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CrimeRe: Release her body, I don't want autopsy - Mary Habila's father petitions IGP (vid by Explore2xmore: 9:36pm On Jul 17
RUWACH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvoGTp3T-a0
Perhaps for an investigative security record a completely non-invasive postmortem examinations could be done. This preserves the body and includes tests such as an external examination, CT and MRI scans, X-rays, ultrasound, photography, and 3D imaging. Together, these methods form a virtual autopsy (virtopsy), which can identify many injuries and diseases without dissection. Needle biopsies and fluid sampling are considered minimally invasive.
PoliticsRe: Margaret Obi Dancing At An Event In Lagos by Explore2xmore: 5:14pm On Jul 16
Mrexcell:
Am talking about the mega infrastructures that the federal govt built in lagos with nigeria's common wealth and not the monthly allocations there's no oil producing state that u will find infrastructures like the third mainland bridge and the murthala muhammed international airport.
Those projects were built when Lagos was the nation's capital and were funded from the federal purse as national assets, not from state allocations. That historical context is important. At the same time, recent fiscal trends and federal investment patterns show Lagos continues to receive significant attention. The aviation minister has also stated that revenue from airports like Lagos, Abuja, and Kano supports smaller airports, reflecting a deliberate policy that channels major investment toward high-traffic hubs.
PoliticsRe: Margaret Obi Dancing At An Event In Lagos by Explore2xmore: 7:55am On Jul 16
Mrexcell:
Yes other states do also collect federal monthly allocations but can't be compared to what lagos has received due to it's former status as nigeria's capital, some of the states in the niger delta where the resources are coming from are even heavily cheated by the nigerian state that only gives them 13% of the proceeds of their God given oil and gas resources while the rest 87% is used to develop places like lagos and abuja, only an ingrate will completely dismiss federal govt massive contributions in the infrastructural development of lagos state.
Even if at just 13% derivation the question to ask is how the benefitting states have utilised these specific earnings.
Lagos state is one of the least dependent on federal allocations as its funds itself overwhelmingly from IGR being a commercial hub.

Really though how does Margaret Obi dancing at an event tramslate to political news. Is this a political event or random other social gathering.
IslamRe: Why I Rejected Other Belief Systems And Chose Islam by Explore2xmore: 2:24pm On Jul 13
It is wrong to treat apostasy, hypocrisy, and wartime treachery as the same. They are distinct categories. Qur'an 9:73–74 addresses hostile hypocrites plotting against the Muslim community, not everyone who leaves Islam. Qur'an 4:89 must be read with 4:90, which exempts those who withdraw and seek peace, showing the context is armed hostility. Qur'an 88:21–24 states that the Prophet is only a warner, while Allah administers the ultimate punishment. The hadith is where the legal debate begins as it has been understood in the context of apostasy coupled with rebellion and political betrayal, not merely a private change of belief.
PoliticsRe: I Am Rejoicing For The Release Of Oyo Kidnapped Kids—Peter Obi by Explore2xmore: 12:23am On Jul 12
Whatever the case it is good for the victims and the country that they are now free from ransom detention. Then the unassociated divergence to PO isn't whether Peter Obi is a Forbes billionaire or whether the Pandora Papers proved theft; they didn't.
The questions are about disclosure and public office. Obi became governor in March 2006 but resigned his UK company directorship only in May 2008, around 14 months after the period required under the Code of Conduct. Gabriella Investments was incorporated in 2010, several years into his governorship, so it wasn't established before he assumed public office. Does this raise questions about his preferred fringe public earnings?
Legally, the concern is about asset declaration and compliance with the Code of Conduct, not proven embezzlement or theft. No court has convicted him, and no corruption charge has been sustained against him. Ethically, however, undisclosed offshore structures and delayed compliance sit uneasily with a public image built on transparency and good governance, even if the underlying funds were lawfully acquired. His wealth itself is not implausible given his business career before politics. And describing him as a billionaire usually relies on converting an estimated dollar net worth into naira rather than placing him among the world's billionaire class.
CrimeRe: Boko Haram Uses ChatGPT And Other AI Tools - Cambridge Report by Explore2xmore: 11:58am On Jul 11
Simply stating you said nothing or blaming AI isn't an argument. If you think the point is wrong, identify the factual error or flaw in the reasoning instead of criticizing the assumed source.

