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Truvelisback:
I believe Maxinthehouse is a rich christian and he is currently using an expensive phone whereas there are hungry people roaming the street. I expected him to sell his properties and give to the poor.

First of all, he is not a Christian because according to him the name "CHRISTIAN is BASTARDIZED AND CURSED and who ever thinks he belongs to Christ under the CURSED and BASTARDIZED name(Christian) should think twice"

To even reinforce his statement, he created a thread with a Title: Difference between Christian and Jehovah Witness?

Or do you think someone who made a statement like this is a Christian?

Lastly, the question you asked can never be answered even by their GB in Warwick because even when a Kingdom Hall is sold, the details of the fund never given by the GB.

MightySparrow:
Oh yes.
His hypocrisy is matchless.

With a touch of shameless!

MightySparrow:
MaxinDHouse is holding tight to his belongings because it was the practice of the Apostles not Jesus'.

You remember this

Well it's part of scripture fulfillment.

Janosky:
Allow them exercise their right to console themselves.

Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence nah rich sauce aromatic stew anytime anyday.

You are the one rejecting the same rich sauce aromatic stew below

This is very pathetic

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence shred any post you or NET make about Col 1:15-16.

Pls console yourself.

This is laughable, so NET Bible evidence is shredding the same NET Bible evidence

This can only come from an hypothetical mindset.

Janosky:
Greek 746 Arkhe Beginning.
"Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God".
-Revelation 3:14.
Revelation 3:14 & Proverbs 8:22-30 nah gbas gbos for Trinitarians.

First proof me wrong that something who exists BEFORE CREATION can still be a created being.

I'm expecting you to bring your usual screenshot from AI, Biblehub or Bible gateway

Why are you so in panic mode?

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence has put your Trinitarian opinion into conundrums of WAILING.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

But see the same NET here.

Who is now deceiving himself?

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence vs your perennial WAILING.

The screenshot below is your tormentor.

NET says Hi!

Janosky:
The Bible truth dey pain you.

*. NET footnotes evidence of Proverbs 8:22 destroyed their claim & your claim about Col 1;15-16.
NET proved that Wisdom (Jesus) created being personified @ Proverbs 8:22-30 is Agency ,NOT the Creator.
@ Col 1:15-16, Jesus is the agency NOT the Creator.
Oga,NET your fellow Trinitarians evidence demolish your joint opinions about Col 1:15-16
Oga,continue deceiving yourself & WAILING

@color-red shows how shameless you are.

So you want me to be forcefully agreed with NET interpretation of Prov 8 and the same time disagree with NET interpretation of Col 1:15.

This is very pathetic and double standard in nature.

Anyway, do I surprise? No! because I know that is how you keep jumping around when the bone hooks you in the neck.

NET has finally exposed you with your own hand.

Janosky:
Emusan post:
So why did you use the same people that their interpretation goes against Apostle Paul in Prov 8?

Emusan have confirmed that his Trinitarian/NET opinion on Col 1:15-16 is conflicting against the holy book of Proverbs 8:22-30 on the same subject matter of creation.
Paul's writing affirms Proverbs 8:22-30,your Trinitarian opinions did not.
Emusan dey vex.

Yet you couldn't answer that question.

You're the one who brought NET opinion here not me.

Now, I'm showing you how hypocritical you are.

NET interpretation of Col 1:15 is there And even concluded that Jesus is Creator according to Paul.

Now, you don't want that because it goes against your lie.

Even though I posted NET interpretation of Col 1:15 to show you that the term FIRSTBORN doesn't mean FIRST CREATED but preeminence.

Anyways, keep fighting NET for now

Janosky:
Oga, wants to deflect & save face.
However,this screenshot of aggelos (angels) is accurate.

You haven't answered my question and you why.

Can Angel Michael die?

Very simple question.

Janosky:
Arius liked the idea of Christ as the wisdom of God and so chose the translation “create.” Athanasius translated it, “constituted me as the head of creation.” [b]The verb occurs twelve times in Proverbs with the meaning of “to acquire,” but the Greek and the Syriac versions have the meaning “create.” Although the idea is that wisdom existed before creation, the parallel ideas in these verses (“appointed,” “given birth”) argue for the translation of “create” or “establish” (R. N. Whybray, “Proverbs 8:22-31 and Its Supposed Prototypes,” VT 15 [1965]: 504-14; and W. A. Irwin, “Where Will Wisdom Be Found?” JBL 80 [1961]: 133-42).

The Hebrew word Qanah @ Proverbs 8:22 means CREATE in Greek ,the language of your own Bible .
Qanah is also @ Psalms 139:13,Genesis 14:19,
Emusan,stop deceiving yourself .

