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Abdulgaffar22:
Honestly you have to study Bible with great care to understand the whole truth. Many have tempered with the Bible to distort the true mission of Jesus christ. Please read below to see the forgery behind matthew 28:19
If Jesus (pbuh)
was actually the last prophet of God sent to the
entire world, then why did he have to say: I WAS
NOT SENT EXCEPT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE
HOUSE OF ISRAEL (Matthew 15:24)? Now
compare this Biblical verse with this Qur’anic
verse; And We have not sent you (O Muhammad-
pbuh) except as a giver of glad tidings and as a
Warner to all mankind, but most men do not
know (Qur’an 34:28). See how Bible categorically
declared that Jesus (pbuh) was sent only to the
Israelites and see how Qur’an declared that
Muhammad (pbuh) was sent to all mankind!
There is no any indication in that Biblical verse
that Jesus (pbuh) would later have anything to
do with the Non- Israelites. In fact, when Jesus
(pbuh) was sending out his apostles for
evangelical mission, he also warned them
categorically to avoid preaching to the Gentiles
i:e the Non-Israelites: THESE TWELVE JESUS
SENT FORTH, AND COMMANDED THEM,SAYING,
GO NOT INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES,AND
INTO ANY CITY OF THE SAMARITANS ENTER YE
NOT: BUT GO RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF
THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL (Matthew 10:5-6). This
further corroborates the fact that Jesus was sent
only to the Israelites. But many of the Christian
scholars proclaimed that this command of not
preaching to the Gentiles was later cancelled and
replaced by new command of preaching to all the
nations in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus was
reported to have commanded the apostles to
make disciples of all nations. Therefore, according
to these Christian scholars, Jesus (pbuh) who
was originally sent only to the Israelites later
became the last prophet sent to the entire world.
But should we really accept Matthew 28:19 as the
actual word of Jesus (pbuh)? If the apostles were
later instructed by Jesus to preach the gospel to
all the nations of the world as spuriously stated
in Matthew 28:19, then why did Peter have to tell
some of the Gentiles (Cornelius and his
households) that sent for him as follows; YOU
ARE WELL AWARE THAT IT IS AGAINST OUR LAW
FOR A JEW TO ASSOCIATE WITH OR VISIT A
GENTILE. BUT GOD HAS SHOWN ME THAT I
SHOULD NOT CALL ANYONE IMPURE OR
UNCLEAN (Acts 10:28 NIV)? This very incident
occurred many years after Jesus’ departure from
this world. Was Peter, who happened to be a
Jewish man, not aware of the Jesus’ new
command of preaching to all the nations stated in
Matthew 28:19? Then why did peter have to say
it is unlawful for him to associate with or visit a
Gentile i:e the Non-Israelite after Jesus
departure? Has he forgotten such a very great
and important command in Matthew 28:19? Very
hard to believe! The fact that the other apostles
also criticized peter and became astonished when
they overheard that Peter later honored the
invitation of those Gentiles ( Acts 11:1-18) prove
further that Peter and other apostles were
completely unaware of the Jesus’ new command
of preaching to all the nations in Matthew 28:19;
Not that they had all forgotten. How could all
apostles have forgotten such a very great and
important command from their master? Even
when Peter was justifying his visitation to those
gentiles, he only defended himself and convinced
the other apostles by making reference to the
vision he had before he received the message
from those Gentiles (Acts 10:1-28, 11:4-18)
instead of simply reminding the other apostles
about the so-called new command in Matthew
28:19.
After Jesus ascension to heaven, Jesus’ apostles
understood the command of not preaching to the
gentiles so well that even under intense
persecution, they refused to leave Jerusalem
(Acts 8:1). In fact, those disciples under the
authority of the Jesus’ apostles who were forced
to leave Jerusalem preached the gospel message
to none except the Jews (Acts 11:19) and the
Hellenists (Acts 11:20).Hellenists are the Greek-
speaking Jews living in Greece. King James
Version of the Bible called them Grecians (Acts
11:20 KJV) and New international version called
them Greeks (Acts 11:20 NIV). But International
standard version of the Bible reveal their true
identity by calling them Hellenistic Jews (Acts
11:20 ISV). Ellicott and John-gill’s commentaries
on this very verse (Acts 11:20) also confirm that
these people were most likely to be Jews. You
can Google search for parallel verses of Acts
11:20 on the internet to confirm all these facts.
Moreover, if it was already in the divine plan ( i:e
before Jesus came into the world) that the
command of not preaching to the Gentiles in
Matthew 10:5-6 would later be cancelled and
replaced by the new command of preaching to all
the nations in Matthew 28:19, then Jesus’
statement in Matthew 15:24 should have been;
“IT IS NOT YET TIME FOR THE GENTILES” or
something similar in meaning, rather than; “I WAS
NOT SENT EXCEPT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE
HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. All these facts are enough to
prove that the new command of preaching to all
the nations attributed to Jesus in Matthew 28:19
and other similar verses like it in other books of
the New Testament are nothing but forgery.