Stephen0mozzy:
In the end, you said.... NOTHING.
shortgun:
The prompt must have been trashy for your AI to generate this much garbage
CrimeRe: Boko Haram Uses ChatGPT And Other AI Tools - Cambridge Report by Explore2xmore: 11:49am On Jul 11
spiSeyi:
Read the bolded again and listen to yourself undecided
You just shot yourself the foot what's modern technology and what's Western education? Where in the Quran is AI mentioned undecided or don't you know that AI , drones even the communication gadeti they use and anything technology is a product of research and development from the byproduct of Western Education. Anyone who is using any form of modern day technology is operating under the context of Western Education
You're conflating technology with the philosophy behind its development. AI, drones, and smartphones are products of scientific research, but using them doesn't mean accepting the entire educational or ideological framework from which they emerged. By that logic, anyone who wears factory-made clothes, uses household appliances, drives a car, or flies in an airplane has adopted Western education as a worldview. Using a product isn't the same as embracing the philosophy of its makers. That's the distinction I am making.
CrimeRe: Boko Haram Uses ChatGPT And Other AI Tools - Cambridge Report by Explore2xmore: 9:51am On Jul 11
Amotolongbo:
Western Education and Knowledge is sacrilegious but they could utilise it to execute their aim and believe.
Why didn’t they use their quran verses and hadiths which they believe in to build AI or execute their plan?

It’s all about politics of stealing people’s land
Boko Haram was never opposed to knowledge itself. Its ideology rejected Nigeria's secular political and educational order, not every useful technology. Like many extremist groups, it pragmatically uses modern tools including AI, encrypted communications, and social media whenever they advance its objectives. Using technology does not imply acceptance of the educational or political philosophy from which it emerged; it reflects a willingness to use any available means to pursue ideological ends.

Boko Haram cannot be adequately explained by any single factor. The movement was driven by a fringe Salafi-jihadist ideology rejected by mainstream Muslim scholars. Conditions in parts of northeastern Nigeria such as poverty, youth unemployment, corruption, weak institutions, and poor governance created opportunities for recruitment, but similar challenges have existed elsewhere in Nigeria without producing an equivalent insurgency. Likewise, ideology alone cannot explain why the movement emerged when and where it did. Its rise resulted from the interaction of extremist ideology, local socio-economic conditions, influential leadership, and the state's response especially the 2009 crackdown which transformed it into a sustained violent insurgency.

PlasmaTV:
I thought boko haram are against education. Why, then, are they using AI?

Bunch of jokers. Death to all terrorists!
spiSeyi:
Western Education is haram in the mud grin grin, another flimsy excuse for the clueless guy in Aso rock and defense ministry grin grin . AI or no AI this guys have a network of highly connected scientists and engineers who works for the Taliban. But the main worry here is how LLM like CHATGPT is been used to police the world. This post should be an eye opener for all shocked
Stephen0mozzy:
Well, isn't that the definition of Hypocrisy?
But then again, can we expect any form of morality from a sect that's morally bankrupt.
shortgun:
They are using Western education knowledge to fight against western education.
Very senseless beings
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 9:44pm On Jun 26
Good you put up many verses. Let's read and review what they say. The biblical passages you have cited are:
Psalm 37:29 — The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it. This establishes the righteous inheriting the earth. It does not mention a second class of saved believers with a separate heavenly destination.

John 14:1–3 — Jesus says he goes to prepare a place and will return to receive his followers.
This speaks about Jesus receiving his followers, but it does not explicitly state that this creates a permanent class of exactly 144,000 who are eternally separate from other believers.

Revelation 14:1 — the 144,000 are shown with the Lamb.
The passage identifies the group, but it does not explicitly say that they alone go to heaven while all other saved believers are permanently excluded.

