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Politics / Re: The Rebellion Of The Godsons Part 1 By AKIN OSUNTOKUN by esere826: 8:42am On Aug 01, 2015
The Oyomesi invoked the ultimate power (of checks and balances) by inviting the Alaafin to commit suicide. Before submitting to regicide, Aole pronounced the infamous curse against his people-the Yoruba. He condemned them to eternal perdition; enslavement to alien aggressors and the unrelieved tragedy of internal insurrection; social misanthropy and the boiling cauldron of the everlasting lake of hell fire. May God save us from the sadism of evil ancestors. The curse seemingly took effect as the Oyo Empire and other outlying Yoruba districts plunged into a century long quagmire of internal strife and self-immolation; social dislocation; mutual destruction and attrition. The vulnerable imperial capital at Kaltunga (old Oyo) was sacked and destroyed by invaders and prompted relocation to the better secured and more defensible location of Oyo-ile.

Further up North, similar tragedy befell the Ilorin-based Afonja. He was consumed in classical betrayal fashion by his Fulani spiritual consultant, Alimi, who connived with the forces of the Sokoto caliphate led by his brother, Abdusalam, to defeat and kill him. The enduring and far-reaching consequence of this defeat was the incorporation of Ilorin into the Fulani feudal emirate system. The loss of Ilorin has left a permanent scar in the psyche of the Yoruba and predisposed them to the paranoia of holding in suspicion any political figure who sees virtue in alliance with the Hausa Fulani (until now).

It is striking to note that this peculiar tradition and history of rebellion has resonated in the contemporary politics of the Ilorin writ large Kwara State. The late Waziri of Ilorin, Dr Abubakar Olusola Saraki, was one of the unique discoveries of the post military politics of the Second Republic. He was the quintessential godfather. He made a very good run at becoming the President of Nigeria in 1979 and subsequently settled for the weighty office of the Leader of the Senate. All high political office holders from Kwara State got appointed or elected as his proxy, particularly the governors. And one after the other they rebelled against him. As it was with Adamu Attah in the Second Republic, so was it with Shaba Lafiagi in the Third Republic and so it became with Commodore Alabi Lawal at the onset of the Fourth Republic. Tired and frustrated with these unending insurrections, he personally appropriated the office by foisting his son, Dr Bukola Saraki, as governor.

What subsequently transpired was the stuff of a drama plot horribly gone haywire. I have been trying to think of similar occurrences in the annals of the modern history of Nigeria and I have always come up short. The nearest I could find was the instance of Alvan Ikoku and his son Sam Ikoku. The Ikokus contested against each other in different political parties which resulted in the son defeating the father. In the case of the Sarakis, it was crystal clear that the son owed everything to the father and short of becoming governor himself it is hard to figure a better option. But man proposes and God disposes.



http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/the-rebellion-of-the-godsons/159407/
Politics / The Rebellion Of The Godsons Part 1 By AKIN OSUNTOKUN by esere826: 8:42am On Aug 01, 2015
Aside from Buhari
I have never been able to understand why APC is a saintly party,
while PDP is a party of demons considering that APC has a lot of former PDP members
I have not been able to understand why Tinubu is a saint,
while Akpabio is a demon, and even Ribadu has become a demon
However I am very much observant that such narratives appear driven more by those from the Western enclaves who happen to be more vocal and dominant in the critical information dissipation channels,...and information is power

A read of Akins article has helped me better understand the history of this social DNA that seeks to make one's thief better than that of the other


My fascination with this theme partly stems from my personal history. My dad, Chief Oduola Osuntokun, was a Cabinet Minister of the Western Region from 1955 to 1966 straddling the Premiership of both Chief Obafemi Awolowo and Chief Ladoke Akintola. In the bitter factional feud of the Action Group, within the then ruling party in the Western Region in 1962, my dad took sides with Akintola. My full name is Akintola suggesting I was named after the Premier on account of which I was given an early lesson in the politics of demonisation. Adjudged guilty in the popular imagination, the name Akintola became a byword for Yoruba-wide malicious derision. The lollypop candy we loved to suck was baptised with a new name derived from a member of Akintola’s private part.

A stubborn grass species was similarly rechristened there were innumerable folk songs adapted to invoke Awolowo as a hero and his sparring partner a villain. I was made the butt of jokes and was frequently brought to tears. I pleaded with my parents that I wanted to change my name to Akinjide. They were heedless and dismissive and my dad took to lecturing me on the virtues of the late Premier and how history was being distorted to cast him as a quisling and an archetypal villain. In the event I took the unilateral decision to effect the change of name-something akin to a unilateral declaration of independence (UDI). At the age of six years, I must be the youngest guy to resort to this degree of autonomy. I have only now realised that this youthful assertiveness tantamount to rebellion not only against my parents but also against my godfather, Ladoke Akintola.

