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 Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop Daniel Obinim Arrested (Video, Photos) by Empiree: 11:43pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
Proffdada:The pastor applied Islamic Shari'a Law of FLOGGING. He should have applied Biblical law of STONING to DEATH since the members were christians, that would have been JUSTICE |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 4:55pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
No pain here. I already dealt with issue with draggnet and newman in the past and some others. Here is snother story to buttress my point. This not about ego and of-course i didnt write epistle to get you tired. I write them with evidence. STOP condemning what you dont understand. Thats my point. You are only threading religion. You dont know it. Here is another opportunity muslims lost some yrs back. It happened in Indonesia where two young locals went to the farm They found a big tree with huge roots. They extracted piece from it and tasted it. It tastes very bitter. So they thought it could be useful for some health benefits. What they are doing is RESEARCH. They didnt need the Sahaba (rodiyaAllahu ajmoin) to tell them that. They don't need hadith for instructions. It is medical research. I think the name of the root is called tunkert Ali. I didn't spell it correct. But that's how it sounds. So they brought the roof to prepared for medicines. The other locals, I mean people like you and those alfas condemning everything in nija, they have them in indonesia as well. they condemned the dudes. Later researchers or explorers from America discovered the same tree, extracted the root and took it to their country. They tested it in their lab and discovered it is not only good for stomach pain but for general health benefits including premature ejculation. But the 2 locals from indonesia who first discovered it only used it for stomach disease. Now White people took the CREDIT for the medicine that muslims could have easily took credit for. Now if you go to internet, white people have packaged the meds in form of pills and powder and they sell it on their credit to their own advantage. They now window dressed the root, repackaged it and resells it to indonesia and around the world. I bought 2kg myself 2yrs ago. It taste horrible. So this is what i was trying to tell you. You can't just condemn something or practices without deep understanding or other option. Islam is NOT restricted to pen and paper. Islam is also on lips and hands. Jalabi started as a form of medicines and Dawah. Go and do the research. It is not exclusive to ibadah 3 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 4:25pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
And I am done really on this. I have made my point clear but you want to believe what you want. I have defended ESSENCE of "Jalabi" i:e IWOSAN (medical) which is backed by Qur'an and Sunnah but you and the sister said herbs is for herbalist and your evidence is dictionary's definition while i provided EVIDENCE from Quran and hadith. You snubbed bcus you didnt see the prophet goes to the farm. Ridiculous! But then, you would turn around and take doctor's advice to give you pills made of same herbs mentioned in the Quran & Sunnah. You abandoned "prophetic medicines" for pills made by Oyinbo and you said that's not bid'a because in your mind,it it is worldly matter. But when a muslim does the same, it's bid'a?. FANTASTIC!!!! You live in CONTRADICTED world. BUt it is easy for you to get support when you keep saying "following Quran and sunnah and sahaba". bcus that's your anthem. But when it comes to practicing medics in the Sunnah, you lost. 3 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 4:14pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
Bismillahi Rahman Rahim On Dhikr and Group Dhikr Allah says in His Glorious Kitab “O You who believe! Remember Allah with much remembrance” [33:41]. The Prophet pbuh said, “Allah says: ‘I am just as My slave thinks I am, (i.e. I am able to do for him what he thinks I can do for him) and I am with him if He remembers Me. If he remembers Me in himself, I too, remember him in Myself; and if he remembers Me in a group of people, I remember him in a group that is better than they; and if he comes one span nearer to Me, I go one cubit nearer to him; and if he comes one cubit nearer to Me, I go a distance of two outstretched arms nearer to him; and if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running” [Sahih Bukhari]. In Tafsir of this verse Imam al-Qurtubi (rah) mentions the hadith: وروى أبو سعيد عن النبيّ صلى الله عليه وسلّم: «أكثروا ذكر الله حتى يقولوا مجنون Translation: Abu Sa'eed al