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TV01:
Collecting, collating or aggregating is not the same as advancing or inventing. Plus, I have already credited islam with that much.

During a period of expansive conquest, before islam fully embedded, it made sense to take stock, keep inventory and let seemingly beneficial works continue. But firstly, little or none of that work would have been by native muslims (more likely busy with sword fights ). Secondly, as things settle and islam works its way through every aspect of society, such endeavours will cease - by design.

It's the regressive nature of islam. It can't help itself. Policing every aspect of womens lives is ore important than scientific advance. Quibbling over the age of consent, acquiring wives and sex slaves. Ablutions & ensuring the correct foot is used to entry lavatories, takes priority over technological advance. Ensuring all worship is for their god and done their way is lifes prime directive. Advance ke? Said life has to be lived based on rigid, unyielding immutable 7th century dictates. (which we all know were conveniently revealed by mohammeds alter-ego )

This is completely wrong. Firstly, Europe's advance was not due to or as a result of any knowledge or advances from islam by native muslims. Secondly, the knowledge and learning would have been passed on in other ways. The fact islam collated knowledge, does not mean they were the only possible conduit, or there were not other channels. And thirdly, things can be re-discovered, re-created or re-invented., As would have happened under an ethos that engendered systematic research and discovery (i.e. Christianity).

No. That's the best proof - the outworking. Christianity has eliminated pretty much all social pathologies. This is evident even in post-Christian nations. Sexual exploitation, slavery, child labour, inheritance, rights, freedoms and liberties. Social welfare. Islam cannot even solve for cousin marriage , something the most primitive tribes have dealt with.

islam not only fails to deal with social pathologies, it embeds them. It ensures they are entrenched. Slavery, abuse of women, sexual exploitation, discriminatory taxes, oppression of minorities, medieval and brutal punishments and cousin marriage ewww!

No one said it did, that is islams own claim. And with most of islams claims, assertions, half-truths and outright lies, it cannot be proven, no recorded history. What were the names of the prophets sent to the tribes of Nigeria? As mohammed was sent to the arabic speaking people?

Eighty percent of muslims cannot read, understand or speak arabic. Why is the islamic god so parochial. What is wrong in worshipping the creator in Efik? Afterall, He created the tongue. There has never been a writ for Christianity to be mediated through onelanguage or ritualised based on a single culture. Muslims in 21st century Britain dress like 7th century arabs. Please.

Conquest by sword and rule by power, but a failure to maintain, or build proves there is nothing at islams heart. Everywhere it has the rule, islam lags on all key metrics and ultimately fails,

Evidenced by outworking - which s visible to all.


TV

If we’re going to judge Islam based on its later political decline, then we have to hold Christianity to the same standard. After all, over a thousand years of European theocracy led to inquisitions, witch hunts, slavery, religious wars, and a stifling of scientific progress, all until the enlightenment finally put a check on Christianity’s power. If decline is a disqualifier for Islam, then it’s Christianity that takes the first hit.

When it comes to conquest, Christianity has a much darker record in forced conversions, the extermination of pagans in Europe, the Crusades, the obliteration of indigenous religions around the globe, and church-supported colonialism. These weren’t just isolated incidents they were widely accepted practices, all done in the name of Christ.

If we’re blaming Islam for modern extremists, then Christianity has to reckon with the KKK, the Lord’s Resistance Army, residential schools, apartheid theology, and centuries of racialized slavery that were justified right from the Bible. Picking and choosing moral standards isn’t ethics; it’s just propaganda.

If Arabic liturgy is seen as parochial, then Christianity’s long history of mandatory Latin worship is a clear condemnation. If Islam is expected to name prophets for every tribe, then Christianity needs to explain why Jesus never set foot in Africa, Asia, or the Americas yet still claimed to have universal authority.

We either apply the same standards to Christianity or acknowledge that this critique isn’t about historical analysis, it’s about showing favoritism in theology.

BlackfireX:
Death by the poisoning of a Jewish woman


Solat changes meaning kilode all in trying to defend lies


Solat means prayer supplication

Using chatgpt to reply

Anyway I told you not to quote me

Chatgpt that can make mistakes is now your fortress? Is chatgpt your dictionary or where you gained your expertise of arabic language? Please try not to be silly.

Ask in that your line of chatgpt if solat meaning can change based on context where it's used.

BlackfireX:
solat that means praayer is mow bkessings( baaraakat)

Explore2xmore:
https://www.arabdict.com/en/en-ar/details?la=ar&ids=464235&term=blessing


https://www.arabdict.com/en/english-arabic/%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A9

You see from the arabic dictionary evidence that salat has a range of meanings including blessing, mercy, supplication, and prayer so in Qur’an 33:56 its meaning shifts by context. Allah’s salat denotes mercy and blessing, the angels’ salat denotes supplication, and the believers’ salat denotes invoking prescribed benedictions, all unified by honoring the Prophet pbuh appropriately.

The Prophet pbuh’s death does not negate this command, since Islamic theology holds that he remains alive in the Barzakh and receives salutations. Sending salat is therefore an act of obedience to God that benefits the believer spiritually, not a claim of physical interaction with the Prophet.

TV01:
Thank you sir ! Per the former, I couldn't have said it better myself. And, for the latter, I await your response - 1 concrete thing that islam has delivered that has advanced mankind technologically or improved society in a way no other faith or ideology has.

Not at all. All medicines are judged by their Efficacy over time - it is a data-driven metric. A full sequence of data-points over 1400 years clearly demonstrate that islam not only fails to bring progress, it actively regresses.

This is not embellishment. It's not airbrushing. It's not aggrandisement. It is not hyperbole. It is sheer fantasy. What you wrote up there is that islam laid the foundation for all the scientific and technological advances seen n the world today. Like really And then headed on back to the 7th century and let the rest of the (non-muslim) world take the glory and reap the benefits. Whilst even now, the islamic world struggles to deliver real progress based on what islam itself gave humankind? Come on!

You don't even hesitate to claim for islam all the advances that were present before islam made it's way out of the cave at hira?

No. Sorry, not sorry. islam is incapable of delivering anything other than 7th century Saudi Arabia or 21st century Afghanistan.

The koran is base, leading men to full-on gorge on their foulest inclinations, sexual depravity, bloodlust and plunder. So profound the near 100% muslim nations such as Somalia remain an enduring mess?


