₦airaland Forum

Nayah:
Ericko and read mine again it's your turn, you forgot talking about stress, racism, difficulty to access a higher social level, taxes especially in France, individualism, selfishness and so on you could think twice then, trust me many people who came in Western countries could testify how disappointed they are

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lol Ok, read all what you've written tell me which of them dont exist in Nigeria 100 folds,go on tell me.

Nayah:
I think it's a question of travelling easier and so on, else I don't really understand why a Nigerian/ African based would be less interesting, but one reason could be the fact that some people think living abroad make them powerful in front of your brothers when they get back thiking they're superior or able to show off they took plane  , which is completely ridiculous when you know that in Africa some have influence and got a higher social level than those who are abroad

We (Africans) need to set us free of these complex and westerner dreams and everything because seriously, a part from a better "fame" the way of life it's quite difficult with a lot of stress and full of individualism, each region of the World has its goods and bad, just trust your instinct and focus on the person not what he represents

Check the reality on ground babe,look and see for yourself,read my previous post,i will repeat it again,When you live where U got 24/7 Power,good rds,24/7 water,no high way robbers best health care, then tell me if your way of life and thinking wont change positively.

The Buttom line is, they owe,let them pay

Goldieluks:
This sounds like a story of an illegal immigrant,sorry,
You don't expect to enjoy the good amenities of the UK,if your living illegally,its not rocket science.Yes people
make use of fake passport and all that and some get away with it,but by the time you get caught,your coming home to roost.
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No mind that guy,you just did the maths right,no Kpali, no good life abroad simple.

[quote author=My-Key link=topic=737764.msg8946584#msg8946584 date=1313605730]Seeing as it is that Nigerians make up 40% of the total population of Peckham, there is quite a high lickelyhood that the world famous rice looter was a Naija guy. Ditto for the Poundland looters-How exactly does one go about looting at POUNDLAND Haven't you "Londoners" got any shame?

Face it, most of you lot over there lead pathetic lives-immigration wahala, ten jobs just to pay dem bills, etc.

And now, the WHOLE world has realised that you are a HUNGRY lot as well [/quote]Mr My-Key, Aayahhhhh, even you know that what you have just wrote is silly,so seriously no Joke you believe 40% of pechkam are Nigerians  lol,mind you thats where Rio Fedinand was born and grew up,Guy grow up

Scash:
I think dey stopped talkin cos u guys r more dan dem nw.
Bt really, d fact dt u guys r somewhere out of 9ja dosnt mean u re superior. Na, it doesnt. It just shows u (nt all of u, mind u) were handed a lucky hand by fate n u shld b grateful for dt nt rubbin it on dos dt has neva left d shore of d countrys face.

And d problem here is NLers dosnt av  listenin ears, dey'l continue wit dis silly arguement til kingdom come. SHAME

fafa fa FOWL  lol fate got nothing to do with us being here, who told you life is a bed of roses here,why do you think most of us have exit plans ie build house/es in 9ja and return to be our own boss doind legit Biz.The reality on ground is the average 9ja guy in 9ja  is not connfy to think the way we do or act abroad, if we put same effort we do here to things of life when we wher in 9ja we would still hammer.And by al means Nigerians abroad had to think they are a bit superior,its a manisfestation anywhere you go to if you come from abroad.,Even the police are cautious the way they deal with you cos they cant place you.I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN,IF YOU LIVE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE IS 24/7 POWER,YOU CAN WAKE UP 3AM AND JUMP IN YOUR CAR FOR A 6HR JOURNEY LONDON TO MANCHESTER,YOU GOT GOOD ROADS,PORTABLE WATER 24/7 tell me weather your thinking faculty no go develop.Most of  us here now are here for innitial capital to start our own thing U get me,guys abroad these days are wise, they dont come home to show off like B4, cos if you flex your hard earn £/$ you will suffer and same guys you flex would be the first to laugh at you  ,true or fals?/

[quote author=190_@ link=topic=737764.msg8946455#msg8946455 date=1313604727]BRO STOP IT THEY OUR BROTHERS AS WELL    [/quote]Ok guy I don press STOP,but Im at teh top of the Arena looking down at teh stage lol

[quote author=Βουκέφαλος link=topic=737764.msg8946434#msg8946434 date=1313604564]Man u wicked oo [/quote]lol No mind them, dey 4get say we 2 come frm 9ja and hustle D ground b4 lol make dem come run thier mouth nah lol everytime dey always dising guys abroad lol,Mr cock cook something else lol

na wah, this quietness is getting annoying oh 190, ohhh ohhh mayb PHCN take light

Donbrig:
Some nairalanders are not matured enough to be a nairalander. @Mr Cork, you are right. It is one of those truth many nigerian guys dont want to hear. Nigerian women prefer U.K/U.S based guys because of their ability to control english language with a stylish accent. They dont really spend for women, naija women just want to hear their big big english and be proud they are going out with a U.K or U.S guy. But if same women are tired of their big english and want to settle down, they will now focus on home base guys.