YOU CLAIMED THE BIBLE WAS CORUPTED AND YET YOU ARE REFERENCING THE BIBLE TO PROVE YOUR POINTS.

WHEN , WHERE AND HOW WAS THE TRUTH OF JESUS TAMPERED WITH?

MUHAMMAD AND THE WHOLE LAND OF ARABIA HAD COPIES OF THE BIBLE , WHY HAVE THEY NOT BEEN ABLE TO PICK ONE OF THOSE ANCIENT BIBLES AND COMPARED IT WITJ WHAT WE HAVE NOW ?

IF THE COPIES MUHAMMAD READ FROM WERE CORRUPTED ,WHY DID MUHAMMAD USE IT AND NOT DISCARD IT OR ASK THEM TO BURN THE ARABIAN COPIES AS THEY DID TO QURAN?

The Bible is the words of God but the Quran is words of Satan.
From the beginning the Quran is a falsehood :
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

AT LEAST YOU CAN READ FROM YOUR QURAN THAT ALLAH DID NOT KNOW THE TRUTH AND HAD TO SUBSTITUTE OR CHANGE HIS STATEMENTS TO THE EXTENT THAT THE PEOPLE CALLED MUHAMMAD AN INVENTOR OF LIES.

WHY DON'T YOU GO AND DEAL WITH THE CORRUPTION IN THE QURAN BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND . THAT IS KNOWN AS HYPOCRISY.

Abdulgaffar22:
John1:1 declare:" In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." Here we see that THE WORD = GOD
In John 1:14, it states "The Word became flesh,
and made His dwelling among us." Here we see
again that JESUS = THE WORD. Simple logic
declares that if A=B and B=C then A=C.
Therefore, since JESUS = THE WORD and THE
WORD = GOD, then JESUS = GOD
Now that we have seen how the book of John
established that Jesus is God, let us investigate
whether the remaining part of the Bible support
this claim
1. Jesus was praying to the Father and he said;
And this is eternal life, that they may know You,
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom
you have sent (John 17:3). If the Father is the
"only true God" according to Jesus Christ, then
how could Jesus be God ?
2. Similarly in John 20:17, Jesus was reported to
have said “I am ascending to my Father and your
Father, and to my God and your God”. If Jesus is
God , then can God have another God?
3. Also Luke 6:12 recorded that Jesus went out
to the mountain side to pray, and continued all
night in prayer to God. If Jesus is God, who was
he praying to? Was he praying to himself ?
4. Similarly, in John 14:28, Jesus said: “My
Father is GREATER THAN I”. If Jesus is God, why
is he having someone greater than him? Can
anybody be greater than God?
5. Again in Mark 10:18, Jesus said to one man
who called him good teacher as follows: “why do
you call me good? No one is good, but one, that
is God”. If Jesus is God, why did he reject being
called “good” and submit that all goodness
belongs only to God?
6. Furthermore, in John 14:1, Jesus said “let not
your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe
also in me”. If Jesus is God, why did he clearly
distinguish himself from God?
7. Finally in Matthew 24:36, Jesus said; “But of
that day or hour no one knows, not even the
angels in heaven, nor the son, but ONLY THE
FATHER”. If Jesus is God, why did he confess his
ignorance about the Day of Judgment and then
submit that the knowledge of that day belongs
only to God? Can God be ignorant of anything? PLEASE ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS CITED ABOVE

THE SON OF GOD IS GOD , JUST LIKE A LION WOULD GIVE BIRTH TO A LION AND NOT A GOAT.

