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truthman2012:
Say something if you have any. I have no time for your lying imam.

AlBaqir:
The creator of this theory deserve a phD in eschatology So much theory without a single proof. Masih Dajjal indeed!

AlBaqir:
I mean what does "Christ" has to do exactly with "Dajjal"?

HAkorehdeh:
Doesn't seem English . What language is that?

enieme:
cos asalatu is a halaqah for singing and group dhikr. Not much knowledge is passed on as far as I know.

enieme:
tqs for sharing but won't be able to watch them for some reasons though I sure do understand yoruba.
i still stick to mybpoit as asalatus due tobo what ibknowbofvhem as a kid (we were chronic asalatu goers ). I'd rather attendbislamic lectures.

enieme:
it's not about the gathering. It's about what's done at d gathering.

Imagine instead if the dhikr was replaced as halaqahs? Or just Muslim get together tovdiscuss issues? ivdont see much knowledge to be gained in singing and readig tasbih.

I hope all's well cos I've argued with u several times b4 and iv never seen u assume such tone as u have on so trivial an issue as this.

enieme:
lol. that's d view u hold. I dont hold d same.
so asalatus are a copied traditionbborne out of jealousy for Christians that gather onbsundays and weewear white garments?

enieme:
I wasn't condemning anyone. Just analysing the Islamic rulin on asalats. Someone was curious as regards d ruling. Though I personally don't attend a salatus.
Take a chill pill bro.

enieme:
choosing special dates and clothes to make duke? Reciting dhikr in congregrationbout loudly? Btw most of these asalats are attended by females. It's not about show off but the act itself. It's better to make dhikr by one's self. And I'm sure where u are u also haven't found any such thing as asalats gathering as u woMr find in any religious country xcept nigeria

YourMain:
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesss

YourMain:
Lol you're such a trouble maker

ladej:
I'm well. Following you

Empiree:
@ Fundamentalist, your understanding of Islam is very narrow and rigid. You only holding on to a shell (literal meaning of religious texts). How is "walima" an innovation and how is it forbidden?. Do you even care to learn in-dept meaning of the phrase, walima?.

Concept Of Walima in Islam is basically reception, feast, etc. When you graduate from higher institution, you do celebrate, isn't?. Your graduation at the end of your NYSC is "walima". This is where you are presented certificate and honored as a graduate of xyz university student. This graduation of course is not meant for everyone. Some people may choose not to register and be part of reception. They only prefer to obtain their certificate and done with it.


@ madridguy, it's not mandatory. The Islamic concept of "walima" is simply a reception after completion of recitation of Quran. Some students may choose not to be part of it. Therefore, it is optional.

We are nearing the End Of Time where we now have people with half baked knowledge of Islam. They only hold on to a shell and literal interpretation of islamic texts without iota of ilm. To them, anything not written in Islamic text is either bidah or haram. Such approach is vile.

Prophet(SAW) spoke of those people to arrive in the End Of Time. He said:

"There will come a time upon the Ummat when people will recite the Qur'an, but it will not go further than their throats, (into their hearts)".(Bukhari)

@ Fundamentalist, I am sure you have no problem with secular concept of graduation after completion of their studies. But when it comes to Islam, suddenly it's bidah. What nonsense! Your excuse is "neither prophet(SAW) nor aslaf(RA) did it, therefore, it has no basis in Islam."

Such nitwit approach is quiet elementary.

The Arabic word Walima (banquet) is derived from the root word Walam, which literally means to gather and assemble. The Arabs used it for a meal or feast where people were invited and gathered. Later, the term became exclusive for the wedding banquet.

AlBaqir:
Ma sha Allah. Thanks for being honest for the very first time on this thread. In line with that submission above, further your research and you will discovered that those ahadith that criticized Umar actually exposed the unreliability of those that talked about his Merits.

Obviously the knowledge of Quran and Sunnah are the ultimate knowledge. And apparently according to this hadith on Umar's Merit, he is endowed with knowledge 'of Quran and Sunnah.' So lets verify Umar's competence.

