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jonsnow92:
That's not the point self,If its true we gave an ultimatum then yaba left needs more patients,How will you give a selling club an ultimatum?,A club that has little or no reason to sell except the money is right,A club that has rejected 3 bids?,Yet they think an ultimatum is the only way out?,So they expect Liverpool to chicken out and say OK we are going to sell..The only ultimatum here should be more money..We are now a laughing stock really.

Understand the politics of selling players. Coutinho and Dembele will be Barca players - mark my words.

The selling club is only trying to play tit for tat by stalling till the end of the transfer window.

The same clubs boasted a month before Neymar left that Coutinho was £89M and Dembele £75M. Now all of a sudden £100M+ for each player is not enough considering they don't even sell Jerseys like Neymar.

At some point, we are going to have to call their bluff. After all, we know the players have handed in transfer requests and if you have taken your time to watch players that have tendered requests to their clubs, their performances always drop significantly.

So forget all the bravado that both clubs and their presidents are trying to put up. It is all make-believe. Their game is just to be petty and wait till the 31st of August - in a ploy to annoy the players involved and Barca.

If that were not so why don't they play both players in their respective teams? Coutinho is DEFINITELY not injured with any back pains and we all know Dembele is deliberately refusing to return to Germany.

Anyways, they would shoot themselves in the foot because they too would not have time to buy players they want to use to replace them. And even when they do, they would still pay through their noses for said players.

hoopLA:
Substitute or not, this move defies the lame lie that someone has been peddling here about City having an old squad.This is after Pep failed to bring in a 34 year oldDani Alec's after publicly courting him this summer.

It's mind boggling that City bid for a man entering his 30s when it is being theorized that the back four last season was too old.
Let's see how this e-Spider-Man spins this web.

I don't hold briefs for anyone but there are outliers to every argument or position.

I am sure United would have coughed out the same £80M for CR7 today albeit he is 32.

Zlatan was 35 last season and still notched up 28 goals in all competitions for United.

Iniesta is 33 today and is a shadow of himself. Usain Bolts (although not a footballer but you get the point). The bell curve suggests that age more often that not will affect talented players with people like CR7 and Zlatan being the anomalies.

Whether age was the sole reason City flopped last season is another debate entirely. Most of those fullbacks they had last season were purchased not later than 2011 and 6 years is a long time in football.

sod09:
is that all you got
bloody hell
you should be concern about how miserable your club will be this season

My club's misery is your club's successful season.

Arsenal FC = Home of Bums. Literally.

sod09:
Pa Ramuzaki,
Since papa ajasco is very much interested in young players, can you explain to us why he's running after 29 years old Manure reject Johnny Evans, 2 bids already rejected so think before you lie.
Remember he have kompany 31, Otamendi 29, is he planning for the future or present

They need Home grown talent plus Mangala is off to Inter.

Johnny is 29. WBA want £35M for him but City offered £18M and now £22M. Nobody will give £35M for a substitute CB.

iPopAlomo:
http://www.goal.com/en-ng/news/barcelona-real-madrid-among-the-winners-losers-of-the-summer/19qru8l1ilqbb1cppftzndovlb

http://lebuzz.eurosport.co.uk/viral/best-tweets-absolute-shambles-yet-paulinho-joins-barcelona-30983/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4767530/Life-without-Neymar-starts-Barca-disarray.html

I reiterate... you've more on your hands than being on an arsenal thread... maybe the dizziness got to you too... 1000 cups or not... your major concern is filling Neymar's void... we've handled our transfer target pretty sharp... he even scored a goal in 94 seconds on his debut... meanwhile... my late great grandmother (may her soul rest in peace) with bow legs can juggle football more than a certain £40 million player...

When your grand mum is done juggling the ball hire her for your beloved Arsenal FC. Your team finished 5th last season and you are talking to me about problems. LOL

Oya, buy the Draxler let him win the EPL for you same way Santi Carzola, Ramsey and Ox have been doing it for you north London duds.

sod09:
I should know better Dan answering a typical scummy
just because u Read a fake news that ur club is interested in Lemar he's the best abi ....lol
martial still saying hi
now tell me how Draxler is an injury prone player

SMH.

iPopAlomo:
Dude... you've bigger problems than Arsenal at the moment... I suggest you get one of your transfer targets... in Veratti, Coutinho, Dembele or Seri... before you come visiting this thread...

3 league titles in 4 years, 3 Spanish Cups, beating RM atleast once every season being a given but I have serious problems because they beat me 5-1 on aggregate. LOL.

Let me remind you that only 2 seasons ago, I lost 5-1 to Athletic Bilbao in the same game only to finish the season with a league and Cup double.

We are Barca; More than a club. You are Arsenal; Nothing but duds.

sod09:
draxler is back in market
with 35m we should get him thats a better upgrade on lemar nd mahrez

Injury prone Draxler is an upgrade on 21 year old Lemar and Mahrez?

OMG, you Arsenal fans deserve the failure that always comes your way.

Man United about to snatch your Lemar.

Spy360, what say you?