One abiding critique of history is that it is little more than a rendition of events as selectively recollected by the victorious party and its ideologues. It is no less the case with the memory of Akintola, whose foibles were grossly exaggerated and his accomplishments severally diminished and misappropriated. If he had survived well beyond 1966, the propaganda against him would not have gone unchallenged and unrestrained. My uncle, Akinjide Osuntokun, Professor of History (whose name I once appropriated) was old and proximate enough to have a clear and objective understanding of this bit of history and he restored a measure of balance to the hitherto one sided account in the biography he authored on the late Premier-The Life and Times of S L Akintola.

The demonisation of Akintola also derived from a traumatic strand of Yoruba history encapsulated in the implosion of the Oyo Empire resulting from internal contradictions and external pressure. The epoch was set in motion by the highly consequential duel and reciprocal duplicity of two important Yoruba historical figures. The ill-fated actors were the newly crowned Alaafin, Aole Arogangan (the godfather) and his field marshal, the Are Ona Kankanfo, Afonja (the godson). The former was a paranoid, insecure and sadistic Prince who duly proved himself with the first step he took on his succession to the throne.

By tradition, the newly crowned king was required to initiate his reign with a declaration of war on any victim community he fancies and instruct the Are Ona Kakanfo accordingly-a battle the field marshal is sworn to win on the pain of being put to death if he failed. Aole then practically sentenced Afonja to death by choosing a target (town) that is reified and forbidden to any external violation-it was sacrilegious for any entity to engage the sacred community in war. On the other hand, defying the orders of the Alaafin was tantamount to a declaration of hostilities. For Afonja, it was a moment of damned if you do and damned if you don’t. He resolved to take the battle back to the Monarch and enlisted the collaboration of the Oyomesi - the all-powerful kingmakers. The hunter then became the hunted.







http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/the-rebellion-of-the-godsons/159407/
Rap Battles / Re: The Greek Gods Cipher (the gods also brag!) by esere826: 1:01pm On Jul 31, 2015
Ishilove:

Bros I don tell them but they say they prefer oyibo juju grin

abeg ma
just leave them for here
close door commot

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: How I Got A Fake Job Appointment - Diary Of A Jobless NIGERIAN by esere826: 12:58pm On Jul 31, 2015
damiloladuke:
.......I happend to be one of these highly motivated students that
after reading ROBERT KIYOSAKI'S books, we believe other students
are just wasting their time. We believe they will all end up working
for us. The motivation is so strong, that you already imagined
yourself controlling businesses and employing people. Not even
realising its a different environment that we are in here in Africa.


Things are not the way they are in Europe and America. Over there,
there are proper structural plans to make you develop as an
entrepreneur. .............

that book is not meant for Nigerians
I doubt the writer cares much about this and is only milking as much as he can get to stay rich
Rap Battles / Re: The Greek Gods Cipher (the gods also brag!) by esere826: 8:40am On Jul 31, 2015
umhhhh shocked
folks rapping about oyibo juju

wetin happen to Nigeria Olokun naw?

.... Make this thing no try new front page abeg

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Agriculture / Re: EU Ban On Nigerian Food Exports by esere826: 8:30am On Jul 31, 2015
The excuse by Paul Orhii, the Director-General, National Agency for Food and Drug Administration and Control that exporters caused the problem by not complying with regulatory requirements for semi-processed and processed commodities is untenable. NAFDAC has not conducted its regulatory oversight properly and needs to put stringent measures in place to monitor our products and guarantee them as safe for export before the next EU review in 2016. The Ministry of Agriculture did not pay sufficient attention to the problem either.

I see no reason why NAFDAC should be the ones managing this. It iS not pRACtical.
There ought to be central organisations that recieve the products from farmers
this organisatons should do spot checks on the products before accepting them for export
Education / Re: The Use Of The Full Stop, Comma And Semicolon by esere826: 9:17pm On Jul 30, 2015
LarrySun:
The Semicolon

Nice one Larry
We can also add that the semicolon can be used like a counter in sentences much like comas are used.
It is useful for 'counting' 'aspects' of the sentence that already have a coma.

For example:
The boy spent his time doing these: played, danced and sang 30%; ate, drank and slept 30%

instead of writing this:
The boy spent his time doing these: played, danced and sang 30%, ate, drank and slept 30%

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Religion / Re: Can One Lie Disqualify A Truth ? by esere826: 12:00am On Jul 25, 2015
frosbel:


You are talking about two different things here.