Did Jesus not create a bird using mud , according to your Quran ? How did he do that and who can give breath to a non living thing and it will bcom a living thing if not God.

I asked you before and I am asking you again, HOW MANY PRESIDENT DO WE HAVE ,THAT IS RULING , IN NIGERIA PRESENTLY?

Abdulgaffar22:
Please explain to us how the foundational problem of " who is God? and who is the creator" can be resolved USING THE BIBLICAL VERSES I QUOTED IN MY ORIGINAL POST

You mentioned so many Biblical verses , but I will take the Book of John :

John 1:1-3 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

FROM VERSE ONE , we have 2 important personalities which are THE WORD AND GOD. It tells us that the WORD is also God.
VERSE TWO also emphasised that the word that the word started with God.
VERSE THREE NOW MAKES US TO KNOW THAT THE WORD CREATED ALL THINGS.

For us to proceed further , ask a simple question and one or two references, if you like , which you feel contradicts the above .

Abdulgaffar22:
If it is true that God has nothing to do with the race of Ishmael, then Islam is fake and Christianity is the truth. Now address the points raised in my original post- the first and the second post. Using those biblical verses, explain to us how the problem of " who is God? and who is the creator?" can be resolved in the world of Christianity.

YOUR QUESTIONS ARE WHO IS GOD AND WHO IS A CREATOR ?


GOD IS A CREATOR WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH PLUS THE UNIVERSE.

Note also that God is a title or a common noun and not a name or proper noun.
This means that God has a name which is different from the word "God".

Genesis 1:1,26-27 KJV
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Exodus 6:2-3 KJV
And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord : [3] And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah , art the most high over all the earth.

YOUR 2 QUESTIONS ARE ONE AND THE SAME.

Who is a Creator ? God.
Who is God ? A Creator.

Your most "rational world view " is going to take you to hell.

There was a time when about 99% of the world populations believed the EARTH WAS FLAT , but they were RATIONALLY WRONG.

What is rational about Islam to you , is it the killings & shedding of innocent blood by its followers or the promise of hell that awaits you after death ?


Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, oill."............

Op, how many President do we have in Nigeria?

Pls, kindly answer this. It will make you yo have more understanding regarding Christianity and Islam.

That is Islam . They are thankful to allah with their wicked or evil hearts.

Allah is evil god and not the God Almighty who created the humans and the universe.

Empiree:
first all, you didn't quote him. Second, his statement doesn't relate. What you alleged that he said is backed by Islamic text, that some people will regret rejecting the truth of Islam. This is what Yoruba said in their famous statement: "may we not regret rejecting the truth after death".

Anyways, you should quote him for clarification..

It was him I quoted and you can find this on page 2 of this thread.

It was not an allegation , it was what he actually posted,as you can see from his post.

You said what WORLDWORLD posted is backed up by Islamic text , so also the Bible says that anyone who refuses to accept Jesus Christ will regret and end in hell.

All the same , let's pray so that the devil will not laugh at us at last.

Thanks.

Empiree:
you don't get it, do you?. Your initial thought was that suffering of Ahmad Deedat (ra) meant he was wrong.



Now you are trying to say suffering of your Jesus was good thing. You are incredible. Fact remains that if your Jesus suffering is 100 times that of Ahmad Deedat, then, your Jesus is more wrong. Simple.