Revelation 7:9 — an uncountable multitude appears before God.
It identifies a multitude, but it does not state that this group has a separate eternal destination from the 144,000.

Revelation 20:5–6 — speaks of a thousand-year reign.
A thousand-year period is a defined timeframe, not by itself proof of two permanent eternal classes.

Zephaniah 2:2–3 — calls people to seek righteousness and humility.
It gives a moral instruction, not a division of the saved into two eternal categories.

Everything else added around these verses presented as ideas about a specific heavenly class, earthly subjects, false religion, or a complete framework is interpretation and theology built around the texts. It will be most remarkable if you left out the core direct verse or verses.
The question is not whether interpretation exists; it does. The question is whether the verses themselves explicitly state the two-class system being claimed.
You've claimed on this forum to have once been Muslim, and your own words distinguish being born into error from knowingly remaining in it. If that claimed background is real, it should show in argument with substance beyond what anyone could find with a search and so far nothing here has demonstrated that. The requested verse still has not been produced: one clear passage stating that saved believers are permanently divided into two eternal groups with separate destinations.


MaxInDHouse:
When you are born into a false religion it's not your fault the same happened to billions of people across the world but when you discover yet stubbornly stick to it then it's no longer someone's else fault but your's.
The purpose of life is not to live for some time on planet earth and later go to heaven that's the teachings of false traditional religions throughout the world. God never created Adam and Eve in heaven they were created here on earth so earth is their permanent abode rebellion led to their death therefore when God promised to forgive their descendants He added that they will live forever on planet earth which is the place He created for that purpose. Psalms 37:29
The issue that led to all these problems is sovereignty or who's right it is to set standards God or human so God allowed humans to do that for thousands of years to prove that they can't succeed doing so while He is making arrangements for His only begotten Son and those who are trained by His Son to rule for a thousand years {Revelation 20:5-6} then obedient mankind could become perfect under that condition.
Jesus promised his future corulers that he is going to prepare a government house for them in heaven. John 14:1-3
Therefore those going to heaven with Jesus will be numbered {Revelation 14:1} unlike their earthly subjects who can't be counted! Revelation 7:9
Nobody will force this truth on you with weapons it's a free gift for those who are humbly seeking the righteousness of God! Zephaniah 2:2-3
Farewell and may you have peace!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 1:05am On Jun 26
What the verse directly says. That can't be so hard or is it?

MaxInDHouse:
Verses you demand to be written in your own way shey?😂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 1:43pm On Jun 25
Still no verse!
MaxInDHouse:
That is where your answer is!🙂

If you don't know where God purposed for humans to live till eternity then you can't understand why the Bible speaks of two destinations. So first figure out where God created for humans to live we can then progress to what kind of life there is in heaven!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 12:28pm On Jun 25
Terribly poor substitute for a verse. Bring the verse for 2 classes of saved people

MaxInDHouse:
Where did God purpose for humans to live forever?
Heaven or Earth?
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 12:26pm On Jun 25
The Bible verse in support of your 2 class claim of saved people.

MaxInDHouse:
For what?🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 12:17pm On Jun 25
Still waiting

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
Now try to think smart:
Where did God create for humans to live forever?
Heaven or Earth?🙂
Remember your own question about Adam being taken to and sent down from heaven not specifically a statement of mine. Misreading a clarification as a confession doesn't change that. Your Bible's Genesis 2:8-14 places Eden geographically, near the Tigris and Pishon. The Quran places Adam's creation from clay (38:71-72) and his earthly role (2:30) before the Garden account. Both point to earth.
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 2:35pm On Jun 24
Bring your 2 classes of saved people verse first

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you and your prophet got confused!

The Bible mentioned Eden but your man told you they were driven out of heaven.

