₦airaland Forum

OkaiCorne:
Before the 10 commandments were given...did man know what good and evil was? Let me give you a hint... killing a fellow human was a crime in Egypt because it was evil, Moses fled Egypt for his safety.

Anyways the 10 commandments does not include tithing...


Before the Law, there were men who walked uprightly with God...did they make reference to the 10 commandments before pleasing God?

Did Job observe the Mosaic Laws before his ways pleased God?

If there was no reason for the laws , God would not have given it.

Abraham tithed . Jesus also confirmed that it should be done, why would someone wants to abandoned it ?

God would have told someone like Prophet AYO Babalola not to pay and collect tithe , if it was a fraud or a wrong thing to do so .

OkaiCorne:
What did Matthew 5 v 18 say...

Till heaven and Earth pass...One jot or tittle shall not pass from the Law TILL ALL IS FULFILLED.


Now ask... Has Jesus fulfilled the LAW? Yes or No...

Bear in mind Jesus fulfilled the LAW via His death...and after His death, were the Apostles and Christians bound to observe the requirements of the LAW? Did they offer sacrifices? Did they give tithes and first fruits or burnt offerings? Did they offer lambs or turtledoves to God to sanctify their new born babies 8 days after birth? Did they sew tassels at the corner of their garments?

Are you living your life currently by the Mosaic Laws?... Just like the examples I gave in the previous paragraph? If no...why?



Another question to ask:

Who was the Mosaic Law given to obey? The Jews or the Gentiles?

The Mosaic laws starts with the Ten commandments .
Are the ten commandments not relevant to the Christians because it was given to the Jews?

OkaiCorne:
Of course, Jesus did not come to abolish the law...but TO FULFILL THEM.

If Jesus has fulfilled the Law...are you under any obligation to obey what He has fulfilled?


And I hope you know the Mosaic Laws contains over 600 instructions to obey apart from tithes...

As for where tithing was reintroduced to the church...I'll put the story and source in subsequent posts...

Does it mean we should not follow the laws because Jesus came to fulfil it ?

Jesus says in the Bible that our righteousness should exceed those of the Pharisees and he upgraded some of the laws :

Matthew 5:18-22,27-28 KJV
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
[27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

OkaiCorne:
Yes, Acts 15 made reference to the entire Mosaic Laws... and not parts of it.

Did you read the Apostles response to the controversy?


You are not answering my questions.

1) Where did God instruct money to be given as tithes?

2) Were there non-Jews and Christians that gave tithes in the Bible?

I don't like to argue for arguments sake.

If tithing was resolved by the Apostles , where and when was it reintroduced in all the churches around the world ?

Are all the churches in Nigeria set up by man without God's direct instructions ? Why has the holy Spirit not reveal this to any of them including the great Prophet AYO Babalola ?

Lastly , Jesus told us that he did not come to abolish the laws.

OkaiCorne:
Is tithing part of the Mosaic Laws? Yes or No...

Was Acts 15 also talking of the Mosaic Laws? Yes or No...

If tithe is part of the laws , did acts 15 say ALL the laws ?

Lukuluku69:
12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Matthew

That is true , especially since it is in the Bible.

OkaiCorne:
You mentioned that tithing was not an issue with early Christians...

Do you recall the crises that rocked the early church with respect to obeying the Mosaic Laws ( of which mandatory tithing was part of) and how the Apostles resolved it through the help of the Holy Spirit in Acts 15?

IT IS LIKE YOU WANT TO WRITE YOUR OWN BIBLE , IS THAT NOT SO?
WHO TOLD YOU TITHING WAS PART OF IT ?
WAS TITHING MENTIONED?

I DON'T ADD TO OR REMOVE FROM THE BIBLE. I SAY WHAT I READ AND I DON'T ASSUME.

OkaiCorne:
When God gave the Jews instructions on tithing in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29, did God mention tithes to be given monetarily?


Also, can you give an example of any non-Jew or Christian that gave tithes in the Bible?


Lastly, Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 clearly instructed tithers to eat from the tithe as well, so why isn't this preached as well?

