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gohf:
if Jesus is THE source then what is the Father God

The Father is also THE SOURCE.

Is there anything the Father has that Jesus doesn't have?

AntiChristian:
In one dubious verse of the Bible

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

Then later many other versions of the Bible noticed that the verse is dubious then they changed it!

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses—

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

So this is your evidence that Christians have THREE GODS.

But none of the versions you provided talk about THREE GODS.

So that means you're lying when you made that claim.

AntiChristian:
One is called the father! He lives in the heaven can't come down and can't ever die!

Another is the son! He can die, and do everything a human does while still a God!

Another is the Holy Spirit! This one just empowers people to do things! Samson was empowered by the Spirit to kill thousands!

And Christians says they are THREE GODS.

You haven't proved you claim!

Image123:
You must assume a lot to be giving me challenges and tasks to do. You are free to go do your appointed tasks and challenges since they must seem so important.

I don't need the challenge because I'm present with the challenge that is why I'm telling you to take up the challenge.

You can't sit comfortably in your room and be saying what you don't know because of your political stand.

There's Christians genocide in Nigeria.

The minority Christians in the Northern Nigeria faces the most attack, why?

The minority Christians in Northern Nigeria are the majority of the victims i.e if 2000 people killed Christians will be 1500-1800, why is this so even when the population of Muslims are far more than the Christians?

The minority Christians areas are where MOST attack taking place, why?

Why are you denying what is globally known with abundant evidence of data?

Janosky:

Oga Geologist, Is the source of every river created?
Are rivers part of creation?
Oga, you are deceiving yourself

Screenshot evidence /dictionary.
"Definition of origin
1
as in source
a point or place at which something is invented..

Synonyms of origin - Source, ancestry, cradle, beginning etc."


The truth dey pain am .
The reason Emusan avoided the question:
Is the Source where river Ethiope starts flowing part of the river?

Oga Geologist deceiving himself refused to answer.
His dictionary explained that Origin is synonym of source,ancestry,beginning & genesis etc.
But, Oga seeks comfort in making excuses to cover up his lies.

So in a nutshell Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATIONS according to Rev 3:14.

Do you agree?

Janosky:
Biblehub screenshot evidence of 3 different Trinitarian Translations with word for word Greek translation of ἀρχή @ Rev 3:14.

KJV your old Bible version wey you love pass NAS & NIV says ἀρχή is beginning.

Bill Mounce ,Greek scholar & Trinitarian proven that
ἄρχων, -οντος, ὁ
Greek transliteration:
archōn is the Greek word for Ruler in Matthew 9:23, Matthew 20:25 etc
Archon is NOT @Revelation 3:14.
The spelling & pronunciation is even different.
Oga, you are deceiving yourself.
Biblehub did NOT put Archön @ Rev 3:14
.

The challenge is which word translated as 'BEGINNING'?

Then provide the screenshot from Biblehub for the meaning of Arché.

Don't have high BP yet.

Just provide the screenshot and let's see if Arché means ORIGIN/RULER

You can keep running from pillar to post.

Janosky:
Your fellow Trinitarian , Bill Mounce who knows Greek better than you do says Originator is @ Hebrews2:10,@ Hebrews 12:2, @Acts 3:15, Acts 5:31.
Originator is NOT @ Revelation 3:14 screenshot evidence.

Jesus is the ORIGIN/SOURCE/ORIGINATOR of ALL CREATIONS. Rev 3:14

The word Arché means ORIGIN/RULER true or false?

The word ORIGINATOR has its root from ORIGIN true or false?

You will wail tired

AntiChristian:
He said God has footprints! And I know Christians have three different Gods.

So which of them have footprints?

Christians have three different Gods.

Okay proof it.

My post is about recent not from 11years ago.

Take up the challenge.

Image123:
11 years ago is not present continuous tense. We remember when there were consistent and targeted attacks on churches. We remember when churches couldn't hold but had to cancel crusades and programmes. We remember when pastors had to issue statements on newspapers, pulpits and even do peaceful demonstration. When ushers were searching people for bomb before entering church These are all PAST, not present continuous tense. Try figure.

Good! Finally you have come out of your hidden.

