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justwise: You are right, the part2 of this thread was started about 6months ago along with USA and the UK but this thread received more traffic than the other two.Yes Justwise, UK is shooting itself on the foot. But I'm happy for Nigerian students that are seeking to relocate to Canada presently. I hear its much easier to get your papers there. I mean in UK, the system seems to be designed to suck imigrants dry and spit them out when there's only bones left. I'm even thinking of doing my PhD in Canada. Keep up the good job |
salsera: BSC is Chem Engrg, job experience has been in the energy sector. Company is not multinationalAnother thought just crossed my mind which u can start researching even from nigeria. Spend time doing searches in google and resourcing portals such as reed.co.uk. Whatt you could do is to use key words such as part time, prince 2, project management, engineering, Uk etc. you can use them in different combinations, but always ensure that 'part-time' is one of the key words. This will call out jobs that might be relevant to u. Remember that the companies are not interested in you wanting to gain experience from them, rather what u can bring to the table. U might find that some particular hard skills are consistent with these jobs. U could spend ur time to practice them while in nigeria. If I were u, I wont be too eager to spend money on certifications on the skills. I would suggest that you avoid jobs that seem to emphasis soft skills. The reason is because ur just fresh from 9ja and might find it difficult to culturally adapt easily. The companies might feel the same way too. Make i stop here, if not i for tell u say don't bother about part'time jobs that require more hours than stated in ur visa. Them no dey hear abeg. Starting small is also a good strategy (but we no dey hear dis one). We hear stories of how someone hit it big immediately and that it is by God's grace. Na true, but far more people have psychological scars after trying but failing repeatedly. My mantra is "if u want to reach for the sky, start with your roof top, then then the 3storey building closest to u, and on and on u go till u reach it" |
queensmith: innit on a cv?I like ur stance, but em .. like i said in one of my earlier posts my observation is that whereas polish accented gals with not too 'good' english get 'white' collar jobs more easily, same cannot be said for their male counterparts. I think that to some degree its the subconciouse pleasentness of the sound to the hearer that affects reactions. i also suspect that such assimilation might differ in different environments/contexts I mean, make we tok true. Even for 9ja we dey yab some kine accent no matter how correct the english is. |
jidewin: Esere...Seun suppose engage you as a mod walai.If only you know d kain traffic wey your write dey generate...plus including me.I dey sama d well composed english,with a touch of panache. You come garnish am with pidgin...Guy...two thumbs up bo.I no tok say dem no dey pay tithe o. I just inferred that the faith and pain required to give in the UK is one that would keep the presiding pastor on his feet and ensure that the tithers face is not further pained by the pastors palms |
salsera: BSC is Chem Engrg, job experience has been in the energy sector. Company is not multinational"Part time work" visa status: Na here the problem dey. You might not be granted the oppurtunity to have PM experience. I would suggest that instead, u seek an administrative or any other role in a company that you can tie up with ur Cv when u finish school and u get ur PSW visa. Right now, u've got chem engr degree, energy sector experience (i guess u mean in the oil and gas sector), pm certification. U probably could be looking for any work (even if na telephone operator work as long as the company go give u a well logo'd reference) in a company that: teaches PM, or an engineering related company. If you are primarily thinking of just the experience, then don't worry. My next topic on maximizing friends will provide you an insight on how to go about it |
@justwise and @queensmith lol.. There was this documentary last year or two where a female recruiter and Ray Lewis (Borris Johnson's former deputer mayor) where trying to get two folks into work. The oyibo woman told her protegee straight up that he needed to get rid of his 'innit' accent in order to work in the financial industry. She even went further to tell the young man that she actually changes her accent to the upper class oyibo type when she is conversing with top notch business contacts. I don't like descrimination, but its real. |
