do no wrong. Like they were the best set of people to walk on the surface of the earth. In fact, I don't have the right words or phrases to describe the goodness I thought these people exuded.
And then, of a sudden, some random non-Muslim made what I thought was serious allegations against my heroes. I thought he was crazy and at the same he provoked in me inquisitiveness. Hardly had I dug deep, than I was gobsmacked at a most harrowing truth that was laid before my curious eyes. I was gutted. I was disgusted. I was shattered. Do you know what that could do to one's psyche, Emp.iree? I believed these people were saintly for most of my life, man. You no go understand.
Nevertheless, I stopped hating them already. But I doubt I could ever hold them in much reverence as I used to. When their names are mentioned these days my head no dey swell again. Unlike then, my big head would literally swell. I have tried to force the swelling a few times but....
I will however continue to respect them for one thing: for dumping whatever the prevalent belief system was at the time and accepting Islam. E no easy to do.

I understand. And fair enough. U can't blame Alfas back then. Even they knew, it wasn't proper to teach kids beyond literature they could comprehend.

For instance, they used to teach us, and memorized lots of small small ahadith that are relate to good things like "do unto others what you do to yourself" etc. They did not teach us in-depth marriage life of the prophet (saw). And usually they did not teach beyond battle of badr when it was subject of j!had. We can't blame them. Our brain could not absorb then what we know now. And also understand that, what we read in the books or heard about them could as well have been manipulated since we were not there at the time.

There were many amongst sahaba who knew little or nothing. We today know a lot more than them Islamically. We read more books and that was because they did not have this luxury have. But the reason we can not meet their standards is simply because they met the prophet (saw) and struggled with him. This is something we can not attain. Because of this, regardless how great a waliy is in our time can never match standards of sahaba.

For this, they earned our respect. We should not speak ill of them nor curse them.

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 7:57pm On Feb 11, 2019

AlBaqir:
Empir.ee,

If you know what non-Muslim researchers have invested into Islamic studies, you wouldn't talk the way you are talking. Of the best Islamic historians were non-Muslims. Of recent, I came across a book written by a professor on Usul al-fiqh. I was dumbfounded. Usul al-fiqh

If by now, majority of the Muslims are still shying away from facts or hiding truth well established in our documents, we will be doing more harm than good.

Brother, nobody can hide anything from anybody in today's modern age. Well, Africa is still stuck in the past so is our local champion scholars. You know me from time immemorial, I am not afraid to dish out facts.

I am not taking about hiding truth or fact. Ofcourse everything is in the open. I am taking about the way and intent of discussingg sahaba issue is pretty fruitless all the time. It hasn't solve anything for centuries and will not solve anything. It will only allow more divisions.

I just came across a thread in Christian section now titled something like Islam hatred of Jews and CHRISTIANS. One of the comments reads, "they even kill Shia". Few years ago in NYC, mayor sighted tragedy of karbala and how household of the prophet (saw) were killed. I believe you know this one. Question is, he doesn't even believe in Allah and he's showing "sympathy" for household of the prophet that he doesn't believe in?. It is a trick and there is always negative intent behind it. They stealthily took Shia for a ride. Anytime they get involved in Muslim affairs it is always questionable. The mayor stood openly condemning the killers of alhbayt. What message was he sending to Sunnis indirectly?.

This is someone who didn't believe in Allah. Doesn't believe Qur'an is the word of Allah. Didn't believe nabi is Allah's messanger. Abeg, what good comes out of that?.

They live to create situations that divide the ummah. I have long understood then very well. I am not saying non muslim couldn't have written benefitial books on Islam. Usually non muslims who embrace Islam know better than muslims born in muslim households because they took their time to research. But muslims barely research because they take knowledge for granted.

So I am always careful when Christians and jews suddenly show interest in discussing differences btw Shia and Sunni which is not their piority.

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 7:27pm On Feb 11, 2019

true2god:
Human beings will always have issues with this type of reasoning; having a siege mentality. Instead of solving a problem you accuse the person that point out flaws as the bad person. I told you in my previous post that there is no perfect religion but you always say otherwise.

If you watch CNN everyday, they bash Christianity, Catholics more than they bash Islam.

since discussions about sahaba have been up for centuries did they solve it?.

And no, there is perfect religion and that is Islam. You are equating personalities with religion. Ofcourse, that 3 letters media outlets and others would bash Christianity because there are flaws in it and I am not talking about Christian history.

