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Aemmyjah:
The Jews were released from Babylonian captivity as Jehovah promised
As Jehovah also foretold, they would spend 70 years as captives in the land so 537- 70 years leads to 607 BCE.

So where did you get the 537BC from?

A. Bible
B. Archeologist
3. Watchtower publication

A Bible believer will accept that or resort to history.

A Bible believer will accept both Bible and archeological evidence because they never contradict.

The funny thing is, you people thought there's no explanation for the 70 years by historians but the truth is Watchtower decided to ignored those explanation because it contradicted 1914.

Yes! In case you don't know the 70 years was also explained by the historians.

Definitely, you're ignorant of this!

If I want to rely on history, I can as well believe that Moses, Pharaoh, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua conquest of Canaan, Davod and Goliath, Tower of Babel, Joseph of Egypt never existed and the Exodus never happened or the plagues cos the ancient Egyptians who were meticulous in their history has not shown any such proof.

Stop lying just to please your gods in Warwick.

We have archeological evidence for David existence and more were still been unearthed.

So when you think u can shame us by choosing side of history

Here come the victim mentality.

Did watchtower not chose the side of history by agreed with the year 537BC?

So because 1914 never had any archeological support we should just agree with watchtower simply because they said so.

Is that how you become a graduate in science?

when we support God's word,

Not blindly.

Then you will see the lies of watchtower trying being sold to you.

Do your research and see how the historians explain the 70 years.

Stop watchtower deception of we are following God's word

remember that history itself can make u think that many people and events and places in the Bible never happened

So rest

Not when archeological evidence involved.

Do you think the year we are talking about is just an historians research work?

O ma se ooo

Again, there is an ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORT 587BC do you know what that means?

Continue to be restless with the truth.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't have to give yourself HBP on this matter it's either you accept or reject it.
Thanks for commenting!

So I should take you serious over archeological evidence.

The fact that you can't provide a single scholar who agreed with you on this speaks a volume.

Well, if it's not giving you HPB you won't open this thread in the first place.

Aemmyjah:
How many years did Jehovah say that his people will be in captivity? 70 years or 50 years?

You didn't answer my question!

Which one should a Christian accept? That of 70 years leading to 607BCE (which is a conclusion based on the Bible prophecy) or from secular historians whose data is not always accurate?

From where did you start counting your 70 years?

Even if all the historians points to a date that contradict what Bible points me to, I will still choose the Bible. Let God be true and men be found a liar

Until you answer the very basic question.

Where did you start counting your 70years?

What did you add to arrive at 1914?

Where did Bible provide those information?

Sure, let God be True and let men be lie.

Your gods in Warwick are also MEN, don't forget.

turmacs:
Wow this is actually correct and I am really surprised that it could solve it (although this a very easy problem). Chatgpt just solved nonsense. So no software engineer on NL could solve this till now? wonderfull.

If ChatGPT or any AI can write code, hope this won't be a problem for software engineers in the future?

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered this before but for the benefit of other followers of my thread i will respond!

587 B.C.E. is an error by historians but they're not ready to accept the correction because it's coming from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

The year God's people were taken into captive supposed to be coherent with the 70 years God declared that the Jews will spend in exile but if we are to go by the year 587 B.C.E. there will be a glitch as the years would be 50 not 70 years. So if it's 50 years then it means God's promise regarding the 70 years is false.

Do you now see why God's people stick to 607 instead of 587 B.C.E.?

Most historians don't believe only the Bible so they don't follow up with God's word!

Lying liar!

Who declared 607BC as ERROR?

We're talking about archeological evidence, yet the lying liar says 587 is an ERROR.

well, your gods must be proud of you for doing his works perfectly.

MaxInDHouse:
I have done that on the first page so go and read it and if you're not convinced take your leave it's not by force!

You did that yet after what you posted as OP you yourself didn't convince about what you wrote that you have to rush to YouTube for more facts to support your OP which later discovered to be an Apostate video in which the content of the video never even supported your claim in the first.

If what you posted couldn't convince your own self, how do you want it to convince others?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe all cash are original?
If you don't then i don't believe that all those claiming missionaries are doing what Jesus commissioned.
Your friends doesn't believe in missionary work at all. So it's like someone saying there is no original currency.