Then you go on to say:

If however you are now claiming that suffering of Jesus was something positive, then, what's the point of saying Ahmad Deedat (ra) was wrong because he suffered and tormented?.

Bottomline is, suffering and death are test and trial. They don't necessarily denote positive or negative for whatever happens in their next life.

Since you knew this , why didn't you tell that to @ WORLD WORLD ? Below is part of his statements :

"Udatso, I believe that those missionaries who didn't eventually embrace Islam, who used to make Ahmed Dedat cry furiously by their taunting of ISLAM when he was so young died REGRETING not minding their business as it is on NAIRALAND.
"

It was his above statement that made me to remind him of how Dedat died too.

You should have told him as well that sufferings and death are tests and trials which do not necessarily determines where the person would spend eternity .

Empiree:
you still perambulate. Your point initially was sheikh Ahmad Deedat (ra) was terribly pained and suffered because Islam he practiced was wrong. Now you are shifting goal post.

You have said he suffered. I don't know how you gonna get out of this mess easily. Next time don't throw stone knowing too well you live in a glass house.

Fact is your Jesus suffered. And according to your initial logic, suffering denotes negativity and Hell.

Your problem is that you argue blindly.

Did I deny that Ahmad Dedat did not suffer?

You said Jesus suffered which I agreed to , but the suffering of Jesus was greater than that of Dedat 100 times.

Does that now mean Dedat did not suffer ? The degree of suffering differs in life , isn't it ?

Even a 7 years old would understand my point , so stop
posting unless you have a reasonable thing to say.

Empiree:
You switched mouth really quick when your Jesus is involved

Okay, Deedat didn't suffer. Case closed

I don't lie to prove my points , I have the fear of in me.

WHAT I SAID WAS , HE DID NOT SUFFER WHEN COMPARED WITH THE SUFFERINGS OF JESUS.

Butterflyleo:
Wow , amazing! May the Lord give you the grace to finish the race against all odds and may He cause his countenance to shine upon you and your ways in Jesus name, Amen.

Amen . I wish the same , in Jesus' name.

WORDWORLD:
I laugh in TONGUES. Have a great day. Am done.

I wish you the same.

WORDWORLD:
Did he died like a criminal nail to the cross? Am asking you?!

No. But Jesus was , for you and for me.

Empiree:
how did you know his cancer sickness was peaceful when he himself confessed the pain he went through?. There is no painless cancer

So your definition of "greatly troubled and tormented" was Sheikh Ahmed Deedat(ra)?. In that case , look at highlighted phrases, that fit the death of your Jesus as described by biblical accounts. He was greatly tormented and troubled to the point of crying out loud for help on the cross. If by your logical deduction Ahmed Dedat's death was a proof that islam is false, then christianity is more false bcus your Jesus died painful death. Besides, Ahmed Deedat was not criteria we judge islam. But your Jesus is used to judge your religion cus according to you he was GREATLY TROUBLED AND TORMENTED . HE WAS CRYING FOR HELP WITH FEAR ON HIS FACE ON THE CROSS.

The pain and sufferings of Jesus cannot be compared with that of Dedat's . Infact, Dedat did not go through any pain when compared with that of Jesus. He was also physically tormented and abandoned but Dedat was not abandoned , so you are right.

Just want to repeat this , Dedat's death was boasted of by WORLDWORLD and that promoted me to remind him of what he went through. I did not generalised it. And that is clear from what I have posted so far on this issue. There are many wicked souls who died peacefully but their judgements is awaiting them in hell.

Back to death of Jesus , he suffered all that on the cross for you and me . He was made a sinner for us so as not to face the punishment of eternal torments in hell.

Without Jesus , you cannot escape hell, that is the truth.

1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

I was a Muslim and now a christian . I can see or tell the differences and the truth that Islam cannot not save , it is a satanic religion.
This may be hard for you to believe , that is why you need prayers.

Empiree:
So now people should be judged by how they passed away?. There are no Christians and Jews that passed away in pain and suffering?. Christian evangelist liar, Nabeel Quraishi died of painful cancer despite given second chance by God to embrace the truth of Islam.