Because God did not mention tithes to be giving in monetary terms means the present Jews will not be paying tithes , isn't it ? If the Jews are paying tithes and more than 70% of them are salary earners , how do they pay it ? In monetary term.

Deuteronomy 14:25 KJV
Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:

Tithing was not an issue with early Christians and Jews that was why it was never spoken for or against.

If the condition specified for eating from the tithe is applicable to you , then eat from it as the Lord instructed.

Abdulgaffar22:
. But God Almighty Himself has carefully chosen the word "Islam" for the name of only religion He is going to accept.

WHO TOLD YOU GOD ALMIGHTY CHOSE THE NAME " ISLAM"?

Because you read it in the Quran does not mean it is from God.
The Muslims knew that there is a religion called Christianity , so they also decided to find a name for their satanic religion.

For Example:

Volume 1, Book 11, Number 578:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess( GUESSING IN PRAYER ?) the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people suggested the use of a bell like the Christians, others proposed a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but 'Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Apostle ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers.

IF GOD COULD NOT DIRECT THEM AS TO MODE OF WORSHIPING , WHY WOULD GOD BE INVOLVED IN AN ORDINARY NAME.

THE WAY THEY WERE GUESSING AND SUGGESTING WAS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE NAME "ISLAM AND MUSLIM".

DON'T IMPROVE YOUR HABIT OF "COPYING AND PASTING" , BUT IMOROVE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF QURAN AND HADITH , THIS WILL HELP YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

paxonel:
OK!
I have seen what you mean!

If you try to understand Jesus, he is not against anyone practicing the laws of their tradition where the individual comes from so long the law is not bad.

Note that tithing was not a bad law, so Jesus couldn't possibly go against it.

As a matter of fact Jesus was good enough to encourage the Jews to uphold their tithing law that was why he said THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE PRACTICED(not for you Nigerians).
And he will never support a situation where the law will be enforced to non Jews

Every culture and tradition of the world have their own laws, tithing was a traditional law for the Jews alone just like Yoruba or Hausa having some laws peculiar to them that are good, no Yoruba or hausa law has ever been enforced to the Jews you can't even try it.

Now, assuming you are hausa, and the yorubas by law were mandated to pay tribute money to oba of ile ife, will it be fair for any Yoruba man to compel you who is not yoruba to obey the law?
The same thing applies, you are not from the Jewish tribe, perhaps you are from any tribe in Nigeria.
No Jewish pastor have the right to compel you to pay their traditional tithe talkless of a Nigerian pastor doing that to you.

And these Nigerian pastors, they are not levites of the Jewish tribe, yet they are pocketing the money.
Is that not fraudulent distortion of Nigerians who have no understanding of scriptures?

The purpose of tithing is to appreciate God for His provisions for us.

Abraham was the first to tithe without the any specific law or instructions. After the Israelites got to the promised land God instructed the Israelites to continue in that act.

Since we are children of Abraham by faith , we should or are expected to appreciate God by giving tenth of our income to God as well.

Giving is part and parcel of the doctrines of the Gospel.

The truth is that we are expected to do more than giving of tithes like what Apostles practiced :

Acts 4:34-37 KJV
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
[35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
[36] And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
[37] Having land, sold it , and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.


IF DADDY FREEZE IS AGAINST TITHING , WHY HAD HE NOT SUGGESTED THIS FOR THE CHURCHES ?

paxonel:
sorry if you were offended but i must say it's time to leave these pastors
necessary for what, were is that?
this is not saying that tithe is necessary now.
As a matter of fact it is saying the oppopposite.

The scribes and Pharisees omitted the weightier matters which is the 10 commandments.
The 10 commandments are far weightier than tithe laws and they omitted it and promote tithe just like today pastors are doing, that's why Jesus said to them wore unto you

23  “How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your mint, dill, and cummin, but have neglected the more important matters of the Law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the things you should have practiced, without neglecting the others.

THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU SHOULD HAVE PRACTICED , WITHOUT NEGLECTING THE OTHERS.

According to the verse above, which of the laws were neglected ? Mercy , justice, faithfulness.
Which ones were they practicing ? tithing of mint , cummin .