It doesn't make any logical sense to say something was created and the same thing existed BEFORE CREATION.

Proof me wrong without doing copy and paste.

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:24 sn The summary statements just given are now developed in a lengthy treatment of wisdom as the agent of all creation.
This verse singles out “watery deeps” (תְּהֹמוֹת, tehomot) in its allusion to creation because the word in Genesis signals the condition of the world at the very beginning,

Proverbs 8:24 tn The third parallel verb is חוֹלָלְתִּי (kholalti), “I was birthed (through labor pains)."
Some (e.g., KJV, NAB, NASB, NRSV) translate it “brought forth”—not in the sense of being presented, but in the sense of being “begotten, given birth to.” Here is the strongest support for the translation of קָנָה (qanah) as “created” in v. 22. The verb is not literal; it continues the perspective of the personification

*1 Cor 1:24, Paul says Jesus is the Wisdom of God.
NET Bible says @ Prov8:22 Wisdom is the agency of creation,a being personified as Wisdom.
Emusan chase shadows & deceiving himself.
Oga,denial won't help you.
NET Bible evidence galant.

And the same Jesus is the POWER OF GOD.

So, Jehovah created his own POWER and Wisdom

That is why I do tell you that without Jesus, your god doesn't possess wisdom and POWER.

Janosky:
Paul used used the term FIRSTBORN @ Heb 1:5,to say Jesus is the firstborn of God (in heaven) ,@ Col 1:15, to say Jesus is "Firstborn of every creature".
But your Trinitarian mentors put their own Trinitarian opinion in the footnotes.
Paul is a Jew,Jews are not Trinitarians.
To Paul,"Firstborn" @ Genesis 49:3 meant "firstborn" @ Col 1:15,@ Heb1:5.

[b]Paul used that expression to say "God Yahweh created the Universe (& ALL things).
Paul's Hebrew 1:2, 1 Cor 8:6,Heb 3:4 agrees with Paul's Colossians 1:15-16.
But the Trinitarian interpretation goes against
Paul's Hebrew 1:2, 1 Cor 8:6,Heb 3:4.
God the Father (ANCESTOR,SENIOR) of ALL is the Creator of His son ,Jesus Christ.
Jesus calls God Yahweh "my Father" (SENIOR, (ANCESTOR, ELDER).

Did Yahweh use such term for anybody?
No/Never !!!!
;

Their interpretation goes against Paul now

So why did you use the same people that their interpretation goes against Apostle Paul in Prov 8?

Hypocrite, I know you thou

Janosky:

Matthew 11:10 and Luke 7:27 , John the baptizer is an angel of Yahweh.
Yahweh's angel are either human or spirit beings.
Go and verify.
John the baptizer one of Yahweh's angel died.
Jesus earthly ministry came into being because he is angel sent by Yahweh his Father just as Yahweh sent other angels visible to men.
Aggelos is both humans & spirits sent by God.
Screenshot evidence : Aggelos

My question,

Can Angel Michael die?

Janosky:
NET Bible is a Trinitarian version.
Paul did NOT believe their claim @ Col 1:15-16
NET ADDED "over" @ Col 1:16 ,Paul did not.

"God created the Universe " NOT his Son.
Paul did NOT put any Trinitarian opinion @ Colossians 1:15-16.
Everytime Paul wrote the expression "Through his son /through Jesus (him),Paul did NOT make Trinitarian claim there.
For example,@ Hebrews 1:2, @ 1 Cor 8:6
@ Colossians 1:16 " through him/Jesus/the son".
Paul ALWAYS wrote that God his Father is our Creator,Hebrew 3:4
Read Hebrews 1:2,Hebrew 3:4 & 1 Cor 8:6 from NET Bible & confirm your Trinitarian opinion rejected by Apostle Paul.

So it's now you know NET is a Trinitarian Version

All of a sudden, NET doesn't have the Truth anymore

I know you'll chicken out.

That screenshot will continue to torment you.

Janosky:
Jesus is firstborn simply means that Jesus is a creature like every other firstborn in the Universe.

No! Paul who used the term FIRSTBORN also explained the meaning.

Paul said ALL THINGS were created through Jesus and FOR JESUS.

Jesus can't create Himself.

In your Bible, did Yahweh resurrect at anytime?
Defintely NOT !
Yahweh can NOT die let alone resurrect, Psalms 93:2, Psalms 93:2.

Jesus came to earth as human which makes him died.

Even Angels don't died and you believed Jesus is Angel so cute the crab.

