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^Alright. Nothing wrong being by oneself. But sounds like you will eventually need relationship therapy lol

dolphinheart:
It is not a matter of curiousity, what I've learnt so far is that the Islamic laws, ways and practices of it prophet and adherents is not in tandem with the mosaic law, the ways and practices of its prophets and adherents.

Ok, listen bro. There are some differences in their obligatory practices and it's all called "As-salat" i:e obligatory prayer binding on them and their people. It was prophet muhammad(SAW) that perfected everything. Let me give you example. Fasting was mandatory on Moses(AS) but he fasted for 40days. But at the time of Muhammad it was 30days. Point is Fasting was obligatory but manners are different. What are the manners?. At the time of Moses(AS) they would fast from tonight until the following night without break. But at the time of Muhammad it was from dawn until sunset (same day). So Muhammad(SAW) was sent as ar-rahman (mercy) for mankind.

Bottom line however is ALL prophets and messangers came with one and same message i:e La illah ila Allah (There is no deities besides Allah(God). This is the message Jesus(AS) came with.

"And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me." (21:25)

Quran confirms that Jesus(AS) came with same message:

(Qur'an 3:51) Surely, Allah is my Lord and your Lord; so serve Him alone. This is the straight way.'

The thread you directed me to does not address my views .

Well, we add more as we deem fit. I am sure you are yet to review the whole threads. A lots said there. Titles may deceive you because we derailed there back n fourth just like this one. Ask malvis, he knows we discused a lot there

Do those who follow islam follow the mosaic law and Jewish practices as stipulated by moses?.

Message of all prophets and messagers is one and the same which is God Is One. There may be differences in Laws due to places and time. For instance, in Mosaic law, adulterers are to be stoned to death. This is still there in your bible even though it has been interpolated in New Testament. The fact that Jesus(AS) said he did not come to let go Moses's Law defeat Christians argument. So Sharia Law is more magnanimous.

And pls dnt come up with the usual story that the original law giving to moses has been lost or changed, and the real law giving to moses was now re introduced by a foreigner thousands of years later.

^ Prophets Laws dont have to be the same. Laws changed overtime until the time of last and final messanger, Muhammad(SAW). I can give more examples like not eating pork, drink alcohol etc

basilico:
Just for the record Em.piree please tell us why Muslims use SAWS for Muhammad and AS prefix for the other prophets.. assumed muslins.

Well, very simple. Every prophet was sent to their people or certain community. But prophet Muhammad's mission was to the whole world. By the whole we mean everything: Mankind, Jinnkind, Animals, living and non living things. They all recognize prophet Muhammad(SAW).

Not only that, all the previous revealed Holy Books for prophets before Muhammad(SAW), are all in the Quran. Quran summed them all. This means Muhammad(SAW) is universal prophet. No other prophet claim to be sent to the whole world, none.

“And We have sent you (O Muhammad ) not but as a mercy for the Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)” [al-Anbiya’ 21:107]

This is while he receives more blessings from worldwide Muslims. "SAW" denotes Sallah Allahu Alaiy Wasalam i:e Allah's Blessings and Peace Be Upon him. In Arabic it's specifically used for Muhammad. Its English meaning is literally translated and really the same as other prophets.

"AS" denotes Alaiy Salam i:e Peace Be upon him. The former is a more depth and cryptic than the later (in Arabic form).

dolphinheart:
That's the excuse you guys use, "it has been discussed before" , someone has answered the question before", it has already been addressed.". If someone puts an issue in front of me , I either remain quiet, tell the person "I don't know the answer" or that I "refuse to answer the question", or go ahead and give my own post on the view. And if there are post posted on the issue that I'm aware of and agree to its contents, ill direct the person to that specific post or set of posts.

If its been addressed before does not mean it can't be addressed again or re-addressed.

Were you not here some months back?. Definitely you were around. Malvis knows too well what i am talking about. And if you are so curious, then feed yourself (below). In order for Muslims to avoid repetitions, we have put together threads to avoid situation like this.

https://www.nairaland.com/2291292/rebutals-library-solution-recycled-topics

daretodiffer:
I am sorry but I cannot remember where I erred. and I am sorry if it makes you feel somehow. It is my destiny to be aloof, easily bored and love my company unless of course you can excite me. Someone else might try it and regret it but I will not because it is who I am.