Do you understand now?

You can see the hypocrisy I was talking about.

So it was your obsession for the truth that made you rush to tag me not that you actually believe Catholic missionaries are TRUE CHRISTIANS.

Hypocrite!

you don't have any point.

MaxInDHouse:
I believe in MISSIONARY WORK since that's how i became a believer in Christ Jesus but not all are doing what first century Jewish disciples of Christ did.
They don't believe in Bible, God, Jesus or Faith as disciples of Christ.

That's the difference!

So you believe in the Catholic missionary work!

MaxInDHouse:
To help you know that you've been associating with FAITHLESS MISCREANTS!

You don't grasp what is happening, they're are no longer interested in faith in God or Jesus so they're only using you since they know you hate Jehovah's Witnesses but deep down in them they abhor anything that has to do with Bible, God or Jesus!

None of this, disproved your initial lie.

You lie openly and when caught you turn to blaming game.

Why did you crop that part out?

If not because you're an hypocrite, did you believe Catholic missionaries are TRUE CHRISTIANS?

So what is the different between what he said and you who don't rate Catholic missionaries the true Christians?

MaxInDHouse:
That's it oya talk to your friends!

This was his complete statement: "And when we were JWs back then, we would look at these Gilead missionaries as Holy people going to preach the Good news, not knowing that they are spies for the government. This missionary thing has been used by the Catholic Church to penetrate lands in order to conquer them for the government to take possession. This missionary work has been used to do evil if you read History. Was it not through Missionaries that the Slave trade began and advanced in Africa?"

Why did you DELIBERATELY crop the beginning of his statement if not because you want to lie just as watchtower usually does when quoting external source?

That's deception, lie and false information!

MaxInDHouse:
Achorladey, Courz/oteneaaron says MISSIONARY WORK is for spies.

Where is Emusan o!

Where did they say missionary work is for spies?

You should have tag the post too.

On the topic!

I always say, watchtower didn't bring anything new. Even their famous 1914 is a stolen doctrine of SDA.

MaxInDHouse:
So Jehovah's Witnesses aren't liars for having different doctrine on the topic shey?

Thanks for your time jàre!

So you can't support your claim with evidence!

Good one!

Keep lying for your gods.

MaxInDHouse:
I just love it when you fall into your own trap!

So it's not only Jehovah's Witnesses that are LIARS for teaching that Tithe, Circumcision and Sabbath aren't for Christians!

You can't answer my question, e get why

Where did I say Jehovah witness are liar FOR TEACHING THAT TITHE, CIRCUMCISION AND SABBATH aren't for Christian?

You have started your lie lie attitude...

This thread was never about any denominations but now you want to be playing the victim card.

Very pathetic.

achorladey:
Continue to use am hold body

You have reduced him to one line post

MaxInDHouse:
So are they also LIARS for boycotting the laws of your God and teaching in their churches that it's not for Christians?

You didn't answer my question!

Do that before you ask yours.

Besides, the topic is if Bible supports Tithe!

MaxInDHouse:
So what happens to churches not practicing all these, are they worshiping your Jesus?

Yes! They are worshipping Jesus.

Did you circumcise your son?

I see how you stylishly boycott that part

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you spoiled the whole thing!

How can you say God commanded something and at the same time some churches are not practicing it yet you want to admit that they are Christians and such is OK for them?

This is where it's evident that you don't understand even what you've been saying since.

Sabbath is a commandment
Circumcision is a commandment
Tithe is a commandment

But these 3 three predated the law.

Today you circumcised your son.

Yet you made it clear before that circumcision isn't A CHRISTIAN thing.

Can you see how confused you are?

Today, you can DECIDE to go to your hall ANY DAY you choose because Christ has consummated the Sabbath day.

Is that practice Biblical? Yes!

That is the same thing with Tithe!

That's why you and your friends are always at loggerheads with Jehovah's Witnesses because to Jehovah's Witnesses whatever we are sure God mandated for his worshipers must be practiced any group not doing what God says are not worshiping that God who commanded it.

So where did God says you should go to hall on Sunday or any other day?

So you're not a Christian as i've always told you real disciples of Christ must have the same line of thought on what God required of His worshipers {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} it's pagans that contradicts one another yet agrees they're worshiping the same God!