1. No. Jesus was sent to the whole world. As evidenced by the great commission given to his apostles.
2. mohammed did not have a greater revelation of YAHWEH\YHWH\YHVH. mohammed had no personal or additional revelation at all. Just claim to a god he called "allah".
3. Every language? . Only arabic, the language of mohammed. Which is mandated for all islamic rituals, which 80% of muslims can't understand or read. The koran itself says messengers were sent to people in their own language. Who was the messenger to the Igbo? The Yoruba?? The Ijaw

islamic continued recourse to waraqah highlights it's desperation. He was a random nobody.

Nope. Islam is the marriage of state and religion. Not just moral, ehtical or legal. Whole of life - but it only delivers death.

Half-truths, claims and assertions
1. Spain was doing fine before islam and continued to prosper after it was rightfully expunged. Why do muslims still insist on calling it Andalusia? It's not theirs. islam breeds land-grabbers & colonisers.
2. How did he "enter" Jerusalem. Selling gala .
4. Then immediately following claiming islam spread to China and Southeast asia by trade How many Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist and Jainist did islam slaughter - 10's of millions !

Is islam not the perfect deen and mohammed not the perfect role model? Where is the islamic god in all this? No name, no revelation, no power, no miracles, no evidence.

islam forces you to stay and forces you to convert wherever it is able - at best dhimmitude awaits.

I have. And, it does not. islam's outworking is as designed. The utter chaos is not a defect, it's by design.

I will not cease to speak the truth about the falsehood of islam. No nation, no community, no people, no individual has ever demonstrated or exemplified any good coming out of islam, that was unique to islam or did not precede islam.


TV

It is unnecessary for Islam to have invented every discipline to challenge your assertion. Rather, a single, demonstrably unique and enduring contribution rooted in its intellectual tradition suffices. One such example stands out which is the systematic preservation, transmission, and integration of Greek, Persian, and Indian scientific knowledge into a unified, multilingual scholarly ecosystem. Without this achievement, the later scientific synthesis in Europe would not have been possible. This is not to claim that Islam originated mathematics or medicine, but rather that it established the civilizational mechanisms that safeguarded and expanded these fields at a time when Europe had largely lost access to their foundational sources.

The argument based on efficacy over 1400 years is flawed, as the rise and fall of civilizations are shaped by geopolitical forces, not theology alone. The historical trajectories of Rome, Byzantium, Christendom, and modern secular states all follow similar patterns. The current state of Afghanistan, for instance, reveals no more about the essence of Islam than the Inquisition does about Christianity or Hiroshima about modern science.

Islam’s claim to universality does not require an ethnic prophet for every nation. The Qur’an itself acknowledges the existence of previous messengers, though not all are named (Qur’an 40:78). The use of Arabic as a liturgical language does not undermine Islam’s validity any more than Hebrew does for Judaism or Latin did for medieval Christianity.

It is important to recognize that polemical statements are not evidence. Assertions such as no miracles, no name, or no power remain claims, not substantiated arguments. Repetition does not transform them into proof. If Islam were inherently incapable of fostering order, learning, or continuity, it would not have maintained coherent legal, educational, and administrative systems across continents for over a thousand years.

Robust disagreement is entirely legitimate however, dismissing a civilization without proportion, historical context, or consistent standards is not genuine analysis it is ideology.

TV01:
At all. I outline and detail the real-world impact of islam (and it's followers). On every conceivable metric, islam and islamic communities are laggards and an overall drag to humanity

In my post above this, I spoke about the relevance of names in a scriptural context. The vacuity of the islamic scriptures and their total ability to grasp or transmit this exposes them as fraudulent and not of divine origin.

God's revelation of Himself through the Abrahamic lineage was unfolding. If anything, there should be a greater revelation to mohammed, if he was indeed rightfully part of that lineage and sent by The Almighty. There is no hiding place, no ruse - islam is false and that is evidenced in every which way one looks at it. Most especially when trying to claim continuation from earlier divine revelation and texts.


It is defenders of islam who reference waraqah in trying to validate islam. I merely demonstrate that he has no provenance, no imprimatur, and hence, no standing.

One thing. Just one. Please!

Please employ any metric of your choosing, and demonstrate any way islam engenders superior outcomes for it's communities or, has contributed anything to recent human advancement. One thing in either category. Come on man I'm bending over backwards here .

You continue to testify against yourself. The factors mentioned were experience by all the Nigerian regions. Plus, the colonialists left the northern elite with the upper hand politically. Still their religion and god could not prosper them. Rather it's been one long downward spiral in mass illiteracy, governmental malfeasance, widespread lawlessness and wholesale sectarian slaughter. With sharia law 0! In fact exacerbated by that very sharia law.

Look around you. Look around the world. Where islam goes, terror, bloodshed and destruction follow. Where it embeds, it's backwardness, regression and darkness. Look at individual muslim countries, or aggregates for all nations across any indicator or data point. islamic countries always lag in their own right, and islamic communities drag on any countries they form a sizeable part of.

Evidence ke? It's a living real-time reality - globally.


TV

Again you assert that Islam hinders humanity, and its scriptures lack substance, its followers are backward, and its influence is destructive. You ask for a single, concrete example,a real metric, that proves otherwise persistently rejecting all that had been earlier said?

When evaluating Islam’s influence, many immediately point to present-day challenges in some Muslim-majority countries such as corruption, poverty, or conflict. Yet, this approach is akin to judging the efficacy of medicine by observing those who refuse to take it. Historically, the Islamic world led humanity in learning, discovery, and civilization not through wealth or conquest, but through a sincere engagement with the Qur’an.

The Qur’an inspired a transformative worldview, encouraging the pursuit of knowledge and reflection on the natural world as signs of the Creator. This vision led to the establishment of the world’s first hospitals, public libraries, and universities. It gave rise to algebra, optics, astronomy, chemistry, and the scientific method itself. Figures such as Ibn al-Haytham, al-Khwarizmi, al-Zahrawi, and Ibn Sina did not merely recite scripture; they embodied the Qur’anic imperative to observe, reflect, and seek knowledge. Their contributions laid the groundwork for modern science and medicine. Notably, Western historians have acknowledged that the Renaissance and Enlightenment would have been impossible without the transmission of knowledge from the Muslim world.

You request a single metric so consider the scientific method. The very foundation of modern progress was shaped by Muslim scholars acting on Islamic principles. If you are reading this on a device built upon advances in optics and mathematics, you are already benefiting from Islam’s enduring legacy.

To claim that the Qur’an is vacuous overlooks its profound and lasting influence. How could an empty text ignite a civilization or be memorized, word for word, by millions across fourteen centuries? No other book in human history has achieved such preservation or impact. The Qur’an addresses both reason and spirit, calling humanity to a higher awareness of purpose and existence. It is not a mere imitation of previous scriptures; it is the continuation and culmination of the same divine message, intended for all humanity.

