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And again...your God was circumcised

Luke 2:21New International Version (NIV)

On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.

You sure this is God?



Your God circumcised like you and I

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Hey Op, look, your God was from a woman and nursed like a baby.

Luke 11:27New International Version (NIV)

"As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”

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^ calm down miss. How good polygamy is depends on your husband and yourself, too. As always, its not mandatory

AlBaqir:
This is where you need to be man:
www.nairaland.com/1963721/how-get-rid-jinn
www.nairaland.com/1116143/jinn-stories

So many have been discussed in these links: problems, experiences and of course suggestions as per cure/solution. Devout your time to surf the links because so many have been discussed there.

Fi aman Illah (Allah be with you).

I dont forget. I still do research on this we talked a lot about. Their proper name seems to be 'ruhaniyun'.

I found this http://laeeqdesigns..com/2008/11/angels-superiority-to-one-another.html

I got more fact-finding but i will keep it for now. Research continues...

rubbish!^

POPdecorator:
yes he's a messenger to all mankind




angel were send to prophect while prophect were send to human kind


or angel sent to mankind in ur buybull?

common sense, isn't

talkingtruth:
You know much and that is why you could not defend your religion in:

https://www.nairaland.com/2317388/does-allah-choose-messengers

oh this thread, it's DOA. Very simple and clear verses. What is the point clarifying clarity. Trying to convince you is like pouring water in a basket.

talkingtruth:
what I have known about shia muslims will give me a guide on how to discuss with them. Period.

you know nothing.

talkingtruth:
Okay, noted.

Okay, so will you embrace Islam if albaqir give you dawah(introduce you to Islam?). Because you have acknowledged him as true mMuslim

malvisguy212:
a wise man who cannot discern lies is indeed a foolish man. Allah say he did not send angel prior to the coming of muhammed meaning angel Gabriel was sent by the true God and not Allah.

@ underlined, malvis, i thought you would be smarter than self proclaimed 'talkingtruth'. Too bad...just too bad.

Oooh, i got you now. I understand your paragraphy 3 now. This post of your is beautiful. Forget about true2god. The guy dey mesmerize. I like the hadith you paraphrased about dates. Just learning about for the first time. That's nice one.Hadith about dates seems to be saying "use your intellect"

AbuuUsaamah:
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Thank you so much my brother, Empiree, for your observation. May Allah love you. By Allah, I do not give a damn about the OP's feeling! I am one of those who are soft and merciful towards my Muslim brothers and sisters, but hard on the infidels. I practise the sunnah; I grow my beards, I practice nisfussaq (hanging the hem of my trousers halfway between the knee and the ankle), and I even dip flies in my food whenever they fall in it. I love the Prophet and I'm proud of his sunnah! And let me repeat this: I am hard on the infidels!!!

So don't think I'm an apologetic Muslim. I did not say all that I said because I had a feeling of complex practising the sunnah, or because I felt the sunnah was not for the modern day Muslim. Rather, I said them because I knew what I was saying.

Now, the main issue: Is there wisdom in everything the prophet says? Wallahi, there is. But mind you, I say, if it is outside the realm of how to worship Allah, or issues which are solely of the deen, then it is investigable. I repeat, it is investigable. Whatever the prophet says outside 'how to worship Allah' is investigable, but valid till it is proven otherwise.

Let me bring this closer to you - Although, I can't remember the hadith verbatim - when the prophet saw some people planting the date (dabinu in Hausa) seeds in a way that they would separate the seeds from each other, he asked them to plant the seeds together and the people obeyed him. But when it was time for harvest, they went back to him and said: "O prophet of Allah, the dates you asked us to grow in that particular manner you mentioned did not grow at all" and he replied them saying: "I only advised you, you are more knowledgeable of the issues of your worldly life".
"أنتم أعلم بأمور دنياكم. "
This hadeeth is classified as saheeh by Al 'alaamah al-albaaniyy.


