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RUWACH:Perhaps for an investigative security record a completely non-invasive postmortem examinations could be done. This preserves the body and includes tests such as an external examination, CT and MRI scans, X-rays, ultrasound, photography, and 3D imaging. Together, these methods form a virtual autopsy (virtopsy), which can identify many injuries and diseases without dissection. Needle biopsies and fluid sampling are considered minimally invasive. |
Mrexcell:Those projects were built when Lagos was the nation's capital and were funded from the federal purse as national assets, not from state allocations. That historical context is important. At the same time, recent fiscal trends and federal investment patterns show Lagos continues to receive significant attention. The aviation minister has also stated that revenue from airports like Lagos, Abuja, and Kano supports smaller airports, reflecting a deliberate policy that channels major investment toward high-traffic hubs. |
Mrexcell:Even if at just 13% derivation the question to ask is how the benefitting states have utilised these specific earnings. Lagos state is one of the least dependent on federal allocations as its funds itself overwhelmingly from IGR being a commercial hub. Really though how does Margaret Obi dancing at an event tramslate to political news. Is this a political event or random other social gathering. |
It is wrong to treat apostasy, hypocrisy, and wartime treachery as the same. They are distinct categories. Qur'an 9:73–74 addresses hostile hypocrites plotting against the Muslim community, not everyone who leaves Islam. Qur'an 4:89 must be read with 4:90, which exempts those who withdraw and seek peace, showing the context is armed hostility. Qur'an 88:21–24 states that the Prophet is only a warner, while Allah administers the ultimate punishment. The hadith is where the legal debate begins as it has been understood in the context of apostasy coupled with rebellion and political betrayal, not merely a private change of belief. |
Whatever the case it is good for the victims and the country that they are now free from ransom detention. Then the unassociated divergence to PO isn't whether Peter Obi is a Forbes billionaire or whether the Pandora Papers proved theft; they didn't. The questions are about disclosure and public office. Obi became governor in March 2006 but resigned his UK company directorship only in May 2008, around 14 months after the period required under the Code of Conduct. Gabriella Investments was incorporated in 2010, several years into his governorship, so it wasn't established before he assumed public office. Does this raise questions about his preferred fringe public earnings? Legally, the concern is about asset declaration and compliance with the Code of Conduct, not proven embezzlement or theft. No court has convicted him, and no corruption charge has been sustained against him. Ethically, however, undisclosed offshore structures and delayed compliance sit uneasily with a public image built on transparency and good governance, even if the underlying funds were lawfully acquired. His wealth itself is not implausible given his business career before politics. And describing him as a billionaire usually relies on converting an estimated dollar net worth into naira rather than placing him among the world's billionaire class. |
Simply stating you said nothing or blaming AI isn't an argument. If you think the point is wrong, identify the factual error or flaw in the reasoning instead of criticizing the assumed source. Stephen0mozzy: shortgun: |
spiSeyi:You're conflating technology with the philosophy behind its development. AI, drones, and smartphones are products of scientific research, but using them doesn't mean accepting the entire educational or ideological framework from which they emerged. By that logic, anyone who wears factory-made clothes, uses household appliances, drives a car, or flies in an airplane has adopted Western education as a worldview. Using a product isn't the same as embracing the philosophy of its makers. That's the distinction I am making. |
Amotolongbo:Boko Haram was never opposed to knowledge itself. Its ideology rejected Nigeria's secular political and educational order, not every useful technology. Like many extremist groups, it pragmatically uses modern tools including AI, encrypted communications, and social media whenever they advance its objectives. Using technology does not imply acceptance of the educational or political philosophy from which it emerged; it reflects a willingness to use any available means to pursue ideological ends. Boko Haram cannot be adequately explained by any single factor. The movement was driven by a fringe Salafi-jihadist ideology rejected by mainstream Muslim scholars. Conditions in parts of northeastern Nigeria such as poverty, youth unemployment, corruption, weak institutions, and poor governance created opportunities for recruitment, but similar challenges have existed elsewhere in Nigeria without producing an equivalent insurgency. Likewise, ideology alone cannot explain why the movement emerged when and where it did. Its rise resulted from the interaction of extremist ideology, local socio-economic conditions, influential leadership, and the state's response especially the 2009 crackdown which transformed it into a sustained violent insurgency. PlasmaTV: spiSeyi: Stephen0mozzy: shortgun: |