1. Imam Muslim (d. 261 H):

Abd Allah b. Hisham al-Abdi - Yahya b. Sa'id al-Qattan - Shu'bah - al-Hakam - Dharr - Sa'id b. Abd al-Rahman b. Abza - his father:

A man came to Umar and said: "I have seminal discharges and I cannot find water (to perform ghusl)." He ('Umar) said, "Do not perform Salat." So, Ammar said, "Do you remember, O Amir al-Muminin, when I and you were in a military detachment and we had seminal discharges and could not find water and you ('Umar) did not perform the Salat. As for me, I rolled myself in dust and performed the Salat. So, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "It was enough for you to strike the soil with your hands and then blow and then wipe your face and palms." Umar said: "Fear Allah, O Ammar!" Therefore, he (Ammar) replied, "If you so like, I would not narrate it."
Ref: Sahih Muslim, vol.1, p.280, #112

Implication of Umar's judgment

Imam Muslim again records:

Shaqiq: I was sitting with Abd Allah (b. Mas'ud) and Abu Musa (al-Ash'ari). So, Abu Musa asked: "O Abu Abd al-Rahman, what is your opinion: If a man had a seminal discharge and could not find water for one month, how should he do about the Salat? 'Abd Allah replied, "He should NOT perform tayammum even if he cannot find water for a month".

Abu Musa then said, "What about this verse in Surat Maidah said, 'And you cannot find water, then perform tayammum with clean soil?" Abd Allah replied, "If they were allowed on the basis of this verse, there is a possibility that they would perform tayammum with soil even if water were available but cold." So, Abu Musa said to Abd Allah, "Have you not heard the statement of Ammar: "The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, sent me on an errand and I had a seminal discharge, but could not find water. So I rolled myself in the soil just as a beast rolls itself. Then, I came to the Prophet, peace be upon him, then and mentioned that to him and he said: "It would have been enough for you to do thus". Then he struck the earth with his hands once and wiped his right hand with the help of his left hand and the exterior of his palms and his face." 'Abd Allah replied: "Didn't you see that 'Umar was NOT satisfied with the statement of 'Ammar?"
Ref: {Sahih Muslim, vol.1, p.280, #110}

Quran is explicit when Allah says:
And if you are ill, or on a journey, or one of you comes after answering the call of nature, or you have had sexual intercourse with women and you cannot find water, perform tayammum with clean soil and rub therewith your faces and hands {surah Nisa:43; surah Maidah:6}.

So Mr Emp.iree where is "the knowledge" of Umar ibn al-Khattab?

2. Imam Ibn Abi Hatim (d. 327 H) records:

My father (Abu Hatim) - Abu Bakr Muhammad b. Bashar - Ibn Abi 'Adi - Sa'id - Qatadah - Abu Harb b. Abi al-Aswad al-Dili - his father (Abu al-Aswad al-Dayli):

A woman was brought to Umar b. al-Khattab. She had delivered after (only) six months of pregnancy. So, he ('Umar) resolved to stone her to death. This (decision) reached 'Ali. Therefore, he (Ali) said, "She does not deserve any penalty of stoning to death. Allah says: "The mothers shall give suck to their children for two whole years (Quran 2:233)'. This (period of 24months) plus six months equals thirty months (mentioned in Quran 46:15 as the total for both pregnancy and suckling)"
Ref: {Tafsir Ibn Abi Hatim, vol.2, p.428, #2264}

B. Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (S) as saying:

While I was asleep I saw myself on a well with a leathern bucket on a pulley. I drew (water) out of that as Allah wished me (to draw). Then the son of Abu Quhafa (Abu Bakr) drew from it one bucketful or two and there was some weakness in drawing that (may Allah forgive him). Then that bucket (changed into a large bucket) and Ibn Khattab drew it. I did not see any strongest man drawing it like 'Umar b. Khattab. He brought out so much water that the camels of the people had enough to drink and then laid down (for rest)

What's the meaning of this 'dream'? Strength I guess. With whatever meaning it has, it is obvious from the hadith that Umar possess that quality much more than the Prophet and Abu Bakr.

Ahadith are before you how Umar repeatedly ran away from the battlefield. So much was his strength and valor.

# Those three according to Sunni were the best in that pecking order. Therefore to whom much is giving, much is also expected.

# When you use the word "Sahabah", it connotes, according to Sunni definition, ALL of those who profess Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet. Munafiqun whose abode is pit of hell fire [Allah promised] were also Sahabah.

# So there is need to separate grains from chaff. It is an insult upon the righteous Sahabah to group the Munafiqun with them altogether. Allah and His prophet separate them.

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “Some persons from amongst those who kept me company will meet me at the LakeFount (in Qiyamat). I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be forced away from me. I will say: "O my Lord, my Sahabah! My Sahabah ‟. It will be said to me: "You do not know what they INNOVATED after you."

# I respect your as-salatu but I have a bad news for you that what you are doing is Bid'ah.

What is required of you as commanded by the Prophet is O Allah! Bless Muhammad and the household of Muhammad.