THESE YOU SHOULD HAVE PRACTICED ( TITHING ) AND NOT NEGLECT MERCY , JUSTICE ETC.

23  “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You give a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, yet you neglect what is more important in the law – justice, mercy, and faithfulness! You should have done these things without neglecting the others.

JESUS DID NOT SAY " THIS YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE AND NEGLECT THE OTHER" . IF THIS WAS THE STATEMENT , IT WOULD HAVE MEANT THAT TITHING IS IRRELEVANT.

Lukuluku69:
God sacrificed Himself to safe Himself from His Eternal anger. Abi?

YOU ERR.

GOD SACRIFICED HIS SON TO SAVE YOU FROM ETERNAL SUFFERINGS IN HELL.

John 3:14-19 KJV
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

paxonel:
you see your life?
Christ was not referring to the Jewish laws which includes tithing, sacrifices, etc.
Jesus was strictly referring to the 10 commandments.
Thou shall not kill
Thou shall not lie
Thou shall not bear false witness
honor your father and mother etc

These are the laws and prophets he didn't come to destroy, not the Jewish law of tithing

Remember he started from verse 16 by saying let your light so shine before men?
Tithing was not even mentioned anywhere in that chapter i don't know what you are talking.

We only shine our light by not killing, not lying, not bearing false witness, etc.
Not by paying tithe

Who tithe don help since?

A reasonable person doesn't abuse .

If you want to make your point , go ahead and make your point.

What about where Jesus told us that tithing is necessary ?

Matthew 23:23 KJV
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

zionmde:
RUBBISH
While there are many Christians just a hundred thousand would change their lives. so many Christian destitutes out there, some Christian kids who can't go to school because of fund and all this man could do is to fund a terrorism breeding ground where they will still gather and preach hatred against Christians
Churches and pastors nowadays, tufiakwa

Don't mind him. You should know people like him are false.

He did it for personal political gain. He has received his reward.

Matthew 6:2-4 KJV
Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
[3] But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
[4] That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

RuthlessLeader:
This one na real sheep wey dem dey fleece every tuesday, wednesday, thursday, saturday and sunday. I ask you to perform miracle now or show me how your life is better than the muslim olosho on street, you wail and write 4 paragraphs nonsense.

Your pastor says your child be witch, you go believe. Him talk say he raise dead man, you believe when you never see the dead person for your life.

Sheeple for life.

JARGONS.

genkins:
THE ONLY FEE IS TO USE YOUR BRAIN.culled from daddyfreeze.com

July 25, 2018




All of you who keep worshipping


gods of men! Stop blaming the devil! Use your brain! Read what the Bible tells you. Your only debt is Love. Love God and love your neighbor.

Take a good look at this:

��‍♀️ Running to church fellowship 24/7 instead of tending to your business. When your business fails you blame the devil ��‍♀️

��‍♀️ Running to pay tithes to pastor instead of paying taxes to the government. When the roads are bad you blame the devil ��‍♀️

��‍♀️ Running to attend a one week youth conference instead of reading for your exams! When you fail again you blame the devil ��‍♀️

��‍♀️ Running to take your sick child to the pastors house or to the church grounds for prayers instead of going to the hospital for treatment! When that child gets worse or even dies! You blame the devil ��‍♀️

The Bible tells us that paying tithes is not for Christians!
The following scriptures tell you to leave the Law alone! As a Christian you are no longer under the Law

Hebrews 7:5

Matthew 23:23

Galatians 3:1

Galatians 3:10

Galatians 5:4

Galatians 2:17-18

Matthew 25:15

Exodus 23:19

Paying tithes cuts you off from God, you fall from the grace of God, and you are put under a curse! You are in sin.

You continue to focus on the wolf (the devil) not the shepherds (your pastors)! You accept all they tell you. You question nothing! 95% of sheep are eaten by their shepherds

The blood of Jesus is supposed to give you rest, but you are loosing your resting place because you are following god’s of men who worship Mammon.

Seek the truth

Remain Blessed

He is agent of Satan.
Before Freeze was born , Christians have been importing the Bible ( English , Yoruba etc ) into the country for their learning.