Good you put up many verses. Let's read and review what they say. The biblical passages you have cited are: Psalm 37:29 — The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it. This establishes the righteous inheriting the earth. It does not mention a second class of saved believers with a separate heavenly destination. John 14:1–3 — Jesus says he goes to prepare a place and will return to receive his followers. This speaks about Jesus receiving his followers, but it does not explicitly state that this creates a permanent class of exactly 144,000 who are eternally separate from other believers. Revelation 14:1 — the 144,000 are shown with the Lamb. The passage identifies the group, but it does not explicitly say that they alone go to heaven while all other saved believers are permanently excluded. Revelation 7:9 — an uncountable multitude appears before God. It identifies a multitude, but it does not state that this group has a separate eternal destination from the 144,000. Revelation 20:5–6 — speaks of a thousand-year reign. A thousand-year period is a defined timeframe, not by itself proof of two permanent eternal classes. Zephaniah 2:2–3 — calls people to seek righteousness and humility. It gives a moral instruction, not a division of the saved into two eternal categories. Everything else added around these verses presented as ideas about a specific heavenly class, earthly subjects, false religion, or a complete framework is interpretation and theology built around the texts. It will be most remarkable if you left out the core direct verse or verses. The question is not whether interpretation exists; it does. The question is whether the verses themselves explicitly state the two-class system being claimed. You've claimed on this forum to have once been Muslim, and your own words distinguish being born into error from knowingly remaining in it. If that claimed background is real, it should show in argument with substance beyond what anyone could find with a search and so far nothing here has demonstrated that. The requested verse still has not been produced: one clear passage stating that saved believers are permanently divided into two eternal groups with separate destinations. MaxInDHouse: |
What the verse directly says. That can't be so hard or is it? MaxInDHouse: |
Still no verse! MaxInDHouse: |
Terribly poor substitute for a verse. Bring the verse for 2 classes of saved people MaxInDHouse: |
Still waiting MaxInDHouse:Remember your own question about Adam being taken to and sent down from heaven not specifically a statement of mine. Misreading a clarification as a confession doesn't change that. Your Bible's Genesis 2:8-14 places Eden geographically, near the Tigris and Pishon. The Quran places Adam's creation from clay (38:71-72) and his earthly role (2:30) before the Garden account. Both point to earth. |
Bring your 2 classes of saved people verse first MaxInDHouse: |
All because you make a false two class claim. Continue your delusion though it's now very obvious you know better. Do you say it isn't in the Bible that Adam and Eve were sent out of Eden as consequence of their actions? Please spin new lies as it's obvious you cannot be detached from that. Maybe you have heresy from your organisation to back that up MaxInDHouse: |
Surah 38:71–72 addresses Adam’s creation directly with I am going to create a human being from clay. Surah 15:28 and 32:7 make the same point. The text itself identifies Adam’s origin as earthly material, and Surah 2:30 places humanity’s earthly role before the Garden account. But this still does not answer the main issue being discussed. Adam’s origin is a separate question from whether scripture teaches two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations. Tell us why you keep hiding on this deflection without answering. Is it untrue you pathetically deflect to Adam’s creation while the actual challenge remains unanswered. Where is the explicit Bible verse without inserted assumptions or added framework that states saved believers are permanently divided into two eternal classes with separate destinations? If indeed you are honest answer this. MaxInDHouse: |