Ariel Sharom died after 8yrs of suffering in a coma. He suffered btw life and death for yrs. Does that mean anything to you?

Navel Quaraishi died of cancer but was at peace even till he passed away which not the case with Ahmed Dedat.

Everyone will die one way or the other but you could see from the video of Dedat on the sick bed that he was GREATLY TROUBLED AND TORMENTED . HE WAS CRYING WITH FEAR ON HIS FACE.

I wouldn't have mentioned it but did to let WORLDWORLD know how Ahmed Dedat himself died , since he claimed some Missionaries died horribly .

WORDWORLD:
Hahahaha ....... Bro leave them with the Mighty Atheists abeg to be running the show on that section. Perhaps some day those Mighty Atheists too will realise that the cant make any head way with such mindsets who practice BLIND FAITH because of their insistance that YOU CANT APPLY LOGIC AND REASONING when it comes to discussing about their religion. And it goes ironically like this "THINKING (logic) WILL LEAD YOU ASTRAY, I WANT YOU TO 'THINK' ABOUT IT" Hahaha udatso how can one make any head way with people who are always running around in circles always contradicting themselves. Udatso why should you be surprise that what you get as response are nothing but SENTIMENTS devoid of LOGIC and CRITICAL THINKING and most of all INSULTS. What else should be expected from Minds devoid of reasoning when it comes to discussing about their religion, cannot use simple logic to communicate if not INSULTS. That's the way their minds have been wired.

So, UNFORTUNATE they mostly cant think outside the box except a few and its these few interested in elastic conversation, who show respect should you invest your time in. Otherwise you are only WASTING YOUR TIME ON THESE LOTS!!!

The One and major reason why Muslims were designated a seperate section on this social media platform NAIRALAND is because of the honest observation of the OP. That section was created to make peace and despite the ULTIMATE DECLARATION OF THE MUSLIM FAITH as the pass into the Muslim section, these non-Muslim particularly FANATICAL CHRISTIANS, the BLIND, DEAF AND DUMB ones among them full of HATRED, yet do not hesitate to throw away their beliefs and embrace ISLAM which they despise so much yet accepting the SHADAH by the click just to come and cause troubles. It is indeed not funny such MENTAL ILLNESS really. Indeed it's a mental illness am very serious, its no insult at all just telling the TRUTH.

Udatso, I believe that those missionaries who didn't eventually embrace Islam, who used to make Ahmed Dedat cry furiously by their taunting of ISLAM when he was so young died REGRETING not minding their business at it is on NAIRALAND. You hardly find Christians telling you about the beauty of Christianity as to attract non Christian s. All they mostly do just as any honestly observer of NAIRALAND is to be looking for trouble up and down. If one is devoid of WISDOM what else should be expected?

Though Ahmed Dedat has returned to his CREATOR, may Allah bless him with Janatul Firdausi as well as all those who are not ARROGANT, who submit and submitted WHOLE HEARTEDLY to the LORD AND CHERISHER OF THE WORLDS. Ahmed Dedat's books and videos till date win UNCOUNTABLE hearts into the folds of ISLAM. Not to talk of his countless students alive today of which Zakir Naik is a prominent example. Udatso, my latest thread is titled, "I AM GAY" it is dedicated to a friend, am still putting my thoughts together, YES! NO STONE MUST BE LEFT UNTURNED. Hope you don't mind if I mention you with due respect but meanwhile you can kindly have a glimpse into it on my profile. PEACE BROTHER.

I pity you. Can't you see the end of Ahmed Dedat? He was paralysed and tormented for more than 5 years . Go and watch the video , maybe it will change you.

Go and pray to God to reveal who Muhammad was and who Jesus is to you b4 it gets too late for you.

Maamin:
It's a full package that comes with being a Muslim, "HYPOCRISY".

They steal what is yours and make it theirs and tell you yours is fake and no longer valid.

