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Nobody should mind this wretched thief.

THOU SHALL NOT BE A MAGA!

The funny thing is that this Yoruba Oduduwa fable contradicts the Bini Oduduwa story.

The Binis believe that Oduduwa was a bini prince who escaped from detention to Yorubaland to become a king, while Yorubas believe he fell from the clouds.

So who's lying and who's telling the truth.

Shouldn't this be moved to Culture?

This topic again?

Honestly, it's an interesting read. This similarities might has resulted from the interactions that the 2 groups likely had in the past like the Moremi account.

However, the attempt to say that the 2 languages were one at one point cannot be substantiated by archeological evidence, and using linguistic cognates alone is a weak argument.

That said, our different approach to life also points out that we are not from the same source.

Personally, I wouldn't like to be linked to the Yoruba because I dont find their casual attitude to life cool.(just my personal opinion though)

These minority groups in the North would be better off if they support someone who clearly identify himself a minority. It will set the tone for someone from such groups to be President in future.

Please let's just knock this argument off, and never discuss it again. Ekpeye is not Igbo(id), Ikwerre is not Igbo(id).

Can people go to sleep now?

^^^
And what made you think he's 'Ibo' either? Whatever that term means.

Wahala - hausa

You too get wahala- You are troublesome

^^^
To add to your explanation. Most times it's hard for non-Igbos who are not familiar with Igboland and Igbo history to understand what's going on here. Igbos are not trying to claim anybody. The crux of this issue the is need to stop the blatant lie being spread by these people that they are not ethnic Igbos.

Igbos know who is Igbo and who is not. I dont think they(Igbos) are that ignorant not to know who is clearly a non-Igbo.

@ Oyinda

I dont know where you got that statement of yours. Is the same thing not happening in Yorubaland with the Yoruba denials in Kwara state who vehemently claim that they are not Yorubas, even when the whole world knows they are?

www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-564090.0.html

So I really dont get where you are coming from when you make the topic at hand look like 'Igbos and African americans are
the only groups I know that
seem to beg people to identify
with them' thing.

SA Lady:
@topic so we have the Ikwerre people, aaaahhhhhhh! nice discovery to a South African.

You're welcome to the Nigeria 101 class. Happy learning!

Katsumoto:
QUESTION:  WHAT CAN YOU RECALL ABOUT THE MID-WEST INCURSION OF 1967?

RESPONSE:  I was completely out of the loop.  As stated above, we were taken unawares, facilitated by some black legs amongst us.  I was busy organizing and rehearsing the Civil Defence Operations in Benin and doing the write-up and training.  I was, as it were, detached from conventional Army duties. I did not believe that the Biafrans would enter Mid-West for it had been agreed by the Federal, Eastern and Mid-West Governments that Mid-West should remain neutral.

In fact a company of Federal troops that entered Mid-West (led by Lt. Igbinosa) was ordered out of the Mid-West by Col. Conrad Nwawo, the 4th Area Commander, Benin.  So one expected that Ojukwu who was aware of this should be gentleman enough to abide by the agreement.  He did not and those of us who were not involved in the betrayal were taken completely unawares.

http://www.dawodu.com/omoigui52.htm

In May Gowon issued a decree implementing the Aburi Agreement. Even the Northern Region leaders, who had been the first to threaten secession, now favored the formation of a multistate federation. Meanwhile, the military governor of the Midwestern Region announced that his region must be considered neutral in the event of civil war.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/biafra.htm

To oversimplify, a lull of several months occured after the declaration, to be interrupted when the Biafrans invaded the de facto neutral terrain of the Midwest Region. As Biafra was now perceived as expansionist, this provoked a violent response from the federal military government who retook the Midwest with ease, escalating the conflict into a full-scale war which resulted in between 1 to 3 million deaths and the reincorporation of Biafran territory into the republic after a victory for the federation.

http://www.nigeria-planet.com/

But two flukes of pre-war politics gave the Biafrans a chance. The first fluke was geography. The Yorubas (largest group in the western region, where the capital of Lagos was) weren't very enthusiastic about the war. They'd spent the decade paralyzed by in-fighting, so they hadn't been
able to get into the blood feuds that the rest of the country did with the Biafrans. Also, their region was separated from Biafra by the Mid-West region. The Mid-West was an ethnic quilt, with Igbos, Yorubas, and dozens of other groups. The governor was afraid that if he supported the
Federals or Biafrans, the Mid-West would be torn apart -- so he declared it to be neutral. It shielded both the Yorubas and Biafrans from each
other. Not experiencing the war, many Yorubas decided they didn't have a dog in the fight. Yoruba writers, poets, and artists began to
protest the war. The Federal troops in Lagos -- mostly from other parts of the country -- and the Lagosians began to snarl at each other, and everybody was afraid of a riot.