He has started his ranting!

I'm not the one who claimed:

1. The name Christian is cursed and bastardized

2. As a result of being cursed and bastardized, our gods have given us a new name.

3. Whosoever thinks he belongs to Christ as a Christian should think twice.

But the same you is the one who knows WHO IS A CHRISTIAN OR NOT.

Anyways, I know you're look for a way to divert attention as usual again

MaxInDHouse:
So all the churches that aren't preaching tithe, Circumcision and Sabbath (Saturday worship) are liars shey?
My guy take care!

No!

The point here is that any church collecting Tithe are not doing anything wrong.

The most misconception is that TITHE IS NOT MEANT FOR CHRISTIAN.

If any church DECIDED not to collect TITHE, good for them.

Even most churches that didn't collect Tithe create other avenues to generate money.

MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps you need to know that back in the days of Israelite high priests they're the ones who tells the people what to do under the old covenant so since Jesus the new High Priest never demanded tithes from anyone but time to do the most important work he was assigned to do {John 4:34} there's no going back to what has ended: the old covenant!

High priest don't demand Tithe from anyone, I've corrected this your lie before.

Jesus didn't call Himself High Priest, so how can people give him Tithe?

Besides, their were already High Priest during the day of Jesus, so Jesus can't just be claiming to be an High Priest when He is not from Levites.

Meanwhile let me correct you on some things you you don't understand.

Neither Tithing nor Sabbath nor Circumcision is part of the new covenant

You're a liar!

Sabbath, Tithe and Circumcision are part of ETERNAL practices even before making it to the law.

You'll I already explained this in my first post just that Chirst brought their true MEANING.

You already agreed that both people must GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO JESUS like Melchizedek.

So going back now to claim Tithe isn't part of the new covenant is delusional.

It was that same truth made you to say, what Jesus demands is our TIME and TIME is MONEY.

It's evident you're agreed that scripture supported TITHE but as usual defending doctrine and not the scripture is the reason you're trying to spin or reverse your words.

that's why Paul and Bandanas were sent to the Apostle and elders in Jerusalem to know what the Holy Spirit says about these laws that came with the old covenant. Act 15:1-2

The Apostles and the elders in Jerusalem said:

“The apostles and the elders, your brothers, to those brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Ci·liʹcia who are from the nations: Greetings! Since we have heard that some went out from among us and caused you trouble with what they have said, trying to subvert you, although we did not give them any instructions,we have come to a unanimous decision to choose men to send to you together with our beloved Barʹna·bas and Paul, men who have given up their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We are therefore sending Judas and Silas, so that they also may report the same things by word of mouth. For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you! Act 15:23-29

This has nothing about Tithe.

The office of High Priest exists today and God's command is for people to give Tithe to the High Priest.

So neither Tithing nor Sabbath nor Circumcision has anything to do with Christianity!

You're a liar!

The writer of the book of Hebrew won't go that length to call Jesus the High Priest in ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK for nothing.

Let the truth hit you hard!

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly!

The new High Priest offered his body that's why monetary tithing ends because it's what was used to pay for the services of those in charge of animal sacrifices! Hebrews 7:11-12

Monetary TITHING ENDED but TIMING TITHING didn't, right?

After I've quoted that Heb 7:11-12 several time you're still repeating it

MaxInDHouse:
Please lecture me where the scriptures stopped animal sacrifices but retained tithing which was meant for the services rendered by those in charge of animal sacrifices: priests!

About Tithe Melchizedek was alluded and you confess yourself that PEOPLE MUST GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO JESUS just as Abraham did to Melchizedek.

Even though I know you don't want to call it TITHE as scripture says.

But you eventually said "this requires time and since time is equivalent of money whoever is doing this work..."

Now, about animal sacrifices, Jesus OFFERED HIS BODY!

Animals sacrifices aren't ETERNAL PRACTICES but Tithe, Sabbath and Circumcision are!

MaxInDHouse:
The same scriptures supported animal sacrifices so don't speak against those sacrificing animals since it's found WRITTEN as part of the law!

I know you'll come with this line!

The writer of the book of Hebrew already addressed everything including animal sacrifices.

Or you want me to lecture you on that?

Finally, I'm glad you see that scriptures supported TITHE!