You suggest that if Muhammad peace be upon him were truly part of the Abrahamic tradition, his revelation should have been greater. In fact, it was. Earlier prophets were sent to specific peoples; Muhammad pbuh was sent to all peoples, in every language, for all times. As the Qur’an states: “We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.” The greatness of this revelation lies not in novelty, but in its universality,its capacity to unite all nations under one God and one moral law.

Regarding Waraqah ibn Nawfal, once again, he was a Christian scholar who recognized the divine nature of Muhammad pbuh's experience. However, Islam does not rest on his testimony. The Qur’an was revealed through the angel Jibril and Waraqah’s involvement was brief. Remove him from the narrative, and the core of Islam remains unchanged.

You mention Nigeria and Sharia, suggesting Islam has failed there. In reality, what you observe is not Islam failing, but individuals failing to uphold its principles. Sharia was never intended as a political tool or slogan; it is a moral and legal framework designed to protect life, intellect, family, property, and faith. When invoked without justice, compassion, or knowledge, its true purpose is betrayed. The Qur’an itself condemns hypocrisy more severely than disbelief. Your attention should be more on the governing individuals that sustain poor governance.

The assertion that Islam brings destruction wherever it goes is not supported by history. In Spain, Islam fostered centuries of peaceful coexistence among Muslims, Christians, and Jews. When Caliph Umar may Allah be pleased with him, entered Jerusalem, he refused to pray in a church to prevent future claims over it. In China and Southeast Asia, Islam spread through trade, honesty, and scholarship not warfare. The violence witnessed today stems not from Islam itself, but from its abandonment, much as every faith has suffered at the hands of those who misuse it for power.

It is true that many Muslim countries face significant challenges today. The Qur’an anticipated such decline, stating “Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” The struggles of Muslims are not evidence of Islam’s weakness. Civilizations rise and fall; only truth endures.

Despite global turmoil, Islam continues to grow not by force, but through conviction. Across the world, people are drawn to its simple, profound message; There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad pbuh is His messenger. Those disillusioned by materialism are rediscovering meaning in submission to their Creator.

If you see confusion among Muslims, your frustration is understandable. Yet, if you examine Islam itself, its scripture, ethics, legacy, and living spirit you will find a faith that uplifts both heart and mind, body and soul, in a way no empire or ideology has ever matched.

“Say: The truth has come, and falsehood has vanished. Indeed, falsehood is bound to vanish.” (Qur’an 17:81)

The truth of Islam does not depend on imperfect followers; it endures and shines by its own light.

TV01:
I agree with your first sentence here. But not the second. The "same Creator that Abraham knew" revealed his personal name. Why does the same creator have only a generic name, not a revealed name according to the acclaimed "seal of all the prophets".

Exodus 3 - 13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” 15 Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

Non of these biblical characters were cited as prophets - or lineal to the tribes of Israel. waraqah should not only be dismissed, he is not admissable - what is his lineage, his provenance, his background, his imprimatur from the Most High? A total random - not mentioned before or after. What are waraqahs bona fides?

One invention, one technological invention or scientific discovery attributable to a muslim in an islamic setting that has clearly advanced humankind. Sorry, islam can't. C'est impossible.

Islam can only lead to regression, not progression. This is readily apparent even in the Nigerian ecosystem. Islam is wholly attributable for the backwardness of the North. As I noted in my previous response in this thread. 15 million Jews have delivered more than 2 billion muslims in technological advancements using the Nobel prize as a metric.

Harping on about past glories - which are debateable at best - does not ameliorate the void in innovation, invention, creativity and advancement in the islamic world. Economies, 3rd tier, militaries, inefficient, dubious human rights and civil liberties, customary violence against women and girls and a host of other failings.

I forgot to add in my last post notes about islams failure to eradicate slavery, sex slavery, child sexual violations (euphemistically termed marriage), few rights and liberties due to it's totalitarian nature, repression of minorities. There is nothing good to come out of islam. And the more islam a community has the worse it becomes.


TV

You're not really making a point here; you're just recycling old assumptions and pretending they're conclusions.

There's no biblical rule that says God has to use the same covenant name for every prophet that comes after. Even the Bible itself doesn’t stick to that. YHWH was revealed to Israel specifically for Israel; Abraham was aware of the same Creator long before that name was ever mentioned. Expecting a later, non-Israelite prophet to use an Israel-specific covenant name is more about nostalgia than actual scripture.

Waraqah is just a distraction. Islam doesn’t hinge on his authority, lineage, or credibility. The Qur’an clearly states that revelation came through an angel (Qur’an 2:97; 26:193–194). If you were to remove Waraqah from the picture, Islamic doctrine would still stand strong. Treating him as the cornerstone of Islam only highlights the weakness of that argument.

The assertion that Islam contributed nothing falls apart with a little historical knowledge. Algebra, experimental optics, clinical medicine, hospitals, universities, pharmacology, surgical tools, and astronomical tables all emerged from Islamic civilizations and directly influenced Europe’s Renaissance. Claiming they were conquered cultures doesn’t save that argument. Europe itself gained much of its Greek knowledge through Arabic channels. You can’t celebrate the Renaissance while ignoring the library that kept it alive.

Counting Nobel Prizes is just rhetorical fluff, not a serious way to analyze civilizations. By that logic, you could label most of Africa, Asia, and Latin America as civilizational failures and this says more about the metric than the societies themselves. History isn’t a scorecard like a football game.

And blaming Islam for the issues in Northern Nigeria while overlooking colonial borders, exploitative governance, military rule, and post-colonial economic turmoil isn’t insightful it’s just convenient.

Bold claims need solid evidence. What’s being presented instead is certainty without foundation, noise without substance, and dismissal where a thoughtful explanation is needed.

TV01:
So you agree, allah is not a personal, revealed name. It's a "term"

So not the revealed personal name of the Creator?

Ok then, what is the revealed or personal name of the islamic god

Isnad? That is an islamic contrivance that essentially means folklore

What are mohammeds antecedents? Specifically his connection to the 12 tribes f Israel, from where YAHWEH' prophets emanated. Likewise the bona fides of Waraqua, who confirmed his cave encounter as a divinely ordered angelic encounter?

Algebraic notions was evident in ancient Babylon, through Egypt and Greece.. Let me be clear, islam is inherently incapable of scientific rigour, rational thinking and hence technological advancement.

There may have been periods during islamic expansionism that advancement were made in conquered nations, which would have been attributed to islam by default, but islamic thinking itself did not produce these advances.

Persia was not an islamic country, it was conquered by islam. I grant that there was a period of knowledge gathering and preservation in the islamic empire, but not anything new or innovative due to islam itself.