http://www.historykb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/what-if/13441/Biafra-s-First-Gamble-long

At this stage of the war, the other regions of Nigeria (the West and Mid-West) still considered the war as a confrontation between the north (mainly Hausas) against the east (mainly Igbos). But the Biafrans responded with an offensive of their own when, on 9 August, the Biafran forces moved west into the Mid-Western Nigerian region across the Niger river, passing through Benin City, until they were stopped at Ore (in present day Ondo State) just over the state boundary on 21 August, just 130 miles east of the Nigerian capital of Lagos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War

The Western and Mid-western regions were parts of Nigeria but they were neutral until the invasion by the Biafrans.

Now you answer my questions. Were you expecting all Western and mid-western officers to resign their commissions instead of fighting against Biafra? Did they swear oaths of allegiance to Nigeria or Biafra? Having said that, there were Yoruba officers who did resign their commissions; one of such was Lt Col Ayo Ariyo.

You keep avoiding the question i keep asking you. Were the Mid-west and the West not parts of the geographical entity called Nigeria that blockaded biafran waters and territory? I need a yes or no answer.

Cultism: The new phase of crime in Ekiti.
www.ekiti.com/ekitinews/display_search.php?news_source=&news_id=101217

Ileke-IdI:
The story of kidnapping, despoil, robbery and killing comes out of Aba [Biafra] everyday.


https://www.nairaland.com/nige ria/topic-529440.0.html

Your ekiti state is not lagging behind in the kidnapping biz.

Ekiti kidnap:Monarchs ascond their palaces
www.thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/36457/1/Ekiti-kidnap-Monarchs-seek-police-protection/Page1.html

Ileke-IdI:
We know, they got the HIV infestation from the likes of girls daily despoiled by Igbo men in Igbo land.

They say go t o Lagos and get Igbo girl buy 1 get 2 free. Just gear yourself with condoms and toothpicks. By the time you're done with the unmentionables, you'll think your teeth are razor blades.

Yoruba woman are known to dislike condoms. Am sure you do also. So what are you saying?

Ileke-IdI:
Igboaland full of rapists ===> Some unloose in the SW

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/12/when-rapists-storm-girls-school/

Many says that Biafra would have been full of kidnappers, rapists, drug peddlers, okija-shrine worshippers, and many more. Could this be true? Did the Yorubas actually saved Igboland from the "foreseen"?

Are there no rapists, kidnapped and thieves in Yoruba land? How can you save others when you haven't saved yourself?

4 Yoruba men rape 11 year-old girl, infest her with HIV.
www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/09/07/4-men-rape-girl-11-infect-her-with-hiv/

Aigbofa:
Lesson No 1: Don't mess with Ekiti woman, they don't suffer fools gladly.

My brother I tire o. I never knew Ekiti women were like this. No wonder Aloy_Emeka keep tongue-lashing them as the most backward and uneducated Yoruba women.

ileke-idi nla is on heat!!! run run run.

Katsumoto:
Yes the West and mid-western regions were neutral. Conscription of civilians into the Army began after the Biafran invasion. Other than that, Western and mid-western soldiers were professional soldiers. Go and read your history books.

It appears that you are not aware that several Easterners fought against Biafra.

You keep avoiding one question I keep asking you. Were the West and Mid-west a part of the geographical entity called Nigeria or not?

Katsumoto:
You continue to appear illogical and emotional. Were you expecting all Western and mid-western soldiers to resign their commissions in the military? Adekunle was a NIGERIAN soldier given a task to prosecute and he prosecuted it as a Nigerian soldier and not as a Yoruba soldier. The Western and mid-western regions were still neutral prior to the Biafran invasion of the mid-west and the West at Ore.

It amuses me how you try to sound smart in your arguments, and in the process run into more trouble.