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you agreed that Jesus is the High Priest through whom people from other nations became members of the house of faith but obviously you don't understand so let me teach you!

You forgot I brought the issue of High Priest up.

Definitely you don't know what you're saying.

No high priest in Israel is equal with Jesus who entered the Most Holy (Heaven) not with the blood of animals but with his own blood to redeem mankind. Hebrews 9:12

That is the point!

That is why if you study the book of Hebrew 7 very well you understand why why the Writer says "8 The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on. 9 In addition, we might even say that these Levites—the ones who collect the tithe—paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him.

So as the High Priest that connected gentiles to God's glorious assembly all must bow to whatever he commanded {Philippians 2:10} He didn't ask us to pay tithes so there's no reason to bring it to him but he commanded us to spend our precious times in preaching zealously and industriously teaching all the things he taught us {Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20} this requires time and since time is equivalent of money whoever is doing this work {John 4:34} is paying something precious to our new High Priest!

at @color is sufficient and seal everything for me.

Now you can't deny knowing scripture supported PAYING OF TITHE.

So don't twist scripture further just obey God!

That's nice!

MaxInDHouse:
Melchizedek was given tenth part of what the patriarch got so Paul used it as example for his Jewish Christian brothers that they need to give Jesus the new High Priest something just as Abraham also gave Melchizedek something but since both Melchizedek and Jesus aren't physically present what they will give them can't be physical.

Now:

1. You agreed that Heb 7:11-12 didn't end the law.

2. Jesus being in the ORDER OF Melchizedek means Tithe must be given to Him.

Today true Christians are giving their time directly to the High Priest by making sure they join others monthly to preach and teach in their neighbourhood just as the new High Priest Demanded from his own people! Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20

You're giving your time DIRECTLY TO THE HIGH PRIEST BUT I CAN'T GIVE MY MONEY DIRECTLY.

You're going against God's standard and you have started your manipulation.

So whoever is paying money or physical things isn't giving that to the new High Priest because that's not what he demanded from his people!

That's what the law says, no law says you should give your TIME TO THE HIGH PRIEST.

JESUS never even CALLED HIMSELF HIGH PRIEST so how can you attributes Matt 10 to His High Priest?

MaxInDHouse:
The law to pay tithe ended when the human system of priesthood end! Hebrews 7:11-12

I've already clarified that Heb 7:1-12

Here it is again: "So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron? 12 And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it. 13For the priest we are talking about belongs to a different tribe, whose members have never served at the altar as priests.

Why did the writer allude to Melchizedek being given Tithe by Abraham as Jesus became a Priest in the ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK?

Note: Melchizedek was not portrayed as HUMAN PRIEST!

MaxInDHouse:
True!

The High Priest who never collected money as tithes from anybody!

Good!

So, when did the law stop payment of Tithe to the High Priest?

High Priest don't collect money from people God instructs people to give them TITHE!

You agreed it was made into LAW!

MaxInDHouse:
First century Jewish Christians never practiced tithing!

Jesus is the High Priest!

True or false?

Ken4Christ:
Tithing didn't start with the Law of Moses. Abraham paid tithe several years before the Law of Moses was given. Jacob, his grandson vowed to give God a tenth of what he receives. He didn't limit it to gains.

So, the church pays tithe because Abraham, our father of faith did. And the scripture says that we should walk in the footsteps of Abraham.

MaxInDHouse:
So it's when God announced to the Israelites that tithing became official among worshipers of the true God not when Abraham paid that's why his descendants never practiced it until it was incorporated into the laws given to them.

But those laws includes animal sacrifices and burning of incense so do you still make animal sacrifices and incense burning today?
If you don't then all such practices has ended with the old covenant! Hebrews 7:11-12

These are misconceptions about Tithe and wrong interpretation of Heb 7:11-12.

There's no commandment in the NT to pay Tithe simply because the commandment already be given in the OT in which Jesus Himself will fulfill, so Jesus can't just annull Tithing because it's part of His mission.

Biblical consummation is how Jesus fulfilled the Hebrew scriptures in Himself that is bringing their TRUE MEANING INTO REALITY.

Tithing started before the law, just as SABBATH DAY and Circumcision also are before the law and finally made it to the law.

So the right question to ask will be why was Tithe included in the law?

