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PROVERBZ:
Notice how u have reduced the title messiah, to mean everybody that was supposedly anointed by God because it did not fit the messiah in Islam.

Now I will ask u this question, why is this specifically used for isah in the quran. Why wasn't Mohamed also given this title?

Know your faith properly first. See image


Are there verses I have quoted for you false? Perhaps you should read them in Hebrew

PROVERBZ:
The messiah concept in Islam is also another Dilema for Islam. Messiah means anointed one and was used to refer to a savior. The jews were waiting for a miilitary savior to save them from the Roman's and the Christians expected him to make atonement for their transgressions there by granting salvation and saving them from the fires of hell. Now, my question is, what is Isah anointed to save in Islam? From the account of Islam, he was the most useless prophet ever. His message got missing, didn't do nothing etc.
Why is he the messiah?

Why all this dilemmas??

You will need to first tackle this problem you claim from the Bible.

Are there people other than Jesus referred to messiah (anointed) in your Bible?

The term Messiah comes from the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means anointed one isn't it?

1 Samuel 24:6 (referring to King Saul)
He said to his men, 'The Lord forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord’s anointed, or lay my hand on him; for he is the anointed of the Lord.

2 2 Samuel 23:1 (referring to King David)
These are the last words of David: 'The inspired utterance of David son of Jesse, the utterance of the man exalted by the Most High, the man anointed by the God of Jacob.

3 Isaiah 45:1
This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut.

4 1 Kings 19:16 (Elisha)
Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet.


In the Old Testament, the term messiah is not limited to a future savior. It serves as a title for anyone chosen by God for a specific divine purpose, including kings, priests, and leaders.

Now did Jesus not have a specific purpose for Israel?


Islam regards Isa (Jesus) as a significant prophet and messenger, divinely supported and known as Al-Masih (the Messiah). However, it does not accept the ideas of his divinity, atonement, or a mission to create a spiritual kingdom as understood in Christianity. The Islamic perspective highlights Isa’s role in reinforcing monotheism and preparing for the final revelation delivered by Prophet Muhammad pbuh

advocatejare:
Are you aware that Muhammad snorted like a camel when he was receiving his so called revelation in a difficult and disturbing manner?

Your spiritual and psychological barriers people create when rejecting the truth, indicating their unwillingness to understand or accept divine guidance.

I wish you deliverance and the best going forward

advocatejare:
Are you aware that Muhammad confessed that jinn/demon lived inside him?

I wonder if it has a pleasing effect on your neurons repeatedly making false and baseless claims to draw worthless engagement?

advocatejare:
I know a lunatic demon-possessed false prophet recommended it to his foolish followers as a form of treatment.

Same characteristic factless slander.

advocatejare:
Go and ask AntiChristian that foolish question cos the two of you are Muslims who are antagonizing each other on camel urine as a medicine

So you are essentially blabbing about what you no very little about?

advocatejare:
Are you saying that Muslims don’t drink camel urine to follow the recommendation Muhammad gave to some people in the Hadith?

AntiChristian just posted an article which states that Muhammad recommended camel urine to his companions who were suffering from abdominal pain but you want to come and do Taqiyya here

“The religious aspect of using camel urine in treatment comes from the fact that there has been convincing evidence that the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) suggested the use of camel urine to treat his companions who were suffering from abdominal pains at that time.”

First you all say Taqqiya and more likely don't understand the meaning.

Then in what context was the urine recommended? Was this a general recommendation?

advocatejare:
can you tell us why Muslims are drinking camel urine and calling it prophetic medicine?

I don't drink camel urine and know no Muslims that do. You make the allegation against the generality of Muslims and cannot substantiate your claim.

advocatejare:
W.H.O. has come out to say that drinking camel urine is harmful to humans yet you choose to continue to belief the lies of an illiterate, demon-possessed lunatic who lived more than 1400 years ago. May God cure you of stupidity:

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/06/10/stop-drinking-camel-urine-world-health-organization-says

Regardless of the topic of this thread can you tell if there's a general recommendation for or instruction to Muslims to drink camel urine?

AntiisIam:
Ahahahaha so all these questions hard for Muhammad and allah to answer through you? Aswear you're a big disgrace to humanity and Islam at large

When the one that asks plays too dumb to understand I recall your Proverbs 26 and make better use of my time.

AntiisIam:
Islam has ruined and destroyed your life beyond repair. Next time, bring your chief imam along whenever you want to have discussions with Antiislam

You're too cheap for me to handle. MASS ALARM

It will make no difference to your expensive deaf and dumb spirit

AntiisIam:
In your previous response you said in pre-islamic period, most of the pagans arab worshiped other gods and idols along with allah which means that allah was recognized as an idol before Muhammad brought Islam.