Therefore,Only Yahweh's creatures die & be resurrected.
Jesus is a creature. Simple.

Jesus died because Je became Human, will Jesus have died if he remains in heaven as Angel Michael you believe him to be?

I know you dare not answer this question

Or let me put it this way, all the Angels who can't died are all God as well

According to Emusan logic
Oga,why is Reuben Preeminent @ Genesis 49:3?

Show me where Reuben was said to be PREEMINENCE in Gen 49:3

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Time to deny his beloved NET has come.

In the attached screenshot is how NET explained Col 1:15 'DON'T TURN A BLIND EYES TO THE LAST PART'

Do you agree with NET here or we should move further?

Janosky:
roverbs 8:22-24
New English Translation
22 The Lord created[a] me as the beginning[b] of his works,[c]
before his deeds of long ago.
23 From eternity I have been fashioned,[d]
from the beginning, from before the world existed.[e]
24 When there were no deep oceans[f] I was born,[g]
when there were no springs overflowing[h] with water;

Read full chapter
[b]Footnotes
Proverbs 8:22 tn There are two roots קָנָה (qanah) in Hebrew, one meaning “to possess,” and the other meaning “to create.” The earlier English versions did not know of the second root, but suspected in certain places that a meaning like that was necessary (e.g., Gen 4:1; 14:19; Deut 32:6). [/b]Ugaritic confirmed that it was indeed another root. The older versions have the translation “possess” because otherwise it sounds like God lacked wisdom and therefore created it at the beginning. They wanted to avoid saying that wisdom was not eternal. Arius liked the idea of Christ as the wisdom of God and so chose the translation “create.” Athanasius translated it, “constituted me as the head of creation.” The verb occurs twelve times in Proverbs with the meaning of “to acquire,” but the Greek and the Syriac versions have the meaning “create.” Although the idea is that wisdom existed before creation, the parallel ideas in these verses (“appointed,” “given birth”) argue for the translation of “create” [/b]or “establish” (R. N. Whybray, “Proverbs 8:22-31 and Its Supposed Prototypes,” VT 15 [1965]: 504-14;


[b]* NET Trinitarian Bible proves that because of Genesis 14:19, Deuteronomy 32:6 & Gen 4:1,"CREATE" is the correct rendition of Qanah @ Proverbs 8:22.
Also, Proverbs 8:24 is another solid evidence proven that Jesus is the Wisdom/Craftsman in Proverbs 8:22-30.
Screenshots.....

This means that NET has the truth and their translation is more accurate than NWT because NWT never used the phrase CREATE.

Do you agree?

Also, this particular statement "Although the idea is that wisdom existed before creation"

Even though, Jesus name never appeared in Prov 8 but the above shows simple logic fallacy, if wisdom existed BEFORE CREATION how can wisdom be CREATED before CREATION?

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22-30 has answered your question but you neither read nor study your Bible.

It never answered it because
1. I didn't see Jesus name there.
2. Prov 8 never said another person was creating the Universe rather Prov 8 proved that God Himself was doing the creation activities.

(Clink on the entire link & it directs you to the info)
👇
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/search=Proverbs%208%3A2231&version=NET.

Bible scholars already knew that those verses refer to Jesus Christ personified as the Wisdom/Craftsman.

Oga,nah you do yourself.

He can't provide screenshot because his lying mouth will be exposed.

Also, remove personified from that statement then you see where your problem lies.

Lastly, the simple question still remains "Where was Jesus reside before He took part in creating the Universe?

The fact that you even agreed that the Universe was created through Jesus shows Jesus is the Creator.

gohf:
job wasn't even the one speaking in job 33, why are you like this emusan when will you repent from your ways?

So it have been shifted to who is speaking not what was recorded as GOD'S WORD.

You don't understand the question I asked you?

You read my post in a very simple sentence.

Is Jesus not the firstborn

Jesus is the FIRSTBORN in a sense that He is PREEMINENCE.

The same word was used as Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of those who rose up in death.

I didn't see any of you interpret this as Jesus is the FIRST TO BE BORN FROM DEATH.

born of the spirit and power of God?

This was only applied to Jesus during His earthly mission.

Very simple question bro that requires a honest answer, yes, he is not or no he definitely is the firstborn.

Firstborn is different from first created meanwhile a very honest and open minded person will know when Jesus was said to be the FIRSTBORN it was about PREEMINENCE because the same Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of those who rose from death.

Read that Col 1:15-18 slowly and see Jesus as the Creator.