Take not of that remark " you are more knowledgeable of the issues of your worldly life". What was he trying to say? It was that Allah had not sent him to teach them how to plant dates, and on a bigger scale, how to attend to the pure issues of this worldy life, which include, but not restricted to : farming, engineering and medicine.

Understand this brother; when the prophet told them to plant in that manner, he didn't say Allah ordered them to. And wallahi, if he had said so, there'd be no doubt as to whether it was the best way of planting the seeds or not, because Allah knows everything but the prophet doesn't.

This issue, clearly, was not an issue of how to worship Allah, where one might say that he definitely was correct, without having to investigate. After all, when Allah said in the Quran that: " the prophet does not talk out of his desires, except that it was revealed to him by Allah. " [Chapter 53, verse 3], if Allah had meant that there was nothing the prophet said that he had not revealed to him, it would mean that in this issue of planting the dates as well, It had been revealed to him, and at the end of the day, he was wrong, which would imply that Allah too was wrong. It is clear from this verse that what Allah intended was issues of the deen; how to worship Allah and everything that relates to that.

This was however an issue of the worldly life. So I say - and I have my Salaf in this saying - that the prophet can make mistakes when it comes to worldly issues. This is also the response of the permanent committee for Islamic affairs in the KSA when they were asked if the Prophet ever made mistakes. Please check 'Islam q and a' for this issue.

The prophet was not a medical doctor. And as much as I love the prophetic medicine, I always say that if orthodox medicine scientifically faults anything in it, I would go for orthodox. Mind you, I said if it scientifically 'faults'. Do not compare the Prophet with orthodox doctors when it comes to medicine, or compare him with engineers when it comes to how to build a house. That is not the prophet's realm, his realm is basically how to teach us to earn Allah's pleasure in this world and the next.

All I've said does not mean that I do not believe in prophetic Medicine. I do, as long as orthodox medicine does not fault it. I repeat, the prophet wasn't a doctor or engineer. He did not come to teach us engineering or medicine. He came to teach us our deen.

Please understand this; As regards the issue of dipping flies in my food, I have done that so many times because I believe what the prophet said, and I have never researched this issue from the medical aspect. But if one day, I get convincing proof that it is medically wrong, I will drop it.

Up till now, I have not gotten that proof and I do not even believe the OP's claim. So dipping flies in my food remains as a sunnah, and I will continue doing it. And to you OP, I don't give a damn about how you feel about it.

One last thing, my brother, Empiree. I am not of those people who believe that the hadeeth should not be followed because it contradicts the Qur'an, or because it is not the direct words of Allah, and thus can not be given the same reverence as the Qur'an. I believe that the hadeeth explains the Qur-an and that no one can have full understanding of the Quran without understanding the hadeeth. I am a student of knowledge and know the importance of the hadeeth. I also believe that the authenticity or otherwise of a hadeeth should not be based on how we feel about the hadeeth, but rather, on it's classification, after looking at its matn and sanad.

بارك الله فيكم وجزاكم عني خيرا

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talkingtruth:
Utter nonsense!

Allah said he did not send any but MEN as messengers before Muhammad. Is that true?

I am trying to diagnose what your problem is exactly. Can you tell?

What exactly is confusing to you in the verses you quoted?. There are messangers among human like Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad(PBUT).

There are also messangers among Angels like Jubril(Gabriel), Mikail(Michael), Israfil, and Asrail. They have their assorted tasks. So what's confusing you?

talkingtruth:
If hadiths are more reliable, why do you guys say many of them are fabricated?

Who fabricated them?

Who ever said any part of the bible is fabricated?

Why is the quran so inconsistent, is it not due to fabrications by the scribes or deliberate attempt by allahh to deceive mankind?

who told you that?. You are a christian so you have no idea of classification of hadith. So go and take your sit. @ underlined, that's just you opinion. Take your sit

talkingtruth:
@ AlBaqir

Warn that your fanatical brother, shahydbinaliyu who said he would be eating flies before he kills himself o!