This will be a lengthy post if I should address it all but I'll just try to summarise it!

From above we can see that, Tithe, Sabbath Day and Circumcision practiced before the law and accordingly the scriptures these three practices are considered 'ETERNAL PRACTICES!'

I will focus on Tithe now!

Jesus made a statement in Matt 23:23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens,[g] but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things."

This is not a commandment but a reference to existing law but here we can see that Jesus didn't condemn Tithe rather supported it.

So, why did Tithe make it to the law?

Simple answer: it's part of eternal practice like Sabbath Day and Circumcision.

That is why the writer of the book of Hebrew after talking about the basic teaching about Christ says "So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding." Heb 6:1

To go into mature teaching, the write took the silent statement of Christ in Matt 23:23 to reveal the eternal practice of Tithe. This he did by alluded to Melchizedek!

"Consider then how great this Melchizedek was. Even Abraham, the great patriarch of Israel, recognized this by giving him a tenth of what he had taken in battle. Now the law of Moses required that the priests, who are descendants of Levi, must collect a tithe from the rest of the people of Israel,[a] who are also descendants of Abraham. But Melchizedek, who was not a descendant of Levi, collected a tenth from Abraham. And Melchizedek placed a blessing upon Abraham, the one who had already received the promises of God.

The points here are:
1. Melchizedek is so great.
2. Abraham recognises HIS GREATNESS and that makes Abraham to give Him Tithe.
3. This act places Melchizedek a far Higher Priest who qualifies to operate as a priest and was never part of the Levi (Levi never even come on board in the first place).

So, what is the correlation her?
Melchizedek was considered ETERNAL HIGH PRIEST that is why the same scripture says he was made to be like THE SON OF GOD.

Which means, as long as there is A PRIEST Tithing law remains.

In line of this, Jesus came in ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK and Jesus became the High Priest.

In conclusion:
Just like other laws like Sabbath Day and Circumcision when Christ fulfill them in His body, the laws took a new dimension which means they are not view the ways they were revealed.

Like Sabbath Day, we understand that it's an eternal rest for the believers and not just a worship on Saturday or any day and the physical circumcision is just a reminder of our spiritual broken hearted.

Though some preachers might have laid too much emphasis on Tithe and some might have abused it and made it to be a burden to their members.

Most people against Tithe didn't even know that Tithe is just like a peanut to other avenues some preachers are generating money.

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Heb 7:11-12 is about the law that empowers the Levites to be a Priest that needs to change since the new High Priest Jesus Christ didn't come from the Levites.

achorladey:
Abi ooooo. How many of them can really hold such lengthy discussion from the Bible?

I've said this before!

His intention on this forum was that Jws will beat any non-jws in Bible discussion but when he came and saw how people put Jws on their feet with Bible knowledge. He gets frustrated!

So, he has to device a mean of proving that Jws are actually superior in Bible knowledge, he begins to peddle different lies by jumping up and down on every thread and when his confusion and lies are addressed, he will switch gear to another one.

That is why at one side of his mind, he will continue to wish people like you, courz, Johnw24 e.t.c suddenly disappeared on this forum.

Meanwhile, the other side doesn't want that to happen because he actually enjoyed the discussion because of our vast knowledge in the scriptures.

Don't be surprised that they actually go to bed with one Bible knowledge or the other everyday.

Courz:
Meanwhile, Mumu Fornicator Aemmyjah is busy saying they are not like Christendom, meaning Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians true true. Where is the one line of thought between these JWs? One has no problem with Watchtower's investment in weapons of mass destruction, the other one is denying it. Very confused people.

If you try to read through their lies!

They want others to stop using the name Christian so that it'll become sole property of Watchtower.

Like what that deluded Maximumu usually claim that Bible is their book.

achorladey:
Emusan, FxMasterz Courz Oteneaaron, the following screenshot are for your digest....

See the manipulations and lies inside the madness and insanities peddling brains of MaxInDHouse. He even changed my question from unfaithful steward to faithful steward

Aemmyjah, Janosky the werey peddling brains and stupidity peddling brains food is ready

The person who said "whoever claimed to be a Christian doesn't belong to Christ" yet shouting up and down saying "Yes! I'm a Christian" is the one you are taking serious!

How many lies has he been caught with on this forum?