No, you didnt err. It's only view. Thats all. You not making me feel 'somehow'. I am fine.

You should respect other people and do not try to force your beliefs on them especially when they neither committing a sin or crime

Lol, you gone far now. Its not about force

daretodiffer:
That is where your are wrong. You need to be in a western country, move with them to know what their culture really is. I don't think you have a clue.

I know them veeeeery well.

I am not talking about having disagreement or argument before divorce.

I am not talking about this either. It's irrelevant

It is getting a divorce based on diminished interest or because I got bored. People bore me and I don't do boring. I am rare breed

Of-course, this can happen. And divorce is an option?. You dont even care you have kids for him and struggle with him like our mothers used to do solely because of their children?. You cant take a break like visit other family members or go on vacation with him and fun lovely time together instead of divorce?.

You cannot tell me anything about polygamy. I know all there si to it both theory and practical.

Alright. It's your life. Live it. I am afraid you gonna have bunch of baby fathers killing themselves over you. Geez

daretodiffer:
I don't think people should be having children with the way things are.

You too have no strong argument against me. Listen, Allah has laid foundation followed by sunnah of rosul(SAW). If we fail in them, we will do the negative and be misrable. We'd better submit to His will and accept whatever destiny has for us. This is ultimate ease.

Sheikh Adam Abdullahi Al-ilory(RA) had a song widely known amongst muslims, goes like this:

Ka gba fo'Loun ni isimi o (3x)

Aigba fo'Loun ni yonu

Kadara ki ko laigba

ka gba fo'Loun ni Isimi

malvisguy212:
yes, anything I do as long as my attitude is right with God .

Joke!
Where in your Bible Jesus(AS) did any of these "particular attitude" [i:e dancing, druming, jumping, screaming, dramatizing, speak in tongue]

dolphinheart:
Same worship practised by moses same as the one praticed by mohamed!?
Where did mohamed practise the sacrifice of animals as done by moses.
Where did moses allow sex with slaves as allowed by mohamed.
Where did mohamed allow the release of slaves as it is speculated in the mosaic law.
There are many more differences and modifications between the mosaic law and its mode of worship and the sharia law and muslims mode of worship and yet you say they are the same.

Abeg, we all know that the Islamic laws and practices are a modifications of mosaic , secular Arabian, babylonian laws and practices and rituals.

You obviously not being honest with yourself. Wont waste my time with analysis. Everything you tainted up there are actually discussed at various threads months ago.

daretodiffer:
There are many men who have allowed themselves to be influenced, maybe if they realise that there is a lot to lose they might just be willing to use the brains instead of let the society decide for them.

I do not mind being alone or I could just get marry and divorce and marry again. You do prefer the latter, don't you?

@underlined resembles typical western culture. You gonna end up having lots of baby daddies Congratulations!

I think you have wrong notion of what polygamy is. Maybe you need revision on it.

usermane:
I was hesitant to reply you initially because your posts or ideas lack of originality, packed with straw man arguments rehearsed by apologists, rather than thinkers. Your swift conclusion that anyone critical of polygamy is tolerant of side chick tells how severely hypnotized by traditional clerics you are.

Yes, you hesitant because my point caught you off guard . You obviously said nothing. You have no counterclaim. hahaha i got you man.

@bolded is pretty much your opinion. You know too well many tolerate side chick right there in Nigeria over marriage especially Christians. That's why marriage is getting more difficult. In America, a married man without side chick is like dinner without side dish. It a norm now. Yet they overwhelmingly object to polygamy. You have nothing to say my friend.