If you presented the stuff you wrote in your nairaland diary as fact and we started to find a few lies, this will no doubt lead to a questioning of your integrity.

integrity is different from truth
indeed, truth is a subset of integrity
one truth in a thousand lies does not affect truth, it only affects integrity

Let me speak plain English
Some egyptian monarchs tried to rewrite history
consequently, historians tend to be skeptical when 'reading their narratives'
It doesnt change from the fact that some of the narratives might be true
it only lets the researcher be more cautious in sifting for the truths in the piece to be investigated

Now, you've had some challenges with the Bible I recall
perhaps it is because of the way you framed the entire bible concept in addition to the way others framed it

Consider this -
If you were adamant that a god personally put pen to paper to write the bible
and then you later found some strange bits
you would naturally arrive at any of these conlcusions

1) That the god is all powerful but is given to mischief and lies -much like the greek gods
2) That the god is fallible and thus made lots of mistakes in his writing
3) that the work is indeed a forgery, and was never written by any god in the first place

(remember that this does not take away from truth if it exists at all within the piece you are querying)

Moving on to attributes,
a mischievous god cannot be trusted -he lacks integrity,
neither can one be trusted, who is given to memory losses -he might have integrity, but lacks capability
For the last conclusion, the integrity issue does not lie with a god. It lies with the constituent contributors to the book and those who authenticate and then communicate it as a fact either due to ignorance or scheming

But while breezing down this lane of thinking
pause for a while to remember this
the path dependency or trajectory in which you find yourself might be because your initial premise was that:
"a god personally put pen to paper to write the bible"

In order words if you change the original premise
the trajectory of reasoning and conclusions might a whole lot different from the juncture you find yourself now

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Religion / Re: Can One Lie Disqualify A Truth ? by esere826: 6:53am On Jul 24, 2015
frosbel:
Let's assume you have been holding onto a particular TRUTH for so many years, in fact you spent the best part of your youth believing and serving this TRUTH and then one day you found a lie in this TRUTH and the shock was overwhelming and almost paralysed you for a while.

This shock led you into more research of this TRUTH. Then more lies or fabrications were discovered to your horror.

Will you continue to believe in this TRUTH ?


In layman's terms, can a lie disqualify a TRUTH ?


No..it cant
If I write a lot of stuff in my Nairaland diary almost all lies, but i truthfully name the city I was born
my lies would not and can never disqualify the truth of my birth
However, the more I lie, the less I become credible to my audience until they stop believing me at all, even what i'm saying the truth.

So also many truths cannot qualify a lie
Family / Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by esere826: 7:48pm On Jul 23, 2015
mbulela:

for a minute i thought you were discussing dildos.
\

grin
abegoooo, i no think reach there ooooo
Family / Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by esere826: 10:21am On Jul 23, 2015
AjanleKoko:
The girls seem to have taken over the Boys Night Out Discussions shocked shocked shocked

na so life be
always wanting their privileges and those that should naturally belong to males angry
Politics / Re: Buhari Will Probe Jonathan’s Govt Only; Not Obasanjo’s, Others – Presidency by esere826: 10:18am On Jul 23, 2015
lol

nope. this was probably a misquote of Femi Adesina

If Buhari is afraid (or should I say worried) to step on institutionally big toes
then all he needs to do is to hands off corruption cases like Yaradua did
just allow the law enforcement agencies do the picking for the cases they prefer to go after and then support them
and stop talking about corruption

solely targeting Jonathans men using antiquated philosophies is only going to send a strong signal in the wrong direction
no one is going to be beggarly for justice
the euphoria of the guillotine will wear off of those with leanings towards majority ethnic enclaves who are only able to see the logicality (or illogicality) of such actions.
but seeds of division will be deeply entrenched after such an act

I am as cosmopolitan as the Nigeria jungle can allow
but I doubt I'd be able to come to terms with such naked power games
If I can't, I wonder how the guys with less exposure will process all of this

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Business / Re: Naira Falls Across Markets As CBN Adjust Clearing Rate To N197 by esere826: 12:01am On Jul 23, 2015
ilobasama:
Well the cause of it all is our over dependence on oil. The falling prices of our major product forced all these actions. Its well
yes you are correct
and unfortunately there is little we can do about our oil dependency except the price crashes irrevocably
Its almost how hard it is for a yahu boy to turn from his ways and work hard when an easier and more plentiful source of income exists

Nigeria (not neccesarily its individuals) has been designed to fail or continue on its knees for decades
no matter what PMB does, he'll end up leaving the throne someday
and the party will continue
Religion / Re: "What Is The Cause Of Church Splits? How Can Healing Occur After A Church Split? by esere826: 11:50pm On Jul 22, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
[b]"What is the cause of church splits? /b]

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/church-splits.html#ixzz3fmgiETiy
Churches split because they are organisations
the term "organisation" was coined to describe structured bodies made up of humans
it comes from same root term as "organisms"
organisms have a purposeful structure that allows it live for as long as possible

there is a constant threat of extermination facing all organisms
In order to persist in life, the organism has to constantly modify -self correct itself
it typically achieves this by splitting in order to grow, "splitting" for offsprings that will bear its hopefully modified DNA, and (or) "splitting" away from its parts that stalls its progress

Jesus puts it this way:
"He cuts off every branch that does not produce fruit in me, and he cuts back every branch that does produce fruit, so that it might produce more fruit."