So the question you and your Quran has failed to answer is:
Where was Eden?
Heaven or earth?🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 12:42pm On Jun 24
All because you make a false two class claim. Continue your delusion though it's now very obvious you know better.
Do you say it isn't in the Bible that Adam and Eve were sent out of Eden as consequence of their actions? Please spin new lies as it's obvious you cannot be detached from that. Maybe you have heresy from your organisation to back that up

MaxInDHouse:
All these still leaves room for different interpretations that's why you earlier said Adam was driven out of HEAVEN!😂
So i need a verse that will EXPLICITLY STATE where Adam and Eve were created that's why most Muslims including you are confused!😂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 2:28am On Jun 24
Surah 38:71–72 addresses Adam’s creation directly with I am going to create a human being from clay. Surah 15:28 and 32:7 make the same point. The text itself identifies Adam’s origin as earthly material, and Surah 2:30 places humanity’s earthly role before the Garden account.
But this still does not answer the main issue being discussed. Adam’s origin is a separate question from whether scripture teaches two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations. Tell us why you keep hiding on this deflection without answering.
Is it untrue you pathetically deflect to Adam’s creation while the actual challenge remains unanswered. Where is the explicit Bible verse without inserted assumptions or added framework that states saved believers are permanently divided into two eternal classes with separate destinations?
If indeed you are honest answer this.
MaxInDHouse:
وَاِ ذْ قَا لَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلٰٓئِكَةِ اِنِّيْ جَا عِلٌ فِى الْاَ رْضِ خَلِيْفَةً ۗ قَا لُوْۤا اَتَجْعَلُ فِيْهَا مَنْ يُّفْسِدُ فِيْهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَآءَ ۚ وَنَحْنُ نُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِكَ وَنُقَدِّسُ لَـكَ ۗ قَا لَ اِنِّيْۤ اَعْلَمُ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُوْنَ
"And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."" Quran 2:30



وَقُلْنَا يٰۤـاٰدَمُ اسْكُنْ اَنْتَ وَزَوْجُكَ الْجَـنَّةَ وَكُلَا مِنْهَا رَغَدًا حَيْثُ شِئْتُمَا ۖ وَلَا تَقْرَبَا هٰذِهِ الشَّجَرَةَ فَتَكُوْنَا مِنَ الظّٰلِمِيْنَ
"And We said, "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in [ease and] abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers." Quran 2:35


Where was Adam and Eve created?

Just quote a verse in your Quran that EXPLICITLY states that Adam was created either in HEAVEN or EARTH.

That's all!😂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 8:32pm On Jun 23
Shamelessly exposing how shallow you are and myopic. The main point remains that interpretation is valid, but it must be identified as interpretation, not presented as the direct wording of the text.
Christians do interpret Scripture through context, comparison, and theological reasoning. However, the New Testament does not establish an authorized explanatory channel in the same structural way the Quran and Islam does through revelation and prophetic explanation.Even 2 Peter 1:20 warns against treating prophecy as a matter of personal interpretation, which makes inserting ideas into Luke 20:34–36 even more difficult to justify.
The Quran explicitly states that we revealed to you the Reminder so that you may explain to mankind what was sent down to them. (Quran 16:44). Within Islamic theology, the Prophet pbuh’s explanations are therefore treated as part of understanding revelation.
The Quran states Adam’s earthly role with
I will place upon the earth a successor.(Quran 2:30). Dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise.(Quran 2:35). And on his descent:
Go down, all of you. (Quran 2:38)
The exact nature and location of the Garden is discussed among scholars, and that discussion is openly recognized as interpretation.
So if a conclusion requires interpretation, label it as interpretation. Don’t present an inferred doctrine as if the verse itself directly states it. The question remains where is the verse without added assumptions that explicitly establishes two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations? Otherwise agree it's your interpretation!

MaxInDHouse:
To expose your hypocrisy!
If you have to explain some verses for someone to understand your Quran instead of the book to give an answer EXPLICITLY then you are deceiving your own soul!🙂
According to the Bible and what you've been trying to explain from your Quran Adam and Eve were created to live in Paradise (Al Jannah) on planet earth so any right thinking, honest hearted and sincere individual supposed to ask:
Where comes the idea of going to heaven?
Something i have explained over and over but you insisted on getting a single verse in the Bible where heavenly life and earthly life will be explained EXPLICITLY!
That is why i keep asking you to quote a verse in your Quran where answers to questions are found written in the same manner!
So stop being hypocritical and face the truth!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 2:48pm On Jun 22
As a diversion from answering your two class claims?