The question before you is that why is this same allah that was recognized as an idol in pre-islamic era your supreme deity forced on you by the founder of islam?




Let's see who the spirit of deaf and dumb is disturbing his life.

These are the questions you're running away for, if the spirit of deaf and dumb is not disturbing your life, answer all the questions



Let's behold who is deaf and dumb between you and I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwQHJxew2E?si=7dS4lzyt_EvaZDZ4

AntiisIam:
Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol that was written in Isaiah 44:9?

Muhammad inherited an idol from his idolaters father, Abdullahi and made it your Islamic supreme deity. You're speaking up for allah Muhammad forced on you not knowing that your pedophile messenger has blindfolded you with lies, you're ignorant to your own shame as you couldn't defend why allah was named after an idol in pre-islamic period

Allah is the one, supreme, and all-encompassing deity, different from any idol or tribal god. Even in pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was recognized as the "God above gods" and recognized as the Creator. However, the pure monotheism introduced by Islam represented a significant change from the pre-Islamic practices, where people would associate partners with Allah by worshiping idols and lesser deities.

May Jesus deliver you from the deaf and dumb spirit that bewitches you

Mark 9:25
And when Jesus saw that a multitude came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I command thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him

Allah is sufficient for me and all my trust is in him.

AntiisIam:
Is using question to answer question the only thing you learnt from your late messenger right?

I asked many questions none of them you answered. Muhammad must be ashamed of you in grave

You attempt a claim to be better do answer or the spec in your own eye cannot be removed?

You are obviously trying to avoid exposure that you lie when you claim not to understand.

I don't know you personally talk less of the Sunday school you claim to teach in so will very less likely come across your Sunday school student who hopefully won't say his Sunday school teacher using the pseudonym on nairaland comfortably lies.

AntiisIam:
My student at Sunday School Children unit will explain Isaiah 44:9 for you but before then, why not answer my question

Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol?

Explain what I ask you about Isaiah first. It is very relevant to our early discussion.

AntiisIam:
This was what I asked



Here is your response



How does your response solve the questions I asked?

Do you understand?
Isaiah 44
9: All who make idols are nothing,and the things they treasure are worthless.Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame.


10 Who shapes a god and casts an idol, which can profit nothing?

Explain it to me if you do. Then you will understand.

I think your problem is where the message comes from .

AntiisIam:
This was what I asked



Here is your response



How does your response solve the questions I asked?

Read and think to understand. You are supposed to be a higher animal with intelligence and intellect

AntiisIam:
So Hinduism you saw therein was posted there right?

You are a disgrace to your fellow slaves

Didn't you just post your comment above?
Who stopped you?

Pathetic reasoning.
Indeed you have been a miserable waste of time.

If and when you are able to provide irrefutable and verifiable proof to your mad rants we may relate again. Until then get a good learning.

Explore2xmore:
Do you not know Wikipedia is open source and any body can post anything? Who verifies or validates what is written.

Simple find where Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols states Hinduism existed in pre-islamic Arabia and stop this delusional diarrhea.

Maybe you should search your Wikipedia for Hinduism in pre-islamic Arabia as I find you unable to do though research or search on your own.

AntiisIam:
I understand your run away tactic. Mind you, it won't work here


Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol?

Let me st seeart with you from there

See yourself?

Simple provision of proof you can not provide

AntiisIam:
Hope you see the picture attached or allah has blindfolded you again?

Do you not know Wikipedia is open source and any body can post anything? Who verifies or validates what is written.

Simple find where Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols states Hinduism existed in pre-islamic Arabia and stop this delusional diarrhea.

Maybe you should search your Wikipedia for Hinduism in pre-islamic Arabia as I find you unable to do though research or search on your own.

AntiisIam:
This boy sha, is like you're new here on NL. You don't know Antiislam aswear

As you claim to be a non lazy reader despite your propensity to misrepresent the truth, show in clear terms from the books you alleged due to poor Wikipedia representation convincing refutation to:

Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols mainly examines the polytheistic beliefs that were common in Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. Although it references several deities that the Arabs worshipped during that period, it does not offer direct evidence or mention Hinduism as a separate religion that was practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia.

The Encyclopedia of Indian Religions offers detailed insights into various Indian religions, including their historical backgrounds and influences that extend beyond India. It explores the interactions between Indian religions and neighboring cultures but does not provide conclusive evidence that Hinduism was practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia.