,make sure your babe if in 9ja is not reading this if not, your name na delete  lol

9ja guys don vex quiet now ,even teh girls knows this is true, see dem too quiet, or abi thier Airtime don finish?

[quote author=Βουκέφαλος link=topic=737764.msg8946109#msg8946109 date=1313602094]YEAH I CAN SEE NOW BUT YOU QUOTED IT IN A WRONG WAY BY STARTING WITH YOU DISAGREE. MY APOLOGIES[/quote]No need to apologise guy, nothing spoil, its caled argumentation lol if such word exist lol

[quote author=Βουκέφαλος link=topic=737764.msg8946098#msg8946098 date=1313602029]HE SAID HE DISAGREED WITH MY COMMENT. YOU SHOULD LOOK AGAIN[/quote]Calm down guy, just think out of the box for once,my statement was disagreeing with the bit where you used the word FORM, U get me? and no fancy languages no point

[quote author=Βουκέφαλος link=topic=737764.msg8946060#msg8946060 date=1313601792]your long sermon doesnt answer the question on ground. Niaja girls still prefer guys abroad, this is true[/quote],
Guy think out of the Box for a sec, i was agreeing wiv you right there lol

[quote author=Βουκέφαλος link=topic=737764.msg8945946#msg8945946 date=1313601057]Mr cork  is right. the think people abroad have loads of cash and even if they dont, they come home and form[/quote]Seriously, I disagree, if you are broke in the Uk you will still be broke in 9ja  and for the dumb poster who said some guy would have to sell the car he bought in other to go back wake up, you are stuck in the 70s,these days people buy return tkts,.
Let me say something here, the average Nigerian abroad is well educated,can speak reasonable English. 7 out of 10 would be a graduate of some uni frm 9ja,would not come from a poor brockass home in 9ja cos  of cost to go abroad,even though a house/land was sold  lol,they perffect thier English  and finetune thier way of life,they see the world in a diffrent way,GUYS YOU MUST TRUST ME ON THIS ONE,IF YOU LIVE WHERE THERE IS CONSTANT POWER AND GOOD ROADS,I swear your way of thinking would change and you would become eventive/creative.You have loads of opportunities,you can go anywhere in the world God willing.

jimade:
I am a Petroleum Geologist and also a graduate from University of Ilorin. I want you all to know that crude oil can only be gotten from a sedimentary rock. Kwara State is a crystalline basement which consist of Granite, Gneiss, migmatite and Metasediments that cannot produce nor host hydrocarbons. I will be glad to see

My friend most people here a graduates,whaht you just qioted there a text book theory and thats how we see Oil exploration in the context of Nigeria,but its false and a tip of the iceberg when it comes to oil exploration,So according to your analises of the bases of Oil formation ie sedimentry rock, how do you explain Kuwait and Lybia or even Alaska these places have crystalline basement which also consist of granite.

AYAH Kwara people, welcome to trouble greed and evil, Crude= Evil

blink182:
Not through brute force. If shell should match force with force you all know what will happen and remember the federal government is more on their side.

What we should hope for is to get our senators and representatives of the affected areas in that useless oil and land law to try and upturn it.

Blink force or no force, shell will still lose even the FG would lose more,leave all thos propoganda on the TV, we all know what is happening on ground,even the SOldiers hate the conflict cos thier runs get spoilt. to them going to the creek is like going on a peace keeping mission.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=725424.msg8884029#msg8884029 date=1312858307]@OP,

By all means, right or wrong, we ought to first come to defence of the Deltans against Shell.

Defense the people first, ask questions later.

In defense of the affected communities, why can't we adopt a similar attitude to this situation that the gulf states took in their respond to BP arrogance to the oil spill?

Pay the people first, ask questions later!

Indigenes and land owners will always have first priority interest. The land is sold does not mean their interest is ceased.

