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rusher14:
Stop confusing yourself.

Banks have in their coffers the equivalent of 1 trillion naira which they are simply warehousing as we speak.

For me it means the same as having 1 trillion naira idling away.

This is why people fail English,these deposit are hard currencies they cannot sell cos of the new monitory policy kai is this hard to understand at least this is not grammar.Do bank sell naira to Nigerians in Nigeria? have you asked yourself how possible would it be for the banks to withhold Niara without closing the banks itself like the case of greece ATMs in Nigeria cant give dollars hence its in thier volts, if we have such ATM it would be diffrent matter.So read again, these are physical hard currencies not just figurs,For the banks to convert them to naira means they have sold them to me and you where this is not the case as suggested here the green back remains in its green state do you understand it now? its easy as ABC no conversion to naira can occur without the sales of teh said sum.If u cant understand this simple ABC wey my 12 year Old go understand that means I rest my case. cos your own E far.

make the Northerners start to plant tomatoes nah

rusher14:
And when you convert 5 billion dollars to naira you have?

Thats not the issue,Read well b4 commenting nor be by force,there is nothing or any policy on Naira spent or earned in Nigeria this has to do with spending abroad,U dey spend Naira abroad?? The bank has physical Dollars they cant sell this is what all this is all about, the cannot and will not convert it.They are in physical form Greenbacks grarrrith?

menxer:
well, on the flip side, all those sending their wards to school overseas and neglect to upgrade or update our schools facilities and curricula will have a rethink sooner than later

I smell jealousy if not what has this got to do with people sending their kids abroad to school??

rusher14:
These banks have a trillion Naira in their coffers yet refuse to lend.

You blind ni, them say Dollars

skimanski:
You are correct. But you should know that at the end the work (however how creative it is) will have to pay for its self. Even if you device a method that makes it cheaper, but it's still has a price. And that price is then based on factors which boils down to the 3 arms that I mentioned. Give It to Nigerians still. People are still attempting different ways to make they overall budget cheaper than usual and still with a better results, but ecomomic factors is becoming counter productive to the results.

Correct, so am i safe to say mechanization is the way 4ward? cos the way I see it, this is the only way to bring cost down, haven said all that,initial process will still need high overhead.

ndigbo:
The bus is owned by the state government.

Not all of them, some are supplied by private individuals as govt alone could not meet the demand.

BeeBeeOoh:
u're right my brother, fulani's sef. I taya

Bross go check wetin happen to them at Oghara wen they tried it.

mufutau55:
It's worth trying o. But I don't take Tylenol Arthritis tired o.
For soaking myself in warm water for one hour nah another war... I too tall for those bathtubs o.
So, see me see wahala o. God love me too much.

Hajji M.

Dont worry Im sure you can do some work sir,I'm going to develop a working aid for all the bending parts in your body with padded joints ,there is even knee pad

skimanski:
MAke Una no use Arthritis Derail this thread. Na una talk am say no Other topic. Infact no laff for this Thread on Serious issues. lol

Now my 2 kobo on this matter of Materials used in Nigerian Architecture. Like I always say, it depends on the balance between the client, the economy and contractor. i.e what the contractor has in store, what the Client is ready to accept and what the economy can favour.

1 THE ECONOMY
The Nigerian Economy isn't organized enough to enable a company that produces the wood they use in Building houses to stay and make profits. Hence me must import, there by increasing cost of Building with wood relatively. infact no business they make am, just say some business no get choice other than to stay. I'm even sure that the government will intentionally allow an unfavourable environment for these simple Building business Ideas so as to allow thoses their paddies that have cement Factory all over africa to continue making it.


2 THE CONTRACTOR
Some contractors are too based on how much they can make out of a project, and so if any process will slow that cash flow because they'll have to think extra, then its bye bye to such process. What i think is when contractors pick up a project. the first thing they should think of which is what I think of is how best can I make the house the finest and most creative around the environment and not bring a calculator out to calculate how best he can maximise his profit.