Khudri (ra) narrates from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) who said: Do Dhikr so much that people start calling you Majnoon (mad) [Tafsir ul Qurtubi, Volume No. 14, Page No. 197] Sounds familiar? You and the sister have called me mischievous over this. Imam Ibn Kathir (rah) also narrated it in his Tafsir al Quran al Azim and he also showed another hadith: ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلّم: اذكروا الله ذكراً كثيراً حتى يقول المنافقون إِنكم تراؤون Translation: Narrated by Ibn Abbas (ra) who said that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: Remember Allah in abundance to the extent that Munafiqeen say that you are showing off [Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Volume No. 6, Page No. 384] There is also no restriction of doing Dhikr alone or only by sitting down, we can stand up and do Dhikr or send Salawat on Prophet (Peace be upon him). Qur'an states: الَّذِينَ يَذْكُرُونَ اللَّهَ قِيَامًا وَقُعُودًا وَعَلَىٰ جُنُوبِهِمْ وَيَتَفَكَّرُونَ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ رَبَّنَا مَا خَلَقْتَ هَٰذَا بَاطِلًا سُبْحَانَكَ فَقِنَا عَذَابَ النَّارِ Translation: Who remember Allah while "STANDING" or sitting or [lying] on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, [saying], "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You [above such a thing]; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire. (al-Qur'an 3:191) This hadith here cunter the hadith you quoted lexiconkabir عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ رضي الله عنه قَالَ: خَرَجَ مُعَاوِيَةُ عَلَى حَلْقَةٍ فِي الْمَسْجِدِ، فَقَالَ: ... إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم خَرَجَ عَلَى حَلْقَةٍ مِنْ أَصْحَابِهِ، فَقَالَ: مَا أَجْلَسَكُمْ؟ قَالُوا: جَلَسْنَا نَذْكُرُ اللَّهَ وَنَحْمَدُهُ عَلَى مَا هَدَانَا لِلْإِسْلَامِ، وَمَنَّ بِهِ عَلَيْنَا. قَالَ: آللَّهِ مَا أَجْلَسَكُمْ إِلَّا ذَاكَ؟ قَالُوا: وَاللَّهِ مَا أَجْلَسَنَا إِلَّا ذَاكَ. قَالَ: أَمَا إِنِّي لَمْ أَسْتَحْلِفْكُمْ تُهْمَةً لَكُمْ، وَلَكِنَّهُ أَتَانِي جِبْرِيلُ، فَأَخْبَرَنِي أَنَّ اللَّهَ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ يُبَاهِي بِكُمُ الْمَلَائِكَةَ Translation: Abu Saeed Khudri (رضی اللہ عنہ) narrates that Muawiyah (رضی اللہ عنہ) came to a group of people in the mosque and said, “… The Messenger of Allah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) came to a group of his Companions in the mosque and said, ‘Why are you sitting?’ They said, ‘We are sitting remembering Allah and paying our thanks to Him for His favour of guiding us to Islam.’ The Holy Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) said, ‘Do you say that on oath that is what has made you sit here?’ They submitted, ‘By Allah we are sitting here only for this purpose.’ The Holy Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) said, ‘I have not made you take oath for any doubt but the truth is that Gabriel came and told me that Allah is expressing His pride on you in front of angels.’” References ►Muslim, as-Sahih (4:2075#2701) ►Tirmidhi, as-Sunan (5:460#3379) ►Nasai, as-Sunan (8:249#5426) ►Ahmad bin Hambal, al-Musnad (4:92) ►Ibn Hibban, as-Sahih (3:95#813) ►Ibn Abi Shaybah, al-Musannaf (6:59#29469) ►Tabarani, al-Mujam-ul-kabir (19:311#701) ►Mindhiri, at-Targhib wat-tarhib (2:259#2317) [size=15pt]Angels search streets/roads for Dhikr gatherings.[/size] عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رضي الله عنه قَالَ: قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم: إِنَّ لِلَّهِ مَلَائِكَةً يَطُوفُونَ فِي الطُّرُقِ، يَلْتَمِسُونَ أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ، فَإِذَا وَجَدُوا قَوْمًا يَذْكُرُونَ اللَّهَ تَنَادَوْا، هَلُمُّوا إِلَى حَاجَتِكُمْ Translation: Abu Huraira (رضی اللہ عنہ) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) said, “Allah has angels who roam about on roads looking for the love-sick rememberers of Allah. When they find such people, they call out other angels: ‘Come here to your coveted aspiration….’” References: ► Bukhari, as-Sahih (5:2353#6045) ► Ibn Hibban, as-Sahih (3:139#857) ► Bayhaqi, Shuab-ul-iman (1:399#531) ► Ibn Rajab, Jami-ul-ulum wal-hikam (1:345) ► Mundhiri, at-Targhib wat-tarhib (2:258#2316) عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رضي الله عنه، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم، قَالَ: إِنَّ لِلَّهِ تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى مَلَائِكَةً سَيَّارَةً فُضُلًا يَتَتَبَّعُونَ مَجَالِسَ الذِّكْرِ، فَإِذَا وَجَدُوا مَجْلِسًا فِيهِ ذِكْرٌ، قَعَدُوا مَعَهُمْ Translation: Abu Huraira (رضی اللہ عنہ) narrates that the Holy Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) said, “Surely there are some angels of Allah (SWT) who conduct patrolling in search of remembrance assemblies (A: Majalis al-Dhikr - this proves Group dhikr gatherings held by Sufis). When they find such an assembly, they join and sit with them…” References: ► Muslim, as-Sahih (4:2069#2689) ► Ahmad bin Hambal, al-Musnad (2:25#7420) ► Ahmad bin Hambal, al-Musnad (2:382#8960) ► Mundhiri, at-Targhib wat-tarhib (2:259#2316) ► Mundhiri, at-Targhib wat-tarhib (4:244#5523) You want some more brother lexicon?. I got more?. The first hadith you quoted only traced to one sahaba. His opinion doesn't count since group dhikr was done in the time of the prophet(saw). Every hadith i have been quoting traced back to the prophet (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) I will no longer respond to you on Sheik Ilory. His point is clear to me and i have no problem with him. I only disagree with him on the return of Isa (AS) and few other stuff. 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 3:46pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
cyojunior1:Na'am |
| Islam › Re: The Irrationality Of Western Ideology And The Blind Faith Of Muslim Modernists by Empiree: 3:24pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
I'm coming to read this interesting stuff. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 3:07pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:you think I didn't read you well? . Alright I'm done here cus you just twisted again. You said he condemned imam bukhari for calling him a blind man. You didn't say you knew where he was driving at. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 2:51pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:what are you doing? . Aren't you refuting them for the sake of refutation?. Well, I'm still coming back. There are ahadith supporting group dhikr in the time of the prophet. This one you qouted only reached one companion which means it is his opinion. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 2:46pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:pleasee you need to listen to sheik ilory in full. He explained what he meant by blind man in arabic. It's not considered insult. He gave about 3 examples. That if you call a tall man "dongo" or "dogo". To yoruba people is sounds like taunting or insulting tall person. But to hausa man, dongo is dongo. It's not taunting. The same thing applies to arabic, afoju is afoju in Arabic. It's not insult or taunting bukhari. It's the same in English YOU is YOU whether the person is old than me or not it is YOU. It doesn't mean you taunt or insult elders. Get it? . If you listen to sheik ilory on this, you get his point. You most likely didn't even listen to him but get info from others. That's rumors |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 2:37pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Lol, you may never understand me. Let me tell you this. When I first listened to Sheik ilory, I disagreed with him. After that, I saw imam majeed eleha''s response and that sits well with me. I was basically learning to deduce from both sides. After that I listened to sheik ilory again and realized what he's saying. He's right to some extent. His opponents accused him of not understanding Arabic properly . But now I have listened to much of his lectures further. I get his point but I'm not giving him my full support not even sheik majeed either bcus he too gave a very weak defence that sheik ilory trashed out about some ahadith in bukhari. How does that make me hypocrite for trying to learn here and there? . I don't support either sides. I deduce from their knowledge. But if you still have in mind that all the hadith in sahih bukhari are valid, you must be living in Disney land  As for him not reciting sura fathia correctly as you alleged, I thought that too when I started listening to the saga BTW him and sheik sarumi. I was surprised when sheik ilory mumbles recitations. But this is what i have observed about him and I can be wrong. It looks like he has defect in his tongue. You notice even when he speaks his mother tongue, he mumbles not just arabic. This is my observation and it doesn't mean he can't recite properly. Listen to him again, you would notice how he drags his tongue when he speaks yoruba. This reflects when he speaks arabic or recites Quran. #myopinion 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 2:04pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