Now, I read your post in the muslim section on science of hadiths. I noticed it was hypocritical. As far as you are concerned, any hadith that can be faulted is fabrication. How can you term as a fabrication hadith written by authentic writters, which you accept their other writings that favour islam as correct? That is double standard.

I said this on the first page actually

E.mpiree:
The way to agree or disagree with hadith is through classifications.

@underlined, is talking about if hadith is Sound, Good, Weak, Fabricated. I am not in position to really say whether it's a fabricated hadith or not. And I dont know its classification either. I have to check that. alBaqir could be right though. And if it's a fabricated hadith, (which probably the case) because of the verse of Quran quouted by baqir, then it's not from the prophet(saw). And Allah knows best

As for what to do with it, well, it stays there. Maybe in another century, it will vanish. Hadith resembles Bible where different folks narrated stuff. But hey, even hadith is more reliable than Bible because most hadith narrators are known by their first and last names. No offence intended.

Booshman:
Hello there, I would have posted this question in the religion section, but it seems more of a cultural one. Anyway, I was reading up on Traditional Yoruba religion (Animism) yesterday, and I read a section that talked about some of the spirits from Yoruba folklore/mythology. Folklore/mythology being a topic I love. It went in depth with some different types of spirits, but for others like, the Egbere, it didn't give more than a name. Does anyone have any information on such a spirit? Or know of a source that talks more about (non-Orisha) Yoruba folklore/mythology?

Thanks for your time. 

I found this for you.
http://www.mojidelano.com/2013/11/when-folklore-meets-reality-bush-baby.html

AlBaqir:
Yes. I like it the way you put it "animal product". Absolutely not their excretion (urine and sh*t). Islam forbids these because they are impure.

Agree

^ that's fair enough albaqir. But understand that some of these modern medicines contained animal products including but not limited to their sh*t itself.

Good one. Congratulations!

truthman2012:
Let's talk about the Flies issue now. Em.piree, how many times have you dipped flies into your soup and drink?

You contradicted hadith you quoted. It doesn't say to deliberately catch a fly and deep it in drink. It says IF... that's a clause.

When I was growing up however, there used to be flies. I think we used to call them " esusu". Bunch of them in my food and water and I ate them. Yum Yum... very nutritious. I love it

MrPristine:
And since when did your quoran become a credible source of information

570AD

talkingtruth:
Do the threads include dipping flies into your drink?

yes, i think. I think Abuamam and popdecorator opened separate threads on it. I just glanced through quickly yesterday but did not read details. https://www.nairaland.com/2313729/scientific-evidence-support-islamic-medicine#2313729.4 and this https://www.nairaland.com/2314635/prophet-muhammads-hadith-fly-confirmed

truthman2012:
There are always disagreements when falsehood is in open display.

Let's talk about the Flies issue now. This is the main subject of the thread. Emp.iree, how many times have you dipped flies into your soup and drink?

Falsehood?. Where is it?. Only God is All knowing. The brother may not be aware of it scientific/medical benefits. What's falsehood in that ? Anyway, i see 1 or 2 people already opened threads yesterday answering your op. If i can find them i shall mention your moniker

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You okay now?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Some christians have said that the girls should abort the pregnancy. Some say that there should be no abortion. There have also bee suggestions towards having some rehabilitation centres for the girls.

[quote author=Em.piree post=33742793]I have to be by my library to respond to this. I'm far from there now. So kindly bear with me.[/quote]First all, I like to thank you for bringing this up. It should serve as awareness for muslims leaders and organizations in Nigeria. I am of the opinion that various muslim organization should also speak up and even take active role in this terrible situation. I dont think they should leave this for government to handle or any other religious entity for obvious reason.

