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obailala:
I mentioned the 28 weeks ssp in my first response to you.

Coming back to the OP, I think both the boss and the woman are in the wrong. As most little companies in Nigeria do not have a sick leave policy, the boss permitting the woman some time off is a decision to be taken purely at his discretion. This isnt even a case of a sick employee, but rather an ill relative of an employee.

From the tone of the conversation, the woman seemed to speak arrogantly with a weird sense of entitlement; she clearly didnt sound like one seeking a favour. The boss on the other hand didn't sound caring or sympathetic; he seemed to doubt the woman's honesty. Truth of the matter here is that business has to go on, we don't know the full story; the lady might even have already been away from work for an extended period. Whether it is Nigeria, or the developed world, there is always a limit to which leave entitlements or discretionary holidays can last.

The company is not in Nigeria cos of the words used..I'm sure you will agree with me in the Uk no matter the situation you cant talk to your staff like that even if you own the company, if U fire them and they can bring proof of what they are saying, you are in a big pay out suit. More so the govt repays you the SSP you pay to staff so there is no financial loss as your NI contribution goes low at the advantage of the employer.
Moving forward The employer is insensitive, he could offer more time off work for the lady but remind her of salary instead of trying to pressurize her to return to work.
If she was one of my staff, I would put her on Leave and inform her bout SSP

obailala:
Yeah but even in the western world, remember that those entitlements have a definite limit; you mentioned that the company you work for allows you a full year sick leave entitlement with full pay, but the organization I work for allows me only a month with full pay, and there are several organizations out there in the UK which would only permit 8 days on full pay. At the end, it all depends on the policy of the organization you work for, and the discretion/humaneness of the ogas on top.

You also forgot you have 28 weeks SSP by law,. Yes some companies have 1 month sick pay .Some contractors in my Yard are of this too 1 month, they too have SSP, if that finishes you are signed off work either way you get paid something. I get one day added to sick pay and annual leave every other year.so it grows. But I don't take the P***SS.I have been know not to take sick leave for more than 4 years.

obailala:
I think the point most people are making on this thread is that the boss is within his rights to ask the woman to return to work or risk a termination. The boss may be said to be mean, but he's within his rights, business must continue. Moreover, I think the woman's tone was rather arrogant; she spoke as if it was her right and entitlement to be off work and not lose her contract.

Like you said above, may we all work with good bosses and in good companies.

There is such thing AS entitlement to be off work, Something we do not have in Nigeria but the western world had recognised long ago hence laws are in place to protect employer and employee rights at work. Each company has its own policy as to how they manage absent from work. We are not talking about AWOL here.

obailala:
I'm not really sure about the statutory minimum number of sick days an employee is entitled to in the UK, but I think it's somewhere about 8 days when the employer is required by law to pay the employee his full rate; afterwards, the employer is required to pay a statutory token amount (something about £90 per week for a further 28 weeks) as long as it is proven that the employee is really ill and unfit to work. Most companies/organizations however have their own policies; I once worked with a company whose sick leave policy stated a full month of full pay, followed by a second month at half pay, after which they now fall down to the statutory £90 per week. After the expiration of the first 2 months, the fate of the employees employment then falls on the discretion of the boss/company; in other words, the employee can be dismissed if the company thinks he is a burden.

In the case of the Op, the woman isn't even the one who's ill, so even if it were in the UK, the boss has the right to ask her to return to work immediately of risk a termination.

Im entitled to 1 year full sick pay at work
Statuary SSP one you talked about is 28 weeks, this is paid by the Government via the employer.
If one get injured during work, You are paid until you are well or the put you in a different role. In the EU, you get paid same years you have put in service.

dammy13:
Member of a four-man robbery gang, Offor Joseph, arrested recently by Police officers attached to Satellite Division, Lagos State Police Command, has revealed that he gave his mother N50,000 from his share of the N900,000 he got from his first operation.

According to Offor, who was arrested alongside Chinedu Ogu, a member of his gang, they have informants that go to banks to monitor individuals who go to withdraw large sum.