Was Western Nigeria a different country from Nigeria? Nigerian soldiers invaded Biafra, and yet you are trying to tell us some parts of Nigeria were neutral? Neutral, yet supplied their sons to join the Nigerian military? Dude, think again.

alj harem:
my igbo brothers, we know we are dirty and make trouble anywhere we go

until we stop making trouble, we igbos will get killed in masses i tell yeah

Did you read the main article or you are just responding ignorantly? Is it the Igbos who were despoiled and their properties stolen by thieves the same ones making trouble? Are you ok?

jason12345:
my parents told me they never knew igbos. the itsekiris only knew the bini, urhobo and ijaw with most of the minorities down south not igbos. moreover, i apologise if the out burst my offend you but i hate when someone thinks he is superior to another and thats what ojukwu tried doing with the letter. i was shocked that excanny and co did not see anything wrong wiith what ojukwu said. how can you not respect other but you want others to respect you? how?

As long as you see nothing wrong with Adekunle(a Yoruba man) invading Biafran
territories, I shall see nothing wrong in Ojukwu trying to do the same in Adekunle's Yoruba territory. Shi ke nan. Ka gane?

jason12345:
@ excanny

is that how you come back  okay we are bolo thats why the fulani used betrayal not battle to get ilorin. as i said earlier, through out history we never knew you guys existed because you are insignificant!!! you never even had a kingdom (and pls, do not give me that crap about nri kingdom) talkless of an empire! we and the fulanis have been trading since the time we meet. we had calvaly while you had cutlass. if not for the british that merged all of us together. the hausa and fulanis would have been the best. their empire stretched from senegal to north of cameroun. that would have been closely followed by the yorubas who's empire stretched from east of ghana to western nigeria. even the binis empire would be before you guys! so yes, the northern army can occupy us atlest they give a bit of respect compared to that rat called ojukwu. may God allow you guys declare your land and resource grabbing war again, wo, [b]the living would envy the dead in your countr[/b]y!!!! bunch of imbe.ciles!!! biafra my backside!!!! pls, if they born you guys well, declare it!!!

i was even trying to be diplomatic but it seems that there is no reasoning with you guys!!! even a latino knows this!!!

Prove to me that you have Yoruba blood, can you? People who come come from mixed families are being denied the ethnicity of their mothers, talk less of you who had neither mother nor father from the tribe you are desperating trying to claim.

Can you show somebody your family's ancestral land in the SW? Keep deceiving yourself. Come at me as an Itsekiri that you are and quit hiding under Yoruba shadow.

strangerf:
Hows that marginalization?
I did not say they should not get their own share of the federal loot. I just want them to stay in their neck of the wood.

The dirty the SW with thier dirty attitude and behaviour.

Tell your Yoruba communities to get the hell out of the SE first with their almajiri behaviours. They are a burden on our states resources. They want free lands, free markets, free food, free everything, freaking parasites.

Members of the Yoruba
community living in Enugu State
have cried out over what they
described as total neglect and
marginalization by the present
administration of governor
Sullivan Chime.
The aggrieved members of
Yoruba community who made
their feelings public through
their leader, Mr. Ade Johnson
Adeyelu, in a chat with newsmen
in Enugu regretted that the
Yoruba community which was
formed as a corporate body in
1990 , and registered under the
then Anambra State
Government, regretted that they
had never experienced under
the previous administration in
Enugu State the high level of
marginalization they are now
suffering in the hand of the
present government in the state.
His words: “We have passed
through series of military
governors and military
administrators down the line of
civilian governors. Over these
years, we have enjoyed some
sort of patronage from the
government. Patronage in the
sense that some Yorubas then
were given the opportunity to be
members of the Muslim Welfare
Board . As a result of that they
were given one or two slots to
participate in Hajj operations in
Medina . From 1990, down to
when Chimaroke became
governor, we still enjoyed the
slots that were given to the
Yoruba community in Enugu “,
he stressed.
Continuing, Mr. Adeyelu further
said : “There is no doubt we are
facing a lot of problems in this
state. We have not benefited
anything from the present
administration in Enugu State.
We as a community we have
participated in almost all the
activities of the state. The last
straw that broke the camel ’s
back was the present Hajj
operation which we
recommended people to
participate. But up till now, there
is no single Yoruba man that
belongs to the Yoruba
community that was given any
slot to participate in the Hajj
operation. Since governor Chime
on board, I have written about
five letters to him to allow the
executive of the Yoruba
community to meet one on one
with him. At least for him to
know the problems we are
facing in the state.

www.thetidenewsonline.com/?p=3356

These ekiti folks are savages in disguise. But their Yoruba communities in Igboland are enjoying peace.

Jealousy is really a MONSTER. smh.