Shamelessly exposing how shallow you are and myopic. The main point remains that interpretation is valid, but it must be identified as interpretation, not presented as the direct wording of the text. Christians do interpret Scripture through context, comparison, and theological reasoning. However, the New Testament does not establish an authorized explanatory channel in the same structural way the Quran and Islam does through revelation and prophetic explanation.Even 2 Peter 1:20 warns against treating prophecy as a matter of personal interpretation, which makes inserting ideas into Luke 20:34–36 even more difficult to justify. The Quran explicitly states that we revealed to you the Reminder so that you may explain to mankind what was sent down to them. (Quran 16:44). Within Islamic theology, the Prophet pbuh’s explanations are therefore treated as part of understanding revelation. The Quran states Adam’s earthly role with I will place upon the earth a successor.(Quran 2:30). Dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise.(Quran 2:35). And on his descent: Go down, all of you. (Quran 2:38) The exact nature and location of the Garden is discussed among scholars, and that discussion is openly recognized as interpretation. So if a conclusion requires interpretation, label it as interpretation. Don’t present an inferred doctrine as if the verse itself directly states it. The question remains where is the verse without added assumptions that explicitly establishes two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations? Otherwise agree it's your interpretation! MaxInDHouse: |
As a diversion from answering your two class claims? MaxInDHouse: |
Scripture should be judged by what it actually states, not by conclusions imposed on it. The Old Testament’s main hope is clearly earthly and embodied as Job speaks of restored life, Psalm 37:29 says the righteous inherit the land, Isaiah 65 describes life on a renewed earth, and Daniel 12:2 speaks of resurrection. That doesn’t mean other passages should be ignored it means they should be read carefully. Genesis 5:24 never says where Enoch was taken. 2 Kings 2:11 says Elijah went up, but doesn’t describe an eternal destination. Psalm 73:24 speaks of being received to glory, but doesn’t define a location. None of these texts explicitly establish a permanent heavenly class. Do you have a contrary or scripture stated explanation? The same applies to John 14:1–3. It says Jesus prepares a place and returns for his followers, but it doesn’t specify a permanent separation from earth. Revelation 21 completes the picture by showing God’s dwelling coming to humanity on the renewed earth. Will God come to man or raise man to a place worthy of being in his presence? The question remains simple in earth as the dominant biblical hope is one claim. A separate, permanent heavenly destination for a specific saved class requires explicit proof from the text itself not assumptions built from unclear passages. |
Throughout this entire discussion, the main claim that scripture explicitly teaches two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations hasn’t been demonstrated. The verses presented (Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28, Psalm 37:29, Luke 20:34–36) describe humanity’s earthly role or resurrection in general. None of them explicitly state two saved classes or two separate eternal destinies. Adding phrases like heavenly co-rulers or spirit creatures into Luke 20 inserts a framework into the verse rather than showing what the verse itself says. Whenever the request for an explicit text was repeated, the discussion moved elsewhere instead of producing that verse. The argument may be held as an interpretation, but the direct proof requested still hasn’t been provided. |
Go acquire more knowledge then we continue MaxInDHouse: |
Most definitely so qualified by man who composed and collected it. How well you can see! MaxInDHouse: |
Pathetic. What the Bible says or what you say? Funny is that word Bible even in the scripture? MaxInDHouse: |
Still deflecting? Introducing idolatry too? MaxInDHouse: |
Excellent intellectual response in reverse MaxInDHouse:Why make it that to understand scripture you loose the rational ability? |
What should be activated is someones intellectual ability for proper comprehension. Luke 20:34–36 is about resurrection generally showing those in this age marry, but those worthy of resurrection do not die. It doesn’t mention the 144,000, heavenly rulers, or co-rulers. Those ideas come from interpretation, not the words of the passage itself. The passage’s actual distinction is between those worthy of resurrection and those who are not. John 5:28–29 and Daniel 12:2 also frame the issue as resurrection to life versus judgment; the righteous versus the condemned. Adding a separate heaven-versus-earth division into Luke 20 goes beyond what the text says. Interpretation is necessary, but it must come from the text and not be inserted into it. This standard applies in the Bible. If you can produce one verse that clearly establishes two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations the ping-pong here will be unnecessary. That proof is still missing. When you have it respond otherwise keep searching. MaxInDHouse: |