justwise: Exactly!! its not just 'street' slang, its more of a chav, work-shy type who have made a career as a benefit claimers.No be lie. But wen a 9ja chap comes to UK, it is only normal that this is the kind of accent that they might more easily pick up first. I mean the innit girls are everywhere, the areas where the innit guys leave happen to provide cheaper accomodation. Until the 9ja guys are lectured and integrated otherwise, they might think say dat one na the real UK |
queensmith: I think it's an attention thing, when i'm speaking to someone with an african accent i automatically change to an african accent. If im speaking to anyone else i speak normal, its reflex for me but i think its just to blend in to different environments.Makes sense |
justwise: I don't think so, moderate use of it should be ok, i can't stand people who ends everything they say by 'innit'ehn, ehn, this reminds me. In UK, recruiters they try hard not to recruit people with dat kine 'innit' manner of accent o. Whether the people are british, yellow, black or white. Once u use 'innit', e go hard u to get in o. I was actually lectured on this by by recrutment consultant coleagues wen be oyibos |
justwise: Just like you are being 'natural' there.A lot of people seem irrated by this "trying to speak oyibo thing" I've been scratching my head trying to understand why. Even me i dey vex some times wen 9ja dey try speak oyibo. I'm beginning to suspect that na the incomplete accent they worry people (kai, i don start analysis again... God save me.)I mean, if a 9ja guy comes to you and speaks oyibo fluently without ur noticing the 9ja bit, will u be upset? If u knew the bloke before his transformation, then after his transformation will u be upset? many questions.. |
@salsera your strengths are however glaring: female, engineer with a prince 2 certification and 10 yrs experience. If the company you worked for was a multinational, then you are on girl. I swear. So, it more like what exactly or averagely are u looking at + what is your visa status? |
@salsera Project management is very wide o. It is in events management, civil/structural engineering, HR, IT, researh analysis. In fact everything. I have however noticed that where u use most of the tools that look like what prince 2 teaches is in structural engineering (something like the delivery of the millenium dome or 02 which was partly structural and partly event) and IT |
@salsera Great that u find the info invaluable. Regarding advice, thats tough for many reasons which include: 1>I'm not competent in giving advices, just making suggestions.2> there is so much non-information in your profile. This is required in order to offer suggestions that might be relevant to you. For example, do you have a british passport?, what are ur goals?, what can u not afford to do? What 2 or 3 days do u go to school? how many hours per week are u permitted to work? BSc engineering in what? what is ur postgrad in? what is the weighting of the university? etc. so much i tell u. Some universities offer part time work to their student, some have recruitment portals where you can look for jobs. I really don't know where ur coming from, or where u intend to go, or what u can tolerate |
22g)The story on Tokpe that I just narrated is actually not so smooth. There are lots of stuff in between, like reference checks, tax issues etc.But I'm constrained for time and space. Just do you research on such issues. ...cheers |
22f) TOKPE LEARNS HOW TO TAKE CALCULATED RISKS I brought out my laptop, opened my excel, and drew her chair close to mine. We started the analysis: One of the self-employed contract she was being offered was willing to pay her 250 pound/day for a 4 week contract = 1000/week and 4500/month Now, the least duration that the contract could be terminated is 2 weeks which is = 2000pounds ie, in the worst case scenario of 2 weeks she gets wages that is equivalent to 2+ months wages of the company she was presently in. If she completed the contract, she gets about 5+months of wages for the time of one month in her present company. This meant that after the contract, she could afford to be without a job for 4 months if she stuck to her former spending pattern (I no advice am on whether to increase, decrease or maintain he tithes, offering plus first fruit offering oo) Her Exit strategies could be any, or a combination of these (abeg no judge me, i was only a facilitator in her thinking process): 1, If after the first month, she neva get job, she could move in with Dayo -he had been pestering her that she moves in with him. 2. She could also buy her flight ticket cheaply in advance and try to hold on for as long as possible, failing to get another job, she could go back to her boyfriend in 9ja. 3. Her manager in her present job liked her. She could ask for a 2week break, and if she wasn't fired during the first 2 weeks from her new job, she could feign she was ill and buy more time. This would enable her to come back to her present office after the 4weeks contract. The rest as they say is now history. She went for the new job, and got new contracts after that. She didn't have to use strategies i & 2. From about 40 pounds per day, she went to reciving 250pounds per day and is now on contracts of about 180 pounds per day |