cyojunior1:salaam brother, please don't get it twisted. Sheikh Habib did not condemn Imam Bukhari. Imam didn't write all the ahadith in his Sahih. They lied and attributed many narrations to him. That's what Sheik ilory is saying. Imam bukhari (ra) was a great Alfa and he's rolling in his grave now for those attributed and falsified lies against him about the prophet (saw). So pls try to spot what sheikh ilory is saying. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 1:36pm On Aug 23, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: lol, You have gone from Jabata to jalabi, to group dhikr. You just seeing this hadith for the first time and it makes you feel good, right?. This is the hadith quoted by sheikh Abu Usammah of GREEN MASJID in London to silence those people doing it. Am coming back for you.I remember responding to the him on YouTube back then. Don't worry, there are other bunch of ahadith in support of grour dhikr. That would rubbish this one. You have one major problem here and that is, its ISNAD doesn't reach Rosulullah (saw). You should rather focus on Jabata before I come for you 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 6:44am On Aug 23, 2016 |
Empiree doesnt care about madhab of particular sect(s). He focuses on Quran and hadith and opinions of different scholars and derive meaning. Thats how Empiree learns. To hell with all sects. It is all politics and Nabi Rosilulah have no idea of any of them including the self proclaimed "saved sect" 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 6:40am On Aug 23, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:I am sure few years back when you were growing up, you benefited BIG TIME from it. If they malpractice somehow, you set for coordination not condemnation. All these modern Alfas who suddenly became "sunnah followers" were all or mostly benefited. And now condemning it. What a shame!. They condemn without solution other than their regular anthem "Qur'an and Sunnah". But now, I showed you herbs in the Quran and hadith, you said it has nothing to do with prophet. Can you spot my point now?. It means you people have NO solution. Just leave the people alone if you cant coordinate them properly. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 6:34am On Aug 23, 2016*. Modified: 6:25pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
Whats even funny was that, i was listening to one of my favorite nigerian salafis 2days ago and he said those "alfas", when they go to farm(garden) to pick this leafs and that leafs and this root and that root to prepare something, he said they are inviting the Jinn and the jinn is the one they use to proffer the sacrifice. What nonsense is that? Allah clearly said in Sura Khaf that Chapter 39 وَلَوْلَا إِذْ دَخَلْتَ جَنَّتَكَ قُلْتَ مَا شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَا قُوَّةَ إِلَّا بِاللَّهِ " "It was better for you to say, when you entered your garden: 'That which Allah wills (will come to pass)! There is no power but with Allah !'" Is the Sheikh reading the mind of the Alfa?. it is Allah who cures and accepts sacrifice not the jinn. This is how they discourage people. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 6:19am On Aug 23, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Does using herbs by alfa makes him abablawo?. Did you ever make use of prophetic medicines in the Sunnah or you rather go to hospital? How about herbs mentioned in the Quran and hadith, arent they tied with the prophet?(saw). Both Quran and hadith mention herbs, root etc for curing ailments without specifying them. This is where we use our ijtihad and research them. We dont need to find out where, how and when sahaba use the herbs. But if you keep saying sahaba did not go to farm to get leafs etc, then , you are upon bid'a for going to doctor bcus the doctor give you same herbs inform of pills. I have one more example depends on how you reply |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 6:13am On Aug 23, 2016 |
[quote author=Contact17 post=48721942][/quote]Alright. I have heard enough of this,. It is useless to keep talking about this. You said if Alfa recommends xyz conts for chapter of Quran but it is not mentioned by the prophet, is bid'ah. And then said alfa must follow Quran and sunnah. Is the chapter recommended not Quran?. Is Yasin not the word of Allah anymore?. And when i said if prophet(saw) had recommended to recite yasin that much it means it would have been inconvenient for the sahaba. Thats why we see throughout hadith very short dua. It doenst mean a muslim cant do more. If you do more is not bid'a, I am not innovating anything. You dont understand. As for herbalist specializing in leaf medicines etc then, doctors you visit prescribing pills made of leafs is herbalist. Just becus it is a pill doesn't make it any less. In the begining, i distinguished btw jalabi from worship. It is you two that kept talking about bid'a. I was not even thinking of jalabi as worship. I said several times that it is IWOSAN but you two kept talking about bid'a. My case it clear. Make sure you dont get prescribed medicines from the doctor bcus those pills are made of herbs. And the doctor is a specialist which makes him herbalist. Very simple There are prophetic medicines and they have to do with herbs and recitation of Quran. If preparing these herbs makes alfa a babalawo, that's your prerogative. When Allah prescribes herbs for nabi Job(as), did he not know what He was doing? subhanAllah. It is dico that says herbalist specializes in herbs. Not Allah. And many of you people screaming "Quran and Sunnah" do not practice prophetic medicines at all. You rather go to hospitals. Leave the Jalabis alone if you can't help them with proper coordination. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:56am On Aug 23, 2016 |