MaxInDHouse:
That is why i asked you to quote where your Quran explicitly stated that earth is the Paradise God put Adam and Eve!😂
If you demand word for word from the Bible what happens to your Quran?🤣
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 12:23pm On Jun 22
Scripture should be judged by what it actually states, not by conclusions imposed on it.
The Old Testament’s main hope is clearly earthly and embodied as Job speaks of restored life, Psalm 37:29 says the righteous inherit the land, Isaiah 65 describes life on a renewed earth, and Daniel 12:2 speaks of resurrection.
That doesn’t mean other passages should be ignored it means they should be read carefully. Genesis 5:24 never says where Enoch was taken. 2 Kings 2:11 says Elijah went up, but doesn’t describe an eternal destination. Psalm 73:24 speaks of being received to glory, but doesn’t define a location. None of these texts explicitly establish a permanent heavenly class. Do you have a contrary or scripture stated explanation?
The same applies to John 14:1–3. It says Jesus prepares a place and returns for his followers, but it doesn’t specify a permanent separation from earth. Revelation 21 completes the picture by showing God’s dwelling coming to humanity on the renewed earth. Will God come to man or raise man to a place worthy of being in his presence?
The question remains simple in earth as the dominant biblical hope is one claim. A separate, permanent heavenly destination for a specific saved class requires explicit proof from the text itself not assumptions built from unclear passages.
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 3:28pm On Jun 21
Throughout this entire discussion, the main claim that scripture explicitly teaches two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations hasn’t been demonstrated. The verses presented (Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28, Psalm 37:29, Luke 20:34–36) describe humanity’s earthly role or resurrection in general. None of them explicitly state two saved classes or two separate eternal destinies.
Adding phrases like heavenly co-rulers or spirit creatures into Luke 20 inserts a framework into the verse rather than showing what the verse itself says.
Whenever the request for an explicit text was repeated, the discussion moved elsewhere instead of producing that verse. The argument may be held as an interpretation, but the direct proof requested still hasn’t been provided.
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 9:51pm On Jun 20
Go acquire more knowledge then we continue

MaxInDHouse:
QUESTION!
Where did God put the first couple?

ANSWER!
Bible: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

QUESTION!
Where will the righteous inherit forever?

ANSWER!
Bible: The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Psalms 37:29

Please quote answers in your book! 😂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 7:30pm On Jun 20
Most definitely so qualified by man who composed and collected it. How well you can see!

MaxInDHouse:
Little books is the meaning of that word and as we all know the Bible contains 66 little books so continue deceiving yourself with lies when your book can't answer any question!🤣
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 6:47pm On Jun 20
Pathetic. What the Bible says or what you say? Funny is that word Bible even in the scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
Next time don't challenge what the Bible says because it's not just a book fabricated by some self acclaimed prophet!🤣
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 2:52pm On Jun 20
Still deflecting? Introducing idolatry too?

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you must bow to the Bible and call it "SCRIPTURES" because its inspired word of the true God but that your book is just man-made up stories that's why you can't quote any answer directly from it.

Meanwhile there still remains no verse in that your book regarding where the first human couple were created your book leaves room for different interpretations that is why you too ended up just like most Muslims saying:



Where was Adam living before he was sent from heaven?🤣
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 8:01pm On Jun 19
Excellent intellectual response in reverse

MaxInDHouse:
So now you want to interpret Bible shey?🤣
Ọmọ go and rest this is not your book!🤣
Why make it that to understand scripture you loose the rational ability?
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 12:53pm On Jun 19
What should be activated is someones intellectual ability for proper comprehension.
Luke 20:34–36 is about resurrection generally showing those in this age marry, but those worthy of resurrection do not die. It doesn’t mention the 144,000, heavenly rulers, or co-rulers. Those ideas come from interpretation, not the words of the passage itself.
The passage’s actual distinction is between those worthy of resurrection and those who are not. John 5:28–29 and Daniel 12:2 also frame the issue as resurrection to life versus judgment; the righteous versus the condemned.
Adding a separate heaven-versus-earth division into Luke 20 goes beyond what the text says. Interpretation is necessary, but it must come from the text and not be inserted into it.
This standard applies in the Bible. If you can produce one verse that clearly establishes two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations the ping-pong here will be unnecessary. That proof is still missing. When you have it respond otherwise keep searching.