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 7:02pm On Feb 11, 2019

true2god:
Check my post, I have condemned my fellow Christians many times. I am against so many things happening in the Christendom and I can highlight them if you don't mind. Religion should not make us deny facts or tell the truth.

refer to my last post up there

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 6:29pm On Feb 11, 2019

AlBaqir:
Brother, the guy stated facts. Forget about whatever antics he might play. Today, people have access to information than you can ever think. Let's stop denying facts. We will look insincere.

You see, you will be making mistake made in the past. This is what Jamiu Adegunwa was saying, that Christians would say things in Islam to cause further disunity like the West are currently doing siding with Saudi over silly things to hate their fellow muslims. I don't entertain that one bit. It is a trick.

And ones they done with Saudi's alleged enemies, they come for Saudi and finish it off. And at that time, Saudi will not have any backings from fellow muslims. It is the same with Sunni/Shia. They poke their nose in what doesn't concern them and side with Shia for their comfort theoretically to chase Sunni away. When it is btw them and Shia, they start using all types of tricks and use Sunni text against Shia. At that time it will be difficult for Sunni to defend Shia.

This is why there was a saying:

"Islam is a religion without men (men made of dud-recycle paper brain). Christianity is men made of steel-stealth brain but without religion"

I have my reservation for sahaba altogether. The wisest thing to do in my opinion is to avoid speaking on differences except for academic purposes when necessary. Again, Allah will not ask us what sahaba did or didn't do. Q2:141.

This Ayah alone kills all types of arguments regarding sahaba to cause problems within the ummah. As you can see, Shia made that mistake by making it their aqeeda to curse some sahaba. Now shia Ulama are struggling to curb and reverse it. It is never too late. This is why I prefer opinion of Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal (ra). Allah will judge sahaba and He will not ask them about us too.

So the CHRISTIANs use this for strategic purposes not for love and affection for Islam. FAR FROM IT.

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 5:41pm On Feb 11, 2019

true2god:
The sahabas never made any mistake bro. Stop covering evil out of religious conviction. Their action was pre-meditated and worthy of condemnation. How can you, without iota of conscience, develop a very strong sense of hatred against the family of your prophet which eventaully resulted into the death of his entire family? And for the records, the actions of Abu Bakr, Umar Ibn Kathab and Uthman ibn Affan (the first three righty guided khalifa) technically eliminated the entire household of the prophet, the event which resulted into the current ideological difference between the shia and the sunnis. Any moral soul should be reasonable in condemnation their 'game of throne' among the muslim ummah.

This history is never taught in any mainstream Muslim school. How can you avoid the mistake of the past when you don't want to learn form history? How can genuine healing be possible without reconciling the mistake of the past and teach the future generation to live in harmony and to avoid the same mistakes again?

Don't think one bit that I'm here to entertain you. You being a confused Christian, how does this concern you?. I am well aware of Christian tactics long enough.

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 3:57pm On Feb 11, 2019

Frenchkiss564:
And these people lived and dined with the prophet, saw him perform miracles, witnessed everything first hand and yet still stoop this low.

It is still a shock to me bro, if a Christian had told me this I would have swore with my life that none of the prophet's companion could perform this attraocities.

If we refused to talk about it how then are we different from the Christians with their "touch not my anointing thingy"

Thought provoking. It is good to learn their history truthfully. I am heartbroken reading your highlighted part.

However, I maintained that they must be respected still regardless for as long as we see them as Muslims. Otherwise, everyone would be insulting sahaba all the time. And whatever mistakes we see in them should be only used for educational purposes not mockery and insult.

As aadoiza rightly said, it is very bad and very unfortunate to learn about sahaba from nonmuslims especially if you're not firmly grounded. You could easily sway. Imam Ahmad ibn Hambal(ra) simply did not want to cause schisms in the ummah was probably the reason he summoned muslims to respect and honor them regardless of their shortcomings.

Remember that Allah will not ask any of us about the actions of each sahabi and generations before us. Their accounts are with Him(SWT).

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Politics › Re: FG Begins Expansion, Rehabilitation Works On Lagos-badagry Expressway by Empiree: 4:46am On Feb 11, 2019

SaiATKUOBI2019:
Bubu dat should be in a psych ward off an old people's home is the one APC is parading for Nigerians to vote in again when he barely remembers his native language, when he is not even aware he is the presidential candidate.....lol....
I think wat patriotic Nigerians should be doing is launching a campaign to rescue this old granny from these power hungry individuals that have kidnapped him and reunite him with his family to be properly taken care of....

