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Christianity EtcRe: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Enigma(m): 7:48pm On Jan 10, 2011
ONWARDBABA:
JESUS ENCOURAGES THE ISSUE OF FIST FRUIT DONT SEPERATE THE WORD OF GOD PLEASE
http://www.firstfruitsteaching.com/
http://truthandspiritministries.com/pdfs/ffoffering.pdf
http://www.gotquestions.org/firstfruits-offering.html
Do you understand the articles in your own link at all? Two of them do not support "first fruit" let alone January salary thiefing!
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Charges Gate Fees For Watch Night Service? by Enigma(m): 2:50pm On Jan 10, 2011
Christianity EtcRe: Pressure On Offerings And Thanksgiving Offerings. by Enigma(m): 2:40pm On Jan 10, 2011
The Sermon


A little girl became restless as the preacher's sermon dragged on and on. Finally, she leaned over to her mother and whispered, "Mommy, if we give him the money now, will he let us go?"
Christianity EtcRe: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Enigma(m): 2:25pm On Jan 10, 2011
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   * 3. At 2:30pm on 06 Jan 2011, AKPAN wrote:

     This is not a concession I ever thought I'd make, having always argued that our problems are caused by atrocious political leadership, but I'm now convinced that this is not the whole picture. For our gullibility (and our willingness to ignore the obvious) is almost unmatched elsewhere. Take the emergence of so-called "churches". These, to any rational observer, are clearly criminal enterprises run by snake-oil salesmen, who care as much about the teachings of Christ as an Innuit does about Tutankhamen's nappies. Yet, although many of their followers are dirt-poor, they don't mind "challenging God" with huge, regular "tithes." And not even the obscenely palatial mansions and private jets acquired with their "tithes" are enough to raise any scintilla of doubt the true purposes of these "tithes."
I beg, AKPAN helep me tell them oooooooooooo!


Alas, duplicity and cunning are considered heroic virtues by our people.
This guyman don identify why people like Joagbaje and him senior deceivers dey "popular" with some people!
Christianity EtcRe: Pressure On Offerings And Thanksgiving Offerings. by Enigma(m): 2:13pm On Jan 10, 2011
No mind Joagbaje! Once you expose the thiefry and false doctrine he starts asking "are you born again" when he should really be checking whether he himself and his boss are truly born again when they turn their backs on Jesus' and apostolic teaching.


As for the topic, even BBC Africa is asking: can you afford to go to church? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/africahaveyoursay/2011/01/can-you-afford-to-go-to-church.shtml
Christianity EtcRe: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Enigma(m): 2:06pm On Jan 10, 2011
alaper:
It seems the problem is quite serious!!!!

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/5397122-183/story.csp
Na wa! Even BBC Africa is asking: can you afford to go to church? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/africahaveyoursay/2011/01/can-you-afford-to-go-to-church.shtml
Christianity EtcRe: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Enigma(m): 12:37pm On Jan 10, 2011
Where did Paul ask for anybody's first fruits?

Where did Paul ask for anybody's January salary?

Of course he didn't because he was not a thief; only THIEVES demand "first fruits" and people's January salary!
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by Enigma(m): 9:34am On Jan 10, 2011
Ha ha ha see the deceiver has now completely changed post no 18 grin
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by Enigma(m): 8:49am On Jan 10, 2011
Joagbaje:
Proverbs 14:15
15 A gullible person believes anything, but a sensible person watches his step. 

 Proverbs 29:11
11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise[ man] keepeth it in till afterwards. 


You didn't brother to go to the link but when we share a testimony , you will demand for proof. See how your bias has landed you into wrong judgement . You have become partakers of another mans sin.you guys should repent.  Let's preached the gospel to sinners .

1 Timothy 5:22
22 . . . .neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. 

1 Peter 4:15
15 But let none of you suffer. . [ as] an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
No I didn't "brother" to go to any of the links; if you like you can 'sister' to go there. Going to the site was not necessary because I was making a more general point which remains true i.e. that WoFers, and you Joagbaje especially, have denied the divinity of Christ a number of times on this very forum; and when you Joagbaje were confronted, you started to "chop mouth".