They stole bible records mixed it up with Arabian fables and condemn the bible to being corrupted.

They stole all the biblical patriarchs and claimed they were all muslims.

They stole Jesus and claimed that they love him and that they are the true followers of christ.

They claim that the present Israelis are not the true Israelis.

They attack you and when you reciprocate, they claim you are an intolerant fellow and a trouble maker.

They ask for evidence and prove for just about everything while they provide none for their claims.

everything is a lie and fabrication as long as it's not coming from a fellow Muslim.

I could go on and on.

But the obvious truth remain undiluted all over the world. That they profess religion of peace but act in the very opposite.

Truthfully , there was a revelation regarding this.

God bless you .

[quote author=Maamin post=68611088]

iceboy4752:
it is apparent who the abusive ones are already. Seun's comment does not change the fact that we get bashed at any instance. I've seen many Christian threads that ran as smooth as lotion, without a Muslim interrupting to ridicule your "Message of Salvation." Whenever we peacefully discuss ours, the people of the Cross flood the thread and castigate our beliefs. They also fire harsh insults at us, and we hardly reply with insults. I know someone will definitely criticize me for this comment. Despite these, we are still "intolerant."

What do you mean by " when we peacefully discuss ours , the people of the cross flood the thread and castigate our beliefs"?

Why do you have to leave your Islamic section to open a thread in another section made for others to avoid insults and abuse between the Muslims and other religions. Who then is a trouble maker? More especially when those threads are meant to discredit their religions.

iceboy4752:
It's because of your excess and otiose criticisms on the Muslims that Seun introduced that.

Seun once mentioned in one of his posts that you muslims are intolerant and abusive .

I hope he is reading this now and would make comments based on historical facts at his disposal.

melody91:
yes ..and I have questions for you as well..how long have you been on nairaland? do you know it wasn't that way right from time? and finally what led to it's creation?

I have been a member since 2012.

Since you knew , who should be blamed , is it a person that left his section\territory to post topics derogatory to another persons faith or the one that did not trespass but defended his religion with abuse and insult ?

melody91:
because he was honest and not bias

I want to ask you this , " did you know there is a section created only for the Muslims under the religion section"?

That may be the misunderstanding .

udatso:
I was referring to butterflyvin that post you quoted and not the op.

You said you were disappointed in the comment of @butterflyeo after what you posted, isn't it ?

The point is you shouldn't be disappointed because you were biased in your post , which is to the delight of the Op.

udatso:
If you could say this even after all that I have typed....then I am really disappointed

I never said Muslims have been totally innocent.... so what's with this reply? Did you even read my post?
Is kafir an English word? And you gave an English definition of kafir? You are Just like the rest who can't keep religious sentiments from logical and critical reasoning.

YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND READ WHAT YOU POSTED , EVEN THE OP THANKED YOU FOR IT.

melody91:
its obvious you're half baked literate...do you actually know what Idolatry means?
Idolatry is literally the worship of images( your white man Jesus pictures and statues comes to mind), but it is most
profitably interpreted with the more general meaning of
worshipping dead things of any kind, including treating
certain forms of religious life as more essential than God
whom they should point to( calling on to your Jesus instead of God)..still you can't point out to any proof of all that you accused up there.. shame on you

Your interpretation of idolatry is partially correct , which makes the insults in your above post your lot.

Whether you believe it or not , all Muslims are spiritual illiterates . You are committing adolatry 5 times a day in addition to that you which you commit on hajj . Think about these :

1... You all bow 5 times to a cubicle house clothed in black every day. All the Mosques in the world are built facing kabaah which was built by idol worshipers and used for idolatry , for more than 800 years , b4 Muhammad came and hijacked it for Islam.

2... It is written and known that the ritual to "tawaf" the kabaah and the tawaf BTW Safa and Marwa mountains where practiced by the pre-Islamic pagans. This is practiced now by the Muslims whenever they are on hadj.
Why circumventing a building 7 times unless there is an idol inside it.