Jesus Christ himself told us that he did not come to destroy the law and whosoever teaches anyone to break the law shall be called the least among men.

Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The brain of Daddy Freeze is frozen , that is why he is not thinking rightly.

To be under the law means to carryout all the BLOOD sacrifices prescribed for atonement of sins under the law of Moses. But the laws like the TEN COMMANDMENTS ETC are to be followed by Christians .

There is no where in the Bible where Jesus told us to abandon the laws.

Jesus also told us that PAYMENT OF TITHE IS A NECESSITY :

Luke 11:42 KJV
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


ALL HE DOES IS TO ATTACK THE CHURCH. HE HAS NOT SEEN ANY EVIL IN WHAT THE MUSLIMS ARE DOING AGAINST CHRISTIANS LIKE THE THE CASE OF Leah Shuab.

Lukuluku69:
18:1 The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?18:3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.18:5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,18:6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,18:7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;18:8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,18:9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.18:10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,18:11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,18:12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,18:13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.18:14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,18:15 That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,18:16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,18:17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.18:18 Israel?18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. Ezekiel

I WANT TO ASK YOU, ARE YOU KEEPING OR WALKING IN THE STATUTES OF GOD AS GIVING BY MOSES TO THE ISRAELITES ?

Ezekiel 18:17 KJV
That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my STATUTES; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.

ASIDE FROM BEING HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS , THERE WERE SACRIFICES ORDERED BY GOD FOR THE ISRAELITES SANCTIFICATIONS PENDING COMING OF THE CHRIST \MESSIAH :

Leviticus 9:6-9,15,18,22-24 KJV
And Moses said, This is the thing which the Lord commanded that ye should do: and the glory of the Lord shall appear unto you.
[7] And Moses said unto Aaron, Go unto the altar, and offer thy sin offering, and thy burnt offering, and make an atonement for thyself, and for the people: and offer the offering of the people, and make an atonement for them; as the Lord commanded.
[8] Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.
[9] And the sons of Aaron brought the blood unto him: and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar, and poured out the blood at the bottom of the altar:
[15] And he brought the people's offering, and took the goat, which was the sin offering for the people, and slew it, and offered it for sin, as the first.
[18] He slew also the bullock and the ram for a sacrifice of peace offerings, which was for the people: and Aaron's sons presented unto him the blood, which he sprinkled upon the altar round about,
[22] And Aaron lifted up his hand toward the people, and blessed them, and came down from offering of the sin offering, and the burnt offering, and peace offerings.
[23] And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of the congregation, and came out, and blessed the people: and the glory of the Lord appeared unto all the people.
[24] And there came a fire out from before the Lord , and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.

THESE BLOOD SACRIFICES WERE TEMPORARY. IF ANY MAN KEEPS THE LAWS AND PERFORMS ALL THE ABOVE , HE SHALL LIVE , ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE , AFTER ACCEPTING DEATH OF JESUS AS A PERMANEMT BLOOD OF SACRIFICE , EVEN AFTER HIS DEATH IN THE GRAVE.


John 5:25 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


THE FINAL BLOOD IS THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

But the Muslims don't follow the statutes of old neither do they accept the sacrifice of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. How then can they be saved?

[quote author=Lukuluku69 post=69689352]

Your question is not the type a true child of God should ask or think of.

Your question is like someone asking you "which organ of the body do you prefer"?

Kingspin:
Haven't you saw the video some Boko-haram fans were openly cheering at them? Nigerians is watching how a Christian girl remain captive after her co-victims(Muslims) were released base on religion cum with abated killing in Jos, Benue etc. yet we have not seen any move or even speech from high profile Muslims pleading for that innocent girl to be release, non.

My president recently told Nigerians to hand over their lands or face death. This is an extremist behaviors.
Remember 2011 election was bloody innocent people women and children murdered only in the North, another election is approaching we keep watch.

An observation, it is only you that don't know some Muslims are terrorist but the rest of the world knows, so take care of that.

For once I don't think your opinion hold any water. Here is my submission to some Muslims CHANGE thou teaching and ORIENTATIONS. As for you accept to criticize wherever is necessary.
I will be glad if the North can go a year without genocide. This is my HOPE. END

[b]JESUS THREAD[/b

GOD BLESS YOU , BRO.