22e)STILL ON TOKPE Although she had enjoyed some nice smooch with him, they had not KNOWN each other . Least I get carried away, the issue she was now facing was one of security. With her present job paying 7GBP/hr,it was a comfort zone for her. She was sure that the company would keep her for as long as it was technically possible. The valid fear she had was starting another job and getting kicked out from the new job (e dey happen wel, well o). How would she cope? She and I got down to doing the maths together (I bet that a lot of 9ja folks in UK would be able to relate to this):Average monthly earning = 850Pounds Average Monthy rent = 360 Average Mnthly Transport = 100 (if she use tube or train always, na die be dat) Average Mnthly Feeding = 90 (some people 4 NL forum dey use 100pounds per week) Other Mnthly Expenses = 150 Church tithe & Offering = ![]() "I be girl" expenses = 100 In effect at the end of each month, she was left with nothing. |
osram: lol my bros no b lyk dt o..i read sote d tin cme taya abeg no vex my oga u r duin a wondaful jobNo worries. Thanks for appreciating. But make I no lie u, I be no know say creatively writing no easy oo. I think after this project I'll just stick to being a critique on NL forum and yabbing people's post its much easier and little brain work involved oooo. |
osram: kai wich kynd wahala b dz..bros,abeg,dan allah,ejor,biko e don du o..no b advice we want chopMy broda no vex o. I just think say many people, especially 9gerians go need this piece either now or sometime in the future. I searched painfully for such knowledge and info and never got it. 9ja folks I met for knowledge pushed me away most times, all I been dey hear was "na God do am" without any specifics. Maybe these posts is my way of relieving my aching heart. Not to worry, I'm getting unburdened already and would soon be out. You go then get wetin you go chop for here. Just a little bit more and thanks for your patience so far..Cheers |
22d) TOKPE AND HER LEAP OF 'FAITH?'.: Seeping some nice warm cappuccino with Tokpe my close friend in a Costa shop close to my house we reviewed some of her recent life experiences together. She needed some advice badly. I had learn't the hard way that when ladies come to me with issues, I'm not really expected to solve them.Just talk around the issues and let them think through it themselves as we gist along. She had had a similar kind of experience and strategies that Emeka had, and with our advice had got to the point where she was to make a descision about actually accepting one of the job offers presently dangled at her. But making the move was not easy, and that is why she was sitting accross the table having this conversation with me. Tokpe was a single 29 year old, with a masters degree in Management from the UK. The pressure from her familly for her to settle down was excruciating, and she personally had also got to that panicky point. She had a 37 year old boyfriend in Nigeria who was quite comfortable and that she had been dating for 6 years (4 years in Nigeria + 2years of her UK sujourn). He was equally from a very comfortable familly, and his mum liked her. Just before she left to come over to the UK, her boyfriend and made known his intention of wanting to marry her, and he looked serious about it (without neccesarily proposing in the romantic way). She liked him, she really did but had been a little bit worried about him and his dreams for the future with her. In fact, from her assessment he was a local champion, not given to the finese of life, just how to make money. He had not in anyway giving her a clear or even vague picture of it. She attended one of the new generation Nigerian churches with branches all over the world. They had hammered it into her head from her teenage years on the importance of thinking globally and choosing the right partner. She was not from a comfortable family (this is putting it mildly) but she was a goal getter. Some 8 months after getting to the UK, she heard rumours that her boyfriend was flirting seriously with many chiks. She was mad and confronted him with the allegations, but he denied it flatly. She knew he was lieing and had tought of breaking up with him. Her friends cautioned her against it showing her the positives of the situation: He wasn't with only one girl, this meant there were no real threats to her position; she was in the UK, so what did she expect him to do?; He flatly denied the allegation, this means he still respected her very much. While she was having these issues she succumbed to Dayo's advances. Dayo a 9ja boy had been chasing her since her day one in the UK .... |