THE AGONY OF MONOGAMY- BY TOLA ADENIYI
http://folasophical.com/?p=1965

dolphinheart:
You tried, but you failed to link parttern and ways in ur effort to find a problem.
Maybe you dnt really understand , ill try again. Their are examples, patterns and guides set in the scriptures as to how jehovah wants people to worship him. These are stated so that they will not go overboard in their zeal or do things that god does not approve. The overall reasons for these is for people to worship him with truth. If there worship is not based on truth, humility, peace, love, longsuffering, honesty, then it is not right, and those things mentioned are not specific, dnt follow timetable or one particular way. It is the heart of the builder of a place of worship that jehovah looks at when he or they decide to build a monument or a simple structure as place of worship.

bla bla bla. Patterns indeed. Goodluck man. You got problems. Way of worship brought by Jesus (AS) was the same one practiced by Moses(AS) and prophet before him. It is the same way of the prophet muhammad(SAW). We see this in your Bible but you people simply snubbed.

malvisguy212:
“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and
truth” John 4:24.

the bible say worship God in spirit and truth. it simply means a particular attitude,i.e. to worship God in a ‘spirited’ or wholehearted manner.

Whats that "particular attitude" i:e dancing, druming, jumping, screaming, dramatizing, speak in tongue etc which one?

daretodiffer:
The funny thing is I have a personality that makes me easily bored. I get bored with people. I can be all over you face today and tomorrow I will ignore you. I like varieties and mixing with different people. I am very scared of marriage because of that. For me to let go of that to commit to him, I expect the same. If he can't, he just might me moving on with a full smile on my face. Qur'an, video games, and my career are more than enough, I don't even need friends or family.

He can decide to let go of a perfect wife to satisfy his curiosity or stick to me regardless. His choice.

Have you considered the fact that most married women also feel the same however the ONLY constraint for most is religion, perhaps the society too.

Polygamy is a choice so is marital affair.

Well, there are some men (few) out there who definitely fit your personality. You may just have hard time getting one. Humm, you going to be alone for a long time sister.

malvisguy212:
Christians don't have specific way of worship,any christians who worship contrary to what the bible say , he is not a christians.

[quote author=dolphinheart post=39174305Christians are not giving a mode of worship like you guys. They are followers of Christ and follow the pattern set by jesus and that of his early disciples.

What patterns and which way contrary to the Bible?. If there are patterns i:e way of worship, then, what and how is it done?. And where is reference from you Bible cus your buddy malvis said Bible stipulates way to worship. How did disciples worship and who did they worship?

dolphinheart:
P[size=3pt]rophet mo said they build the places of worship at the graves of their prophet. Your prophet fails to prove this as true and neither did your website.
You guys have spread the chances of one being declared a Christian prophet so that you can possibly find one man in which this statement is fufilled, he did not mention one,and u have still brought out non.

There were graves in which some false christians in the early centuries gave reference due to their false ideology, but they did not build places of worship their!

There are places of worship in which people are also buried in the compound, but it is not a graveyard that has a place of worship built on it, but a place of worship that has a graveyard built around it. Do you get the difference? The place of worship was not built because it was a grave for any Christian prophet!.
If you find those places of worship where you have graves, it was the place of worship first , followed by the graves(probably of members).
Even false christians know where to draw the line.

Mo has given you guys an opportunity to always speculate, manouver and choose the best possible answer as the correct one just to show others that ur prophet is right. How has he done this, he did it by not being specific and detailed in his statements.
I did follow the thread on camel urine, fly wings and ishmail and found out that the non addition of data that can be used to find out if mo is right or wrong are not there, as he deliberately removes time, date, names, location, reasons and other vital info .

They pray according to their hearts desire and not controlled by time and season, their salvation is not dependent on how many times they pray , but on their heart condition. Praying in the cleanest place hundred times a day does not guarantee that ur prayers will be heard cus jehovah who sees the heart and emotions of man uses that to determine the truthfullness of our actions and not by the outward display of holy actions. If allah determines your worship of him by timed response and rituals, then......, but followers of Christ aren't like that.

Lastly, that an organization or individual say they are christians does not mean they are Christ followers or that they do things according to the scriptures , thus use the scriptures to determine next time.[/size]

daretodiffer:
No, I am comfortable with being the ONLY ONE

Then you are deceiving yourself. Thats worst. If he sense you are not up to the task anymore and you know it, and he realize you not going to allow second choice, then he will marry sidechick outside or simply get a side-chick prego. That will pain you so much cus you will eventually know about it. Why are we deceiving ourselves when the Lord God who understands better than us already set things right?.