You are very silly, obviously. You are attacking his personality which is none of your business. Wallai, nigerians like you are part of the problems. Instead of focusing on his performances which directly impact nigerians one way or another, you worry about sense issues

Politics › Re: Peter Obi Escapes Death As APC And PDP Clash In Abuja Today (Photos) by Empiree: 8:56pm On Feb 09, 2019

baliyubla:
Buhari all your attempts at election postponement won’t work. Just one week left before you’re sent packing.

and if he wins?

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Islam › Re: My SimplySalafiyyah.com updates by Empiree: 9:14am On Feb 08, 2019

AbuUbayy1:
Kindly provide evidences from the Qur'an and Sunnah that supports protests.
What did the prophet ordered us to do under a tryant ruler?

very ridiculous of you. No wonder you people are uninformed in Nigeria. That's why politicians are taking you for a ride. So pathetic. Hadith you tried to use to back up your position is talking about not raising weapons against authority, hooliganism, destruction etc. It is not talking about not demanding your rights.

Demanding your rights is your right in Islam whether you physically protest or verbally protest. It is the same. How about Hadith which says to speak the truth in front of the oppressive ruler. How do you reconcile that with your evidence?.

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Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 4:27pm On Feb 07, 2019

AlBaqir:
STILL ON MALIK IBN NUWAYRAH AND THE WAR CRIMINAL - KHALID IBN AL-WALID

Hafiz Ibn Asakir documents:

Abu Ghalib al-Bana and Abu Abdillah al-Bana narrated from Abu Jaffar bin Maslama from Abu Tahir al-Mukhalis from Ahmad bin Sulaiman from al-Zubair bin Bakr from Mus’ab bin Abdullah, who said:….Umar said: ‘I admonished Khalid for breaking the orders and for what he did with the money., Khalid would distribute the booty amongst the soldiers without informing Abu Bakr. He made decisions that contravened those of Abu Bakr, he killed Malik bin Nuwayra and married his wife. He made peace with the people of Yamama and married the daughter of Maj’a bin Marara. These were met with disapproval by Abu Bakr and he issued Diyat (blood money) to Mutammim bin Nuwayrah and ordered Khalid to divorce Malik’s wife….’

Source: Tarikh Ibn Asakir, Volume 16 page 274

http://islamport.com/d/1/trj/1/111/2291.html

Hafiz Ibn Asakir also records:

Abu Bakr al-Ansar from al-Hassan bin Ali from Abu Umar bin Haywiyah from Ahmad bin Maroof from al-Hussain bin al-Fehm from Muhammad bin Saad from Muhammad bin Umar from Muhammad bin Abdullah from al-Zuhari from Handala bin Ali al-Aslami who said: ‘…When Khalid arrived at Madina, he entered the mosque of Allah’s Messenger wearing rusty armor and with his sword. There were some arrows in his turban, he passed by Umar but didn’t talk to him, then he came to Abu Bakr, and he heard from Abu Bakr what pleased him, he then left happy. Umar therefore knew that Abu Bakr had pleased him, therefore he didn’t talk to him (Khalid). Umar was angry at him (Khalid) because of what he had done, by killing Malik bin Nuwayrah and marrying his wife and also for what was in his heart against him (Khalid) about Bani Jadhima case’

Source: Tarikh Ibn Asakir, Volume 16 page 258

http://islamport.com/d/1/trj/1/111/2291.html

# Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 5 page 619 Tradition 14091:

Ibn Abi Aun and others narrated that Khalid bin al-Walid claimed that Malik bin Nuwayrah had become Murtad according to the information that he (Khalid) had received. Malik denied this and said: ‘I am a Muslim, I never changed.’ Abu Qutada and Abdullah ibn Umar testified that (Malik is Muslim) but Khalid ordered Dharar bin Al-Auzwar to behead him (Malik). Then Khalid took his (Malik’s) wife. (Umar) said to Abu Bakr: ‘He (Khalid) has performed adultery, you have to stone him’. Abu Bakr said: ‘I can’t stone him; he interpreted hence made a mistake’. (Umar) said: ‘Then dismiss him’. He (Abu Bakr) said: ‘I cannot put the sword back in the sheath which Allah has pulled out on my opponents.’(Ibn Sa’ad).