To you this happened in the past not that there's no GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN in Nigeria.

Now, the challenge for you is this.

Go to any Christians dominated area in the core north or Plateau State or Southern Kaduna and do at least 3 videos from 3 different churches, let see if what you listed have stopped or not?

Or like I do tell you, go to any of the aforementioned places and shout at their central market that there's no GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN and post the live video here.

If you truly care about Jesus Christ and your recent defense of your THIEF leader doesn't have political tone.

Janosky:
Oga, you are lying .
Screenshot evidence /dictionary.
"Definition of origin
1
as in source
a point or place at which something is invented..

Synonyms of origin - Source, ancestry, cradle, beginning etc."

See how you just exposed your lying mouth once and for all.

Now, ORIGIN also means SOURCE (remember you first denied this) whick is my point.

Rev 3:14 proves that Jesus is the SOURCE of ALL CREATION not the first to be created.

More screenshot is needed let's go.

Janosky:
Oga stop deceiving yourself.
Arkhe beginning is NOT archon Ruler.

I'll only stop deceiving myself if you have the mind to provide the screenshot from Biblehub.

You can't run away from your hypocrisy.

You don't have any evidence of reading the mind of John.
The Revelation 3:14, Jesus ,says he is the beginning of the creation by God".

Just provide the screenshot from Biblehub the meaning of Arché.

Jesus is the Creation by God.
That is the Bible truth.

Jesus is the Creator.

You agreed Jesus was before Universe.

Only Creator is before Universe.

Did Origin (Greek 746 & originator Greek 747mean have the same meaning?
Definitely not at all.


Biblehub screenshot referenced 4 different Trinitarian translations to prove that Arkhe is beginning @ Rev 3:14.
Originator is not in any Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.

If "Origin" is your name & your name on WAEC result is wrongly spelt as originator, you would reject it.
Oga, stop lying & deceiving yourself.

Can you imagine this

Every word had its root.

ORIGINATOR is from the word ORIGIN.

Proof me wrong first.

See what you AI says about the root of ORIGINATOR.

You must be hard with Bible truth.

AntiChristian:
Which of the Three Gods have footprints?

Where did the OP talk about Three Gods?

Image123:
11 years ago is not present continuous tense. We remember when there were consistent and targeted attacks on churches. We remember when churches couldn't hold but had to cancel crusades and programmes. We remember when pastors had to issue statements on newspapers, pulpits and even do peaceful demonstration. When ushers were searching people for bomb before entering church These are all PAST, not present continuous tense. Try figure.

Good! Finally you have come out of your hidden.

To you this happened in the past not that there's no GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN in Nigeria.

Now, the challenge for you is this.

Go to any Christians dominated area in the core north or Plateau State or Southern Kaduna and do at least 3 videos from 3 different churches, let see if what you listed have stopped or not?

Or like I do tell you, go to any of the aforementioned places and shout at their central market that there's no GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN and post the live video here.

If you truly care about Jesus Christ and your recent defense of your THIEF leader doesn't have political tone.

Jozzy4:
The point is the oneness is "Exactly as" based on scripture

Whatever you infer applies.

You haven't answered my question.

Where are the disciples SHARED GLORY with God before the World began?

Very simple question.

Jozzy4:
The Father was never a Son. That's the distinction

Show me a single scripture he was called "Son"?

And a Father doesn't ALWAYS has a beginning

Janosky:

John 17:22-24
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—
23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

@ John 17:22,24,Jesus told Emusan:
"I want the disciples to SHARE my glory (the Glory jesus shared with God @ John 17:5)
& see my glory that God gave me before the creation of the world".

Just one question is throwing you people off balance like this.

Where did the disciples SHARED GLORY WITH GOD before the World began

This is the simple question.

Janosky:
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Greek 747 Originator is NOT in Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
Archon meaning "Ruler" is NOT in the Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
Jesus said "beginning" @ Revelation 3:14, @Mark 10:6, Mark 13:19 to give the same meaning,saying Jesus is a creation by God.
I believe Jesus NOT your lies.

You're the one deceiving yourself.

Arché means ORIGIN.

First tell me I'm lying first.