AntiisIam:
This boy sha, is like you're new here on NL. You don't know Antiislam aswear

You definitely need to go back to school. Tell if you wouldn't lie how (You called those arab pagans "venerate" beings) equates to the sentence (those who venerate beings or objects apart from Allah)? Where in the latter bracket are Arab pagans referred to as venerate beings?















You confused yourself with your response as there appears to be serious mix ups in your comprehension of English.

AntiisIam:
I should show you what you wrote, you know what? Scroll up and read all your comments from the beginning. You'll surely see it there

Present the proof or it's another case of your fabrication as I found you out in relation to what you alleged of Asad by deliberately omitting the condition of the previous verse?

State the proofs from Wikipedia you present let's validate.

AntiisIam:
You called those arab pagans "venerate" beings.. It seems you're just typing without going through what you typed


According to the Book of Idols by the medieval Arab scholar Hisham ibn al-Kalbi, Hinduism was present in pre-Islamic Arabia. Ibn Al-Kalbi explains the origins of idol worshipping and the practice of circumambulation as rooted in India and Hinduism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_the_Middle_East#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Book%20of,rooted%20in%20India%20and%20Hinduism.

Can you directly show me proof of what you claim I wrote in your first paragraph?


Hisham ibn al-Kalbi did not provide concrete archaeological evidence that directly connects Hindu practices to pre-Islamic Arabian societies. Much of the available evidence is circumstantial or interpretative, rather than conclusive. Do well to prove otherwise.


While there were indeed interactions between Arabian tribes and Indian cultures through trade routes, there is insufficient concrete evidence to support the notion that Hinduism was an organized religion in pre-Islamic (pre Prophet Muhammad pbuh) Arabia. The archaeological record does not back this claim, and early literary sources do not clearly indicate the presence of Hindu religious practices in the region prior to the rise of Islam.

AntiisIam:
It is now manner of approach

I understand your run away tactic but you will finish this one you started





It is what you said I'm asking questions on. You said this in quote "most of the idol-worshiping pagan Arabs were polytheists who worshiped other gods and idols alongside Allah"

That statement means your Islamic deity allah was known among the idolaters before Muhammad brought Islam and forced allah on your as your supreme deity

The question is are you slaves (Muslims) different from venerate hindu pagan worshippers that worshipped allah in pre-islamic period?





They are idolaters, the pagan arabs that worshipped allah in pre-islamic period




YES, they are Arabians, living and doing there businesses before Muhammad brought Islam

You have failed to clearly identify who Hindu pagans are and do not identify who venerates them perhaps you do.

There isn't any concrete evidence that proves the existence of adherents of people practicing Hinduism in pre-Islamic Arabia.

Islam is strictly monotheistic, emphasizing the oneness of God (Allah).

Hinduism has a more diverse understanding of the divine. Most Hindus believe in a single supreme reality identified as Brahman that is expressed through various deities, such as Vishnu, Shiva, and Devi. Others see these deities as representations or aspects of the same ultimate reality. This is clearly different from Islam and the relationship between believers (Muslims) and Allah.

Islam primarily relies on the Quran while Hindu from my finding rely on Vedas; Rigveda, Samaveda, Yajurveda, and Atharvaveda.

Islam believes in a many prophets sent by Allah to guide humanity, starting with Adam and ending with Muhammad while Hinduism does not have prophets in the same sense. Hindu has avatars or incarnations of deities, particularly the god Vishnu, who is believed to incarnate periodically to restore cosmic order. This clearly at variance with Islam.

Islam believes in an afterlife, final judgement, paradise and he'll while Hinduism believes in reincarnation, where the soul is reborn into different bodies based on karma of individual’s actions and dharma in righteous duty. The cycle of birth, death, and rebirth continues until one attains liberation from the cycle of rebirth.

In Islam, salvation is achieved through belief in Allah, doing righteous deeds, repentance, and following the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah.
Hinduism in contrast offers multiple paths to liberation, including devotion to a deity, karma (good actions), jnana (knowledge), and yoga (spiritual practice). Liberation is the release from the cycle of reincarnation and union with the divine.

Islam strictly prohibits idolatry and image worship, considering it a form of associating others with Allah. Hinduism in difference often involves the worship of deities represented through statues, images, and icons. These representations are considered ways to focus devotion on particular aspects of the divine, rather than the divine itself.

There definitely are others but you can read to know more on your on. Essentially though Islam and Hinduism teach principles of morality, compassion, and devotion, they differ fundamentally in their views on God, salvation, worship, and religious practice.

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AntiisIam:
So by calling your attention to the questions you're trying to avoid means been rude bah?