22c)EMEKA LEARNS TO PLAY Emeka com they use style dey ask those kine people for their CV. He com even realise say using im intranet, im fit check people cv when get dat kine wok for im office. Na im he say CHINEKE!!! I dey mumu since ooooo. Wen the people dey yan for their cv, dem dey tok of wetin dem use excel take do, no be say dem sabi am. Na im e change strategy. Emeka begin to look, ..em, em.. dis one tok say him create balance scorecard wen dey wok well well for im former office. Na im Emeka open im system do search for balance score card. Na im see wetin another person do for im office. Straight away, Emeka come dey practice how to do am with excel. As im sabi the thing, im put am for im Cv. Na so Emekus do am: search better person CV > search im office system > practice wetin dey there> learn am wel wel > put am for im cv. Emekus com commot admin boy boy from im cv come put strategy admin. O boy, come see as recruiters they telephone Mekus. Mekus turn to big boy o. The 8 months wen he wok for the company im oyibo don strong wel wel as im dey answer them. Na im dem dey ask am how much im dey receieve. At first im dey f*k up dey tell dem say na 6.50 per hr (wen he was applying for 15-20 pound/hr job) . Im com dey notice say anyone wen im tell like dat no dey call am back. Na im he jack im rate. Wen dey ask am e go say na 18 /hr dem dey pay am now. Dey come dey toast am, dey tell am how de job dey provide free cofee, plus mami water view, plus say "its good to have in your CV" Na so my guy take escape world people o. HE WHO AS EARS LET HIM HEAR I will plunge into some psycho/economical/sociological challenges that folks in Emeka's shoe face, and that some of you might face when trying to make such a drastic switch. Stay tuned |
22b)EMEKA LEARNS TO PLAY Emeka, had been working for 6 months as an administrator in a UK company. He started the job with so much joy dreaming of how he would rise in the company as his ogas recognised the value he would bring to the company. By the 6th month as other oyibo's came into the company and he was gradually relegated to a big time boy boy position he realised that all the ambitions he had in the company and for the UK were fast becoming what it was, --a dream. He had to do something fast. he hadn't come all the way from 9ja here to be a pushover. He had been applying for jobs using the internet, but out of a hundred applications that he made he had only recieved three responses that soon fizzled out after the telephone interviews. He soon began to develop a strategy as he searched on recruitment websites such as Hays, Brook street, and a host of others. For the kind of job that he wanted, he realised that all the specifations mentioned medium to high excel skills. He didnt know what excel was, but he asked around and got some vague replies. These replies were however good enough to get him started. He discovered that excel was sitting all along on his desktop computer and home laptop. He began to practice excel, and read books on it. By the 7th month, his CV carried the excel skills. Reponses to his CV had increased to 1 in 12 -big improvement. He knew he was now heading somewhere. Then AHA! it hit him: "What's in the CV of those that have got similar jobs to the one he wanted?" |
[quote author=life_style]WOW, I just read everything, i love the way you arranged you post in sequence, it was easier to read and comprehend but i almost gave up @ the last writeup- too bulky for me. ![]() Anyway, thank you for your contribution. Bye.[/quote]Thanks for the feedback. I'll see if I can break post 22 into 2 sections |
22 a) GAINING EXPERIENCE IN YOUR UK OFFICE No matter what part of the resourcing/employment pipeline that you are in, there might be oppurtunities for you to gain some experience that will take you to the next level. For example if you are presently working in retail, you would do well to strengthen your communication skill as you interact with your customers, peers and managers. Motivational books on career progression usually advise ambitious employees that they should volunteer for tasks. This has the advantages of bringing your zeal to learn to the attention of management and increase your learning curve. Unfortunately, from my experience, these books were not written with Nigerians working in the UK in mind. You might soon notice that your managers and even colleagues are not keen to gave you such opportunities. Infact, you might be shocked to discover that such learning experiences are hidden from you. You'll have to work around this by playing with the IT tools available in your office desk top. Especially tools that are neccessary in the bigger job role that you are aiming for (IT/tools are very important and later, I hope to share with you why they are). In order to do this you need to be very creative (this is another topic which I will share with you in the next post). '22b' is an example of how a young man, Emeka was able to acheive this. |