It is therefore only natural that if people do not share the same vision they will split from each other as time goes on
And If both have strong visions they will both grow in their separate paths, otherwise the one or both will fizzle out

How can healing occur after a church split?"
the healing is in the vision, and in the journey of the vision just as Abraham after his split with Lot brought healing to some of the lands he journeyed through
However for the party or parties that lack vision and so hold on to anger
they are like branches tossed into everlasting fire
with the worms of anguish ceaselessly eating them alive
Business / Re: Naira Falls Across Markets As CBN Adjust Clearing Rate To N197 by esere826: 11:14pm On Jul 22, 2015
ilobasama:
Seriously emefiele shouldn't have devalued naira. We are not an exporting nation nau......but what do I know grin
He has no choice
he either devalues the Naira or use our reserves to defend it
If he uses our reserves and the oil price which is our main source of forex does not rise, then we have no money left and will have to borrow to sustain a strong Naira value.

The only way out of this is to lessen the demand for Forex while at the same time encouraging inflow of Forex
so if for example, everything you buy is 100% made in Nigeria, and we are able to sell our made in 9ja products overseas then and only then will
N1 = $1

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Career / Re: Man Graduates With A Distinction For Masters From A UK Uni And Offered A 50k Job by esere826: 9:15pm On Jul 22, 2015
nurexfutmx:
When my sister finished her masters from prestigious Queen's mary University.....she got a 30k job, took the offer....after working for less than a year or two, she finally got a very good offer now earning around 400-500k a month on one of these big investment banks.

So, my advice for anybodg in this situation is to manage the salary and bank on the experience, afterall the friend is from a rich home so he shouldnt be worried about the salary but experienxe for now pending till he gets something bigger.

My advice though

was the money in Naira or pounds?
Career / Re: Man Graduates With A Distinction For Masters From A UK Uni And Offered A 50k Job by esere826: 9:12pm On Jul 22, 2015
AjanleKoko:
Well, the dude should shine his eyes. Na so UK-born masters grads dey find work for the same UK.
No be only Nigeria e dey happen. See some lovely articles below:

Don't bother applying for job without 2:1 degree, say bosses as 80% admit they turn down all graduates without qualification

Got a good degree? Great – now go and work in a shop

All UK oh. Our guy should hang in there, he has a good degree, and he just needs to stay in the game, take the 50k job for experience even. Quitting isn't an option.

grin
Politics / Re: Why You Dont Want Nigeria To Break? Research Purpose Only!!!! by esere826: 12:30am On Jul 21, 2015
I rather that Nigeria remains one and if possible absorb its neighbors to the south and east
However, I am more than happy if the core North breaks away.
The do not play with the same rules as we do, and are too susceptible to religious upheavals (The first time i ever saw the dead for the sake of religion was in the North)

Despite my desire that Nigeria largely remains one
I'm of the view that we remain in the union only if we all play by the same rules with little or no ethnic emotional leaning like I witness regularly (especially in political affiliations and patronage)

In the absence of such fairness, then I elect that we opt for division into discussed and agreed constituents
In case of such non-acrimonious division, and Considering my social and geographical positioning,
I'm modestly but pretty sure that my financial strength will at least triple if this happens -despite the declining price of crude

...I'll miss lagos sha,.. but once in a while, just like I do London,
1'll visit Lagos on a tourist visa and spend some of my awoof oyel cash partying grin

but i guess this is all a pipe dream -the other parts of Nigeria will love us and keep us for a long time while expounding lofty philosophical submissions until there are no more mine-able slush funds to oil our union.
Then when ours is down (and it shall surely finish) and theirs up,
we'll love them back and never let go and then we'll start with our own abracadabra philosophy just they way we are reminded of groundnut and cocoa pyramids that towered to the heavens like the tower of Babel

uhmmmmmm gold-digging 101

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Religion / Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 9:05am On Jul 18, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


You are playing with fire my friend! shocked

"Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned"? (Proverbs 6:28).
A question was asked. And the answer is simple. yep, you can..if you put on protective shoes.
ask anyone who is not familiar with the bible. you'll hear their reply