Now, as for whether it is morally, ethnically and islamically justified to abort the girls pregnancies or not, i have to look in to Islamic sources and opinion of scholar(s) on this. Let me first say that if this whole hullabaloo surrounding Book Haram kidnappings of Chibok girls is true, it is very wrong. They can never justify their loutish behavior in Islam because their is no one waging war on them for their religion(if any). Second, they kidnapped the very same people they "shared" religion with. So how then could they have claimed Islam permits them to enslave young girls. To make matter worse they impregnated these girls. This is simply kidnapping and rape case.


Pertaining to abortion, the basic principle concerning it is that it is unlawful. But, undoubtedly, raping a Muslim woman by an evil enemy is a strong reason for the victim to have an abortion. Moreover, there is nothing wrong with a Muslim woman who has suffered this disaster to keep the fetus without getting rid of it. The clearest Qur’anic command on this issue is in {2:228} If they believe in God and the Final Day, it is not permissible for them to suppress what God has created in their wombs. http://quran.com/2/228 On the basis of this verse, among other evidence, most Muslim scholars concluded that abortion is unlawful except in some very narrow exceptions. A clear majority of the scholars considered abortion to be a destruction of life and a serious offense against life, and therefore, a major sin.


Some scholars, however, were of the opinion that abortion is permissible up to a certain point some arguing that abortion is permissible up to 40 or 42 days (this is the position of some Shafi’i jurists) or up to 120 days (the position of some Shafi’i and Hanafi jurists). But most of the jurists who argued for the permissibility of abortion (whether under the 40, 42, or 120 day rule) also contended that unless justified by a health necessity, abortions are reprehensible or disfavored (makruh).

I want to stress that the crux of the matter for the jurists who did allow abortion centered around the issue of when or at what point the embryo becomes a human being or is endowed with a soul. Different jurists relied on or were persuaded by different kinds of evidence, but fundamentally, it is this belief about when an embryo or fetus becomes a human being or can be said to possess life that justified the different time limits (whether 40, 42, or 120 days).

I must tell you that, personally, I am not persuaded that there is any clear yardstick or solid basis upon which one can confidently conclude that life begins after 40 or 42 or 120 days. It seems to me that once conceived an embryo, fetus, or whatever it is at a particular stage development, enjoys a right to life or more precisely, a right to the potential or opportunity of life, and that this right should not be interfered with unless there is a compelling necessity to do so. It does seem to me that the majority position banning abortions (except in a set of limited circumstances) is better supported and is more consistent with the Qur’an and Sunna and Islamic ethics.

There are some jurisprudential precedents in favor of the permissibility of terminating a pregnancy in cases of hardship that did not rise to the level of health necessity as long as the termination took place within the first 120 days (for instance, in cases of rape, pregnancy of minors etc.).

In my view, and according to most jurists, abortions under these circumstances still would be unjustified or unlawful. As I am sure you know, God instructs us not to kill our children out of fear of poverty. We ought to pray that God help us provide for our families and to present us with whatever is best. God teaches us to accept God’s judgment in our lives with a level of serene humility, while reminding us that we may want something very badly but ultimately God knows what in fact prove to be in our interest or against it. This is why God says: you may dislike something intensely but God makes it a great source of goodness and blessing in your life.

Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi once said in his fatwa:

“Many Muslim women have become a target for the scavenging wolves of humanity, who do not fear Allah or any deterrent. Any woman who, despite doing her utmost to resist these thugs and their ilk, is raped is not guilty of any sin, for the situation is beyond her control, and anyone who is forced to do something is not guilty of sin,...."

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: 'Allah has forgiven for my Ummah their mistakes, what they forget and what they are forced to do.' (Reported by Ibn Majah)

Any Muslim woman who has fallen prey to a rapist will be rewarded for bearing this calamity with patience, if she seeks Allah’s reward for the harm that has befallen her. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said 'No stress or exhaustion befalls the Muslim, nor worry or distress, even a thorn which pricks him, but Allah will expiate for his sins because of that.' (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi also said in his fatwa:

"With regard to abortion, the basic principle concerning abortion is that it is unlawful (haram), as I have clarified in previous fatwas; it is not allowed from the moment of conception when it becomes a new being and is placed in a place of safety, i.e., the womb, even if this being is the result of an unlawful relationship such as adultery......

