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Take the word "minister" used by many as a symbol status and by some here as connoting some special privileges.

Contrast with the intended meaning of "servant" or at least "server" and also compare/contrast with the passage referred to above.

E pass me; even the Bible itself speaks of pure religion acceptable to God!

@Jesooul

Thanx oh and hope e'ything is ah ight now. Obviously me sef I raise my hand for religioushead since I understand the term to include Christians.

Sorry nah nah, he was caught plain red handed; I'm sure even he would not be fool hardy enough to deny it. He did not post on the Religion section (at least not as Deep Sight) again from the moment he was plain caught out.

[quote author=Okija_juju link=topic=628715.msg7961719#msg7961719 date=1300794166]Sipping on pinacolada[/quote]Away from all the drama

Jenwitemi:
. . . Deepsight has already left in utter disgust.

Nonsense, the guy was caught red handed using double IDs and promptly disappeared.

Ah, seems you are right; more's the pity!

Joagbaje:
@Nuclearboy
There is no lie, if I want to lie, I should have rather said she got healed instantly that should make me feel powerful. But I stated the truth. I have prayed for other blind people before that didn't recieve healing. But the healing thing ,the more you do it the more the grace increase.

My greatest desire is to raise the dead. I have prayed for couple of dead people but didn't have result, but I finally had a dead lady rise,

I just ministered to some sick people that got healed, the power of God was still on me , when my Capenter came crying that I should excuse him to go home, that he was just told that his sister just died, they wanted to take her to the mortuary and they wanted him to be there. (I had just read the book. MEGA SHIFT. if you read that book , you will have faith to raise the dead)

I asked him if she was born again, he said "no" I felt compassion that she was going to Hell. I prayed in tongues . I asked God to grant her another opportunity for her salvation. Then I put my hand on his own. I blew air on it. I told him to lay his hands on her and command her spirit to come back into her body. He went and do it and she rose up. Every body shouted. They later took her to hospital for check up. I had to rush there and fulfilled my own promise to God by leading her to christ.

Ha ha ha  Joagbaje raised someone from the dead and it did not secure him a one on one face to face with his boss, Chris 'Spiritual Vagabond' Oyakhilome? It did not make the newspapers? Well, I never! 

I'm sooooo looking forward to watching this when it airs.

dare2think:
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As for pastor Chris being popular world wide. I live in UK i can tell you , most ppl have not heard of him talkless of giving a shiit.

This is one thing that this people have not realised. Even the ones who are (or were) here people have not heard of ---- whether Ashimolowo or the topical Oduleles. Typically, it is the Nigerian and, to a lesser extent, other African and Caribbean people who pay any attention to these charlatans.

Also, when it comes to "Christian" television here in the UK, who bothers to watch? Typically, it is usually the members of the "churches" of the charlatans that watch! When someone like Joagbaje presumes to talk about what is happening in the UK what he doesn't know is that he is exposing his own foolish ignorance and making himself a laughing stock. Take again the "Christian" channels like TBN or Loveword ---- here in the UK their programmes are never shown on regular TV; even in the satellite spectrum they are lumped together as a specialist genre and given channel slots that are far far back from the channels that most people watch. The truth is that most people in the UK do not even look in into those channels at all! So when the ignoramuses say they are "spreading the gospel" by satellite they do not know that they are deceiving themselves; in fact, it is worse than that because they are actually being deceived by their charlatan leaders who know what they are doing --- i.e. targetting the same mugu base that the various "churches" are all competing for ----- not the general UK population.

They are even playing a sleight of hand with "Go and sin no more".

Who did Jesus tell "Go and sin no more"? How many people did Jesus tell "Go and sin no more"?

^^^ You see why you are fooling and confusing yourself and your theology is just nonsensical.

If you need to "lead them to Christ", that means they are/were not Christians; BUT you are the same person who says God does not hear the prayers of non-Christians.

In any event it is rubbish; if God heals you, he heals you and it is permanent. If fake healers like Oyakhilome, Cerullo etc lie that a person is healed we have seen many examples where they died --- including this poor four year old girl. You and your lot stink and are odious to right thinking people - whether Christian or not.

Let us clarify what Joagbaje is saying:

1. The FOUR year old girl had cancer
2. The girl was healed of the cancer by God --- and because of her parents's faith according to Agbaje's theology.
3. The healing of the girl by God was taken away because of the parents' lack of faith.
4. "God" took away the girl's healing because of her parents' lack of faith; yeah right, some "god" indeed"

Obviously, if Joagbaje believes this he is deluded as we have always claimed. If he does not truly believe it and just puts it forward, then he is a wicked, callous and heartless charlatan ---- as with all those who wilfully preach this nonsense.

Questions

1. The parents' faith was strong enough to ensure the girl's healing but not strong enough to retain it?
2. Which of the two requires stronger faith - healing in the first place or retention of healing?

Dem never finish the "binding" so?

^^^ In other words, you have no cogent or even sensible answer - as expected. Cool.

Well God sees all the charlatans that do this kind of wickedness to children and other innocent people.