3... Is it not idolatry to bow to a black stone ( meteorites)which was said to have falling from the sky ? This very black stone was worshipped by the pagans in Mecca and now planted on the wall of the kabaah for Muslims to bow to and kiss , as Muhammad did.

4... The Bible warns us not to worship the heavenly objects like the stars , moon and sun. There are many archeological facts showing caved images with the star and the half moon on them , which idolaters bow to as part of their religion.
Why are all the mosques in the world having this star and moon symbols ?
Why do they look for the moon to observe their holidays ?

5... The casting of stones or stoning the devil was also done by the preIslamic pagans likewise Muslims .

6.... The idolaters used to worship their god by the name "Allah" which is the same with Allat , the goddess , that made part of the 360 idols around the kabaah .

These were carryovers of the idol worshiping. Muhammad only repackaged the idolatry of his ancestors by retaining many aspects of the pagan religion.

These are references :

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman:
I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 22:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Urwa:
I said to 'Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, and I was at that time a young boy, "How do you interpret the Statement of Allah:

"Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah."

So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj to the House of Allah) or perform the Umra, to ambulate (Tawaf) between them. In my opinion it is not sinful for one not to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." 'Aisha said, "Your interpretation is wrong for as you say, the Verse should have been: "So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj or Umra to the House, not to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.' This Verse was revealed in connection with the Ansar who (during the Pre-Islamic Period) used to visit Manat (i.e. an idol) after assuming their Ihram, and it was situated near Qudaid (i.e. a place at Mecca), and they used to regard it sinful to ambulate between Safa and Marwa after embracing Islam. When Islam came, they asked Allah's Apostle about it, whereupon Allah revealed:--

"Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra, to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158)

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 661:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:
We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:

Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:
"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Deuteronomy 17:2-3 KJV
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing his covenant, [3] And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;..…..

Most gospel churches don't bow to the image of Jesus or Mary.You can't even find it in the the churches. Calling Jesus "my Lord and my God " is scriptural and not idolatry.

The Bible affirms that by knowledge shall the righteous be delivered and lack of it is a folly which eventually kills.

melody91:
another hypocrite on the loose, why can't you just attack me instead and not Muslims, no Muslim association or organization sent me to create this thread..every man/woman should be hold responsible for his/her action..you just proved my point, you have so much hatred in your heart to anything tagged Islam ..so much for your love ,tolerance preaching and pls links to the threads against Christianity or stfu forever ..

You don't know the true meaning of hypocrisy , that us your problem.

You opened a thread based on false allegation and lies against the Christians which should have been directed at the Muslims who you are soliciting for. Is that not hypocrisy ?

Times unnumbered we have complained about this unfairness against we Christians in the sense that you Muslims can come here and scandalise our religion but we don't have such privileges.

How does my telling you the truth translate to hypocrisy ?

I don't blame you , since that was how Islam started by discrediting our Bible , why won't you be expecting us to keep quiet whenever your Muslim mates come here to say rubbish against our religion , whereas your Islam is nothing but idolatry.

melody91:
that's one of the problem...because of my opinion , all Muslims suddenly becomes a liar or what do you mean by you guys lie a lot?..
secondly, where are your proofs on threads been pirated or hijacked by Muslims? show us or stfu forever. and lastly point out to just a thread where Muslims were looking fr trouble in a minute and I will point to u 10 of that of Christians in less than a minute.

Something is greatly wrong with you Muslims.

Can any christian come to the Islamic section and open a thread as you did here ? As if that is not enough , just like your co Muslims , the thread is always against Christianity .
What then do you expect ? We should fold our arms because Christianity is about love and let you discredit our Holy religion? It is not done .

The devil can predict and it will come to pass most(95%) of the times but the true prophesy of God always come to pass 100% God uses that to reveal who are his true worshippers.
There are fake prophets with satanically CORRECT prophecies.
The "Baba Alawo" and some satanist do predict and prophecy correctly , so it is not about how accurate a prophecy is that is important but from which source.

That is why Christians need to be prayerful.