Same thing western countries do. They reject polygamy but have no problem with side chicks.

daretodiffer:
I don't he has a sex addiction.

Neither do I. It's in our nafs and it's halal. Period

The problem with him is that he has had sex and he is finding it hard to stop. Getting married to a woman he cares about is the solution.

Simple. Thats just it.

There is no need for polygamy.

Yes, not compulsory. But that as well is allowed if nature calls for it.

Besides, when you said there is no need for poly, are you comfortable with your man having a side-chick?

daretodiffer:
It is not a lady thing and it is not normal in this situation.

Care to explain in what situation exactly?.

usermane:
BS, there are sex addicts who are married. You seem to assume that marriage is an ultimate fix for sex addiction or sex addiction under marriage is not a problem.

Your view now and I respect it. But you wrong, sir. If specialists can cure such a thing, then Western world where sex addicts fluctuate would have been a thing of the past. But no, your very same trusted doc would rape you first.

@underlined, do you even preview before posting? It easy to see why your creed is so patriarchal.

You have problems with underlined?. Well, side-chicks okay with you?

daretodiffer:
I agree with all your points except the polygamy part.

Ladies thing. That's normal.

plappville:
RUBBISH prophecy. So you are happy they are suffering because you trust its a prophecy from that copy and past prophet? I pity you. Did he also prophecy the problems in the northan part of Nigeria by Bokoharam ?
Many Nigerian from the north are refugees in the West.
So this is why Saudi has refused them from entering

Tell me about this prophecy please..

When you start thinking from your brain kindly let me know. Thanks

^^^^^^Lol.

plappville:
It shameful to see muslim write or say Muhammad (PBUH) why should peace be upon a person who has caused so much misery in the lives of many? I saw last night again on the media. Many Syrian migrants under the rain in a weather as cold as 4° (degree). Women with infants. After a long trek to arrive at a European no mans land. They are frustrated and hungry and dieing of cold. Some Europeans states have accepted so many now they are rejecting them. Germans are demostrating saying they dont want mirants to come in again. They even contesting that the goverment should s3nd back the ones already in. Hungary has shut thier borders. These people are suffering because of Islam. And you are here saying peace be upon he that brough problems to others.?
I say let [s]Stress be upon him Muhammad (SBUH) OR trouble be upon him (TBUH) voilà[/s]

Pele. You are pained. Well, Syria issue is another subject entirely. To understand that you need the study of ilm akhir zaman.

Now, here is what prophet Muhammad said with respect to Syria in the Last Age.

According to two narrations in Sahih Bukhari, Muhammad(SAW) asks Allah to bless the areas of Bilad al-Sham (Syria) and Yemen. When his companions said "Our Najd as well," he replied: "There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there will come out the side of the head (e.g. horns) of Satan." In a similar narration, Muhammad(SAW) again asked Allah to bless the areas Medina, Mecca, Sham, and Yemen and, when asked specifically to bless Najd, repeated similar comments about there being earthquakes, trials, tribulations, and the horns of Satan.

The hadith:


"O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam(Syria). O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, "There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from there appears the Horn of Satan."

So mrs plap, dont get frustrated. As pitiful and painful as it is, seeing innocent people caught up in this mess could mean blessings in disguise. So Muhammad(SAW) is a mercy for mankind. That's all.

daretodiffer:
I am sorry but unless you are a woman, please refrain from speaking for us.

Every woman wants to be seen as a sex object however it depends on the context. In any other contexts aside from marriage is derogatory. A wife is a bed mate, a confidant, a mother and a helper.

lol....true talk. He's right too but why deceiving himself? . I don't understand that. The best option is getting married. All these other remedies he put forward are correct as well, but at the end of the day, guy is going to be alone thinking over sex again and do what his nafs tells him.

We need to stop deceiving ourselves. Even though fasting is recommended, I swear far less people can do that. The reason this will not work in most cases is bcus it's simply not mandatory unlike Ramadan which compels us to abstain. As a matter of fact, considering op's situation, fast is one of the last options.