As I have said before, you may be able to fool many people with your cunny cunny but I and many people are wise to the fact that bottom line is you are a deceiver out to maintain your income stream from being a Christ Embassy "pastor".
Christianity EtcRe: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Enigma(m): 11:20pm On Jan 09, 2011
Any person when carry him one month salary go give one "pastor" or one "church" for sake of lie of "first fruits" - na fool.

And dem talk say: "a fool and his money are soon parted".

If you like make you let pastor wife dey fool you with scripture on firstfruit (Exodus and all that) when be say na for sake may hin and hin husband enjoy all ya January salaries dem like so! Yẹyẹnatu!

You hear Jesus collect firstfruit from any pesin? Or na Peter collect? Or na James collect? Or na Paul collect? Or na John wen collect?

True be say na only THIEVES dey take sake of "christianity" collect "first fruit"

Yes, I said it: only THIEVES use "Christianity" as a ruse to demand "first-fruits".
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by Enigma(m): 11:07pm On Jan 09, 2011
I have not gone to the links and I won't bother. However, I do know that the Word of Faith people (aka WoFers) deny the divinity of Christ all the time ---- though sometimes in subtle ways. In fact their representatives on this forum have done the same many times; in one event they were challenged expressly and they started to waffle.

Paradoxically, they conversely elevate man with their "ye are gods" false doctrine.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Charges Gate Fees For Watch Night Service? by Enigma(m): 8:04pm On Jan 07, 2011
nuclearboy:
@Enigma:

Happy new year, Bro.

See, no one needs to crucify the damned - they do the job all by themselves. Told you that cup is about full. Soon, more will be exposed.
Amen bro, happy new year smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Holy Ghost backside Whipping. . . . by Enigma(m): 6:15pm On Jan 07, 2011
I wish someone would find the video in which "papa Hagin" said he was visited by two angels --- he gave two ridiculous names for the angels. I believe that the man was a pathological liar apart from being a plagiarist.
Christianity EtcRe: Todd Bentley -- Enough About Jesus by Enigma(m): 6:08pm On Jan 07, 2011
During Lakeland days (I suppose even now for some of them) the  pastor/MOG worshippers (some because they are "pastors" themselves) would be shouting "touch not my anointed", "oh he is a pastor and must be 'esteemed' " etc etc
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Charges Gate Fees For Watch Night Service? by Enigma(m): 5:46pm On Jan 07, 2011
Look me, I don miss some action oh! grin

Anyway, as one bobo talk am, na people wey carry dem leg and money go there be . . . .

Happy new year. smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Miracles Are Still Real (crippled Up Then Healed) by Enigma(m): 1:06pm On Dec 28, 2010
^^^ I don't dislike your face; I hate your false doctrine and poison and the arrogant manner in which you keep spreading it; I also find your boy boy licking of Oyakhilome's arse to be pathetic.

As for the information about the miracle, my first post stated that it was major news which means it was carried by several news organisations; all I had to do was retrieve the story; same with the case about your fellow "artists".
Christianity EtcRe: Right Vs Wrong Christianity? by Enigma(m): 12:47pm On Dec 28, 2010
[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=575072.msg7421073#msg7421073 date=1293536185]merci mille fois.[/quote]De rien, ma soeur.
Christianity EtcRe: Miracles Are Still Real (crippled Up Then Healed) by Enigma(m): 12:16pm On Dec 28, 2010
^^^ Did you read my post clearly at all? I said the particular case was major news around the world - I also said I dont know whether it is true or not; comprehension, mate! Why not google the person's name --- Delia Knox --- and see how many newspapers and news organisations around the world reported the story?

I chose to post from the Daily Wail or Daily Fail or whatever you might call it for my own reasons --- including the fact that there are videos and further links in it. I could have chosen a "quality" "broadsheet" if I had wanted. If I feel that The Sun or the News of the World would serve my purpose, I will post a link to them. Shikena.
Christianity EtcRe: Right Vs Wrong Christianity? by Enigma(m): 11:45am On Dec 28, 2010
[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=575072.msg7414582#msg7414582 date=1293432967]I will start by saying that there are so many things I don't understand yet. So many questions left unanswered for me. My problem (and it took a long time of soul searching and confusion for me to realize this) is that I can't reconcile my christian faith with that of my parents' and the nigerian christian environment i'm in with them. The reason for this dilemma is because I moved abroad and made friends with Christians who seem to be sometimes totally contrary to the ideals of christianity I had with nigerians. It kind of took away my innocence and I became confused as to what Christianity really is. I've grown more since then (in fact I'm still growing) and have figured out that the best way is to take my faith and Christianity personally. It should be strictly between me and my God. Rather than how yoruba culture or whatever culture you're in expects you to define your christianity.