Aigbofa:
You people are living in a fantasy world. Northerners will never dare target Yorubas. There are too many of them in Yorubaland, ( i.e Kwara ) besides, they have been in peace with Yorubas now for over a century.
What they are not used to are overbearing, greedy and extremely haughty ibos.

Yes, abokis are all around you? But the question is, can your Yoruba butts stare them in the face. Throughout your bleeped up existence as almajiris of the south, have Yorubas ever asked why any of their kins was killed in the North.

Aba boys have taken it upon themselves to take out all freaking abokis in Igboland if any of them touches Igbos without provocation. They were even gearing for reprisals during the Jos crisis, before they were told not to worry that Igbos only lost properties, and no lives.

Was there any reaction in the whole of the SW? They moved on as if nothing happenned.

Yet, you come here to say nonsense that your had Oyo Empire. Oyo Empire my a55.

bk.babe97y:
So what if Katsumoto discusses Biafran issue? Maybe thats what he's expert in! Me I'm expert in ony two subjects: Ibos and Ojukwu! Bite me! . . . . eh, actually dont. Just remembered yall Ibos is cannibals!!!

Katsumoto dont pay them no mind :THIS IS THE TYPICAL IBO REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY THEY TRYING ON YOU!!!! Hoping you'll defend urself by replying less to Ibo/Biafra related topics so they can run amok with their revised history!

Who dash this akata ghetto-goat expert? You're only an expert in making a fool of yourself. Eranko samaria.

Akin-Egba:
Are MY Yorubas not being killed and their properties destroyed in the North as well? Why are some of my people so, so ignorant?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-202599.0.html
http://creepingsharia./2010/03/08/nigeria-muslims-slaughter-400-500-christians-in-latest-jos-crisis/
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-205394.0.html
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070326/nigeria-christian-teacher-killed-by-muslim-student-mob/

What they even do now, since Ngwa boys have been killing their a55es, anytime they touch any Igbo life, to concentrate on killing Yoruba(since they know they never ask questions why their kindred were killed) but only destroying Igbo properties.

Jos crisis: Why only Yorubas dead?
www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-205394.0.html

Yoruba-confirmed bolos and arupos in everything.

T9ksy:
The main problem with the igbos is that, though they are quite smart, they make the erronous mistake in assuming that others are dumb. The sh.it that they won't accept from anyone, they will try imposing it on others and when the people turn it down, they become abusive whilst also distorting the facts.

Was Adekunle(a Yoruba) not already stationed at the bight of bonny trying to take over our land, so what's the crying about when we decide to do the same to you.

jason12345:
When did yorubas or mid west tell ojukwu or igbos that they needed liberation? If igbos cal that betrayal then we would be betraying eachother for a very long time! Liberation my arse!

Yoruba na bolo right from time. What did your aszes do when the northern soldiers overtake your land? Awo dey beg Gowon make him remove them. Gowon shout for am say him no trust Yoruba soldier. What did Awo do when his request was turned down? He silently went back into his shell. The operation was to dislodge the northerners and take Nigeria's capital the way Nigeria captured Biafra's capital.

jason12345:
can you imagine the insult! Ne wants to colonize the yorubas! The man is so senseless! Even the ijaws could perceive the insult not to talk of the yorubas. The hausa, fulanis and us have cultural and historic ties compared with this ojukwu man. How can a man the cannot control his people control an empire that stretches from Nigeria to east Togo!

Weren't the Ijaws under his rule before that time? Guy, dey check your content before you post nau!

jason12345:
My problem is that from the letter it can be deduced  that ojukwu wanted to rule the south including yorubas an the ijaws!

Here's your answer.

Sharing.our belief that the
people of Yorubaland have a
right to live a life of equality and
self-respect and justice free of
domination and dictatorship
from any quarter

The phrase 'any quarter' means excluding all. When a person uses that statement, he's also including himself.

From the letter, it
can be said that he was power
drunk! Why negotiate with banjo
not awo?

There wasn't any negotiations going on here. Banjo was released from prison, and put on that assignment of going to Lagos to capture Gowon for blockading Biafran
waters. Banjo could have been executed, but was sent on that mission as a price for his release. It was the same thing Gowon did to Boro by releasing him from Kirikiri, and was sent off to war and not as Gowon's equal. Same thing happened with Ojukwu and Banjo.

Dictating
terms with the west and mw?
Something, I wonder how people
think?

This was an assignment to launch an offensive using Biafran soldiers, so the commander-in-chief dictates how his soldiers will flush out the northern soldiers and for how long they allowed to be used.

I think your other questions are related and somehow answered.