CLIENT
Some (Arsene Wenger Mr. BABA IJEBU) clients wants to build cheap house. Them want to use the cheapest labour. them wan use the cheapest professionals, them want the cheapest Architectural design, and the funny thing is them still want the finest Outcome. ahh thats not fair. We will never get a creative house from that. Not possible. How will some1 say he's looking for a tiller that will lay tiles for N200/m2.Make Una still dey sorry for all these workers, some get families ooo. (Oga 3strike, no Strike me oooooo. Na only example i dey make oooo no be u be Arsene Wenger oooo ).

Oga first of all I have an Axe to grind with you for Dising my able manager like that in the person of wenger ,I dey come for you
In other news,just thinking aloud, is creativity not abstract?I have designed many things at work and they cost me nothing as it was all done.I agree that not everybody can build something in their ie develop a visual image head but wont the outcomes of such thought lead to more pricing power on your part as a builder?.In the west where we live,people are bent on developing ways of making their service cheaper not more expensive.People are always on the watch out for new tech to make their service cheaper cos the cheaper the more Biz and customers flow to their site and that them smiling to the bank.

mufutau55:
This is in Nigeria? Please document it for us to see. May be I can get EgungunMaster to do mine... too much arthritis for me.

Hajji M.

Yes I shall be home for xmas and Im planing on spending up to 40 days due to accumulated leave and bank holidays ,I smell Jealousy .That my drawing would materialize into a structure as well as I'm going to be the sight supervisor and Engineer, so its loading.I have been going with my cozen to his building site here in London on weekends.So I have been getting my hands dirty.

EgunMogaji:
I hear you but if you know me then you'll know that it's like telling an Astronaut that humans cannot survive on the moon

This is why I continue to give credit to Skimanski, it's the same environment but he continuously delivers eye popping architectural edifices.

eheh true, hence I have decided to do all my tiling myself and I'm putting tiles on cured concrete ,we are going to see how it turns out,I aint paying no one

Emekamex:
Make the Fulanis no come revenge o!

This is Delta not SW

EgunMogaji:
Oh I'm not giving up and will never give up on introducing the methods of building that I am familiar with in the USA.

But I just understand that others may not be so staunch.

I'm doing more research in pricing and shipping steel studs from Texas and also from Europe. Even wood is still better than masonry except that you have to have pressure treated wood in ground contact areas.

I understand you quite well, but i think sometimes, the ways of the west might not work here,factors being price and conditions.

EgunMogaji:
Damn

Well back to the ol bricks then

hey dont give up that easy nah,

abdulwastecx:
It takes longer years to replace what has been cut. It takes an average 30years to replaced a cut lumber.

Deforestation in Nigeria is a serious environmental problem, we lost about 3.5% of our forest yearly to lumbering, which make us have less than 10% forest cover which is way below world average of 25%.

With the building demand of 170million Nigerians building house purely with timber frames and partition will result to serious environmental hazard.

Bamboo is a better alternative which grow much faster ( 2 - 4)years, it is environmentally friendly and can be grow and processed with limited resources.

I take it you have heard of plaster boards?

EgunMogaji:
Very good looking because you won't see it

https://www.magdrywall.com/upload/MS2.jpg

https://bethepro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/benefits-metal-steel-studs-house2.jpg

Very easy to work with, easier than wood, IMHO.

No RUST, no ROT, no TERMITE, lasts FOREVER.

They have them in 2X2, 2X4 and 2X6.

https://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/135970939_3/Steel_Stud_Track.jpg

Ok I know what you are on about now, I have worked on a building where these where put in use,however it would be worthy to note that we do have plaster boards in Nigeria(Dry wall Panel in the US), they are imported from china.So if you have plaster boards then you got your walls sorted there.

How come this guy is still here.moderator do the needful plz

EgunMogaji:
I thought that the floor had to be casted in one go.

So I thought as well.

EgunMogaji:
An astute thought.

So I'm still debating doing my build with 6" blocks on the exterior and using steel studs on that part facing inside and the entire interior partition. We have steel studs here in Nigeria and a Nairalander uses it a lot to do fancy wall work.

The thing is the cost factor. I am working out a spreadsheet to calculate all of this. I just haven't been able to get the cost of steel studs as well as the installation though I can supervise that.

What will that steel studs look like?

David0:
Read again pls.