He said: “This is my third robbery operation. In the first operation, we made N900,000 and I got N200,000 as my share. I used the first money I made to take care of some pressing family issues and gave my mother N50,000; sister N15,000.

“We received information that a Lebanese man had gone to one of the new generation banks in Satellite to withdraw a huge sum of money. We have an informant, who pretends to be carrying out transaction in the bank, but whose job is to monitor individuals that withdraw large sums.

“I think it is insider’s connection. The gang leader has cashiers and others, who give him information. I don’t know the arrangement between him and the informant. All I know is that the information is always correct.

“Our robbery gang is made up of four men. I bought the revolver gun from a friend in Bayelsa State. He usually goes to the militant camp in the creeks where he brings guns which he sells. He sold it to me for N35,000.

“The second operation was unsuccessful, as the white man we wanted to rob didn’t go home straight. He was driving round Lagos and we were following him, but couldn’t pin him down.

“He would enter one club after another until the fuel of our Okada got finished and we couldn’t locate him again. That day, we resolved that we should not be robbing only white people. But our informant in the bank will always discourage us, saying Nigerians don’t withdraw large sums.”

On their last operation, he said: “On Monday (June 25) our informant told us a Lebanese man made huge withdrawal and gave us the description. We trailed the victim to his house in Satellite Town. As he was opening his gate, we attacked him with the gun and he handed the money over to us.

“Unfortunately, trouble started on our way home when Sergeant Momoh Olachene and a team of policemen on patrol chased us till we were arrested. We don’t know how the Police knew we were coming from a robbery operation.

“We would have shot the Lebanese man if he had resisted, because we were desperate to get money. I needed money to buy Keke Marwa (tricycle), while my partner, Chinedu, wanted to invest in commercial motorcycle Okada.”

The second suspect, Chinedu Ogu, said: “I haven’t made anything from the operations. The first time they gave me only N40,000.

“They usually take the lion share and give me peanuts. I am married with three kids. My wife doesn’t know that I am into robbery.”

A pistol, four live ammunition, bag containing N350,000, ATM cards and cheques were recovered from the suspects.

Lagos State Police boss, Imohimi Edgal, said investiga-tion is ongoing and that efforts are on to nab fleeing members of the gang, while suspects will be charged to court when investigation is concluded.

http://kikiotolu.com/i-gave-my-mother-n50000-from-proceeds-of-my-first-robbery-suspect/

If they where coming from robbery howcome they have just that limited amount? or is that the huge sum they went to rob?

Sanchase:
As usual comparing UK and Nigeria talk don start, my hand no dey !!!

This case was in the West def not Nigeria, we have nothing like coperate in Nigeria, we have Personal or HR, so probably the US.

pocohantas:
Then she should ask for it professionally/politely, and stop the emotional blackmail.

People in distress are not reasoning straight, the Boss is not in that situation, the Boss should be the one saying stuff like, take care of ur Son, keep us informed if anything changes. Then book an Agency, to be honest, if that was the US and UK, the Boss is gone as we speak .Unless they own the company.

pocohantas:
Probably her compassionate leave has been exhausted.
From the chat, looks like they have been on it for a while.
The work has to go on.

She can take an Unpaid leave, there is provision in the law for that.

obailala:
In the UK, there's a limited time period for which an employee is allowed to be away on sick leave. Nobody questions you if it's an illness or depression or heartbreak etc, bur once you exceed the allowable sick leave time, it starts with a reduced pay and will lead to a termination of your appointment if you dont return to work after a stipulated period. The only difference in the UK is that unlike the unfriendly tone of the Nigerian boss, the UK boss would culturally pass the exact same inhumane message but in a very polite tone. �

Just out of curiosity, how long do you think is too long in the uk?
That definitely is not a Nigerian BOSS..A Nigerian BOSS would even be more passionate cos we are more family oriented. Than the WEST, Hence these Employment Laws where brought in.Some places ie civil service you get your Sick leave calculated to the amount of years spent. working

alutapastor:
It is the height of insensitivity on the part of the boss. It is called a compassionate leave. So what will the boss do if the troubled mother makes mistakes at work that leads to serious loss from the organization due to her emotional distress during the period in question.