Marriage preceded everything else. Marrying to avoid Zina does not denotes woman marrying addict. No, sir usermane. And yes, if a woman isn't enough, take one more. It's halal

As for psychologist doctor he recommended, throw that in the garbage. That's not gonna work.

malvisguy212:
muhammed was GREATLY misled by some christians sect

How?

there are many things in the quran he got wrong concerning the christians doctrine,for example he say the christians worship Mary Jesus and God and call it trinity,were did he got this idea from? yes muhammed mention trinity in the quran but the bible never mention it , the bible only indicate it.

You getting confused again?. Now, you digressed after evidence of early christian grave worshipers was presented. Go on.

I really dont feel like going back to this again. This was dealt with in rilwayne001's thread. So christians who believe in "trinity", dont they proved it from the Bible?. Or you forgot your mistress ifeann proving trinity from the Bible some months back?. From Isalmic point of view, it was only warning that you desist from trinity i:e the worship of "three gods "father son and holy spirit" from some christian perspectives. You may not be a trinitarian. That's okay. Yo may disagree with them. That's non of my biz

Muhammed mistook two different women , Mary and Miriam, all this are evidence that muhammed was greatly misled by some christians sect.

What is this bs @ bolded?. The only Miriam/Mariam/Maryam associated with Jesus(AS) is Maryam i:e mother of Jesus. What the nonsense you spew up there?. And who are those deviant christian sects?

Muhammed was right to condemned the worship of prophet in their grave

Now, you admit that he was right when he cursed Jews and Christians for building their house of worship over graves after I provided evidence to support my claim. So now you know.

BUT he was wrong for accusing the christians and Jews of this acts.

I honestly dont know how many times I have to say this. That it was possible not entire Christendom did that at the time. It could have been notable factions amongst them. It is like when other countries accuse Nigerians of drug smuggling. Does that means all Nigerians do drugs?.

were did he got this idea from?

The fact that some christians at that time did it was enough to categorise the hadith authentic. The article I provided concur. http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy/rome-catacombs

amazingly the muslims build mosque on his tomb.

Seems like you dont read btw lines. This was already explained up there as well. Read it again http://islamqa.info/en/65944

Ziyarat is used to refer to a form of pilgrimage to sites associated with Muhammad:

Ziyarat of Rasulullah 's Holy Qabr (grave)
is the highest of Mustahab acts.
Therefore those who proceed for Haj
should consider it incumbent upon
themselves to make the Ziyarat. In order
to understand the importance and
significance of the journey to Madinah
Munawwara, it is necessary to recite
some Ahaadith of Rasulullah . As long as
the significance, sanctity and importance
of Madinah Munawwara are not
embedded in the heart, the visitor will
not be in position to correctly discharge
the rights of the Sacred Visit to the Holy
City.

And whats your problem with ziyarat?. You sure have no clue what you really want. Nothing wrong visting graves and saying salaams.

Christians don't have specific way of worship,any christians who worship contrary to what the bible say , he is not a christians

And how did Jesus order you to worship?. Can you please categorically tell?. Many christian churches worship differently and each sect or church dare not worship at another's. Protestant dare not worship with catholic, Deeper life dare not worship with Cele

You all worship differently.

plappville:
That Muhammad (SBUP) was right?

"Sallam Allahu Alaiy Wasalaam" 'SAW' - peace be upon him). I DO NOT KNOW WHAT "SBUP" means to you.

dolphinheart:
Prophet month said : they build (to construct)the places of worship at the graves(a location) of their prophets(known individuals) . Can you guys give us examples of these constructions.? Cus I dnt think he said they worshiped at the grave as some are trying to imply.

Yea, right. Tell them. Besides, this might be historically connected. Mode of worship have changed overtime in christianity. As you guys can see, you Christians don't even worship synchronously and meticulously today unlike Muslims. Obligatory salat is the same everywhere.