Have you noticed some interesting aspects of the bible about counter arguments,
for example,....
-Jesus countering Satan with same Bible that Satan quoted
-Jesus countering those who squeezed their faces when he was about to heal the paralytic
-the Caananite woman countering Jesus submissions about her legitimacy to partake of healing
-Jesus countering those that reasoned that a man was born blind because of sin. Jesus simply twisted the argument in order to bring about results

this is what I believe >>
that the letter follows the Spirit, and not the other way round
If I'm lead to think or act in a certain way, I can always find scriptural and logical arguments to push my case
However, if someone first seeks the letter to support his pursuit
he would be like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and tossed about
Especially when we've got a bible that we've got thousands of people interpreting differently


Remember that father Abraham repented and made his way right before the God. (Genesis 17:1).
Repent koh, repent ni. that's what they thought me in sunday school. (I suspect say u be my sunday school teacher sef)
no ways,... he was still arguing with God in that verse and even helping God with suggestions for his successor
that was father Abraham for you tongue
Politics / Re: Ex-NSA Dasuki Refuses To Surrender, Say SSS Has No Arrest Warrant by esere826: 1:09pm On Jul 17, 2015
Is this payback time for Dasuki for arresting Buhari during the coup that threw him out of power?
This kind of siege doesn't feel normal
it reeks of vandetta
Religion / Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 1:27am On Jul 16, 2015
In conformance to the tradition set by the woman who insisted that dogs eat crumbs from the master's table after Jesus tried to pull a fast one on her by throwing an anecdote of dogs and children at her
..i'll go on wink
OLAADEGBU:

Can I still play with the dog, who can play with fire and not be burnt? cool
U sure can play with the dog especially if you're a dog trainer
you can also play with fire and not get burnt if you a weary and play safely


Have you forgotten that the world is still suffering from Abraham's decision to go into his maid today?

that's the point of view of us christians, ..I doubt if the Jews even think that way
the other side (non-christians) don't percieve it that way either
And guess what, the last time I heard about father Abraham,
he was chilling in a cool place visible from hades after what he caused on earth, he was even giving a topographic lecture to the rich man -talk about reward angry
can we then surmise by saying that those who try hard to keep to the letter do a lot of moaning, while those who don't bother seem to be having their cake and eating it sad
Religion / Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 1:52pm On Jul 15, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


If the guy no spend would love still kontiniu?
As long as the money was only an extra, and not the main thing the love was built on. yep she'll still love him

Are you sure Jesus in Matthew 6:1-4 did not condemn it? :-
Nope, he didn't. He only said "Beware". Just like saying "beware of dog". This is not condemning the dog or the person that might be bitten by the dog

Remember the double minded man that James spoke about. wink
Nope, he's not double minded.
He's like Abraham the father of faith who believed God for a heir, but still had a son from his maid
lest the story have been told that Abraham been try, then he doubted God at the last minute and ended up with no children at all sad
..it is said to be innocent as doves and shrewd as serpents embarassed
Religion / Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 1:31pm On Jul 15, 2015
MuttleyLaff:
[size=4pt]I hear you too, heard you loud and clear

If we're trying to turn the cube a little bit to see what else we can see, let's even try push the boat out, a bit further, bit in the deep end

Now not trying stir up a hornet's nest here but when I hear people say so-and-so has humility or such-and-such is so humble,
am like well, hmm but "Humility isn't actually humility unless there's something you're good enough at to be humble about."
That was a God quote from the "Joan of Arcadia" series, it used to be shown a few years back on the CBS Network
When I heard that line in the series, the penny about Numbers 12:3 dropped for me

Numbers 12:3
(Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)

Hmm, imagine leading a nation out of Egypt,
lead half a million Israelites or say more than 2 million people, if women and children are included, to the promised land
now if that isnt something to be humble about, I dont know what else is.
That, right there, is humility. That is a feat.
No wonder the Bible recorded he was very humble, more than any of the men who are on the face of the ground

If the word humility, as we know it to be, is also associated with meekness, lowliness or submissiveness,
then it will wear thin and fail miserably, in the face for anyone subscribing to or endorsing one, any or all of the following:
1. KNEELING before them while addressing them with your head bowed
2. Calling them my lord
3. Ministers DEMANDING on 'honor' such as being addressed as daddy, mum....and publicly rebuking those who don't
4. Literally kissing their feet/shoes
5. Removing shoes in their presence
6. Washing their feet
7. Defining honor as agreeing with their EVERY word, doctrine

I dont recall ever, reading Moses, a man exceedingly humble above all men that dwelt upon earth,
allowing any of the Israelites according him, at any time, one, any or all of vooks' listings