Digression: Joagbaje and Azibalua have not been seen in the same room at the same time --- particularly in Yenagoa where they both live. Hmmmmm

You have an unanswered question here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-617745.32.html#msg7872626

Please show some integrity and don't be a coward; please answer the very legitimate question in view of what you said over there.

In the video, Cerullo asked the little girl to do some running on the stage; he asked her if she felt any pain, she said no; Cerullo then declared that she had been healed of cancer of the bone. However, read the quote below for the final outcome.

"Another sad case from the Mission to London 1992 was that of the beautiful four year-old African girl Natalia Barned who had neuroblastoma (a childhood cancer growing above the kidney). She was pronounced healed by Cerullo after she showed an absence of pain. The following day Cerullo led the congregation in thanks to God for healing of the cancer. Tragically, within two months, she had died of that same disease"

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Cerullo

So please explain to us how this poor FOUR year old girl was healed but lost her healing!

Joagbaje:
Where did you get this theology from?. The blessing of God never changed status. The principles of God are universal.  The blessing is a spiritual thing, it brings physical manifestations. The riches are only manifestations . The blessing itself can make a man rich. . . .

This same person is the one who says the "standard" of salvation has changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament; this is the same person who says this same Abraham is learning from him about "the new life". The bottom line is that their theology, like their attitude, is predicated on fraud.

^^ Ah "one of us"   mine too was a couple of days ago Happy birthday

I hope you are aware that you're breaking spiritual laws and sinning against God by all these evil speakings against these men  of God.

Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

2 Peter 2:10
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:8
8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

@ Joeagbaje

It doesn't bother me if you change your name and choose to post with another ID; just do it with integrity (not this talking to and voting for yourself business); if you insist on a new ID, I will respect that and call you by that ID and not Joagbaje.

Meanwhile if when (even this minute/second?) you see Azibalua, please greet him, erm, her for me. 

Let's add one or two tings to the mix.

Did the apostle Peter ever advertise or hold a "miracle crusade"?

Did the apostle Paul ever advertise or hold a "miracle crusade"?

Did James, John  or any of the other apostles ever advertise or hold a "miracle crusade"?


In truth, often the apostles did not even know beforehand that God would do a miracle through them. They were usually just going about normal living or normal preaching when an occasion for a miracle arose and God's power came through them.

Examples

1. Peter at the gate Beautiful
2. Paul and the lad who slept and fell from a window
3. Paul and the cripple at Lystra

etc ect ect

Nowadays we have charlatans advertising crusades at which they claim they will be dashing out miracles yanfu yanfu.

Wicked liars to a man --- and woman for that matter.

Yes, indeed upon checking I am now realising that the thread was deleted.

For the records:

1. I did not start the thread
2. I am 99% certain that I did not make a single post on that thread.

Joagbaje:
I will appreciate you bring it up.

Naah, your claims (in fact your lies) your proof.

I'll go one step further than I've done and say that I don't even think I posted on that thread at all.

^^^ Sorry you are very wrong; in fact I am being kind by not saying you are a liar. Why not bring up the thread. I can do it but I want you to do it yourself.

PS you are again wrong that the info you shared did not reveal your identity; they diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid; your name, the university you went to, the names of other exhibitors etc etc.

Stop digging yourself further and further into the hole. Just REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^ He even linked to newspaper articles etc.

Now hypocritically talking about "privacy". Yeyeful!

^^^ Come to think of it, that is very true. This is the same Joagbaje that is always going on and on about what he does, how much he earns, how much he gives including putting pictures of other people up, the same Joagbaje who is always advertising ---- now complaining of privacy.

Privacy ko fraudulent posts ni!

Look Joagbaje, you have simply been exposed as a fraud and it now even makes it easy to understand why you are ready to defend the Oyakhilome the bigger fraud. You both have the same mindset ---- a ready willingness to deceive others for the sake of personal gain and profit. Birds of the same feather.

Also, as has been pointed out, the defenders saying no big deal with the double IDs especially in this case show that there is no truth in them and they are steeped in falsehood. They do not care for truth and are far from the fruit of the spirit.

OK, here is a chance for them to redeem themselves a bit: if double ID is not so bad, do the supporters also defend the fraud of Akhozem/Joagaje talking to himself on February 28? {Incidentally, the 28 connection is interesting in view of another ID kenyan28 )

Thanks jare; and as ever, once the false doctrine is exposed, they run away only to wait for another opportunity to introduce the poison of their falsehood (which some of them must know to be false) elsewhere!

@Joagbaje

You have said twice on this thread that I was involved in privacy attacks on you. I do not think this is true and I believe you are incorrect.

Please point to the post/s in which I made privacy attacks on you; if they exist, they should be easy to find.

Thanks.

Zikkyy:
Joagbaje voted for himself with a different ID damn

I have to agree with Jo though, i dont think he is mabel

No he is not mabell; mabell is believed to be his wife. The fact though is that mabell, pretending she did not know Joagbaje, posted to "big him up".

They have been at the deceit for a long time. One day they will fully reveal their hands with kenya28 issue too. They may think they are on notice and try to be careful but "one day go be one day".

^^^ Better use this opportunity to confess your other IDs and frauds.