Contact17:I really hate being told "mischievous", You simply dont understand. we are talking about Quran and Sunnah but you talk about dictionary. What's the use of that? My focus is Quran mentions herbs and that should have clear the air. And i said is the verse in the Quran redundant?. If herbs are for herbalists, then, the pills you take made of leafs and herbs, you should not take them becus they are made by herbalist. Please get you understanding up. I have every right to go to garden and pick up leafs that i know can cure certain ailment. And that would not make me herbalist. It is human that give s the name herbalist as you rightly said according to dico. But Allah said herbs is for healing. You should have understood that without question. PILLS are made from HERBS. Some are even nixed with haram stuff but you wont even know that. So please, i know what I am talking about. I am not going to address hadith about sura fathia. You quoted hadit yourself and now you disputing it?. You agreed with the hadith bcus the prophet(saw) did not object to sahab for reciting sura fathia. Why are you now denying and asking me to proof if the prophet ordered them to recite it?. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:45am On Aug 23, 2016 |
It is clear to me now that if a Muslim is trying to practice medicines in the Sunnah, they get criticized. Thats exactly what salafis have been doing to Sufis. But then, Sheikh Akindele who is Salafi has been doing lots more ruqya like jalabi lately, he gets criticized by Jabata. You are all a joke. And I quoted severely that Qur'an is medicines. Quran is HEALING. And this is both physical and spiritual. There are evidences in the haidth for this. i even cited this in another thread last year. Now dont get me wrong, I dont have problem with anyone visiting hospital but criticizing Muslims here but supporting the same thing when it is non-muslim is hypocrisy. And you can criticize it all you want. There are dalil for counts in the hadith. There are duas not directly mentioned in the hadith that are found int he Quran' it is not bid'a. It is about what you dont know. You cant place hadith over Qur'an. Thats a very wrong approach. And you keep talking about yasin 200x. Thats was used as example not a must and not that i said it was recommended. After all, if anyone wants to make yasin 200x, his niyat is the main thing and that's non of anyone's business. You have no right to tell them it is bid'a. Sura Yasin is the word of Allah. That should have clear the air if truly you believe but you placed hadith first before Qur'an. I will NEVER EVER accept that. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:33am On Aug 23, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Why then you keep saying bid'a when i was talking about medicines? Now you said this is not matter of deen?. I see you brother. Why dont you make use of prophetic medicines in the Sunnah instead of going to christian hospital?. I quoted hadith that the prophet(saw) said for every disease there is cure. That's medicines that we need to research. And i told you over and over that JALABI is medicines but you kept bringing bid'a into it. Now you backtracked saying that visiting doctor is worldly matter. Exactly same with jalabi and I stressed over that the problem is malpractices but you kept bringing worship into it. So next time you see a doctor, you MUST ask him to provide evidence from the Sunna where he gets prescriptions and the counts from. If not, then, you have no right to criticize those who strive to practice the hadith in their jalabi. You only read hadith but you dont practice it, sir. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:27am On Aug 23, 2016*. Modified: 6:22pm On Dec 04, 2016 |