Land is man and man is land. From land we came and to it is our return.

When a land deed or agreement is violated its like the spirit of the people is violated.

So the land was sold but their spirit on the land is not sold, so Shell need to be sensitive to their issues.[/quote]EXACTLY

@ahf
now we are almost at level terms, I am not a lame man when it comes to the Oil industry,I know my Onions very , now you agree with me that there are some gas processing facilitites built, as for the %55, I would like to think this as your own assumption as I have never heard of this B4 if this is true plz, give me a refrence page or Doc.As per the gas gathering, let me try and explain a wee bit how this works,its almost same as crude oil processing,gas needs to be piped to a centre point called flow stations not gathered or stored lol cos they are in thier natural stage whic you mentioned ie Asociated gases(But I would like to reffer to this as Natural GAS) then trunked to an LNG plant,the LNG plant is just like
a refinary,Now,U made refrence to Edo state,there are oil wells in part of Edo state near Ologbo,the nearest refinary to that is Warri,how do you think this is trunked to warri?Now in my town we have 48 wells three flow stations all 48 wells are piped to these three flow station,these flow stations have a massive compresor which presurize the crude into the main trunk line at this point hope you get where the word trunk comes from, ie it is associated with a flow station,the trunks are like 4ft wide,these goes directly to the refinary at warri.
SO this is what is going to happen,it takes time to buildand this is not the only plan the FG has, chevron is responsible for supplying gas to all NIPP plants being built,some of them are now in oporation some are WIP.

Dede1:
Again intellectually or geographically, there is no Niger Delta. Niger Delta is a misnomer. When you have time to waste, I urge you to visit Atlas and sort out the visual and geographical expression called Nigeria. You would find that River Niger and River Benue merged to form River Niger-Benue. In actual physical geography, the delta erroneously referred as Niger Delta is formed by Rivers such as Niger, Benue, Imo, Anambra, Urashi and Utamiri. Now the actual states situated in this delta are Abia, Anambra, Bayelsa, Imo and Rivers.

All the blind arrogations of Niger Delta at certain political quarters in Nigeria remain political shenanigans best described as foolish.

Nop, I disagree with you right there, before OBJ,the Niger Delta was Delta,Bayelsa and Rivers state, it was when OBJ came into power that he OBJ in 2000 for political reasons and oil derivatives he added other states to it which are Abia, Akwa-Ibom, Cross River State, Edo, Imo and Ondo .and that is a well known fact.so Anambra is not in the Niger Delta, go and ask.

blink182:
I love the argument between ahf and erico2k2. At this point, I'll really love erico2k2 to explain the bonny mystery.

lol Ok I will explain, cos there are plants there for harvesting the so caled flaired gases, chevron are still constructing the 3rd faze there,I would try and get some pics for you guys, my mate works there still its been going on for 2 years now.

ahf:
For you attention wells don't produce LPG, they produce either Associated Gas or Non-Associated Gas.

The one usually flared is the Associated Gas (AG) which requires processing equipment to be converted to more useful use. It is these processing equipment that the JV partners have to fund to ensure flares are put out. The Majority partner in the JV, i believe has the most power to drive this process.

Associated gas often cannot be used at remote wellheads and the whole stream has to be flared – wasting a valuable resource and contaminating the environment. Recovering LPG from these flare gases saves valuable hydrocarbons and enables them to be used locally, but equipment is needed for this.

It is also uneconomical if these AG is not gathered to a central point for LPG conversion which entails an AG pipeline to a central AG processing plant (ALSO REQUIRES EQUIPMENT AND COSTS MONEY !!)

guy, have you been to Bonny Island B4? if No, I would explain if YEs no need for explanation

Dede1:
It would have been nice if you get the facts correct. Since you do not know the states that made-up Niger Delta according to NDDC, it should be foolhardy to follow your plank of the argument.

I know what Im on about,I was not defining NigerDelta in respect to Oil production,I was definning it geographically and the states which fall under theses zones are the four mentioned.

ahf:
Gas flaring still on is caused by NNPC and not SPDC (or the other multinationals).

All projects are funded by partners in ratio of their holdings. NNPC (the FG) has refused to provide funds to install gas gathering facitlities and have also refused to have the wells shut-in.

We "Nigerians" are our own problem. Instead of proposing/seeking solutions, we resort to molestation, tribalism,
insults and name calling.

Multinationals abandoning us, local cabal running the show, same ol same ol (if not even worse).