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Using the English definition of HUMBLE just like you have (..make I no use original Hebrew translation and root because I no sabi am)
suggests that the leader is perceived to accrue to himself less of the privileges/power/visibility than he would otherwise be able to have
You are right

You and I might not be under the influence of these leaders alright
but perhaps, their followers call them humble because they are placed on very high pedestals by the followers
to the extent that if the leader asks to slap them, they would oblige
so here comes the leader instead of slapping the follower, requests only that his feet be washed
..."wow, the leader is so humble" they'd say

So I guess humility has a lot to do with what is being measured against, and by whom
Religion / Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 3:06pm On Jul 14, 2015
MuttleyLaff:

I agree with Vooks and yourself
However, I ask where in the world do folks get some strange leadership-followership ideas from (which might end up being abused)
I refuse (or fear) to believe that these leaders seat down to conjure up these practices hoping that their followers tow it
I suspect its a natural flow from their value system (both the leaders and followers)


Look at us arguing respectfully
it is clear that our value system supports this, and any Christian leader that engages with us would have to come to the table with lots of brain power ... (though we also have some inert but suppressed vile values birthed by our cultures and traditions)

However, it makes sense that an insultive Christian would only sync with a leader who is able to use brash coercive psychological force to keep him in check

You can thus see a certain semblance of character between the follower and the followee.
This I suspect is because they share similar underlying cultures (I am not talking about tradition oo)


perhaps there is another angle to this
maybe the leader has special gift that enables him stir and configure his followers values/culture/beliefs to be same as his.

Whatever, the case, I seriously doubt that a man go siddon start to dey plan how him wan make a fool of him congregation
That South Aftrican pastor that get his followers to eat grass should be a good case study for my line of argument

....all said, I largely agree with you guys. All of this is just me trying to turn the cube a little bit to see what else we can see


*Additional comment..To buttress my thoughts around culture, you noticed how the OP laid out his argument for standing up for pastors. He came in from the point of view that we typically stand up for presidents, and then transferred that same honor to the pastors. That argument might not fly well with a British person who typically won't be bothered to stand for his prime minister. However, if the OP and his folks do a good job of transferring the adulation given to the queen unto the pastor, then indeed not only will they stand, they will also bow before the pastor.
Religion / Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 10:20am On Jul 14, 2015
vooks:

When I said cultural disposition is abused, I meant it is abused by those who readily ascribe the practices I described to culture.
You opined that some of these practices are borrowed from culture. I countered that by asking where else they are found outside Christianity. If they are found nowhere else outside Christianity, then it is wrong to 'blame' culture for these. They would be nothing but internal practices

I did get your point (and I agree with you that leaders with an awe struck following can and do a number of times abuse such privilege. It is natural human flaw that is even replete in the Bible)
However, for the sake of some extra intellectual argument -playing the "devils advocate" or should I say the "angels advocate"
I am arguing that culture goes beyond that which is obvious in the community
It is like an iceberg assemblage see https://equity.spps.org/uploads/iceberg_model_3.pdf

A not too tidy example: if a church encourages the followers to wash the feet of their apostles
you might find out that an underlying but seemingly unrelated saying in that community is "moni no dey shout say this man make me from toilet washing"
Consequently, the follower doing the washing might be thinking "if I wash this pastor leg, God go give me money"
The pastor himself whose feet is being washed might be driven by another philosophy embedded within the culture of his community.

Now remember Peter was not pleased with unclean animals that he was given to eat in his dream, and it showed in the way it affected his ministry with the gentiles.
I think Prophet Jeremiah it was who pleaded with God to change his mind about cooking with human poo, because it was unclean.
All of this was as a manifestation of culture

I am not holding brief for these guys, after all, the spirit of the prophet is subject to the control of the prophet
I am just exploring an alternative reasoning apart from the normal "false prophet" label or the "you must obey God's prophets" mentality
Religion / Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 11:53pm On Jul 13, 2015
OLAADEGBU:

There are two types of rewards, from men and from God. Which one do you think we should be aiming for?

I think we should first try to be nice. reward or no reward
for example get up for that old lady to sit even if God no bless you

I then think that the next step is to look out for the rewards for our niceness.
Its like a girl marrying a guy because she loves him. But the extra is that the guy dey spend sha

I think that if you have waited too long for God's reward for your niceness and u neva get am, then try mans own
afterall, Jesus did not condemn it.

I think that you can further jig it to have 50/50 potential reward distribution from God and man.
Any one that comes first would be gratefully received. cheesy
Religion / Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 11:41pm On Jul 13, 2015
vooks:

'Cultural disposition' is often abused.
Here is what I would look for; is any of these practiced anywhere outside Churchianity by the same community? And is the same an accepted norm?