I WONDER WHY SOME PEOPLE WILL SEE A BLACK OBJECT AND BE CALLING IT WHITE.

true2god:
Thanks bro! The shia Muslims reject hadith compilations of Bukhari and Muslim (the two most graded sunni hadith) because they are bias and against the shia tradition. It is very suspicious that imam Bukhari did not record any hadith transmission from Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib or Fatimah bint Mohammed but recorded the hadith of their archenemies. Islam can be funny at times. Thank God for modern information, it is very difficult for Muslims to lie and get away with it, unlike 10-20 years ago.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

KINDLY ENDEAVOUR TO EDUCATE WE THE CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS IN ORDER TO PUT THE DEVIL TO SHAME.

ISLAM IS NOT AN ORDINARY RELIGION , IT IS DEEP AND DEEPER THAN WE THINK.


GOD BLESS .

sorextee:
I've been wondering how come you know all these things..

It is because I was once a Muslim and attended Muslim school.

Thanks.

rottennaija:
So Moses goodness towards the people turned bad for him years later? How ironic.

Exactly . The complain of God against the Israelite was that they were stubborn people , that is stiff- necked people.

Exodus 32:9 KJV
And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

The same thing they did against Moses which made him to get angry and disobeyed the Lord :

Numbers 20:10-12 KJV
And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye REBELS; must we fetch you water out of this rock?
[11] And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also .
[12] And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Kingstanding:
. What you are saying now is that Jesus said we should curse our enemies isn't. Which kind of Christian are you? If the early Christian prayed that all their enemies should die, Can Apostle Paul will have the grace to write all the epistle he writes in the new testament? Believe it or not you too are enemy to someone,if we should pray that our enemies should die I believe there won't be anyone left again on earth. Lord Jesu forgive my enemies and give them the grace to know you more Amen.

Let me say thus again .
The enemies I pray against is Satan and his agents of darkness. This was part of my argument.

Jesus prayed for his enemies and prayed for Peter and other Apostles but did not pray for Judas Iscariot. Why?

Like what the devil is using Islam to do against Christianity and the world at large , are we to continue to pray for Islam to prosper in Nigeria. We can pray and should pray for ordinary Muslims but not Islam itself.

You can pray for your enemies but against the evil spirit inside him.You cannot pray for witches and wizards. But other enemies should be prayed for.

Why did Peter not pray for Anannais and Sapphira ?
Were they not enemies of the gospel which Satan wanted to exploit?

BRASH:
My girlfriend's pastor asked her to swear by the bible that she will not commit fornication again. Though she refused, was the pastor right even when the bible says our yes should be yes and our no, should be no. He takes her as his daugther and calls and chat with her more than neccessary even as late as 10pm and he is married i don't trust him but my girl feels he is just being caring since he has not asked her out. Sometimes he gets jealouse because of me and often get angry when she fails to visit him at his request. He has other daugthers that he chats with or visits often but he seem to have special liking 4 her. He even had the gut to search her inbox.

He is more of fake than real. Instruct your girl friend to limit the relationship to church activities only . She should not take his calls whenever he call again to discourage him.

Lastly , you and your girl friend should desist from fornication.
There is no purpose of the two of you going to church if you cannot obey the commandment of God.

[quote author=Kingstanding post=69602836][/quote]Did Jesus pray for Judas Iscariot?

Matthew 26:21-24 KJV
And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. [22] And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I? [23] And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me. [24] The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

hope4nigeria:
you have no ideal of enemy they are talking about here! Not the neighbor who keep mealies with you, how do you pray for Fulani herdsmen who comes when you're sleeping to slaughter you, boko haram who will burn you inside church even when you don't even know them. Enemies should be differentiate, you must pray against determined enemy

The truth is that all these people saying that one needs to pray for the enemies are full of evil themselves.

These are the ones when someone obstructs them on the road while driving are quick to curse and abuse the driver of the other vehicle. These are the ones that abuse and curse when slightly provoked.