for example, after living in the US for many yrs, I don't believe anymore in nigerian witches. Yes I say nigerian witches because our idea of witchcraft is non-existent and considered mere superstition among many western christians *gasp.* So are they any less christian than we are? Who are the better christians?
sometimes I feel like Nigerian christianity is still a mixture of traditional/pagan beliefs and western christianity. The way we nigerians worship, one would have thought that obanjes and witches populate the verses of the bible. But in reality, there are few if any references to witchcraft accusations and  in the bible. Nigerian christianity is still set in the context of pagan worship. We are always trying to diminish the "powers" of these traditional religions and village demons. If they were indeed powerless, as we often times say, then why are we concentrating all our christian lives to fighting them?
If we can nigerianize our christianity to that extent, why can't i individualize mine? to me, religion is personal and I want to get your opinion on this issue.
Is there is a right or wrong way to be a christian?
For parents living abroad, how do you teach your children in the right path? Have you considered these cultural influences? The fact that they  probably don't understand witchcraft or "satanic forces" or some other concepts used in Nigerian christianity.
To me, the reason sunday morning is the most segregated time in America is because of these cultural differences and the way they play into our religious beliefs. The american presbytarian has different ideas from the brazilian roman catholic who in turn is different from the Nigerian CAC or RCCG or cele worshiper.
What is your opinion on the right way of christian life?[/quote]Christianity is and has always been adaptable. It is useful to consider that Christianity comprises both doctrine (teachings and beliefs) and practice (expressions of different aspects of the faith). In respect of both, the universal church if truly it is guided and led by the Holy Spirit, as it should be, should provide a lead. This is true to a notable extent of some of the doctrines handed down by Jesus, the apostles and articulated by the church Fathers. Essentially, doctrine (in particular the most essential/foundational/important doctrines) really should be uniform; conceivably, regional variations in less or non-essential doctrines are acceptable and are perhaps in any event inevitable.

When it comes to practice/praxis, there are some things which flow from important doctrine and are to be followed e.g. action of loving one's neighbour, some 'ritual' practices like baptism and remembrance of the Lord's Supper (aka Holy Communion). Here again, there may yet be issues as to how to 'properly' carry out the action e.g sprinkling or immersion baptism or infant versus adult; also consider this, is 'Holy Communion' only to be with wafer or broken pieces of bread or is it conceivable that Holy Communion can be done with pounded yam or 'garium sulphate' (processed in water of 100 degrees centigrade)?

There is one major danger with the adaptable nature of Christianity ---- syncretism. This has always occured historically and continues to occur where Christianity is planted among pre-existent culture. Influences from that culture are introduced into the practice of Christianity by the locals (you can argue it was even the case with Judaism out of which Christianity came in any event). Even oyinbo man i.e. Europeans/North Americans introduced various forms of syncretism and today we see some of these things as more than normal e.g. who says a "church wedding" (or even registry) is really a necessity?

More blatant forms of syncretism include the Nigerian examples you've given and this daft idea of finding witches and demons every place when the Bible say to resist the devil and he will flee from you. In South and Latin America, you also find serious syncretism with for example Candomble etc etc

So how do we get over this morass? In a way, my view is that of a going back to basics: get a Bible that has Jesus' words written in red; study those words carefully and extensively and in time you will soon start to see what is important and what is not; what is necessary and what is not.
Christianity EtcRe: Why I Will Not Stop Giving To The Work Of God (part 1) by Enigma(m): 10:59am On Dec 28, 2010
cemehere:
WHY I WILL NOT STOP GIVING TO THE WORK OF GOD (part 1)

Giving is a general law, both in the spiritual and in the physical realm, it is a lay down principle of prosperity in the life of man. I know so many people has issues with giving. Some give to beggars and some to their families alone. Some give to friends for the sake of friendship, some give to those they love or someone they have feelings for. All these are good, but the important factor one will consider in giving is the reason behind the giving (i.e why do you make a giving?).