I would dig deeper than what is obvious in the community
culture is often like an iceberg with a lot of its intricate underlining forces submerged in the subconscious -away from site

Yes, cultural disposition is often abused
and cases abound were such honor /loyalty to leadership has led to 'cultic' physical and material destruction when the leader turns from the right, and his sheep follow blindly

However, looking at the history of Christianity you might notice that major thrusts have been achieved by a dangerous few
who seem to bend the rules in an absurd but dogged way.
It seems to strike the chord needed to galvanise a zealous following who would otherwise not have moved their behinds for the things of God.
The gospel is warehoused by human vessels, so I guess Christianity has to live with the risk that what can be soooo gooood and powerful , can be abused and become sooooooo baaaaad and enslaving.
Where do we draw the line?

that's why I believe that sensible criticism must be tolerated
Religion / Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 10:50am On Jul 12, 2015
vooks:
Good post Gombs.
Can you give examples of WRONGLY honoring God's ministers?

Or, could you tell me if any of these is right;
1. KNEELING before them while addressing them with your head bowed
2. Calling them my lord
3. Ministers DEMANDING on 'honor' such as being addressed as daddy,mum....and publicly rebuking those who don't
4. Literally kissing their feet/shoes
5. Removing shoes in their presence
6. Washing their feet
7. Defining honor as agreeing with their EVERY word, doctrine


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My instinct would be to say that they are wrong, ....but wait a minute
my instincts may be honed by my culture

I guess all first 6 (and perhaps the 7th) have a lot to do with the Minister's and Congregation's cultural disposition

for example
I am not an expert in Italian culture, but I noticed that their movies depict that the dons stretch out their hands, and is kissed by those loyal to them
I see the Roman Catholic Church Pope does the same thing

I would assume that a minister and congregation from the Yoruba stock might not see anything wrong with laying prostrate before church authority.
At first, I would feel repulsed if I am expected to do that....I don't have that culture

....but now for the 7th one
uhmmmm
Defining honor as agreeing with their EVERY word, doctrine
I can't think of any modern culture that ascribes to this
except perhaps dictatorial ones like Taliban and North Korea
Religion / Re: Does The Lord Change Or Not? by esere826: 9:12pm On Jul 08, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
Does the Lord change or not?

[size=5pt] Malachi 3:6; and Genesis 6:6, 7; Exodus 32:14; Jonah 3:10

God does not change:

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore you sons of Jacob, are not consumed" (Malachi 3:6).

God does change:

"And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him in His heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repents me that I have made them" (Genesis 6:6,7).

"And the LORD repented of the evil which He thought to do to His people" (Exodus 32:14).

"When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it" (Jonah 3:10) [/size].

YHWH has both characteristics of change and "unchangeability", so the answer is yes for both.
Its just like the story of how definitions depends on what part of the elephant a man who happens to be blind touches.

Consider this
A mans wife screams at him for always peeing on the toilet seat and she says he needs to change
he grunts back and says to her "I am a man with a dangling hose which sometimes misfires... . abeg.. You wan make I turn to woman? I can never change"

Again, this same man some 5 yrs back had sworn that he will not marry until he clocks 40. He suddenly met a damsel who is not willing to wait for him. He repents of his oath and quickly marries her so that she doesn't run off with another fella.

We can see that the man 'can change', and yet 'can not change'
A question that can follow from such analysis is how can we be sure which part of God we are exposed to, and in what circumstance? Can we trust that he will not change when we need him to be the unchangeable one?
Politics / Ben Murray Bruce Narrates The Stupidity Of Some E-rats by esere826: 12:15am On Jul 07, 2015
A Third Alternative to PDP and APC
by Ben Murray Bruce
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/a-third-alternative-to-pdp-and-apc/213992/

Months after the 2015 elections ended, Nigerian youths are still hung up on those elections. Nowhere is this more obvious than on social media which our youths have turned to a battle ground divided into pro People Democratic Party (PDP) and pro All Progressives Congress (APC) youths. So ingrained is this animosity that each group targets elected officials and party chieftains of the opposing parties and go after them just on the basis of their party affiliation. Things reached a comical stage when a youth attacked me for a tweet on Twitter and hours later was praising a popular youth for his tweet. Unbeknownst to him was the fact that the youth had merely tweeted my exact words but had not credited me with the quote!


These shenanigans makes me concerned for our youth. Where they should be getting closer and breaking down barriers, they are holding a candle for politicians who in reality are not as divided as they lead these youths to believe.


For instance, Senator Bukola Saraki is the Senate President and Chairman of the National Assembly today. He could not have been elevated to that exalted seat were it not for the votes of senators of the PDP. What does that teach us? It teaches us that all politicians are divided by a common interest which united them when the conditions are right and temporarily divides them when they are wrong.