Another example, your problem is, you think you can be like the prophet or the sahaba. Let me give you another example. There is a hadith about reciting i think Alam nashra once and if enemies are coming to you, they wont see you. Now, lexiconkabir and contact79, can you do that in this day and age and enemies wont see you?. Try it and let's see. What you failed to understand is that, the more atrocities exist in the world, the less istijaba which means the more EFFORTs you put in Dua. But your mentality is very rigid and close. Another example is, Sahab could make 2 rakat without thinking of anything except Allah. How many would do that today without our heart diverting?. Yet, Allah curses those who pray but are heedless of prayer. Because of that, Allah gives us LOTS and Lots of opportunities to make nafilat. Nafilat are not just 2 rakat. Nafilat means everything, dua, rakat, charity, salaawat etc. Thats nofilat. These are used to FIX missed or imperfect obligatory salat we made. But you people dont understand anything except Sahih Bukhari said and that's it. This is lazy man methodology. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:16am On Aug 23, 2016*. Modified: 2:02am On Jul 05, 2018 |
It is very sad when i gave Qur'an verses talking about using herbs and the sister said it is for herbalist. What then the verse is doing in the Quran? . Why then did Allah reveal the ayah?. Did he tag it for herbalist?. Well, if you want to follow the prophet(SAW) and sahaba, you should NEVER EVER go to hospital when you sick or someone is sick. All you have to do is recite surah fathia as sahaba did. That's what following them would mean. Or better still, if you visit a doctor, and he prescribes medicine for you to take 2 pills in the morning, 1 pill at night, if you dont ask him how the doctor came about the counts and the prescriptions, then that's hypocrisy. You arent following the sunnah. See the very simple logic? 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:06am On Aug 23, 2016 |
Please can you focus on Jabata? It is irrelevant to keep talking about this if you dont understand very simple thing. This is not about sect. We cant even make solat like Sahaba today talkless of making dua like them. Just focus on Jabata now Qur'an is here as a CLEAR criteria I am bold enough to talk. I know people who share my view here but keep mute for fear of being tagged. And you keep misunderstanding the counts. I simply cited that as example. Dont derail your thread now. Focus on Jabata |
| Education › Re: Students Of Abdu Gusau Polytechnic Fight Over "Insult On Prophet Muhammad" by Empiree: 12:23am On Aug 23, 2016 |
shuggah:There is something called adhab (etiquette) that we learned from our parents, at school and on a daily basis. I don't support reaction by those Muslims but you should understand that even in a civilized country if you make certain derogatory comments about some people like Jews and Black people, you could pay dearly for it either by mobs or the govt. It's not freedom of speech to insult a religious figure revered by millions. Can you understand this very simple lesson? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Truthman2012 by Empiree: 11:40pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Ifeann:https://www.nairaland.com/3129340/antidote-islamophobia-islamophobin 1 Like
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Truthman2012 by Empiree: 11:40pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
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| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 8:32pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
Amoto94:Maybe you should merge your thread here |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 7:42pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
^^^^ To Elaborate, It is proved in Sunnah that everyone who does not clean himself from urine will receive torment in his grave. The Hadith of Ibn Abbas narrated that The Prophet once passed by two graves and those two persons (in the graves) were being tortured. He said, "They are being tortured not for a great thing (to avoid). One of them never saved himself from being soiled with his urine, while the other was going about with calumnies (to make enmity between friends). He then took a green leaf of a date-palm tree split it into two pieces and fixed one on each grave. The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Why have you done so?" He replied, "I hope that their punishment may be lessened till they (the leaf) become dry." In the above Hadith it is clearly defined that the one who does not take precaution against urine deserves the torment of the grave. Imam Ibn Khuzaimah reported in his Sahih on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Prophet said: "The maximum torment of grave is for not avoiding urine", i.e. for not having kept away from urine to touch one's body or clothes. One reason for this torment might be that not cleaning oneself from urine causes ritual impurity and in the state of impurity prayer of the person is not valid so it causes annulment of the prayers which is also another great sin. Allah knows best. |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:31pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