I blame Valverde first and foremost. He got his tactics wrong in the first half. We looked disjointed both in attack and defense with the left flank ostensibly barren and nothing going on.

We lacked urgency and really if RM were really at it, they would have really hammered us in the first half.

Overall, it is clear Paco, Andre, Digne, Alba do not cut the mustard. Semendo on the other hand looks like a decent signing so far. Rakitic and even Busquets were particularly bad today. As per Suarez, he has continued with his clumsy play from last season.

We really do need fresh legs and ideas at the moment so I welcome Coutinho and Dembele as well as Paulinho.

We are still Barca; More than a club and we have been here before (2004, 2008, 2013). We always come back some how some way.

Arsenal FC is clearly a bigger club than BVB Dortmund. One could even argue that they are bigger than Inter as well.

Inter's 18 League titles are cosmetic dressing; they won 5 on the trot during the collapse of the Italian league following matchfixing allegations to Juve and AC Milan.

The San Siro is not their exclusive preserve as they share it with AC Milan.

They are no longer internationally more recognised than Arsenal, Worth far less and do not control the sort of followership (both social media and otherwise) that Arsenal FC does.

I don't know what else can be used to rate which the bigger club is, but using UCL titles is grossly simplistic as Celtics, Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest have done exactly that and are still minnows in the grand scheme of things.

raumdeuter:
Messi Ronaldo Suarez, compare their performance when they were under 30 to when they were over 30

Why are Terry Lampard Drogba Rooney RvP not chased around by top teams currently? Anyone with a single digit IQ will tell you its related to their age

Its common knowledge that performance declines with age infact many managers don't give players over 30 more than a year contract. Picking one or 2 players who still play is like expecting a 42yr old to be scoring because Roger Milla once did it

I have no time to waste on subzero IQ people, Incase folks here didnt tell you I run a discrimination policy based on intelligence

Age is also more telling on defensive minded players.

Nashoji:
laughable, you want to judge man united when they play teams like real madrid but you are over the the moon cuz man city played and won those clueless new weeping boys. I really saw how potent their midfielders and strikers were and how big a threat they to man city. People can confuse at times. Mtcheeeeew.

I would give you a pass because my post may have been ambiguous to you.

What I meant is, until United play a team with a midfield that can create things even remotely, what you observed against West Ham was false. That same United midfield that appeared so dominant got swallowed up by RM without much fuss. Madrid played like they had many gears to get to.

As per Man City, the performance against Brighton was good because Brighton played 11 men behind the ball all game and they were home. Such games last season, City drew. City vs Stoke comes to mind.

I did not say that United were not improved- in fact I said they exactly are, but that anyone who thinks judging them after playing a hopeless, clueless and creativeless West Ham is as clueless as West Ham were yesterday.

Delofeu is.........

Lifeless performance from both teams.

It appears we just about edge it in midfield. I don't understand how this RM team outplayed the fvck out of United the other day.

Let them keep hyping them for beating WestHam sha.

TheGoodJoe:

I was actually impressed with Danillo running up and down the flanks. I also liked his offensive movements. Created some good chances. We need to give him time to blend. I see him becoming an asset to the team in few months time.

Danilo cut in every time he had the ball. Either that or he passed the ball back. It was frustrating to watch. City need a natural LWB/LB.

I don't fault him much too because he is a RB so he was playing out of position.

dumininu01:
Man utd looked good today....i think dey will be our closest challengers

You can't judge following how West Ham were creatively inept and asinine. I still think Chelsea will challenge for number 2 as they were last season's champions that still added 4 more players.

Don't buy the hype of Peter and Tim Sherwood who generally talk out their arses. United are better than they were last season but so are others going to be. We should judge them after they play a team that has a functioning midfield like Real Madrid. Huddersfield would have beaten this same West Ham today.

I warned you people about Bartomeu. You did not listen.

Anyways, I still think Dembele would definitely come.

You are not improving on what you had last year in terms of personnel yet you expect the results to change? LOL.

Leyqute:
Since that's how you want it, how bout we only compare Mou and Pep's spendings for their first 9 years as head coaches? Do the math.

Only snag is, one started his career coaching Barca.

Imagine Valverde (assuming this was his first job) needing to replace Neymar and he signs say Coutinho for £90M.

Would he be a cheque book manager?

Leyqute:
Pellegrini was sacked after the new year when City announced they've signed Baldiola. The title race for City died then. Nevertheless, he still got to the UCL semi-finals that same season, a first for City. He was beaten by eventual winners Real Madrid.

Pep didn't mount a title challenge in the league and went out to Monaco immediately after the group to Monaco, conceding 8 goals in the process.

Pelle's last season is better than Pep's first. And he'd have mounted a better title challenge if he wasn't sacked after Christmas.

LOL.

Jupp was told beginning of the season that Pep would replace him and he won a treble. Zizou was not sure the RM job would be made his permanently but he won the UCL.

Pelle was 1st, 2nd and 4th in that order. He was declining.

He could not attract the players he wanted. Rumors say KDB signed because he heard Pep would take the job. Pelle could not get his own product- Isco despite offering far more than RM.