@ Empi.ree

These back my point when I said there was more to the killing of Malik bin Nuwayrah

Islam › Re: Business Of Baking Birthday Cakes And Wedding Dinners In Islam. by Empiree: 8:41pm On Feb 06, 2019

aadoiza:
Empiree, you should also stop selling food stuff and bottled water to be cooked for and drank by guests at wedding events 'cos of the possibility of free-mixing at such events. In fact, never ever sell aso ebi to the potential attendees. You hear me?
Allah, bless your servants with common sense.

LOL

Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 6:34pm On Feb 06, 2019

LadunaI:
I can only recognize few people there, May be like 4 or 5. BTW who is that sheikh in the middle with glasses?

Where art thou?

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Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 5:46pm On Feb 06, 2019

AlBaqir:
Nigerian problem is "corruption": misappropriation of public funds. Our problem is not tax paying.

this is macro institution. They don't always satisfy everyone and they can't. US economy is okay but muslims still pay zakat locally to less previlleged. They collected zakat in Ramadan and everyday and at the end of the week. Zakat money are distributed to Muslims. They do this to fullfil Islamic obligation. Why do they not ignore just because US economy is doing fine?. Do they do this in Nigeria?. If they do this would alleviate poverty locally to some extent. Just like in USA, some people are not legally qualified to receive govt benefits or very little payment but they are in need. This zakat collection fills this hole. Whether there is govt corruption or not muslims have this obligation to fulfill in Nigeria. It can not be abandoned.

Besides, it is only in Sunni fiqh that you can use money to pay zakat. In shi'i fiqh, zakat is only one 9 items: camels, sheeps, cows, gold, silver, wheat, grain, raisin, dates.

as you rightly said this is fiqh issue and I have argued this before. We left it to Allah to accept it. But we know money isn't the conventional way of paying zakat. My parent use garri, rice, ewa etc. So this is subjective to local food. But now world is rapidly changing. It is almost impossible to distribute food. People self (in Western world) prefer cash. Even homeless and panhandlers prefer money. The reason people prefer money here is bcus foods are always surplus.

For a fact, Prophet never accept money for zakat. Money is only allowed on khums which Sunni fiqh doesn't practice. Anyway, that's jurisprudential differences.

zakat in the context of Abu Bakr (ra) and other sohaba was definitely not money

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 5:18pm On Feb 06, 2019*

true2god:
I am not trying to put you on the defensive but to have an honest conversation with you on this. You need not be paranoid. I never said any zakat evader has been killed in this contemporary time, but that the action of Abu Bakr can be used for oppressive ruling whenever a political system, or atmosphere, permits that.

You don't have a make a wrong insinuation based on an obviously biased mindset. My motive is clear; I reject Abu Bakr's approach in dealing with tax defaulters.

it is okay as long as you are not bias or have some sort of motives. I just don't like talking about internal Muslim issues with non Muslims and they in turn try to use that argument against us while forgetting their own. Sahaba were humans and prone to err just like many world leaders invade and kill people and would not apologize or pay restitution

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 12:53pm On Feb 06, 2019

AlBaqir:
Empir.ee,

Fourth, "la Ikraha fi din". There is a type of "la" in Nawh (Arabic syntax and grammar) called "lam nafiyatul jins". This "lam of negation" does not spare ANYTHING. It is the same "la" used in "la ilaha ilah Allah". It negate EVERYTHING except Allah. Likewise, in "la ikraha fi din", it negate EVERY ACT OF FORCEFUL ACTION in practising religion. Besides, "ad-din" used in the ayat comprises ALL din. Islam inclusive. Therefore, if a Muslim decides not to pray or pay zakat or fast or go to hajj (despite meeting all conditions), you can only persuade and persuade NOT killing.

Let's not get something wrong here. "La ikraha fi Deen" as I said earlier doesn't apply to muslims in the sense that a Muslim already entered into the religion. He or she can not use this Ayah to support his it her position to evade salat, zakat, Ramadan and Hajj. At the same time it doesn't mean killing them because they do not observe these, no. This is what usermane think, that I support forcing or killing anyone who doesn't pray. He doesn't realize I was just pulling his leg. As you said we only persuade them, encourage them and teach them. But they can not use the Ayah to defend their lazy position because Quran said "enter religion perfectly" meaning accepting all the fard and Hakam but some may be lacking. This is not issue. We don't kill them because they don't observe tenets. They may change in the future.

As for saying that there were no other tax evaders, they were obviously like the issue of musaylima and his group. Again, Abu Bakr (ra) recognized many of those who tried to evade tax to be muslims. And I wouldn't say that they refused to pledge allegiance to him. This was the case of Malik. He and his clan did not reject zakat and they were muslims. Again, there was more to the issue of Malik's wife between him and Khalid.