Fifteen million Jews have 25% of the Nobel peace prizes. The whole of islam has 2 and a bit - shared amongst 2 billion people. Enough said


TV

The name “Allah” isn’t something new; it’s actually the Arabic word for God that was used long before Islam by various groups, including pagans, Jews, and Christians. Islam doesn’t claim to introduce a new name for the divine but rather aims to bring back the worship of the same Creator that Abraham knew. It’s also important to note that biblical prophets weren’t just from Israel as figures like Job, Melchizedek, and Balaam were outside the 12 tribes, showing that lineage isn’t a requirement for being a prophet. Waraqah, a literate Christian who understood biblical angelology, shouldn’t be dismissed without solid evidence; doing so is more about making a statement than presenting a real argument.

When we look at Babylon, Greece, and Egypt, we see they had their own mathematics, but it was in the Islamic world that algebra was developed into a formal, abstract discipline. Simply preserving knowledge doesn’t account for the original contributions made. Yes, Persia was conquered, but that doesn’t explain the brilliance of thinkers like Ibn al-Haytham, al-Biruni, or al-Khwarizmi; it’s the intellectual frameworks that matter. Nobel statistics reflect modern geopolitics and access, not the truth of theology or the causes of history. To dismiss the entire intellectual legacy of a civilization as incapable by nature is more about rhetoric than genuine analysis.

TV01:
The same term for the generic word god. A term used to describe the pre-islamic pagan deities worshipped by the people of the time. Note, mohammeds father abduallah - slave of god - pre-dated islam. It is not the revealed or personal name of the creator of all things, The Everlasting God, Yahweh, The I AM that I AM.

A god with no name, a "prophet" with no provenance and scriptures with no historical proof.

Not poetic. And even if it is, it's meaning is unmistakeably clear.

I did not claim that islam has contributed nothing, but that it had not contributed anything uniquely positive. Point to one invention that came solely from muslims, from an islamic miliea. And show me one social pathology that islam has eliminated.

TV

The assertion that Allah is a pagan name is fundamentally mistaken. In fact, Allah is the ancient Semitic term for The God, and its usage predates Islam by centuries. Arab Jews and Arab Christians referred to the God of Abraham as Allah long before the rise of Islam. Even today, the Arabic Bible uses Allah not as a generic label, but as the singular Creator. Christian Arabs continue to pray to Allah al-Ab, meaning God the Father. Just as Elohim existed before Christianity, Allah is rooted in a much older linguistic tradition. The antiquity of a word does not render it pagan simply because it was once misapplied by others.

The claim that Allah is a god with no name reflects a misunderstanding of Semitic religious thought. In the Hebrew Bible, God is most often addressed by titles such as El, Elohim, and Adonai, rather than by the specific name YHWH. After the exile, Jewish tradition even avoided pronouncing the divine name altogether. Islam follows this longstanding Near Eastern pattern, emphasizing a transcendent God known through attributes rather than human-like naming conventions.
The suggestion that Muhammad was a prophet with no provenance is contradicted by the historical record. Muhammad stands alone among the founders of major world religions in having his genealogy, community, teachings, conflicts, legal rulings, and public life documented by thousands of contemporaries. These accounts have been preserved through multiple independent chains of transmission (isnad). By comparison, no ancient figure including Jesus or Moses has left behind such extensive contemporaneous documentation.

When asked for achievements unique to the Islamic world, two examples stand out;
Al-Khwarizmi’s Algebra; the development of algebra (al-jabr) by Al-Khwarizmi did not originate from Greek, Persian, or Indian sources. It is a foundational mathematical system that underpins modern science and technology worldwide.
Ibn al-Haytham’s rigorous, proof-based approach to optics laid the groundwork for the modern scientific method, a fact recognized by Western historians of science. These innovations were not borrowed; they emerged from within the Islamic intellectual tradition itself.
Regarding the issue of social pathologies,it is important to recognize that classical Islamic law systematically abolished many of the social ills that afflicted late antiquity. These included infanticide, unrestricted polygamy, hereditary caste slavery, exploitative usury, and cycles of tribal vengeance. Such reforms are well-documented by non-Muslim historians of Arabia. Whether or not one agrees with Islamic theology, the historical impact of these reforms is undeniable.

1. “Allah” as a pre-Islamic Semitic term (including names like ʿAbd-Allah before Islam)

• F. E. Peters, The Monotheists: Jews, Christians, and Muslims in Conflict and Competition, Princeton University Press, 2003.
(Discusses pre-Islamic use of “Allah” among Arabs, including Christians and pagans.)

2. “Allah” used by Arab Christians and Jews long before Islam, and still used in the Arabic Bible
• Sidney H. Griffith, The Bible in Arabic: The Scriptures of the “People of the Book” in the Language of Islam, Princeton University Press, 2013.
(Shows that Arab Christians used “Allah” in scripture translations centuries before Islam.)

3. Al-Khwarizmi and the invention / foundation of algebra
• J. L. Berggren, Episodes in the Mathematics of Medieval Islam, Springer, 2016.
(Details how Al-Khwarizmi’s al-Jabr founded algebra as a discipline.)

4. Ibn al-Haytham as the father of optics
• David C. Lindberg, Theories of Vision from Al-Kindi to Kepler, University of Chicago Press, 1976.
(Explains how Ibn al-Haytham’s Kitāb al-Manāẓir laid the foundation for modern optics.)

5. Broader scientific impact of the Islamic Golden Age
• George Saliba, Islamic Science and the Making of the European Renaissance, MIT Press, 2007.
(Documents how Islamic scientific work directly shaped later European scientific advancement.)

6. Social reforms eliminating pre-Islamic practices (infanticide, blood-feud violence, exploitation, etc.)
• W. Montgomery Watt, Muhammad at Mecca, Oxford University Press, 1953.
(Shows the social problems of pre-Islamic Arabia and the ethical reforms brought by Islam.)

TV01:
Nope, the word allah is not a personal name, it's a generic word for god. Yahweh, The I Am that I Am, is a name revealed in both the Hebrew & Christian scriptures. Neither is there any connection or continuity between the Judeo-Christian scriptures and the koranic text.

And no again, the god of muhammed is not the god of the Hebrew or Christian scriptures. Is the god presented by muhammed a Father? Are followers of the god of muhammed not expressly named as slaves?

I didn't interpret it, neither did I translate it. As presented, it reads expressly and unambiguously. I only posted the one verse in response to the claim that there is not one OT verse. There are others, across both testaments, which present a compelling portrait as God presenting in a multi-faceted manner.