Exactly, U know Nigeria there is nothing like employment relationship laws and nothing backs HR

modupe2:
That is in UK. And I am sure even there, such request are not rudely asked for.

Read what I wrote again, I even gave an example of a worse situation, and if you read the conversation you will realize that was not in Nigeria, its in the western world. Read again
PS: if tha lady goes to work and the child dies, she could sue the company for aggravated stress in time of family needs. This is why we have loads of Agency here ready to provide cover. This is a classic HR case. of which the manager needs more training.

pp802:
As painful as it may seem, the boss is right anyways!

How will she get money to pay for the hospital bills if she doesn't go to work. The son is being taking care of in the hospital. What difference will she make if she stays in the hospital with him? Is she the doc or the nurse?

I know some emotional people will support her, but hey.........how do you pay bills if you don't work?

Boss is wrong, he will be fired if he was a boss in the UK .People take time off work for stress, could amount to two months, one of my colleague is off for 4 months due to anxiety as to her operation which by the way 3 months down the line still no date.

Driving under the influence of drugs
Driving under the influence of alcohol
Over and Under speeding
Driving for too long(Max should be 4 hrs in one stretch)
Driving Defective car(Non rd worthy)

Myself2:
Will that stand ??
If his lawyers can prove that where the vehicle broke down,there was nothing they could do to move it from there and also what if if the driver had put all the necessary C caution at a reasonable distance and had gone to get tow trucks to tow the tanker to a safe place or indeed if the driver had notified the authorities and was just waiting for help to arrive ??
Just thinking aloud cos I think the govt just wants to dish out news that is music to the ears of the people

It stands in the court of law, This is where the directors or BOSs are responsible for anything that happened btw his/their company and MOP. if the court finds out that they bridge safety regulations and me n u know they did then they are in for it. However its the state V them, so nah heavy case. This is how society adjust everywhere, something happens and they get dealt with others learn from it, heard this line ** Lesson would be learnt***
PS as for all the IFs,all they need do is check and audit the vehicle inspection and safety check.

Afam4eva:
Prosecute the owner on what grounds?

coporate mansluaghter!

rhythyson:
This woman be 16??

Ofcos she is, this is not Nigeria U cant forge ur age here.

Girlsavage:
Some Angry Police Officers This morning staged a Protest in Borno state Over Non Payment of Allowance, According to reports the Mobile Policemen were posted Maduguri in January in a bit to Fight Boko Haram, But are yet to be paid their Allowance, Hence the protest...

They could be seen with Sticks, Guns and others..

See More photos below!


Gossip From Ebiwali--
http://www.ebiwalisgossip.com/2018/07/police-officers-stages-protest-today-in.html

Sia baba
Make una enjoy unu change.it has come to stay.

EmagNig:
The Federal High Court in Abuja on Monday granted bail to the immediate-past National Security Adviser, Col. Sambo Dasuki (retd), from the custody of the Department of State Service where he had been detained for two and a half years.

Delivering judgment in the suit filed by the ex-NSA in March this year, Justice Ijeoma Ojukwu ruled that his detention since December 29, 2015, amounted to a violation of his right to liberty, Premium Times reports.

The judge, who rejected the ex-NSA’s prayer for N5bn damages granted him bail in the sum of N200m with two sureties who must either be a civil servant of Grade Level 16 at the minimum in the Federal Civil Service or private citizens, who have landed properties in the municipal areas of Abuja.

Dasuki granted N200 million bail by Abuja court lailasnews

She ruled that the Federal Government’s contention that Dasuki was being kept in custody on the grounds of his alleged threat to national security and his alleged ongoing investigation for money laundering did not warrant “abrogating his right”.

In granting him bail, the judge said should there be any further reason to interrogate him, DSS could only invite and interview him between the hours of 9am and 6pm on working days.