I advise youths not to look at Nigeria from a pro PDP or APC perspective. They should see the country from a pro youth outlook. Their future is greater than a party. Nigerian youths should not believe and act as if the only options available to them are either the PDP or the APC. There is a third alternative.


This third alternative is patriotism.
I am reminded of the wise words of Mark Twain who defined patriotism as “loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it”. Our youths have to imbibe this wisdom from Mark Twain and refrain from saying and tweeting nasty stuff about each other and their religions, regions, tribes and ethnicities.

Those who engage in this do not understand that foreigners follow Twitter trends and when our youths are disrespecting each other’s ethnicities and religions, they must realise that foreigners do not see us as Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo. They just see us as Nigerians. I therefore advise our youths and indeed all Nigerians to speak of Nigeria in a way that shows the world that we value her. If we put a small price on Nigeria, we should be rest assured that the world will not raise that price.
We should not come on social media to abuse one another on partisan grounds. That to me is an abuse of the platform.


I am sure Jack Dorsey, Noah Glass, Biz Stone and Evan Williams, who founded Twitter, did not found it as a platform where we come to outdo each other in raining insults on those on the opposite political divide from us. Speaking for myself, I am on Twitter to release my ideas for scrutiny and receive ideas of other Twitter users for contemplation, because none of us is as smart as all of us.

Our youths need to understand that we are living in an idea age not an insult age. It takes interdependence and interconnection to create the atmosphere that inspires brilliant ideas. Our youths are short circuiting this interconnection when they alienate each other.


And I am aghast as to what to say to those elders who come on Twitter and fan the embers of division amongst our youths by retweeting them when they retweet insults and destructive criticism against their political opponents. Even worse is when they praise them by calling them intelligent for engaging in this behaviour.

We really need to watch it. Nigerian youths are beginning to define intelligence as the ability to come up with the most sophisticated insult and criticism. We urgently need to redefine intelligence in Nigeria. Mudslinging, cynicism and criticism are not acts of intelligence. Ideas and creativity are. If you are truly intelligent, you won’t be on Twitter lobbing insults on political opponents. Instead you will be tweeting ideas that inspire solutions to Nigeria’s challenges!


I want to urge these elders, who I have come to be aware are called Twitter overlords, to remember that true elders plant trees of peace even though they know they may never benefit from the shades of those trees.


President Barack Obama, Senator Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton are some of the most criticised political figures in the world, but they do not use social media to react to the criticism they receive. Instead, conscious of the fact that their role is to set good moral standards for the youths, they constantly tweet uplifting and inspiring tweets which have the capacity to unite people. That is what we should do as elders in Nigeria. If we do not do this, we should consider that a time may come when those attack dogs have savaged all our enemies, and having nothing else to savage they may turn on us.

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Religion / Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 7:33pm On Jul 06, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


So, what you are saying is that we should show our good works, right?
Strategy wise ...yes
humility or discretion wise -no

It depends on which is the overriding factor at that point

for example, if i pick up a man on the streets and help him to his feet economically
,....it makes no sense for me to announce it. What gain do I have for this even from men?
however, if i want to encourage others to do the same, i definitely will use that experience as an example
also, if like Rochas Okoracha, I want to run for presidency, I would be happy to draw peoples attention to my act of kindness so that they vote for me.

I guess at the end of the day, the question would be if I would help that man if I have nothing temporal to gain from it
if the answer is yes,
then it doesn't really matter whether I do my good deed in secret (without gain) or in the open (for additional strategic gains)
in essence, the overiding purpose was not that I have the glory of men, and probably neither that of God

We could change the topic to trying to identify the blessings from both types of acts
and then ask if God would go ahead and bless me after doing this act from the mindset i have espoused
and I would probably answer that
"your Father which sees in secret Himself shall reward you openly"
he has seen your secret mindset and has rewarded you openly.
Hence your ability, determination and capability to even lift that guy up economically in the first place
Religion / Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 8:33pm On Jul 05, 2015
nothing wrong with letting our good works be seen
as it is written
" let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."
if you take this literary, you see there is a distinction between the works and the light
in order words, it can be interpreted as saying
draw attention to your good works so that folks will see it and bless God

But then what about the other verse that seems to suggest we hide our good works
Well, there are a number of explanations I can give, but I'll give only this one.
an excerpt from the verse shows this:
"......that they may have glory of men."

So we see that this is an admonition to those who are yet to emerge from self
those who are yet to understand their oneness with God, those who are separate from God

Remember what was said about Christ
that he went about doing good.
he sure wasn't trying too hard to hide it.

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