@Emysandy Not to worry, you'll pull through somehow. Just keep at it |
:oNo other person dey contribute for this thread anymore? |
I am all for what Creflo did o. Imagine SOME alternative but bossible scenarios that could have played out. Papers the next day screaming: "CREFLO's 15 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER RAPED IN A CLUB AT 1AM" "CREFLO's 15 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER SHOT DEAD IN A CLUB AT 1AM" "REVEALED: PIX'S OF CREFLO'S DAUGHTER DANCING NUDE, HAVING SEX AND SMOKING IGBHO AT A CLUB AT 1am" We would all have been in this forum swearing for Creflo dollar, qouting scriptures on his inability to discipline his underage daughter, and therefore not worthy to lead a congregration. A mojority of his congregation would even fill the same way |
21) GAINING THAT MUCH NEEDED EXPERIENCE: First, let me set the context for what we will be talking about. Many times, with your (top percentile) 2.1 and above undergraduate degree you are considered as being 'trainable'. So, those international companies recruiting graduate trainees could pick you for an IT job even if your degree was in english. They provide you with a safe environment to learn on the job without your having to look over your shoulders. They put you in various departments, various roles and in client-facing positions, you soon become a pro. The same self-fulfilling prophesy works in the lower percentile. You are mostly considered as non-trainable and therefore not given any learning opportunities (or few learning opportunities), no one wants to trust you with their multimillion pound software or clients, you might not be intelligent enough to handle it(this is quite upsetting to many of us, especially when we see it in their eyes or glean it from their comments). Yu're a risk that they are not willing to take. Consequently with your little or shallow experience you soon fizzle out to the bottom parts of the organisational value chain. Then off course the complaints start pouring in “there are no jobs in the UK” (true to some extent as is around the world), “there is no need to have gained any qualifications”………etc Of course other environmental factors can play a part in distorting or affirming such causal events, and will still play a major part in the lifespan of your career. Things like competition from other applicants, race, gender, job availability etc. I now proceed to suggest some ways that you can gain some experience and will expand on them later. 1 From your UK office 2 From the second group of friends that I talked about in an earlier post 3 From Nigeria or some other country (depending on the skill set required) But how will this be achieved? The next post will show you how, it would also draw attention to the challenges you will face trying to accomplish what seems to be an easy task at face value |
hustla242: Your style of writing is quite impressive, keep it up. Out of curiosity, in what field did you ply your trade as a recruitment consultant?Thanks for the thumbs-up. I'm not neccesarily a recruitment consultant, more of a management consultant. However,I have used my resourcing hat in both non-profesional hires(cleaners, porters, drivers, industrial workers, cooks, carers etc) and in professional hires (analysts, H&S consultants, administrators, Finance, PM's, PA's, HR consultants etc) |
playboy19: It's funny how not so many people have noticed your write up.. but i have and i say Bravo! Keep the update coming. Though i'm not a newbie in travelling, yet i find it helpful. Thanks broThanks for noticing. Interestingly, you would find such a correlationship with Nigerians in the UK employment sector -many nigerians at the lower rungs of employment (or none employment) such as many studying in universities, many working as security,and many in the catering sector. As you go up in the caliber of paid employment, the numbers thin out pretty fast. At such levels, you could look around you in an open plan office full of 100's of people and see many oyibo faces, few black faces, and not notice any nigerians. |