MaxInDHouse:
Stop mentioning that useless book ọmọ it's worthless in this case!🙂

Here is what Jesus said @ Luke 20:34-36

“The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, (intelligent creatures in flesh on planet earth do get married) but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things( those who will become corulers with Christ in heaven ) and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection( will be turned into spirit creatures so they won't marry because they don't have fleshy bodies anymore)." Luke 20:34-36

Scriptures needs to be interpreted so you can't expect everything to be written explicitly as you are demanding i know you are now ashamed of that your book because it can't answer any question at all!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 10:00am On Jun 19
Luke 20:34–36 addreses the resurrection and the fact that resurrected people won’t marry or die. It does not mention the 144,000, a heavenly ruling class, or two separate eternal destinations. It answers a question about marriage, not a complete explanation of eternal arrangement.
The Quran’s position on the earth was stated in Surah 21:105. Despite the extras the question remains unanswered where is the explicit Bible verse establishing two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations? Do provide it then we can get into the extras.

MaxInDHouse:
Those going to heaven aren't going there as humans the Bible made it clear that they will be transformed into angels! Luke 20:34-36
Ọmọ no dey compare God's word with that your Quran o!🤣
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 6:52am On Jun 19
Definitely Genesis 1:26 establishes humanity’s role in dominion over the earth and its creatures. That point is not disputed, and the Quran makes a similar statement in Surah 2:30. But having an earthly assignment does not automatically mean humans are eternally limited to earth. A responsibility over a domain is not the same thing as an absolute boundary of existence.
This creates problems in the argument. If Genesis 1:26, Psalms 115:16, and Ecclesiastes 1:4 permanently restrict all humans to earth, then the claim that 144,000 humans go to heaven becomes difficult to reconcile. Those passages cannot function as a universal restriction while also allowing a human group to have a heavenly destination.
Regarding the Quran, the questions raised have been answered with citations. Surah 2:30, 2:35, 2:38, 3:59, 15:26, 21:105, and 54:54–55. The exact location of the Garden even if debated is not ignorance but accuracy.
This same standard must apply equally. Genesis 1:26 does not explicitly teach two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations. That specific proof has still not been provided.

MaxInDHouse:
The above statement is what i'm talking about because all Muslims are confused regarding where Adam was created to stay before he sinned.

So it's either you admit that your Quran couldn't give a definitive answer or you humble yourself and learn.

I have heard that statement thousands of times from Muslims so quoting your Quran without stating where Adam was created explicitly shows you people have nothing to learn in that your book.

This is what the Bible says about Adam:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth." Genesis 1:26

Can you see how clear the Bible answered the question?

That is God's word not some copy and paste book from an impostor who does not know where Paradise was in the beginning.

The main reason i keep tormenting you is because your Quran can't answer where Paradise will be whether heaven or earth but the Bible made it clear that it was the perfect state where God put Adam that all righteous people will inherit again {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} so only Christ corulers will be taken to heaven not all righteous people! John 14:1-3🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 2:28pm On Jun 17
Gen 1:26 doesn’t actually establish a heaven/earth split for humanity, it only describes mankind’s role and authority over the earth. Surah 2:30 makes a similar point, so the overlap is conceptual, not contradictory. Likewise, Genesis says nothing about the Garden’s exact location before the fall. Reading that detail into the text goes beyond what’s written.
Psalms 37:29 supports the idea of the righteous inheriting the earth, but it still doesn’t prove two permanent classes of saved people with separate eternal destinies. That explicit teaching is still not directly shown in the passages cited.
And shifting from textual discussion to personal criticism doesn’t answer the actual point being raised the texts themselves still need to carry the argument. Grow up to that reality.
MaxInDHouse:
The above statement is what i'm talking about because all Muslims are confused regarding where Adam was created to stay before he sinned.