They don't understand that the real enemy you can pray against and God will answer you is the devil and his workers of darkness.
The churches praying against enemies are not daft , they know that the devil is the enemy.

Also , any human being who has decided to follow Satan , the Satanist , is an enemy and should not be prayed for but against. It is now left to God to deliver such or terminate his life.

JESUS DID NOT PRAY FOR JUDAS ISCARIOT , HE PRONOUNCED CURSE UPON HIM.

Any man who is determined to destroy your life or terminate your life or your children is not an ordinary enemy but an agent of darkness , that should be prayed against .

Ask how many of them remembered Leah Shuab in their prayers .

We all have enemies , who are family members , neighbours , co- workers etc who for one reason or the other don't like us and would not agree with us. Some would never even help you to close your gate against danger if you not around. Some will even wish evil should befall you . All these ones should be prayed for. They are ordinary person like me and you. They hate us for one reason or the other , but they are not witches nor wizards . They are not satanist.
Prayers against these ones cannot work. No one is calling these ones enemies. These are the one Jesus told us to pray for.

Thanks , I agree with your post.

JesusSonOfGod:
You pray for them to be saved. When they are saved, you will see the best in them.

I asked whether you will pray for Islam to be able to carry out its purpose and not for the Muslims.

Also , have you for once kneel down and pray that Leah Shuab should be released ?

OP, GOD BLESS YOU.
THANKS.

true2god:
Can you imagine Mohammed engaged the service of an assassin to get rid of his enemy? Muslims will never see it this way but a reasonable person outside Islam will understand this incident as pure assassination of one's ideological enemy. No wonder the english word 'assassin' was borrowed from the Islamic-arab word 'Hashashin'. The Muslims started the religious method of assassinating the opponent.

The shia claimed that the first rightly guided khalifa, Abu bakr As sadiq, assassinated Mohammed by using his daughter, Ayisha bint Abu Bakr to do the dirty job of poisoning Mohammed but blamed it on a Jewish woman of khaibar to cover up her evil. No wonder Mohammed's daughter, Fatimah, hated Aisha and Abu bakr so much and refused to recognize the leadership of Abu bakr. No wonder sahih Bukhari refused any hadith narrations attributable to either Fatimah or her husband Ali.

The 3rd rightly guided khalifa (Uthman ibn Affan) also murdered the 2nd rightly guided khalifa (Umar ibn khatab).

The 4th rightly guided khalifa (Imam Ali) murdered the 3rd rightly guided khalifa (Uthman ibn Affan).

The 5th rightly guided khalifa (Umar ibn Abdul Aziz) murdered the 4th rightly guided khalifa (imam Ali).

So if you look at the early history of Islam, its all about power, leadership tussle, assassination, coup and counter coup. Who did they learn it from? Mohammed of course. Can any Muslim deny these facts?

YOU ARE BLESSED.

DO YOU BELIEVE I DID NOT NOTICE THAT ABOUT BUKHARI ?
NO WONDER MOST OF THE NARATIONS OF BUKHARI ( 90% ) WERE FROM AISHAT.

I THANK GOD I AM NO LONGER A MUSLIM.

chemystery:
Hahahahahaha! And the spiritual knowledge is that god dumped his own perfect decision for an imperfect one.

The spiritual knowledge is that God can decide to forgive and manage a disobedient person and can also decide not to forgive but replace the disobedience man.

marooh:
When ur enemy is blessed they will forget about u....
Always bless ur enemy in prayer

Is Islam not enemy of Christianity ?

Can you pray for Islam , whose agenda is to kill Christianity and force your children to serve Satan?

When your enemy is blessed. he will not leave you alone neither will he help you but will oppress you till you die.

WHERE IS LEAH SHUAB ? That is the work of an enemy.

Satan is the god of Islam who has succeeded in caging all the Muslims and is using them to fight the Christians world wide.

Our real enemy is Satan and his agents of darkness , you have to pray against them and spoil their plans.

Why did Jesus not pray for Judas Iscariot but cursed him ?
Why did Jesus pray for Peter and not Judas?

Matthew 26:21-24 KJV
And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
[22] And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?
[23] And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
[24] The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but WOE unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.