Luke 20:34–36 addreses the resurrection and the fact that resurrected people won’t marry or die. It does not mention the 144,000, a heavenly ruling class, or two separate eternal destinations. It answers a question about marriage, not a complete explanation of eternal arrangement. The Quran’s position on the earth was stated in Surah 21:105. Despite the extras the question remains unanswered where is the explicit Bible verse establishing two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations? Do provide it then we can get into the extras. MaxInDHouse: |
Definitely Genesis 1:26 establishes humanity’s role in dominion over the earth and its creatures. That point is not disputed, and the Quran makes a similar statement in Surah 2:30. But having an earthly assignment does not automatically mean humans are eternally limited to earth. A responsibility over a domain is not the same thing as an absolute boundary of existence. This creates problems in the argument. If Genesis 1:26, Psalms 115:16, and Ecclesiastes 1:4 permanently restrict all humans to earth, then the claim that 144,000 humans go to heaven becomes difficult to reconcile. Those passages cannot function as a universal restriction while also allowing a human group to have a heavenly destination. Regarding the Quran, the questions raised have been answered with citations. Surah 2:30, 2:35, 2:38, 3:59, 15:26, 21:105, and 54:54–55. The exact location of the Garden even if debated is not ignorance but accuracy. This same standard must apply equally. Genesis 1:26 does not explicitly teach two permanent classes of saved believers with separate eternal destinations. That specific proof has still not been provided. MaxInDHouse: |
Gen 1:26 doesn’t actually establish a heaven/earth split for humanity, it only describes mankind’s role and authority over the earth. Surah 2:30 makes a similar point, so the overlap is conceptual, not contradictory. Likewise, Genesis says nothing about the Garden’s exact location before the fall. Reading that detail into the text goes beyond what’s written. Psalms 37:29 supports the idea of the righteous inheriting the earth, but it still doesn’t prove two permanent classes of saved people with separate eternal destinies. That explicit teaching is still not directly shown in the passages cited. And shifting from textual discussion to personal criticism doesn’t answer the actual point being raised the texts themselves still need to carry the argument. Grow up to that reality. MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse: |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse:The Quran has answered these points directly, with references already provided. A person familiar with Islamic theology would know the Quran doesn’t say Adam was taken from earth to heaven and then returned. It says he was placed in a Garden and later told to descend. Claiming that the Garden must have been in heaven is an assumption, not a statement from the text itself. Even classical scholars debated this issue. Likewise, saying the Quran copied the Bible oversimplifies the matter. Both scriptures exist within a shared Abrahamic tradition, but that’s not the same as one being a copy of the other. The relevant verses have been cited: 2:30, 2:35, 2:38, 3:59, 15:26, 21:105, and 54:54–55. The answers are there. Rejecting them without addressing them isn’t a counterargument. And the standard should be consistent: the Bible also has not produced a clear verse proving two permanent groups of saved believers with different eternal outcomes. That question remains unanswered. When you can answer we will see clearly. Advice you get off your haughtiness and imagination. This is an online platform with higher chances of me living longer on earth than you besides age not being a measure of knowledge. |
In time all or most scripture will be reviewed. I answered your previous questions but you refuse to accept these and consider them unanswered. Indeed, We created man from a clay of altered black mud.Qur’an 15:26 He created him from dust; then He said to him: ‘Be,’ and he was. Qur’an 3:59 Ibn Kathir explains in his tafsir of these verses that Adam’s creation began from dust/earth (turab), which Allah made into clay. The Prophet pbuh also said Allah created Adam from a handful which He took from all of the earth… Sunan Abi Dawud, Hadith 4693 Adam was created by Allah and was later commanded to dwell in Paradise. (Qur’an 2:35; Tafsir Ibn Kathir) O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise… MaxInDHouse: |