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| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:30pm On Aug 22, 2016*. Modified: 2:06pm On Jul 05, 2018 |
The whole thing's a joke. For instance, Sheik Akindele is a well known specialist in Ruqya. Ruqya is arabic word for medicine or sort which is equivalent to Yoruba's Jalabi. Bunch of Salafis have condemned Jalabi which is technically ruqya. The name(ruqya) and practice is acceptable by muslims bcus it has Arabic undertone. But Jabata is now accusing Sheik Akindele of Shirk. I watched his video you posted during ramadan on Agege thread. He said Sheik Akindele got the dua from the Jinn. Isnt the same thing you and other salafi condemned Jalabi people for? That's, dua that is not recommended by the prophet?. Sheik Akindele being a Salafi himself doesnt see anything wrong with it lately. I guess his understanding of the deen is getting wider and wider now. Now Jabata is doing exact same thing he did. Jabata went astray by saying Jinn giving Sheik Akindele dua is like jinn giving Children of israel magic. He calls the dua magic while in fact the dua that Sheik Akindele recited in Ruqya are clear verses of Allah. Same thing i was telling you. Yes, it is true that Jinn gave him dua to recite to cure his victims. As long as the dua is Allah's word or has general isnad in the Qur'an, ii is absolutely valid. Dont we read the same thing in hadith where Shaytan recommended Ayat Qursiy. So bcus Shaytan recommended it makes it bid'a? No. This is what you people dont understand. I am so thankful to Allah for little understand he bestowed on me. Dua is dua as long as it has isnad (chain) in the Quran. Period. We dont need to search for specific ahadith to give us order before we say a prayer ( voluntary). Shari'a is SUNNAH. SUNNAH is Shari'a 3 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Not Among Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jam'a - A Misguided Preacher by Empiree: 5:08pm On Aug 22, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:See that? See that? See that?. This is how jabata started. I told you before that his ideology sprung from yours - the people who called themselves "salafis" today. Because he has gone overboard is the reason salafi in nija disassociate themselves from him. And no matter how worse he is, he speaks some truth that i can deduce from but i can't accept him as my teacher. In order to authenticate your statement, you have to proof that a muslim believes there is more than one Allah (subhanaAllah). This is what you meant. You are saying that only the salafis are upon tawheed. Tawheed is Oneness of Allah which is basic essence of a muslim. This is what differentiates us from other religions. So how many muslims we have then if salafi are the only muslims?. Alhamdullilah, I liberated myself from such mentality in 2011. I was in salafism for 4 yrs and am over it. It is ideology of shabab(youths) who only understand what they see. Nothing more. They derive themselves from insight. No muslim believes there is more than one God not even Sh'a. Why do you need to condemn ALL sects and purifies yours just bcus you said this incantation "I am a muslim upon the understanding of salafi salih". Saying this phrase doesnt proof anything at all. And what proudlander is saying is not ideology of Quraniyun (hadith rejecters). He is being skeptical of spurious ahadith just like any muslim. As for following the footsteps of sahaba, let me remind you that sahaba are people of SPIRITUALITY. They did not call themselves Salafi. The word salaf merely means predecessors. If anyone calls himself salafi today does not mean he is following them. Sahaba are people of FIRASA. "Hold on to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of my kulafah rashidun" is the same as Allah's SUNNAH, Allah's way. No difference btw them bcus Rosululah (SAW) would NEVER contradict Qur'an and Kulafa Roshidun would NEVER contradict the prophet (Sallalahu Alaiy wasalam). ANd "Sunnah" practices are spread all over hadith collections. Not only Sahih Bukhari and Muslim. There are other 4 shittah used by some muslims, Jabata's takfir is his major error which is very close to that of salafism. Those salafis worldwide have made takfir of people. Same in nija, those who are now condemning Jabata have made takfri of other muslims. They only go against Jabata now after he made takfir of them too like Sheik Akindele 4 Likes |
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