The bolded below are the questions before you

Obviously you see nothing wrong in your manner of approach. It must be with your mindset and since we are not mandated to interact do keep to yourself.

In any case though I am within my rights not to reply it is stated that venerate Hindu pagan worshippers that worshipped Allah in pre-islamic period is not clear in your statement.

Who are Hindu pagan worshippers?
Are the above greatly respected or reverted and by who?
Were they living in Arabia at the time you refer to?

AntiisIam:
Look away tactic, is it haram for you to answer question?

Are you slaves different from venerate hindu pagan worshippers that worshipped allah in pre-islamic period?


Where did allah told you that he has mouth to speak?

Who does allah speaks directly to in your quran?

You are rather rude in your address and your statement venerate Hindu pagan worshippers lacks clarity.

You asked who was being addressed in a particular verse and this has been explained to you perhaps you should clearly show the verses you are interested in as Allah has addressed different people on different subjects in different verses.

AntiisIam:
So those venerate pagan beings worship idols along with allah the supreme idol in pre-islamic period right?

Are you allah's slaves different from hindu worshippers?



Where did allah told you that he has mouth to speak?

Clearly you see that the polytheists and pagans are being referred to.

I won't pretend to know about Hindu worshippers and ponder why this should be of relevance to me. I only have cordial respectful relations with the Indians I relate with. I don't concern myself with their religious beliefs. It is their prerogative and they have never harmed me or my interests.

Perhaps you should ask how God in the Bible speaks first?

AntiisIam:
Who are they is the question, is this difficult for you to answer

They are those who venerate beings or objects apart from Allah.The polytheists.

Allah speaks to those who worship beings or things alongside Him, things that hold no power to bring benefit or harm. The verse points out their assertion that these entities serve as "intercessors with God." Allah then commands the Prophet to confront them, asking, "Do you believe you can inform God of anything in the heavens or on earth that He is unaware of?" This question highlights Allah's omniscience and supreme transcendence, dismissing the notion of intercessors or partners with Him. The verse reinforces Allah's elevated status, far beyond the associations made by those who worship others alongside Him.

AntiisIam:
Don't look away, attempt the question


Who are those worshipping idols to get closer to allah in pre-islamic period and why is your Islamic supreme deity named after an idol?

Glad you know your questions are not worthy of answers as they are very much unfounded.

I oblige you this answer.

This verse 10:18 addresses those who venerate beings or objects apart from Allah, thinking that these entities can act as intermediaries with Him. It challenges this belief by pointing out that these intercessors lack the power to either harm or benefit anyone, and it questions whether these individuals can reveal anything to Allah that He is unaware of.

AntiisIam:
We are getting there


Hubal (Arabic: هُبَل‎) was a god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably by Quraysh at the Kaaba in Mecca. Muhammad's Allah is actually Hubal, i.e. the Baal of the Moabites.

The daughters of Hubal i.e. Allat, al-ʿUzza and Manat, the three female goddess of pre-Islamic Arabia, are mentioned in the Qur'an.

Quran 53:19-20

Do you -Meccans- see the idols Al Lat and Al 'Uzza you honour and revere and regard with extreme respect and devotion

and another idol (Manat of the pagan Arabs), the other 3rd (as the daughters of Allah)

Hubal was originally the proper name of Allah in Makkah... Allah was always a proper name in the Arabic sources and not a common noun, Allah was the title used within each tribe in Pre-islamic Arabia to address tribal deity instead of its proper name and that Allah became the Islamic substitute for the name of any idol.

Hubal's known presence in the Kaʿbah, there is no polemic in the Qur'an against him. In other words, while the Qur'an railed against Allat, Manat, and al-ʿUzza, whom the pagan Arabs referred to as the "daughters of Allah", it stopped short of attacking the cult of Hubal.


The below pictures will clear your doubt on the true colour of islam.

You are surely in over drive. When you earlier mischief is pointed out you change tactics. It is clearly impossible for Allah to bare children so you try to equate him to Hubal? Even Hubal didn't bare any child? Do inanimate things bare children?


The Idol Hubal was mainly recognized as a male deity linked to war and divination, while the idols al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, and Manāt were significant female goddesses embodying fertility, beauty, protection, and fate, respectively. Together, they created a complex tapestry of religious beliefs that defined pre-Islamic Arabian culture before the rise of Islamic monotheism.

Allah is different from the polytheistic gods even prior to the advent of Islam, numerous Arabian tribes acknowledged Allah as the supreme deity, the God who stands above all others.

And they worship besides Allah things that harm them not, nor benefit them, and they say, 'These are our intercessors with Allah.'"
(Quran 10:18)