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 12:38pm On Feb 06, 2019

AlBaqir:
Fasad is spreading corruption and evil on earth. How is not paying zakat becomes fasad?

I think I kind of have some defensive explanation and illustrasted Nigeria economic and societal issues

Travel › Re: Nigerian Woman Begging On The Streets Of Canada. Photos by Empiree: 10:25pm On Feb 05, 2019*

DoTheNeedful:
My Observations

1. The woman is lazy and she is a liar. She claims to be a graduate of York University yet her English is very watery. They should deport
her;she is a disgrace.

2. The White guy who interviewed her is a terrible racist. He couldn't hide his hatred from Africans.

3. It's not only Africans that beg. I was shocked when I saw a White lady with two children begging for alms in front of a Walmart store
somewhere in the US. Up till that day, I never knew a White could beg to eat in a country like America.

I feel ashamed of this lazy and greedy woman though. I wish like tearing her better slap.

why were you shocked seeing begging white folks?. This white guy was just being nuisance. If he's truly American it shouldn't surprised him seeing someone begging. There are bunch of white homeless and pandhandlers on the streets and subways. This isn't secret. I see them everyday.

Even if this African woman's claim was real, she should never entertained him in the first place. He pretends as if there are no Americans of all races that beg for money. And I'm never judging them. I was begged several times by white men and women for money on the streets. Why is this even a big deal. Many of them spend the money on drugs. They prefer that type of life than paying rent.

Don't give homeless people money. If they hungry and ask for money, take them to nearest grocery store or McDonald's and buy them something. If they tell you they don't want it, it means they use money for drugs. This is not about race - both white and Black people do this

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Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 8:50pm On Feb 05, 2019

AlBaqir:
# In short, in your thought Prophet was "weak" for not enforcing zakat but Abubakar got it right for not only enforcing it but murdered Muslims cold blooded because of zakat collection

you roped this on me which you subsequently got wrong or mixed up in your last paragraph. If Nabi (saw) silenced on issue and Qur'an doesn't give clear cut resolution doesn't mean Ulama can't depending on what goes on in the society. This is not tantamount to weakness on the part of the prophet (saw). I cited homosexual as example. I simply made analogy

# Lastly on this: Point of consideration: Have you ever read various differing accounts as per why those Muslims led by a Sahabi refused to pay zakat to Abubakar, the new caliph? Here you are judging them in order to protect the caliph's action.

There are issue around Abu Bakr's judgement and there are different reports with some similarities.

After nabi's demise (saw), it is true that some muslims apostatized. Some simply refused to pay zakat not necessarily because they would not give allegiance to the new govt of Abu Bakr, they simply withheld their taxes, perhaps, "pending" their "observation and decision" on the new govt. Some also did not pay zakat due to misunderstanding of the Qur'anic text in question. These set of people which included Malik ibn Nuweira were recognized to be muslims by Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr (ra) would not kill them simply for withholding zakat. These people did not reject zakat tenet in itself. Where problems lie are the historical records.

Some said Abu Bakr killed them because they became apostates. This is too vague because Abu Bakr considered these people to be muslims. Matter of fact, there were physical evidences that they were indeed Muslims when Abu Bakr heard they withheld tax. He sent Khalid in Walid to enquire. Of course they went with army. This is where it gets complicated. Some historians said Khalid had few words with Malik upon reaching the town and the people were about to pray while on guard (heavily armed). Khalid was curious why they are armed since there is no enemy around and he ordered them to let their guard down. So they prayed together but at midnight he killed them all. He also killed Malik and the news reached Abu Bakr and Umar(ra). Historian clearly was not sure if Khalid killed Malik because the later refused to pay zakat or because the former had romantic interest in Malik's wife because Khalid later "married" Malik's wife which Umar considered unfair and adultery and to be killed. But Abu Bakr prevented Khalid from being executed base on his decision, whatever it was.

For your information: those people did not recognized the caliphate of Abubakar. They did not pay allegiance to him and sees no reason to pay him zakat. That, the Caliph saw could cause or instigate more "disidents", then he decided to wiped them out to send a strong message. They cursed commander sent by the caliph to do the job wiped a community of the Muslim off and "raped" the beautiful wife of that community that very night of the raid. Remember, Ali, talha, Zubayr and their friends too did not pay allegiance to Abubakar.