Giving to the poor or a beggar does not remove him from his present situation or neither does it change his poverty or beggarly mind set. Because there is nothing you will give to a boor man or a beggar that will satisfy him. A beggar is always a beggar until his mind is renewed from that of a beggar to a mindset of a just. The bible talk about a man as a result of his mind. “For as he thinks in his heart, so is he. "Eat and drink!" he says to you, But his heart is not with you” Prov. 23:7.

Now, there are so many ways a man can get rich in our world today, but not all kind of riches are from God. The only way a man can get rich from God is first believe in the existence of God and then must understand the principle of giving to God’s work on earth. God’s word must be preached and heard all over the world. This can only be done by financing the spread of his gospel. Wow,  what a place to lay down my finance.

Now look at it, if a common giving to the poor or a beggar, brings a blessing, think about giving to God’s work, what kind of blessing do you expect? If God is real according to his word from the bible, and from all the outstanding testimonies we have read about from his written word, then who am i that i cant give to the growth and spread of his gospel. Look at this scripture bellow:

(Luke 8:3 (King James Version)
3And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.
Remember that God does not use dollars($) in heaven neither does he use pound(£) or naira(N) so you don't expect God to start sending money from heaven to finance his church. But the mystery of giving to God’s work on earth is simply the a way of contacting spiritual blessing in order to attract or activate the physical blessings God has for us.

As a Born Again Christian, i have first lived a life before this, and i know all what i did in the past. The truth i cant any other life ex-where, only in Christ.
In conclusion, giving is a choice, and also a life style. You can decide as a choice, and you can live it as a life. But if you don't believe in it, then don't discourage others.

Romans 14:1-12 (King James Version)
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Severe brainwashing and an example of why some of us detest the likes of Oyakhilome etc so much. Jesus said give to the poor and that when you give to the poor you give to Him/Jesus; the charlatans say "no no no Jesus was wrong and did not know what He was talking about; if you want to be rich, instead of following what Jesus said give your money to Oyakhilome and his like". Then to complement the brainwashing, they make a show of giving "things we don't necessarily use" once in a while.

Mr. Poster, open your eyes! What you are posting contradicts what Jesus taught and teaches His followers to do.
Christianity EtcRe: Miracles Are Still Real (crippled Up Then Healed) by Enigma(m): 10:52am On Dec 28, 2010
I of course do not believe the lies and fraudulent claims of miracles etc of Christ Embassy --- so this post is not particularly to support any claim being made on this thread.

Nevertheless, totally unrelated to Christ Embassy, the following was major news aroubd around the world recently; while I don't know whether it is true or not, the claims and the nature of the reporting does indeed suggest that something miraculous or at least more than ordinary happened in this case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340497/I-walked-walked-I-felt-like-I-entered-realm-Woman-paralysed-23-years-ago-cured-British-spiritual-healer.html

She was paralysed from the waist down when a drink driver ploughed into her car on Christmas Day in 1987.

Then this year, during a visit to a British spiritual healer, Delia Knox suddenly stood up and walked.

And the 46-year-old has been walking ever since.
Christianity EtcRe: Linear Chance? by Enigma(m): 12:01am On Dec 25, 2010
@ aletheia

Lord have mercy; happy Christmas, bro. And happy Christmas to all as well.
Christianity EtcRe: Linear Chance? by Enigma(m): 11:11pm On Dec 24, 2010
Off topic @ aletheia

[size=4pt]Reports of bomb blasts in Joshuh[/size]
Christianity EtcRe: Proof: Accuracy Of New Testament Accounts Of Jesus Using An Inverted Logic Tree by Enigma(m): 10:50am On Dec 24, 2010
A person presenting a case for court selects and decides his own witnesses as well as which evidence to present. It is for the other side, the opponent, to choose which witnesses they wish to put forward and which evidence they wish to present.

Further, in a case involving an event that took place in public among a large number of people - take even a small "large" number of fifty - it is not common at all that all the witnesses will be called by either or both sides.