Pep was first after 10 games. Top 2 after 20. And finished with 79pts - 13 better than Pelle's last.

Monaco won the league and got to 2 domestic finals scoring a ton of goals. They also got to the semis of the UCL. Pep got knocked out 6-6 on agg from a fortuitous Bakayoko goal.

If Pelle's last season was better than Pep's then LVGs last season was waaaay better than Mou's.

olabode89:
Hehehe... Pep fan, this particular post gives credence to the notion that Mou is a better manager. He won trophies such as the UCL and a league title with teams that are not traditional big spenders nor elite European team. Pep couldn't do the same at Bayern or City.

Food for thought.

He won the UCL with Porto (to me his greatest achievement in football) but could not replicate it in RM. So I wonder why Pep's UCL fiasco in Bayern is being over-trumpeted considering Carlo did worse than Pep just after but was able to outdo Mou in RM in the same situation.

sebod:
Most of us would do same, but not in the way and manner at which it's done. Why all the drama? Why not leave gently and still find a way of having the fans on your side?

Neymar is childish. That much I agree.

Leyqute:
Those trophies are a stepping stone. This season, we expect him at the barest minimum to mount a worthy title challenge.

Pep, on the other hand, has nothing to step from. His title challenge last season was the most laughable one Man City have had in years. Spent hundred of millions yet has nothing to show for it. Pellegrini's first season at Man City is better than Pep's by a zillion miles, and he didn't spend as much.

Only if Pelle had not bought Mangala, Bony, KDB, Sterling, Fernando, Otamendi, Delph and still finished 4th equal in points with LVGs United (66) just the season before Pep came.

afrodoc2:
Pep spends way more than Mourinho.
It was a tortoise move using career totals when it included 8 years of Mourinho's career where Pep was not even coaching.

Those people who quoted this year as evidence of Pep's spending are not wrong though so what was the point of your misleading initial post?

In case you missed it

PEP GUARDIOLA 94.4 MILLION PER YEAR

JOSE MOURINHO 72.3 MILLION PER YEAR

Intelligent debate but slightly disingenuous.

The 17 years of Mou's coaching history involves Benfica, UD Leira and Porto 3 Clubs which at the time had less than the spending capacity of QPR or Portsmouth Circa 2000-2004. That is 4 years off the 17 years you stated.

Your maths should have been 1.229Billion/13 years. That is, 94.5 MILLION PER YEAR.

So yes, Mou spends more per year.

Roland17:
I agree with some of your position, however, the onus of my post is do u think a transfer market crash is looming considering the current dynamics? especially in the EPL

Surely, this type of spending is not sustainable and that is why the clubs that are milking it are doing so ever so desperately. TV money will dry up - the experts say so and as a consequence money available for transfers will dwindle this collapsing the market.

ollah1:
The painful thing about Barca is the board inability to negotiate great deals. It's a straight €222 M deal.

No add-ons if Neymar wins the league or CL or wears a Nike Jersey or whatever.
No verrati in the same said deal but the board can stupidly pay outrageous fees for players and meaningless add-ons.

Barca board are the most stupid I've ever seen in the football world.

€222M and you are asking for add-ons? Why do you think add-ons are provided at all?

If Neymar leaves, kudos to him. The game is about money finally. He is better than whoever we would use to replace him but we can still get good players to work in our system.

I have no grievances for him or his dad. Most of us here would do same.

Man City was not the problem when United paid £89m for Paul Pogba. They were not the problem when United paid £90m for Lukaku. The market is the market and you have the windfall in TV revenue to blame for this.

Lacazette was tagged at £55M only a season ago when Wenger inquired. This season he came cheaper so Wenger paid. Sure, some coaches are more desperate than others but they are not the one's carrying out the negotiations.

This same Lemar because of whom Monaco just turned down €50m from Arsenal could depreciate in value this very season. Wenger and AFC should have offered this same money 2 months ago and Monaco would have accepted.

It is clear they are playing hardball now but it would not last because the player in question wants to join Arsenal. To add to that, they know Wenger has more than met their valuation of the player. They just want to see if they can milk the process more. Who does not do that?

Some say only Marcelo was more impressive than Mendy last season. Some others say Marcelo and Sandro. The question is, how much would you pay for Marcelo in today's market?

SmooshCHN:
I want a trade.. No!!! You better show up at training camp. Seems like someone's scared they're gonna be exposed without Kyrie LeBron can leave when he wants to but when Kyrie demands a trade, he has no say and better show up at Training camp.. Poor Kyrie, lebtards don't care or love you like that..

I don't think he denied him his trade demand but only said he expected him to still show up at training camp regardless.

Kyrie unfollowed Lebron on Instagram. Even if he stayed back this term it is fair to say their relationship is effectively done and dusted.

raumdeuter:
Renato gave the through pass to Douglas Costa who passed to Vidal

I need to reset my brain.

Ney...

The rest is silent.

I am pretty sure Renato gave the through-pass that led to Bayern's 4th against AFC in the 5-1 win. I am pretty sure that pass went to Arturo Vidal who subsequently dinked the ball past the Colombian AFC keeper.