Janosky:
I thank Yahweh that Rev 3:14 & Proverbs 8:22-30 is in your Bible.
Or you remove am?
Your Bible & screenshots rejected your claim.
Oga,continue deceiving yourself.

He can't answer simple question.

You agreed that Jesus was used to create the Universe.

Where did Jesus reside if Jesus was created before Universe?

Janosky:
Emusan,Go & write your own Bible nau.

Yahweh the only true God is ANCESTOR, Senior, Elder to Jesus Christ in heaven.
That is their relationship.
John 5:19 screenshot.
Trinitarians how market?

Have you honored Jesus Christ JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

gohf:
the spirit of God makes a man speak the words and wisdom of God

Job was talking about CREATION.

Don't twist it.

or are you saying that Jesus wasn't the first born of the spirit and power of God?

I don't understand what you mean by "Jesus wasn't the FIRSTBORN of the spirit"

Jesus is the Power & Wisdom of God.

Janosky:
According to his screenshot.
Jesus his Almighty God is not the Father.

Oh Emperor Constantine !!!!!!!!!!

Olodo...

Jesus is Almighty God
The Father is Almighty God
The HOLY SPIRIT is Almighty God.

That is why THE THREE are ONE GOD.

Janosky:
Oga,Is the Universe the beginning of the Creation by God?

Come here & deceive yourself.

Yes! Universe is the beginning of the creation by God.

If Jesus was created before Universe, where did Jesus reside?

gohf:
I am not please

I'm not here to please you but to show you what the word of God says.

tell us how the holy Spirit is the source and caused of creation to happen, when God already did that

"When God already did that..."

So, when did The Holy Spirit made man according to Job 33:4, was it after God has did His own creation then HOLY SPIRIT created His own creation or both happened at the same time?

gohf:
so the Source is something they both have and not who they are? what kind of crooked talk is that

The source means one definite source but because you like listening to the author of confusion you are hear mentioning two sources

Jesus is the source
The father is the source

If they ask you is Jesus the father you would type no

It means both ARE ONE and separable.

Jesus is not the Father.

Creation has ONLY ONE SOURCE and it's from The Father, Jesus & The Holy Spirit because they all caused the creation to happen and ALL ARE OUTSIDE OF CREATION.

These are well spelled out in the scripture.

Do you need Bible study on that?

Janosky:
This screenshot evidence is how to identify LIARS who deceive themselves.

I see how you dodged my question.

The Father, Jesus & Holy Spirit are ONE which means whatever one does ALL DO.

Whatever attributes to one is ATTRIBUTED TO ALL.

Reason why Jesus said, 'The Son must be HONORED JUST AS the Father...'

Well, I know you don't Honor The Father Sha...

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus told them to go and speak with people in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13}

“Whenever you enter a city or village, search for a worthy person and stay in his home until you leave town. When you enter the home, give it your blessing. If it turns out to be a worthy home, let your blessing stand; if it is not, take back the blessing."

This is Matt 10:11-13, where did you carry out the instruction @underlined according to Jesus Christ?

When it doesn't suit you Jesus was talking ONLY to the followers back then but when it suits you Jesus instruction is still for you today of which you just cherry pick the part that suits you from the same instructions.

For instance, what of this part “Don’t take any money in your money belts—no gold, silver, or even copper coins. Don’t carry a traveler’s bag with a change of clothes and sandals or even a walking stick. Don’t hesitate to accept hospitality, because those who work deserve to be fed.

and the theme of their message is: God's Kingdom! Matthew 10:7

Those Jws standing at the road side with their Watchtower & Awake booklets greeting the passerbys and telling them to read, which instruction from the Bible are they obeying?

because they never tell people about the Theme of the message.

Janosky:
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

As long as you tell me who is deceiving you.

You are not interested in the truth at all.

And how is that your problem?

3 screenshots evidences from Biblehub, Bill Mounce Biblical Concordance & Dictionary - word for word meaning of Arkhe - BEGINNING.

Just see the way he is dancing around like headless chicken.

You ran from ORIGINATOR and start doing back and forth.

Here is the meaning of the word Arché that was used in Rev 3:14.

Which lie will you pull again?

See how the double standard ran away from Biblehub to just AI in other to get the meaning of Arché.

I've attached the meaning from Biblehub, provide your own screenshot from Biblehub to proof me wrong.

When it suits you, you use Biblehub but when it's against your claim you turn it down. Hypocrite!

Janosky:
If you edit John 17:22,24 in your own Bible,just put the answer you want there.


Right now John 17:22,24 has fulfilled..

He can't answer the simple question.

Okay, let me rephrase the question.

Are the disciples EXIST before the Universe was created?