He made those promises yes, was it to deceive Nigerians? No. He made those promises cos he knows Nigeria is capable of doing that with the kind of resources we have. Except of cos u don't bliv Nigeria is capable dats when u can say he deceived us.
But wat I was actually pointing at is d fact dat Buhari is taking d right step towards achieving dat promise, which is cubbing corruption or blocking financial loopholes in d system. Now depending on d time frame, he may not b thr when it finally kicks off, but he's started d foundation already. Cos whoever may come in next, ll not wanna dent d transparency dat Buhari is trying to create.

Ok next question for you is in what time frame would you and ur likes feel he would have failed to deliver on this promise? 3 years. 5 years?

EndiaSami:
. Hahaha..Oga spyder. Lol " non-alcoholic hennessey"

Me I nor gree PHC has it.

kopell:
@Hajji morning Ooo, you need to be specific on issue that you want people to discuss on this new thread. Welcome idea, but Don't be surprise when people start bring cases of their wife can't cook them good meal, that why the get home late every night lol. I hope the party is going to be alcohol free.

abouzaid:
can one build a four bedroom all en suite bungalow with two and half million or less? I'm doing a cost analysis and it's looking possible from my analysis. what's your views on that? i would give my analysis later after hearing some of your views. my labourers would be sourced exclusively from the north where labour is extremely cheap and the house would not include any fancy works. details later but lets hear your views first.

I think your location matters

abdulwastecx:
I have actually learn alot about smooth screed.

We are glad you did.I hope you can employ these methods. We can't keep doing things same way since 1820

mufutau55:
You are quite right. Our sincere apology to the OP. Thank you.

Guys.. Here is an Off-Topic thread in Properties Forum created for all discussion that does not fall into any individually opened thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/off-topic-thread-discuss-anything-everything
So, let's chat away.

Hajji M.

Ok let's go there

And this is how it should be done, I did the kitchen tiles at my Mum's this way and it was excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyt2US_SSBM

kopell:
Bros this just an average income of register nurses here, some specialized nurses makes up to $100k with extra hours which many of them do. The can make $120k easily, but with those long hours at job. They also loss their husband Ooo. That why we have many female nurses looking for husband in NYC. There are many blue collar jobs that makes over $70k a year here if one knows how to find them.

ahah true talk, abroad something must give, there is always a sacrifice to be made.

mufutau55:
I have seen some... But please post more that you know... I am never tired of learning. Thanks.

Hajji M.

This is the proper tile trowel, note the jags at the edge,these create void on the mix on top the surface so when you apply pressure to the tile the mixture ie cement and sand has space to accommodate the displaced mixture

mufutau55:
Thank you. Got it now... I never know that was called screeding.. I thought they were just leveling the concrete.
Imagine if our concrete including decking could be done like that.

Hajji M.

Exactly my point, if you can do this then no need for extra sand and cement, you can just do a rich mix and lay your tiles with the right trowel, have you seen the proper trowel for tile laying?

kopell:
Sorry to say, making £40k a year in UK after that many year. That about $80k in U.S in my opinion is not a lot of money. Compeer to young college graduate that start with the say amount here in US. For example MTA bus driver in NYC makes $70k just after 3 years in service, electrician makes average of $80k from day one on the job, register nurse makes average $67k a year. I can go on and on, I may agree with you with every day expense, and on expected once listed in your write up. For the other brother that think most people abroad live from pay check to pay check, sorry many, many Nigerians are in good position here in U.S from cleaners to director of banks head of hospital, insurance company investment bankers very very good lawyers even judges. If you don't know about them please do your research on them. Many of them may choose not to build house in Naija just because of the way things are done out there, this does not mean the can't afford one.

Tell them bro you kno, wen you have hamer in ur hands everything na nail.But registered nurses earn more than $67k a year in the UK.These days bricklayers earn up to £1000 a week

Empiree:
I think you should consider different circumstances individual may be going through. Some may not have pali but somehow make money but they cant leave yet. Anyone in this situation should not even disclose his immigration status. Some are indeed legal even they are citizens but they are on very tight situation that one can't even explain. Because of that it's not easy to just go home. Overall, i agree visiting is very important.

My guy we are on same page hence I said its does without docu, at the end of the day nobody carry kpali come abroad nah here all man hustle the book,I feel you but anywhich way,ogoro must Jump, if you nor jump OYO. cos as I see am, wen dem say clap for JESUS na only those with two hands fit clap abi