‎This judgment came about one year and nine months after the Economic Community of West African States Court of Justice on October 4, 2016, ordered his release from illegal custody; a judgement which the DSS had not obeyed.

https://lailasnews.com/dasuki-granted-n200-million-bail-by-abuja-court/

SO na so this matter take Die national DEATH, ahaha I don kpie,Una refuse to take the man to court and spilled rubbish which the man said he has no recollection off, and then preventing anyone from cross examining him, Oga at the tops, Una well done ohhh

Mowunmiaf:
Not so long ago, Nigerian singing sensation, Chidinma dished to her fans a relationship advice saying, ‘If I must brush before kissing you in the morning, we are not meant for each other‘.

Now, recently, she’s served yet another dish of relationship advice and has got people wondering if all is well with her alleged relationship with Kizz Daniel.

She wrote,

please if you are dating a fine person and you love your health, please I beg you in the name of Jesus Christ that said ‘it is finished’ on the cross, don’t go through their phone(s)

Read more here...http://aftrending.com/if-youre-dating-a-fine-person-please-dont-check-their-phones-chidinma-ekile/

if you know you know
she dey talk frm xpirience

sarrki:
I agree Pmb failed in security

I won’t look the other way on that

But for all the blame of pdp 16years heaped on him is what I won’t agree on

Also I won’t allow ipobs to play religious and ethnic card on him

the guy failed in security as well, there is no positive to this government, it is worse than the last.

obi4eze:
Your lord and saviour Buhari is no where near her in terms of intelligence.

Keep it up in your celebration of failure and gross incompetence

tell that guy to go shout sia baba for petrol station and take a pic 10 mins later make we see howfahh, lubish.that guy zomB nor get cure.

Issame:
A Young Boy was seen Trying to Stop The Gasoline Leak From a Tank Truck With a piece of Rag, in Lagos, Nigeria.

Watch Video HERE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNyKCBoRHd0

Source:
http://nairaplus.com/2018/07/young-boy-seen-stopping-fuel-leakage-from-a-tank-truck-with-a-piece-of-rag-video/

JESUS christi

Martin0:
shuuu,na wa for you, na when I talk say u never commot,for naija eh chai una body go just dey hot,na wa oo

chai,guy relax eh,e never reach to dey para oo

Me para aha, My Internet nah Almost free, your own nah 90% who supose para

Martin0:
nothing concern me with ur location challe

yeye dey smell E no concern you and U say I never leave 9ja B4, see as ur brain short?

eepris88:
No insult intended. lol @ 2210

well if na smart fone U for fit go fru my post nah U 4 nor make such comment.

Martin0:
OK, bravo!anything else to add to what you just typed ?

well for all I know anything is possible in ur dead country

you mean your dead country cos Im sure my location doeas not say Nigeria

gnice545:
Evil men controlling our political circus. She would never have been arrested in Nigeria. She was given ticket, knowing her source of wealth.

How many more of leaders came into power with such means?

I wish for a rebirth in distant lands.

even till now you still cant spot the mistake?? you are worse than the politicians for cluelessness.

jrusky:
Oh ok is that your point? Now I get it good for shedding light on that, appreciated.

But mind you I'm not part of the people that fell to Buhari pranks I will be the last person on earth to accept Buhari either his alive or death ok so get that fact.

By the way I appreciate your talk and argument. Now end of story. Thanks.

ok well its take quite a while for you lot to see the OP is being mischievous, if that politician descend on him/her, they will cry out oppression, if I was them, I will take down this post ASAP to avoid stories that touch.

EgunMogaji:
The 2006 Caliber indeed has a 1.8 liter engine option. How do I know? I had the misfortune of renting one back then.

A horrible horrible soulless vehicle.

ahahah U wan kill the man joy lol, a friend of mine bough one to fr texas, he just packaged it to re sell, I heard the speed sensor and the gear box are as weak as the jeep liberty rear axle. as they share same parts.

Akeelahtunez:
In case u don't know These are the 9 potential candidates bidding for presidency 2019
Don't only pray act on behalf of Nigeria , we can't keep loosing lives & property
#GetYourPVC ... #PVCJuly #HappyNewMonth

Atiku and PMB should retire.

Olanipereku:
by nearly killing my friend
pictures and videos coming soon

ok we dey wait.

Olanipereku:
he crossed the red line

your red line?