@malvisguy212 , I am not accusing you of worshiping grave. However, there are pieces of evidence to suggest the hadith of the prophet(SAW) was correct. I said earlier that it doesnt really have to be all christians prophet was referring to. It could have been faction(s) amongst them seemingly-notable enough for the Muhammad(SAW) to have condemned building House of worship over graves. Read below article gives a clue of possible early Christians built their churches over graves of saints and worship them. But with time, I believe, with emergence of "Protestant Christianity", the act faded away.
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy/rome-catacombs

Fundamentalist:
I don't understand why people would waste their precious time arguing with AL baqir.



Smh


.. .. .. Walks out of thread

You dont address your fellow muslim like that. Thats very rude. This is scholarly discussion. Be reasonable brother. I dont usually agree with Albaqir but kindly present your view and he presents his. Thats all.

plappville:
Wast of time. Bring proof from the bible. Example, You accused me of stealing your tv. To prove this you should find your tv in my hand/house. If u cannot find it with me then. You lied against me. As simple as ABC.

Proof what?

malvisguy212:
NO the post did not by NO mean answer my question, were did muhammed got the idea, "christians and Jews build temple on there dead prophet tomb" ?

Maybe you need to re-read my post. Anyways, here is the hadith again and its meaning:

Aisha and Abdullah bin Abbas (Radhiyallahu Anhum) narrated that when the last moment of the life of Rasulullah (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) came he started putting his Khasmisa on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, “May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (The narrators says) Rasulullah was warning (the Muslims) of what those (Jews and Christians) had done.


Meaning of the hadith:

The word La’nat means to be far from the mercy of Allah. The Muhaditheen explain that the reason why Rasulullah (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) said this was that the time for Rasulullah (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) to leave this world was close at hand and he did not desire that his Ummah imitate the Jews and Christian by making his grave also into a place of worship. The reason why he disliked the grave becoming a place of worship is that sooner or later people start worshipping the grave itself. The whole mission of Rasulullah (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) was to eliminate Shirk and turn people towards the oneness of Allah. How could he have approved that his grave becomes a means for people to do shirk? Therefore such stern words were used so that people refrain from coming close to Shirk. In another Hadith it comes:

Abu Hurairah narrates that Nabi (Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam) supplicated, “O Allah, do not make my grave into an idol. Allah’s curse be upon that nation who mad the graves of their Prophets into a place of worship. (Musnad Imam Ahmed)

And there are many numerous ahadith that report this:

He (PBUH) also said: “When a righteous man died among them, they would build a place of worship over his grave and put those images in it. They are the most evil of mankind before Allaah.” (Al-Bukhaari, 427; Muslim, 528)

He(PBUH) said: “Those who came before you took the graves of their Prophets and righteous people as places of worship. Do not take graves as places of worship – I forbid you to do that.” (Narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh, 532, from Jundab ibn ‘Abd-Allaah al-Bajali).

As for historical Jews and Christians whom the prophet(SAW) referred to could not have meant all Jews and all Christians. Most likely extremists amongst them at the time and it was obvious. For Muhammad(SAW) to utter such statement and warned us not to imitate Jews and Christians, as far as i am concern it means worshiping graves by Jews and Christians was prevalent at that time.

Below article, question posed at a Jew. Historical account of Jewish worship via the graves of saints and Prophets

Question:
Are there any examples in the Jewish history of Jewish people falling into worshiping the dead saints and prophets in their tombs ?

Also, does building Tomb and concrete structures over the graves of prophets and saints open a door to idol worship, Shituf, or Avodah Zarah? Have past or current Jewish people have fallen into this trap?

There is a pointer to this fact in many Muslim narratives like this one:

"Beware of those who preceded you(Jews and Christians) and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that." [Sahih Muslim 1:1083]

Answer:
Jews often pray at the graves of righteous people. One popular site, for example, is Me'aras HaMachpelah, the biblical grave of many of the forefathers. It seems that Muslims also pray there, though perhaps don't use the place as a mosque.

However, praying to a person is absolutely forbidden as much as idolatry. If there are any historical accounts of a Jew doing so, they are of a transgressor. The Kitzur Shulchan Aruch (128:13) makes this clear:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26114/historical-account-of-jewish-worship-via-the-graves-of-saints-and-prophets

plappville:
[s]Stop dodging by changing diverting the thread. Muslims are cursed see proof in the air..

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