I appreciate that may be the case and will not deny anyone's right to believe as they will and proselytise accordingly - as long as they do not compel or do any harm.

But hinging on "pure monotheism" is mans insistence on how God must be, not Gods clear revelation of Himself to man - and indeed, "The Lord our God is One"

Christianity is attested to prophetically, historically, archeologically and, most importantly in some respects, by it's practical outworking. The so called ROP produces anything but. And, the ROP has no recorded positive impact on humanity or, record of eliminating societal pathologies - only embedding and amplifying them.
TV

The term “Allah” has been used as the proper name for the Creator by Arab Jews and Christians long before the advent of Islam, and it continues to appear in the Arabic Bible today. So, the argument that it refers to a different deity simply doesn’t hold up. The Bible often refers to prophets as servants/slaves of God, which means that Islam using the same term doesn’t imply the existence of a new God. When Isaiah 48:16 is quoted, it’s important to recognize that it’s poetic language, not a doctrine suggesting multiple divine beings which is something that even Jewish scholars would agree on. While Christianity later developed the concept of God into multiple persons, Islam maintains the straightforward monotheism that Abraham and Moses practiced. Moreover, the notion that Islam has contributed nothing to the world is easily debunked by a millennium of scientific, medical, and intellectual advancements that even Western historians acknowledge.

TV01:
Here' an Old Testament reference for you. Not necessariiy because you gainsaid, but for anyone who truly wants revelation. God is real and Hs name is not allah. Hs name is Yahweh, The I am That I am. Come to Christ and be saved.

Isaiah 48:16 - “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.”


TV

Be assured that Muslims absolutely acknowledge the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. The name Allah isn’t a different deity; it’s simply the Arabic word for the same One God that you refer to as Yahweh. In fact, Arabic-speaking Christians have been using Allah for centuries without any issue.

When it comes to Isaiah 48:16, Christians often interpret it through a Trinitarian lens, but Jews who have preserved that text don’t see it as evidence of the Trinity. This highlights that interpretations can be more about theology than straightforward facts.

When you say come to Christ, that reflects your faith perspective. Just as you extend an invitation to Christianity, Muslims invite others to embrace pure monotheism not out of animosity, but from a place of genuine belief.

True belief is most powerful when it’s grounded in evidence and reason, rather than simply passed down through tradition.

@BlackfireX
You totally failed to tackle the questions but just sidestepped them. Not a single Old Testament prophet ever taught about the Trinity, and you didn’t provide any evidence to the contrary. When God said, Let there be light, it wasn’t about a second divine person it was simply God speaking, not a Trinity. Jesus referred to the Father as the only true God (John 17:3), which completely undermines the idea of co-equal Trinitarian claims. You didn’t show any verse where the Holy Spirit is worshipped by any prophet or apostle. Doctrines that pop up centuries later in church councils aren’t original revelations they’re just later interpretations.

You should take advantage of the 5 days time frame given you to respond.

@BlackfireX
You totally failed to tackle the questions but just sidestepped them. Not a single Old Testament prophet ever taught about the Trinity, and you didn’t provide any evidence to the contrary. When God said, Let there be light, it wasn’t about a second divine person it was simply God speaking, not a Trinity. Jesus referred to the Father as the only true God (John 17:3), which completely undermines the idea of co-equal Trinitarian claims. You didn’t show any verse where the Holy Spirit is worshipped by any prophet or apostle. Doctrines that pop up centuries later in church councils aren’t original revelations they’re just later interpretations.

https://www.arabdict.com/en/en-ar/details?la=ar&ids=464235&term=blessing


https://www.arabdict.com/en/english-arabic/%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A9

In the Hebrew Bible, the root word barakh illustrates how Semitic languages can use a single verb in various ways, depending on the subject, similar to the Arabic salah. When God is the subject, barakh translates to bless or bestow favor, as seen in Genesis 12:2: I will bless you.However, when humans take the subject role, the same verb shifts to mean praise or glorify God, like in Psalm 103:1: Bless the LORD, O my soul. Interestingly, this root can also imply kneeling, which signifies physical humility, as mentioned in Nehemiah 8:6. No Jew or Christian interprets this to mean that humans are empowering God or that God kneels. Instead, they understand that the meaning changes based on who is performing the action. This concept is mirrored in Arabic, where sala and yusallu in the Qur’an demonstrate how one root can convey multiple meanings, all shaped by context and subject rather than a rigid, one-size-fits-all translation.

olabrad:
Salat in Arabic means prayer or praise in English. there is no other meaning.

Writing long post will not change the fact that allah prays for muhamed or praised muhamed.

The first instances shows that there is someone greater than allah. The second instance shows that muhamed is greater than allah.

Lying and twisting facts can't save Islam. The world is wiser now.

Ok. Read the verse in Arabic and ascertain who makes salat for Muhammad is this what Allah does? Just show that what Allah does is Salat.

BlackfireX:
i ask you a simple question what is the meaning of salaat ?


throwing up words wont help you. since you are mixing things up ... lets start from the basics


what does salah means? infact that is even the topic of this threaad ....what is Salaat?



let me ask you again what is salat ? forget the explanation ...lets start from the basics


what is salaat?

please this time don't tell Mickley mouse story.

Don't divert from mecca to medina

Don't allow shaitan to use black dog to scare you


What is salat in arabic?

Aha! Exposed he doesn't know what salat is in Arabic. Cannot detect it in the Arabic of the verse or any other place and he is here blabbing. It's very obvious you don't know what you state.

BlackfireX:
What is salat?

Is the problem the reading or the understanding?

Explore2xmore:
For humans, it refers to prayer; for angels, it’s about supplication; and for Allah, it conveys mercy, blessing, and honor not prayer.

Do you not have a grasp of what you are saying or is it quickly forgotten?

BlackfireX:
You should take your own advise

Now the word used is salat which means prayer.

Now the words you are using that it means blessings is not salaat instead it is barakat


Saaaalat means prayer
Barakat means blessings [/b]



O Allah send your Salat to/ on muhamed


[b]If salat is prayer who is Allah praying to on behalf of Muhammad ? Or is he prayimg to Muhammad( the High One, the one that should be praised, the intetcessor) all this from muhamed 99 names .



Salat is prayer
Don't play altaqiyya with me

You came to conclusions on what salat is on at least two occasions in response to my post. Remember you say you love Arabic but it appears you don't understand what you claim to love?

Haven established one meaning of salat at least for one context. Now show this exact word Salat in Arabic or transliteration in Quran 33:56 unless you now accept your lies and agree to your unsubstantiated mocking of mischievous intent.

Then provide a definition of altaqiyya from the Arabic you love.