So it's either you admit that your Quran couldn't give a definitive answer or you humble yourself and learn.

I have heard that statement thousands of times from Muslims so quoting your Quran without stating where Adam was created explicitly shows you people have nothing to learn in that your book.

This is what the Bible says about Adam:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth." Genesis 1:26

Can you see how clear the Bible answered the question?

That is God's word not some copy and paste book from an impostor who does not know where Paradise was in the beginning.

The main reason i keep tormenting you is because your Quran can't answer where Paradise will be whether heaven or earth but the Bible made it clear that it was the perfect state where God put Adam that all righteous people will inherit again {Psalms 37:9-11, 29} so only Christ corulers will be taken to heaven not all righteous people! John 14:1-3🙂
MaxInDHouse:
Just quote one out that EXPLICITLY says "EARTH" because that is exactly what is confusing all Muslims till today!🤣

None of your leaders can answer where the righteous will live after God has destroy all evildoers because that word "PARADISE" your prophet doesn't know its real meaning!😂
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 1:40pm On Jun 17
MaxInDHouse:
Over to you jàre Mr Explore2xmore.

If your Quran says Adam was created from the dust of the earth and God put him in a garden on planet earth:



When was he taken to heaven so that God later send him out of heaven to planet earth again?🙂



How i wish to stay away from engaging Muslims in such discussions because i know your Quran has no answer to all these questions but when you decides to question God's word you people give room for intimidating your prophet, god, book and religion!😟
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i know Islam before you were born so i can tell you categorically that both Allah, Muhammad and your Quran can't answer any question straightforward.

I'm not saying your Quran can't copy and paste few things from the Bible what i'm telling you is that your Quran can't answer any question EXPLICITLY as you are demanding from the Bible.

So answer the simple question.

You said your Allah drove Adam down away from heaven.

So when was Adam taken to heaven before he was sent down again?
After all you are now saying Adam was created on planet earth.🙂
The Quran has answered these points directly, with references already provided. A person familiar with Islamic theology would know the Quran doesn’t say Adam was taken from earth to heaven and then returned. It says he was placed in a Garden and later told to descend. Claiming that the Garden must have been in heaven is an assumption, not a statement from the text itself. Even classical scholars debated this issue.
Likewise, saying the Quran copied the Bible oversimplifies the matter. Both scriptures exist within a shared Abrahamic tradition, but that’s not the same as one being a copy of the other.
The relevant verses have been cited: 2:30, 2:35, 2:38, 3:59, 15:26, 21:105, and 54:54–55. The answers are there. Rejecting them without addressing them isn’t a counterargument. And the standard should be consistent: the Bible also has not produced a clear verse proving two permanent groups of saved believers with different eternal outcomes. That question remains unanswered. When you can answer we will see clearly.
Advice you get off your haughtiness and imagination. This is an online platform with higher chances of me living longer on earth than you besides age not being a measure of knowledge.
Christianity EtcRe: Revisiting The Scripture For Better Understanding by Explore2xmore(op): 12:21pm On Jun 16
In time all or most scripture will be reviewed.

I answered your previous questions but you refuse to accept these and consider them unanswered.

Indeed, We created man from a clay of altered black mud.Qur’an 15:26

He created him from dust; then He said to him: ‘Be,’ and he was. Qur’an 3:59

Ibn Kathir explains in his tafsir of these verses that Adam’s creation began from dust/earth (turab), which Allah made into clay.

The Prophet pbuh also said Allah created Adam from a handful which He took from all of the earth…
Sunan Abi Dawud, Hadith 4693

Adam was created by Allah and was later commanded to dwell in Paradise. (Qur’an 2:35; Tafsir Ibn Kathir)

O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise…

MaxInDHouse:
At least you agree with all the religions claiming Christians as they are saying Jesus is the God they are worshiping.

And most of them claims God is three in one!🤣

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