If Arché which some translations translated as BEGINNING also means ORIGIN/RULER then it means the writer of Rev 3:14 doesn't have in mind that Jesus was THE FIRST CREATED BEING the phrase you can never find anywhere in the Holy scripture.

Definitely, it's the liar like you that ascribes that false interpretation to that verse.

Everyone knows what ORIGIN means and that the word ORIGINATOR found its root from the word ORIGIN.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Origin is synonym of ancestry.
Jesus Christ has ancestry in the spirit realm.
Screenshot evidences proven

But origin isn't synonym of SOURCES

Can you hear that.

Who is deceiving you?

Why your screenshot didn't come from Biblehub?

because you know your lying mouth will be exposed.

Janosky:
Oga, you can't REMOVE anything from your own Bible @ Hebrew 1:2.
You reject Hebrew 1:2...

I'm not Watchtower.

You still haven't answered my question.

What is the role of the Son during Creation.

You agreed the Son was there before Universe was created.

Jozzy4:
It takes having a beginning to wear the " Son " badge. Someone in the Universe was never a Son.... That's the one without a beginning

But the someone was a FATHER.

You're not making sense. Try again!

Jozzy4:
Exactly "As"

Are you now ashamed of what you infer ?

Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.

gohf:
even Noah was before Abraham but you don't see anyone calling Noah God do you?

Can you imagine this

Jozzy4:
A " Son " always has a Beginning.

And a Father doesn't ALWAYS has a beginning

Jozzy4:
Whatever you infer is exactly what applied to Jesus disciples.

John 17:22 Humans Equal with the Father ?

So the disciples SHARED GLORY with the Father before the World began

Image123:
i don't see things through such narrow prism.

So on what basis do you call for reversal of that pardoned?

Image123:
Lol, i should provide your statement. Are you related to that fellow on Arisetv?

Yes! because my point has been that there's a Christian genocide in Nigeria.

In short you're still scared to answer that simple question

Image123:
What action is evil, forgiveness?

The one you want Baba Tinubu to reverse.

Abi if it's not evil why do you want it reversed?

Image123:
Read your previous statements. It shows that you don't even know what YOU are saying. i can't answer you when you are geniunely interested in lying against me and misunderstanding me. i don't roll that way dear.

Answer my question.

My point has been: "There's a Christian genocide in Nigeria"

Provide my statement you're referring to.

Image123:
i suggest that Mr President reverse all the pardons except the ones for the dead. We evidently don't know what a pardon implies. Was he supposed to pardon imams, priests and babies?
BTW, A drug lord, drug baron, kingpin, or lord of drugs is a type of crime boss in charge of a drug trafficking network, organization, or enterprise. We just bandy words and numbers about here.

As if you don't know the person you're dancing and hailing.

Now, if Mr President didn't reverse these pardoned. What will you do?

Since you already know that action is evil in itself.

Image123:
You somehow said "no killing of Christians is going on in Nigeria," i don't know how you arrived at this.

You haven't answered my simple question till now, why?

Besides, who made that statement above?

Image123:
i can't answer you when you are geniunely interested in lying against me and misunderstanding me. i don't roll that way dear. i'm a busy fellow.

You agreed that there's persecution of Christians in Nigeria.

How is this persecution happened?

Very simple question.

Janosky:
Yes ,this authentic rendition missing in KJV .
1 John 5:7 correct rendition;
"7 For there are three that testify,
8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement"

KJV has the authentic rendition.

Janosky:
The statement Jesus spoke about himself wey Merriam - Webster dictionary agree that Origin is evidence of a created being , in this case Jesus @ Rev 3:14.

You shifted from originator to origin,your lying was exposed, now you dey hide under source.

For instance ,the source of river Ethiope is a shallow stream the river begins it's flow.

Oga,is that shallow stream excluded from river Ethiope?
Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God,proven in your bible.
Oga,Come & continue deceiving yourself.

It's Mariam you ran to now

The fact still remains that Rev 3:14 didn't say Jesus is a CREATED BEING but ORIGINATOR OF ALL CREATIONS.

At least you wanted to deny ORIGIN from that verse before your lying mouth was exposed.