20) STREAMLINING YOUR CV: Have you ever gone to one of those high street recruitment companies, stared at the windows and handed in your CV only to be told that you ar over qualified? Quite a number of Nigerian's in the Uk have multiple qualifications/certifications. We somethimes feel gutted when with our comparatively higher number of qualifications, we don't get hired. We therefore instantly suspect racism and/or system mediocricy. This might be true to some extent, but interestingly I have also seen qualified british and other EU oyibos in such situations at some point in time. A way to approach this is to use only certifications that are relevant to the job role and its organisational level at a time. Lets say that you are going for a low level administrative position in a project environmet, you don't need to list your masters and phd qualifications. Simply list your bachelors degree (you might even ignore this in some cases), mention your ssce (call it GCSE equivalent), and add some of your cerifications that are relevant to a project environment. Your prince 2 certification or other PM certifications you have would come in usefull here. Tools that would be usefull in such envronment would be excel, MS projects, Visio, etc. If you have such skills and you have an MS certification. Also use you MS Certification in the education part of the CV, and in bracket list the skills. For example: 2009 PMP -Project Management Certification 2003 Microsoft Admin Certificate (Advanced training in Excel, MS Project, Visio within a project Environmet) 1999 BSC Engineering 1993 SSCE (GCSE euivalent, 5 C's 2 A's) Don't be in a hurry to use your MSc yet. After getting into this project Administrators role and you are ready to take the next big step as a PM (maybe after 14 months) in ANOTHER company, using ANOTHER recruiter. 2011 MSC Engineering 2009 PMP -Project Management Certification 2003 Microsoft Admin Certificate (Advanced training in Excel, MS Project, Visio within a project Environmet) 1999 BSC Engineering 1993 SSCE (GCSE euivalent, 5 C's 2 A's) Previous Job Title -Snr Project Adminstrator Now, did you notice the difference. Offcourse, like I've always said, for you to remain in the new PM's role, you'll have to be able to handle it. Its not about 'Faithing it', you just have to be able to handle it, whatever it takes. This is where the challenge lies, and you need all the wisdom and knowledge at your disposal. My next post would be some suggestions on how you can gain some experience that would be usefull for your next job level. An analogy will suffice here. Imagine you've read all your life about driving a car and have never driven one, you've finally got a job as a driver with your boss assuming that you've been driving for years. He hops into the car with you, smiles and says "now please drive". See you soon |
19) THANKS Just thought to say thanks to those who have read my posts, those who have made comments on it, and to Seun and his NL team who continues to provide the platform for such 2 way interrractions. |
18 ) LOOK INTO THE MIRROR: What do the recruiters see? This is still about appearance, but how it relates to your CV. Ignoring your actual age, if you look like, and present your CV like you are in your 30's the recruiter would expect to see someone just like that with an amount of experience and pay rate that goes with that age bracket in many instances. Once more, I've stepped into a maze that is not so simplistic. So for example, someone in her mid 30's should have clocked at least some 10 years of experience and be looking for a job on the medium to high pay rate (say from 15GBP upwards of 30 GBP per hr. U go dey do urself some harm if for that kine CV u dey write -worked as a volunteer for 2 months in Boys scout. Show and act like you have indeed worked for more than a decade. Forget the pity party of trying to explain that Nigeria schools dey always go on strike plus say u do NYSC. If u tok like dat, dem go smile and say "we will get back to you". And they won't. But remember you need to actually have the experience of the job you are going in for, if not, you'll be fired. Getting fired as a contrator is not really a bad thing if you are extremely smart. This is because the 2 or 3 weeks u spend in the organisation, you'll get paid and actually gain some hands on experience wen u go fit use for the next simlar job. There is a saying in UK that u can't get a job without experience, and you can't get experience without a job. It's a chicken and egg thing u see. If you look in your 30's you might as well forget graduate roles. You most likeley won't be hired, this is because at 30 looking for such a job, then you most likely are not a 'star'. Remeber also that in UK, there are age discriminatory rulest. So the recruiter won't tell you that it's because of your age. It might even be so subjective that the recruiter does not know why sh'e not taking u. She might might explain it to herself that she just couldn't feel you. Such age related issues are one of the reasons why professionals in the Uk spend a lot of time in the gym, and some do some minor operations. Of course if you are actually in ur 20's and you've had donkey years of experience, don't fail to flaunt it. You'll be considered a star. In the next post, I will connect your typically plenty Nigerian qualifications to this topic and tell you how to use it for maximum effect. Cheers |