Undoubtedly raping a Muslim woman by an evil enemy is a strong reason for the victim and for her family to have an abortion, for she will hate this fetus, the result of this iniquitous attack, and she will want to get rid of it. So this dispensation is to be given because of necessity, especially in the first days of the pregnancy. But this case of necessity should be determined by religious scholars, doctors and people of wide experience and wisdom. Otherwise, the original rule (of prohibition) should be applied."

So I gave my thought and opinion of a well known scholar of Islam. I am of the opinion that the girls must have distend by now. This should automatically rule out abortion because it may pose life threatening situation.

On Rehabilitation, I truly wish Muslim organisations across Nigeria should take lead on this even if they have to source from government. Although, I do not trust Nigeria govt for one second in this case of Book Haram. I do not believe those guys are alone. In my opinion, they should keep their pregnancy and give birth. I should be back here later to elaborate on rehab. I just have to take my leave right now.

MrPristine:
And who is Allah

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okay, good. This should answer truthman2012's thread on the same hadith. There is always wisdom behind every authentic statement of the prophet(SAW). https://www.nairaland.com/2313630/islamic-medical-science-wrong-science

I beg to disagree with AbuuUsamah. Be careful brother. Op is a kufar. He's only looking for loopholes. The way to agree or disagree with hadith is through classifications. I dont care what Op think. Urine from Carmel was raised on another thread a while back which I answered. See there is wisdom in what prophet(SAAW) taught in as much as it's authentically narrated. For instance dying beard etc.

The issue of Urine was in fact proven to be true medically. It's irrelevant whether the kufar agreed with it or not. This is not to say drinking directly from Carmel bosom in our time is appropriate. Thats not the case since we now have aesthetics which did not exist back then. There are Muslim medical students that research on issue like this in USA. I kind of dealt with it a little on this back in March I think. A little bit of research (if you can) will put the op in permanent state of shut up

There is always wisdom behind every authentic statement of the prophet(SAW). We just dont know yet. I dont think this kufar self proclaimed truthman realized that there are animal products in the so called pills that he takes. Yes, many of them contain animal products like horse manure and pig urine etc.

How are you doing mr. blogger?. This is interesting thread and it does need some scholarly input or at least average learned Muslim thoughts.

However, I have to be by my library to respond to this. I'm far from there now. So kindly bear with me.

anyone knows anything about "Aluminum parapet"?

Bible Messed Up - God rested and refreshed after He created heaven and earth


Exodus 31:17King James Version (KJV)

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

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But according to Qur'an God did not rest after He created heaven and earth

Qur'an 50:38
And indeed We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in six Days and nothing of fatigue touched Us.

China orders Muslim shopkeepers to sell alcohol, cigarettes, to ‘weaken’ Islam

By Simon Denyer, Washington Post

Chinese authorities have ordered Muslim shopkeepers and restaurant owners in a village in its troubled Xinjiang region to sell alcohol and cigarettes, and promote them in “eye-catching displays,” in an attempt to undermine Islam’s hold on local residents, Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported. Establishments that failed to comply were threatened with closure and their owners with prosecution.

Facing widespread discontent over its repressive rule in the mainly Muslim province of Xinjiang, and mounting violence in the past two years, China has launched a series of “strike hard” campaigns to weaken the hold of Islam in the western region. Government employees and children have been barred from attending mosques or observing the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan. In many places, women have been barred from wearing face-covering veils, and men discouraged from growing long beards.

In the village of Aktash in southern Xinjiang, Communist Party official Adil Sulayman, told RFA that many local shopkeepers had stopped selling alcohol and cigarettes from 2012 “because they fear public scorn,” while many locals had decided to abstain from drinking and smoking.

Read the entire article…
http://www.loonwatch.com/2015/05/china-orders-muslim-shopkeepers-to-sell-alcohol-cigarettes-to-weaken-islam/