Remember too:

Explore2xmore:
You state being in love with Arabic in your response to Olabrad but loving something and properly understanding it are not the same.
In the phrase Allah sends salah upon the Prophet pbuh . The verb form of salah used shifts its meaning depending on who’s using it. For humans, it refers to prayer; for angels, it’s about supplication; and for Allah, it conveys mercy, blessing, and honor not prayer. In Qur’an 33:43, when it says, He is the One who yusalli upon you, it highlights Allah’s role in guiding believers from darkness into light, showcasing His divine favor. [b]Is Allah praying to believers here? [/b]Compare to the one you apparently are critical of as it applies to prophet Muhammad pbuh; Quran 33:56 Indeed, Allah and His angels yusalluna upon the Prophet…”

Classical scholars like Ibn al-Athir and al-Tabari clarify that Allah’s salah is more about commendation than worship. When believers send salah, they’re simply joining in the act of honoring the Prophet pbuh.

olabrad:
So, the best solution is to pay off the bandits so that they can be encouraged to come back for more kidnapping?!

You condemn nnamdi KANU but try to protect bandits that commit murder and kidnap people!


I won't be surprised if you are a Muslim.

Small time, you'll lie to yourself that Islam is a peaceful reliigiion that doesn't support the bandits.

Keep on lying to yourself!

Mr Ola perharps you can share some of this ola towards attaining the country of our dreams. However you should understand that Islam does not endorse banditry; in fact, the Qur’an (5:33) prescribes severe penalties for crimes like kidnapping, murder, and acts of terror.
Paying ransom is a sign of governmental failure, not a principle of Islam, and it's important to note that Nigeria is not governed by Islamic law, so we can't attribute its policies to it. As it is the Chief of Defence, IGP and Head of Military intelligence are not Muslims. Banditry flourishes due to weak security, corruption, poverty, and political manipulation, rather than any religious doctrine.

Islam denounces all forms of crime whether committed by Muslims or others and advocates for justice, even when it involves members of one’s own community. Criticizing one group doesn’t mean endorsing another; crime is crime, no matter the ethnicity or faith involved. People of all religions in Nigeria are affected by banditry, and everyone deserves to feel safe. The focus should be on improving governance, not on blaming entire religions for the actions of a few.

Criminals are criminals, not representatives of any faith.No religion teaches kidnapping, murder, or injustice.Only dishonest people turn crime into a religious weapon to divide society.

We should defeat the misguided lie of alleging these bad acts are rooted in any religion which is clear at least in both Christianity and Islam. Are we unable to learn from history?

Let's encourage the arrest and bringing to justice all that are culpable. If the apparent immediate non arrest is strategic we hope posterity reveals better than more terror.

BlackfireX:
Is very simple


What does salat means?

That has long been established. Show this salat in the Arabic or transliteration of Quran 33:56 or is this not possible?

BlackfireX:
Funny how one need to study Arabic to understand qquran Islam and muhamed...

Then you learn Arabic the next you will hear is the classical tongue, 7 ways of understanding Quran ....ask yourself what kind of confusion is this?

My friend I have answered you even on your ignorance...

Saalaaaat means prayer.
The way Muslim deny Quranic verses eeh.

I updated my response please check. Then I don't know what your native tongue is but obviously certain words in it have meanings determined by context.

Can you clearly pick out the Arabic word salat in the verse you refer too? Do this so we can close

BlackfireX:
You should take your own advise

Now the word used is salat which means prayer.

Now the words you are using that it means blessings is not salaat instead it is barakat


Saaaalat means prayer
Barakat means blessings



O Allah send your Salat to/ on muhamed


If salat is prayer , who is Allah praying to on behalf of Muhammad? Or is he prayimg to Muhammad( the High One, the one that should be praised, the intetcessor) all this from muhamed 99 names .



Salat is prayer
Don't play altaqiyya with me

Can your Arabic expertise show you the difference between Wa aqimu as-salata lillah
;And establish the prayer for Allah.(Q 2:110)

compared to:

Huwa alladhi yusalli ʿalaykum wa malaʾikatuhu
He is the One who yusalli upon you, and His angels (also). (Q 33:43)

Can you differentiate the linguistic difference between yusalli and yusalluna in the verse of your concern?

Do you know what is called Fusha and how it relates to the Quran and native Arabians study this?

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Did you read or skim through my earlier response?

Explore2xmore:
In Qur’an 33:43, when it says, He is the One who yusalli upon you, it highlights Allah’s role in guiding believers from darkness into light, showcasing His divine favor. Is Allah praying to believers here?

Then give a definition of altaqiyya please.

BlackfireX:
Ok nice attempt.


I learn Arabic is that a crime ? And I am sure you ain't an Arab. Which means you still need to learn it. Imagine to know the mind of Allah you a non Arab must learn Arabic language to understand your Allah.

Now back to the topic.

What does salat means?

Let's start from there.

No point getting reactiive mate.

Explore2xmore:
The verb form of salah used shifts its meaning depending on who’s using it. For humans, it refers to prayer; for angels, it’s about supplication; and for Allah, it conveys mercy, blessing, and honor not prayer.

BlackfireX:
O Allah send your prayer or praises to Muhammad..... what does that mean? Allah praying to Who?


An one of the purpose of this is for forgiveness of sin.... so sins are forgiven by sending praises to Muhammad?

Is that not contradiction? Can a sinner save a sinner?

You state being in love with Arabic in your response to Olabrad but loving something and properly understanding it are not the same.
In the phrase Allah sends salah upon the Prophet pbuh . The verb form of salah used shifts its meaning depending on who’s using it. For humans, it refers to prayer; for angels, it’s about supplication; and for Allah, it conveys mercy, blessing, and honor not prayer. In Qur’an 33:43, when it says, He is the One who yusalli upon you, it highlights Allah’s role in guiding believers from darkness into light, showcasing His divine favor. Is Allah praying to believers here? Compare to the one you apparently are critical of as it applies to prophet Muhammad pbuh; Quran 33:56 Indeed, Allah and His angels yusalluna upon the Prophet…”

Classical scholars like Ibn al-Athir and al-Tabari clarify that Allah’s salah is more about commendation than worship. When believers send salah, they’re simply joining in the act of honoring the Prophet pbuh.

olabrad:
Research shows that the Arabic word used in the verse is solat, which means prayer.

Meuslims try to lie by saying solat means blessing. Blessings in Arabic means barakat.

You can't deceive people anymore

Kindly present the actual research result not bland unsubstantiated statement please. Is this how you are taught? Answer without process or clear explanations? Please present the Arabic text or transliteration and show you understand what you say.

olabrad:
Menslims will go and be praying to an aila dat prayed for Minhamed (Qu. 33:56)

When aila prayed for Minhamed, who did aila pray to?!