Relating it to the Bible canon, it is actually a rather lazy and pitiful argument to hark on that some books were excluded from the Bible and to imply a capricious motive for the exclusion. The task for those against the canon would be to delve into some of the excluded books that are still extant and to show, if they can, that they disprove the message of the established canon.
Christianity EtcRe: Linear Chance? by Enigma(m): 10:15am On Dec 24, 2010
How many things created even by humans are created without purpose ----- even if the purpose is simply for the amusement of the creator and not any particularly functional other purposehuh
Christianity EtcRe: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Enigma(m): 9:12am On Dec 21, 2010
According to Joagbaje's own article:
And a few verses later in Acts 11:21 we read, "And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord."  This is Biblical repentance,  acknowledging one's guilt of sin and turning to the Lord for forgiveness.
Yet Joagbaje himself says: "If you're not born again, you don't have business asking for forgiveness because God will not hear it. Forgiveness is only for a born again person."
Christianity EtcRe: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Enigma(m): 2:15pm On Dec 20, 2010
^^^ Look, we are operating on your words: you said a non-Christian (a person not born again) cannot obtain forgiveness from God. That is what caused the issue; none of us arguing with you has denied the importance of "repentance"; in fact it was someone on your side who even said, wrongly of course, that a Christian does not need repentance!

Considering your words that a non-Christian cannot obtain forgiveness, here is a scenario.

In 2003 Idowu, a 23 year old non-religious man, shot another man dead. He escaped justice because there was no witness. In 2010, now 30 years old, Alaba Idowu is grieved by conscience; he raises his eyes up and says "God please forgive me for killing that man, I really feel bad now."
Christianity EtcRe: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Enigma(m): 1:20pm On Dec 20, 2010
Look at you confusing yourself! Do YOU agree with your own article that repentance and faith are inseparable?

If you do why then did you question the salvation of PRINCE4CHRIST who evidently has faith, who evidently believes?
Christianity EtcRe: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Enigma(m): 1:01pm On Dec 20, 2010
Repentance and faith are inseparable. In the Gospel of John, the word “believe” is mentioned 85-times; but the word “repent” is never mentioned even once. This clearly evidences that the sinner who believes on the Lord for salvation has also repented.

You can't turn to the Savior for forgiveness of sins without turning your back against sin (not the literal forsaking of the act of sin, but a realization of one's having violated God's holy Law and deserves punishment in Hellfire).
The more I read your article, the more I realise you don't agree with it. Regarding the quote, since PRINCE4CHRIST already believes why are you questioning his salvation and asking him to repent?
Christianity EtcRe: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Enigma(m): 12:57pm On Dec 20, 2010
If this were true, then no one could be saved because we are all sinners incapable of ceasing from sin. Even the best of Christians still commit sin! Believers shouldn't commit any sins; but the fact of the matter is that we all do.
Are you sure you agree with your own article? After all you say you are not a sinner but the article says you are!

BTW read ACts 8 to see an example of a believer (i.e. a Christian) told to "repent".
Christianity EtcRe: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Enigma(m): 12:20pm On Dec 20, 2010
^^^

Look, I've wasted enough time with you. The last thing I need to say is about your double-standard ----- Liardon is forgiven because he was "born again" before his actions but PRINCE4CHRIST may not be "born again" and may not receive forgiveness. Typical "MOG" worshipping slave mentality. smiley
Christianity EtcRe: I Found Myself Asking God For Forgiveness Daily by Enigma(m): 11:22am On Dec 20, 2010
Joagbaje:
It's the holy spirit that convict the world of sin. A man that is unsaved is dead and blind. But through the word of God , the holy spirit opens a man up to see the need for a saviour. Then he embrace life.
That is your problem/conundrum that you cannot see (and that fuels your arrogance)

If a man is dead and blind, how does the Spirit "open the man up to see the need for a saviour" ---- unless the man is first wakened from the dead, wakened from his death, made alive again in other words born again?

No problem, if you don't get it.


BTW, the OP calls himself PRINCE4CHRIST, yet you suggest he might not be born again because the man says he sins ----- whereas Liardon, and Haggard the homosexuals and Oyakhilome the false teacher you will see as "born again" without asking questions?

Do you see the double-standard?

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