# There is no single hadith where the Prophet added "...and the Sahabah". Interestingly NO Sahabah is ever reported to have added that alien phrase. Even if you wish to add the Sahabah as a result of your profound generosity, what is your Niyyat when you say "and the Sahabah?" Does it include all the Munafiqun and the Apostates among them?! In our school, we say "...wa ala Sahabatih al-Akhyar'"!

# Funny enough, you even dare to place the Sahabah first before the Household in your alien Salawat I consider it as Mistake.

# Were they not among the Sahabah who used to keep the Prophet company? This is a critical hadith that suggest everybody around the Prophet as suspect. And a truth seeker is saddled with responsibility of thorough investigation into the life of every companion starting with the heavyweights.

AlBaqir:
Obviously you don't know Shi'i methodology in grading ahadith likewise you know not that of Sunni.

So being a "Sahabah" is an automatic ticket to Jannah irrespective of your credentials?

Imam Bukhari documents:

Ibn Abbas: The Messenger of Allah says:
You will be resurrected bare-footed, naked and uncircumcised.” Then he recited: {As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: a promise We have undertaken. Truly, We shall do it} [Q.21:104]. He continued: “The first to be dressed will be Ibrahim. Then, some of my Sahabah will be taken towards the right side AND (some) TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE. So, I will say: "My Sahabah!‟ It will be said, "THEY HAD BEEN APOSTATES SINCE YOU LEFT THEM.‟ I will then say as the Righteous Servant, "Isa b. Maryam, said: {And I was a witness over them whilst I lived amongst them. But, when You caused me to die, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise} [5:117-118].”

Muḥammad b. Yusuf narrated from Abu 'Abd Allah that Qubayṣah said: “They were those who apostatized during the time of Abū Bakr. So, Abū Bakr, may Allāh be pleased with him, fought them.”

Ref: {al-Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhari (Beirut: Dār Ibn Kathīr; 3rd edition, 1407 H) [annotator: Dr. Mustafa Dib al-Bagha], vol. 3, p. 1271, # 3263}

While Qubaysah [in the above hadith] is giving an impression to absolve the Sahaba that lived with the Prophet, other ahadith dispel this myth of an opinion. For example, Imam Muslim record as reported by Anas ibn Malik:

“The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “Some persons from amongst those who kept me company will meet me at the LakeFount (in Qiyamat). I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be forced away from me. I will say: "O my Lord, my Sahabah! My Sahabah ‟. It will be said to me: "You do not know what they INNOVATED after you.‟
Ref: {Sahih Muslim (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-Arabi) [annotator: Muḥammad Fuad 'Abd al-Baqi], vol. 4, p. 1800, # 2304(40)

Mere Mistakes?! They (the cowards) ran away REPEATEDLY from the battlefield leaving their Prophet for dead! Mere mistakes?! They disobeyed and questioned and doubted the Prophet on many occasions! Mere mistakes?! They planned to assassinate the Prophet! Mere mistake?! They accused him of Raving madness and being possessed by illness thereby denying him of his divine right?! Mere mistake?! After the death of the Prophet, the wage war upon war against his Ahl al-bayt until they were massacred. Mere mistakes?!

E.mpiree you are absolutely something else. Obviously the love of "any Sahabah" is making you to say gibberish. Note brother, The ONLY LOVE that is obligatory upon you that failure to do so is Jahanam is the love of Muhammad and his Ahl al-bayt.

usermane:
Ha, the Hadith AlBaqir quoted are in conflict with the Quran? Then why did your Muhadithun grade them Sahih? I hate to interrupt at this juncture but i believe Al Baqir has a very compelling case.

The verse you keep drawing as vindication of Umar(Quran 9:100) did not rule that the sahabas were perfect on incorruptible, that God is pleased with one today is no guarantee that God will be pleased with him for ever. And for all we know, Umar may not even be one of the Sahabas addressed.

I have said it in the past and will say it again, traditional mainstream Muslims know nothing about their religion. Umar in many Hadith is depicted as a very blood thirsty and aggressive brute often willing to behead his opponent at the slightest provocation. I don't have the references at the moment but i will post the Hadith on this thread once i do. Umar and Abubakar 's aggressive military campaign that led to the fall of the Sassanid and most of the Byzantine empire turned traditional Islam to a invasive military ideology that legislate aggressive warfare to conquer and rule non-Muslim territories that is exemplified by groups like ISIS today

plappville:
See this one dey try to hid by pointing at pope... did the bible said a pope will be white are black? You are a true slave man. In christianity, The color of our skin does not determined our destination after death. But in islam, it does. Wake up and save your generation from this slavery. .