The people whom Abu Bakr waged war on were said to be apostates and refused to pay zakah. But the reason to go after them was not based on renouncing Islam or not paying zakat. Abu Hanifa was firm on his opinion that people who did not pay zakat were Muslims and were not killed because of that. Tabari and Abu Hanifa recorded that they took up arm in addition to evading tax. This reminds me of Texas. There are people like that in USA who pick up weapons against govt that they would not pay tax to federal govt. American would send fbi to bring them down. But this arm resurrection solves nothing. Govt simply give them tax break or reduce tax to calm their nerves. Please go and read Tabari and Abu Hanifa on this issue.

The third group are pure criminals, the group of musaylima. There is no need to go through this we all know this. So problem seems to be where some historians lumped everything together to make it look like Abu Bakr (ra) murdered muslims because they did not pay zakat which is what usermane alludes to.

While punishment like beheading, stoning, throwing from tall building are controversial and debatable as per it's correctness or weakness, the conditions put aside for any of these punishment to be established are so difficult to fulfilled that you will get to understand that Islam does not want any of these punishment to be executed per se rather the aim is to distance people from committing such heinous sins.

I certainly agree that these punishments were not meant to be carried out but prevention methods.

Second, not paying zakat is not the same as spreading fasad like commercial adulterer and fornicator or bobbyrosky et al. Where is your "la Ikraha fi din"?

"la Ikraha fi din" doesn't apply in the case of muslim because to be muslim is to accept zakah as major pillar. This is different from not being about to pay zakat. This is where it's not fard on such muslims.

Now, to address @underlined, I believe not paying zakat may cause fasad. Again I'm not talking about the miskin who can't afford to pay. They themselves are to receive zakat. Not paying zakat leads to fasad. Again, take good look at Nigeria. Zakat are withheld by the rich. I am talking about m Muslims only. But look at Nigeria situation. You see Alfa with human skull head, money rituals, human body parts etc. Although there is no excuse for their stupidity but at the end of the day you notice that they all complain about "no work, no money". We now see fasad spread of all over because of this. Zakat is meant to distribute wealth, isn't?. Once distribution of wealth seized to exist, there will be fassad. Fassad is not just corruption but destruction. Isn't this perfectly Nigeria situation?.

What is the essence of zakat in relation to its negative effect if it is not paid Compare to fasad that commercialized or publicized homosexuality or adultery will cause to the society? ARE YOU telling me that both are of equal weight therefore culprits of both should be killed?

Referred to above comment. Truly, they may not be of equal weight but it is fassad.

My high school friend asked me on Whatsapp 3yrs years ago if I am given a million naira to drink someone else's urine would I drink it?. I said "hell no". He said "that's because you don't live in the country. People would drink it in this Nigeria of ours". This is level of thinking because of money. Diseases receive from that may never be cured by One Million Naira

Islam › Re: Marieh Carey Performed Live In Saudi Arabia (near Makkah) by Empiree: 3:59pm On Feb 05, 2019

true2god:
The issue relating to how Abu Bakr treated apostates, and zakat offenders, is important because it is a prelude to any Islamic ruling in many part of the Muslim world on zakat-related matters. For the fact that you are not in a sharia-complaint country does not mean that it must not be discussed. If, for whatever reason, you don't want it discussed 'no wahala'. You should also understand that the ulamas, in many countries, has issued various fatwas based on the recorded actions of the sahabas, and not the prophet himself.

your antics will not work with me obviously. Take Iran and Saudi for instance, do you have proof that they kill Muslims because they evade or deny zakat?. Onus is on you to prove this. You need to understand there are other sohaba with different rulings after Abu Bakr (ra). So Muslim countries may choose whichever is in their best interest. However, do they even take zakat collection serious anymore?. I'm sure no. If they enforce and collect zakah from the rich in Nigeria, I am sure poverty would be lessened. Rich people who don't pay faces wrath of the law. This is equivalent of what modern Western has. They have their ruling which is to severely penalize tax evaders. The punishments range from hefty fines (money) to jail.

You said I am comparing ancients times with the modern times, if so why is the hadith so important in the Muslim world? The hadith is an ancient text material which are still being used as a guide in many Muslim countries.

I know you have motives. What we discussed here is issue of ruling on apostates by Abu Bakr (ra) but you amalgamated all ahadith so you can say later "why do you use Hadith to pray your daily prayers since it is ancients times, and this is modern time?"

I got you cheesy

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