Stop following without care. Allah sent blessings on Muhammad pbuh and believers are encouraged to do same. It is an honor and Allah prays to no one.

I believe you can do this research and correct yourself.

Hope the process and aftermath are well handled. The guilty and innocent will be afflicted though this is no excuse to allow wicked disorder fester.

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DeltaFire:
BAQT: AFRICANS KNEW GOD. BUT ISLAM OPENED THE DOOR TO BREAKING THAT RELATIONSHIP, THEN LATER WHITE JESUS RELIGIONS WORSENED IT.
Christianity for Africans, Facebook
12 October 2025

As we know, the Chosen People are a Black people. This is how Africans weakened themselves by the entrance of Arabs and their Islam into our world. Here is a little history of it:

Makuria was a Nubian kingdom in what is today southern Egypt and northern Sudan.  It came into being after the collapse of the Kingdom of Kush in the 4th century AD. The Makuria Kingdom existed from the 6th century AD until the 14th century AD.

In 651 an Arab army invaded Makuria Kingdom but it was repelled and a treaty known as the Baqt was signed to prevent further Arab invasions in exchange for 360 slaves each year plus other conditions. This Baqt treaty lasted for a very long time, until the 13th century AD.

Baqṭ was a treaty between the Bible-believing state of Makuria and the new Arab Muslim rulers of Egypt in the 7th century AD. (Remember that Ethiopia and Nubia had scrolls of the Scripture long before Europeans came with their version of the Bible).

King Qualidurut of Makuria was the ruler who initially agreed to the Baqt treaty with the Arab Umayyad Caliphate in the 7th century AD.


This history is for us to analyse today in light of the Bible.

King Qualidurut signed a treaty with the enemy, the Ishmaelites (Arabs) because although he was not defeated he FEARED being defeated in the future. Why did this king not turn to Yahuwah God and trust that as Chosen People, if he and his people kept to the Covenant, then Yahuwah would help them to defeat the Arabs? When David and his men were at Ziklag their families were taken away as captives by the Amalekites. They did not give in but inquired of Yahuwah God who instructed them to pursue the enemy, they did so and recovered their families. The Arabs had not defeated King Qualidurut yet he FEARED!

Then again, this was an evil treaty where the Ishmaelites required a yearly amount of 360 slaves! In the Old Testament being a Hebrew slave was a temporary condition lasting a maximum of 6 years, and being freed in the 7th year. Plus they had to be treated humanely. What King Qualidurut did by giving away 360 Black lives as slaves each year was sinful and the Arabs were very cruel to the African slaves.
Additionally, the Old Testament severely condemns kidnapping, specifically for the purpose of selling people into slavery, and requires the death penalty for this crime. Exodus 21:16 states that "whoever kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or is found in his possession, shall be put to death". Deuteronomy 24:7 reinforces this law, commanding that "if a man is caught kidnapping any of his brothers among the Israelites and treats him as a slave or sells him, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you". 

The strength of the Chosen People is in Yahuwah God. With obedience there is protection from the enemy and other blessings. But, with disobedience that protection would no longer be available. This is how our African ancestors got weaker. Then, as the Arabs kept on imposing themselves, their religion of Islam also began to spread. As we read from history books, Islam was spread by trade and also the sword so if in that way our ancestors would have joined out of fear and desperation, then they would teach their children that foreign religion, and worship of the true Yahuwah God would progressively get forgotten.

As we know, Satan will take advantage of every situation to keep the Chosen People separated from Yahuwah. In this more weaker condition of Africa, witchcraft that is condemned in the Old Testament eg in Exodus 22:18 and Leviticus 20:27 began to get bold and seek customers, and up to today we have the sorcery practices in Africa.
Leviticus 19: 31 states:
“Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.”

Even with all that, there were still people in Africa who were worshipping Yahuwah God, so when Europeans came they recorded that in their notebooks. However, White people added to the near-complete elimination of Yahuwah God from Africa with their identity theft White Jesus and Christianity that debases Blackness as it elevates Whiteness. Therefore, while deceived that they worship God, it was White culture, White thinking, and a White god that Africans worship.

We today have a lot more Light than our ancestors had. We know that the biblical Israelites were a Black nation. We also know the racism and cruelty that we face from Whites and Arabs, and we know that global systems are worked to be against us rising. Yet, we also know from Deuteronomy 30 that Yahuwah God has promised to restore us to Him and to the place He wants His special Chosen People to be at this time.

So Africans, I hope from this information we can see how we weakened ourselves by fearing foreigners which made them tell us what to do and control the way we should worship and live. Look at our Church denominations and Mosques, who has set the programs for them? Is it still Whites and Arabs? Does that make us stronger or weaker?



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#BlackMESSIAH



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Interesting write up.

Remember though that after the fall of Kush in the fourth century, Africa’s Nile Valley rose again through Christian kingdoms like Nobatia, Makuria, and Alodia. These were Bible-believing African nations that worshipped Yahuwah long before Europeans brought their version of Christianity. In 651 CE, an Arab-Egyptian army invaded Makuria but was repelled. King Qalidurut, though undefeated, feared future war and signed the Baqt Treaty with the Muslim rulers of Egypt. It brought centuries of peace but required a yearly tribute of around 360 slaves a grievous sin against Yahuwah’s law.

The Scriptures forbid kidnapping and human trade. Whoever kidnaps a man and sells him shall be put to death (Exodus 21:16). Hebrew servitude was temporary and humane, yet this treaty handed Africans to foreign masters. The king’s fear, rather than faith, opened a door for spiritual decline. As covenant obedience faded, protection weakened. Islam spread through trade and influence, and in that spiritual vacuum, witchcraft and spiritism grew bold despite the warnings of Leviticus 19:31 and 20:27.

Islam, however, also changed the meaning of slavery. The Qur’an made freedom the rule and enslavement the exception, commanding mercy, brotherhood, and the freeing of slaves as a virtue. In spirit, it abolished ownership of humans, though later societies often ignored this ideal.

Centuries later, Europeans arrived and erased much of Africa’s memory of Yahuwah through their White Jesus religion that exalted whiteness and belittled blackness. Africans were made to worship a foreign image of God while their true covenant heritage was hidden.

Today we know more. The Israelites were an olive to brown skinned including black people, and Deuteronomy 30 promises that Yahuwah will restore His Chosen People when they return to Him. Our weakness began when we feared foreigners and allowed them to dictate our worship. Our strength returns when we stand in faith, reject imposed systems, and seek again the covenant relationship with Yahuwah our God.