The company just wants to sell and leave those areas, the JV majority shareholder should act and have the sale done to whoever they please, so that this multinational excuse can go away.

GEJ in power, we are waiting for the changes,

You are totaly wrong my friend,in all aspect you've just mention,I dont think you are familier with this field for arguments, when you said there was no funds for gas gaathering, thats a lame man talk right there unless you are telling us you have not heard or know what LPG is.

and o ne of this so called riger is the very M Adenuga aka C oil.
Now this is exactly what Dangote did in Cement (Limestone)exploration)

Beaf:
Adenuga.

lol I knew you was gonna come up wiv da answer, No you see where teh BEEF cometh from,see what this would mean ,these sale should be reviked and done the proper way, what do you recon?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=725424.msg8848354#msg8848354 date=1312399798]Damn. 40k-> 10 million? That is insane.
[/quoteThats SHELL for you, if it was in the Uk that happened, do you know howmuch they would be fined lol see howmuch the US fined BP for that disaster on they offshore rig that colapased[/quote]

@ekt_bear
stop taking us back,this issue got nothing to do with LAND, we have defined that in earlier post, read backwards  lol,I just talked to Men on ground just now,in the original LEASE teh comunity had a say in it,there where things said  and signed and one of them was to give the first right of refusal to a LOCAL BIDDER ie if a LOCAL bidder can match an outsider he should first be offered.This is standard  and well documented unless an agreement could not be reached  then next bidder takes over evryone signs seal and deliver,Now in this case it was done behind closed doors now politics was at play from the top in this one, the OML 30 has the highest GAS Reserve in teh country,I say again you guys should guess who it was sold to,Im still waiting cos i got the answer, this is getting very intresting  lol

WONDERS SHALL NEVER END,9ja we 2much, gues who bought the OML 30  lol

@ ekt_bear
They have violated the terms, ie they only leant of the sale after it was made hence the outcry.
Dont 4get these guys have been dealing with SPDC for the past 50 years,so they know when they arfe up to no good,dont get me wrong, SPDC had improved in some areas but more need to be done,what they have done is recycle.Translation cut cost.The sad part of this is that theses changes are done by Nigerians too.Im gonna talk to men on ground to know what they have added or removed from the terms and condition of exploration that trigard the who kasala.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=725424.msg8847623#msg8847623 date=1312393360]Blah blah blah

First of all, nobody is claiming that Shell is entirely innocent . . . that is a pretty silly mischaracterization on your part.

Second, of what relevance is all this red herring sh1t you bring up? Does any of that give the oil communities the right to dictate to Shell who they sell off their interest to, as seems to be the bone of contention in the original article?
They should not be able to sell off their interest to the highest bidder because "OBJ issued the Petroleum and Land Acts and [they] supported it?" Wth? Granted, if possible they should try to see if they can find a buyer in the community or whatever else they are demanding. But if Shell ends up not doing so, that is life.

Finally, regarding the red herring sh1t you bring up:
1. Go after the FG and fight to gain more control over the NNPC.
2. Or take Shell to a court of law (outside of Nigeria) and hit them there, if you truly believe they've somehow received stolen property (though as I've pointed out earlier, your analogy is probably the wrong one.)

I don't see how beating up some Shell officials because they want to get rid of their mining lease is a valid response.[/quote]I have just read fru your responce, I see you aint no fool, but you are out of the paramitre of this debate, I sugest you read fru most of the inputes in this post so that you are intune with the argument of the day, or else you gonna stray away from the conversation of the day.
let me say something here so you know,I dont knwo where you are based though, but here in the Uk,if you win teh contract to operate or provide certain services within a comunity or a coporate body you are bound by law to retain all its existing workers,honour all of thier Anual leave and working conditions,how do you do this, both parties submit thier terms of agreement to work ie,The terms of contracts remains same btw new contractor and workers,TRANSLATION.Shell had violated this standard procedures just to cut cost,if they the people dont fight this out,those terms and conditions as I stated in my last post if you care to read it would be overlooked by the new owners of the so called rights.Dont be suprised these so called new owners are the one and only shell still but comming under diffrent name, if they are so transparent in what they are doing why did they not make it public so that evryone both local and internation would bid, then in that case the people would have know about it and gone fru all its proposals and see the terms and condition of the sale of this rights if its adding or taking anything from the existing terms and conditions, hope this clearifies things for you a bit??