Kavara:
Some people may have gone through what I am going through now and generally I am tired of my situations currently and I need change.

I can't really share some here personally because 9f public space but if I can talk to someone it will help

Try not to be so hard on yourself. Life is a continuous process, quite often a mix and no one has it all in one jolly good direction. Keep looking to be better.

See you mentioned restitution. I don't know what for and truly will rather not know. You resolve not to repeat and perharps may find a way to compensate and maybe in time openly seek forgiveness/restitution with whoever is directly afflicted. No fuss. Keep being better and stop being tied to what's passed. It can't be undone. Do the best with now and strive to better tomorrow.

Cheer up and be grateful for the little positives, try to do more but don't break yourself in the process.

We more likely wouldn't come to an agreement however consider that the relationship within the Christian Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit sharing the same essence, or homoousios, the scriptures hint at a hierarchy that deserves a closer look.

Take John 5:19, for instance, where it says, The Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.

This verse really highlights how the Son relies on the Father, showing that Jesus is all about fulfilling the Father's will instead of acting on his own.

Then there's 1 Corinthians 11:3, which states, The head of Christ is God, pointing to an eternal order within the Godhead and suggesting that the Son continually submits to the Father's authority.

Moreover, 1 Corinthians 15:28 talks about the Son eventually being subjected to the Father, reinforcing this hierarchical relationship that goes beyond just temporary circumstances.
And in John 14:28, when Jesus says, The Father is greater than I, it emphasizes the different roles even among those who are equal in essence. So, while the Trinity embodies unity in being, there’s definitely a clear order of authority at play. The highest being the One True God that everything including Jesus and the Holy spirit submit to.

TenQ:
Check above Mr Explore2xmore

Jesus and his disciples were part of the Jewish community, and his earliest followers belonged to a Jewish sect. However, most Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah because he didn’t fit their expectations, and his teachings—especially as they evolved over time—strayed from traditional Jewish beliefs. As a result, Christianity developed its own path, while Judaism continued to reject the notion of Jesus as the Messiah.

When it comes to genetics, we have some strong insights, but we can’t yet guarantee or perfectly predict how a child will look. Our knowledge is expanding, but human traits come from intricate, layered genetic systems rather than straightforward one-to-one mappings.

Law represents a structured set of rules enforced by the state to uphold social order, whereas morality reflects an individual or collective sense of right and wrong. It’s important to note that laws can exist independently of moral values, and people can still be guided by their moral compass even when laws are absent.

Morality is influenced by certain principles of right and wrong, while law is shaped by political, social, and practical considerations—and sometimes, these two don’t quite match up.

It pains you about the marriage eh ya. You missed out on that didn't you for your societal norms. Eh ya!

I mentioned your Jewish brethren's error to point out their error. The hadith doesn't refer to gender of offspring. Does it?

TenQ:
Hello Mr Explore2xmore,
As usual, they delayed two posts connected to the reference above

Here it is again

It's a big pity you cannot discern difference in what he said compared to what the Jews said. Some poor degree in intelligence and discernment.

You can keep repeating or regurgitating your old statements

Does the science you believe have absolute understanding? No! Hahaha

The Qur’an lays out a clear and organized list of those who are prohibited from marrying in Surah An-Nisa (4:22–24), addressing biological, foster, and in-law relationships. On the other hand, the Bible has this information more scattered, less systematic, and primarily focuses on biological relatives. The New Testament tends to emphasize moral behavior rather than detailing specific marriage restrictions. In summary, the Qur’an provides a more straightforward and legally precise approach to marriage prohibitions compared to the Bible.

In all the Quran speaks in terms that are understood and people know. People had a knowledge of Jesus and what he preached.
It is a shame that the original Hebrews or jews have no name for the book of Jesus.

Jews do not have a Gospel or an equivalent because of differences in belief about prophecy, scripture, and Jesus.

TenQ:
That was not the question sir.
What we are saying is that the Talmud was written by non prophets AND they are WRONG.
But your prophet copied them while telling lies that it was Jibril!

Could Jibril have made such a blatant ERROR that the baby resemblance is a function of who ejaculates first?



A child is ADOPTED only because there is no biological relation to the parents. They become CHILDREN of the parents by Legal Pronouncements. So, if Joke Silva is Adopted, she is a Child of the Parents because they are not related by blood.

You say, Islam does not cancel ADOPTION!
So, why can you ask a Muslim man marry the Wife of your Son (by Adopted)?



This was why Mohammed was indeed an illiterate!

The sperm and ovum each contain 23 chromosomes, which are haploid sets. These 23 chromosomes include: 22 autosomes (non-sex chromosomes) that are the same in both sperm and ovum 1 sex chromosome (allosome),

Autosomes are the 22 pairs of non-sex chromosomes inherited equally from both parents, carrying thousands of genes responsible for a wide range of traits such as eye color, height, and susceptibility to diseases

Therefore, it is NOT who ejaculates First between the man or the woman BUT the mix of the thousands of genes chromosomes in the specific Ovum and Sperm.

Your prophet was WRONG!
It was a lie that Jibril told him this ERROR!


You find the Qur'an verse disgraceful!?
I can understand!
Can you please give me your own translation of
Qur'an 33:37
And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah


I do perfectly understand!
When something is Left out of a copied document, it cannot be said to be perfectly preserved. When things are abrogated from the copied document, it cannot be perfectly preserved! When memorisers forget parts of the original, whatever you have cannot be perfectly preserved.

It is simple logic sir!



The question was:
So, tell me why your God gave the name of the book given to Jesus a Greek influenced name?

Well that's your problem being that Jews consider the Talmud as essential to Jewish law and religious practice. Particularly important for interpretation of the Torah.

Glad you realise the act of adoption doesn't confer biological relations.

Facial features like nose shape, eye spacing, lip fullness, etc. are influenced by many genes spread across several chromosomes hope you have enough understanding of how exactly the one that manifests cones to be?

Did you not requote Quran 53:19-20 to display your habitual mischief? You're now trying to parry by speaking of a verse in Surah Ahzab.
Is there a lie here?

And He [i.e., Allah] has not made your claimed [i.e., adopted] sons your [true] sons. That is [merely] your saying by your mouths, but Allah says the truth, and He guides to the [right] way. Call them [i.e., the adopted children] by [the names of] their fathers; it is more just in the sight of Allah. But if you do not know their fathers, they are your brothers in religion…" (Quran, 33: 4-5)


Do you expect Allah to speak in incomprehensible terms?
In reality though which of the four Gospels was written or documented while Jesus was alive? Absolutely none.