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Explore2xmore:
There appears some verses in the Bible that say reincarnation doesn't occur.
Hebrews 9:27 - "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

Yet Jesus is said to say Elijah had come but wasn't recognised. Matthew 11:10-14.

Where was Elijah said to have come?

Then he is also said to come again at the end of the world.


Attn: Fxmasterz,SirTee15,Malcom1x,Maxindhouse,Mightysparrow,MrPrevailer,and all who can shed light and knowledge about this.

Definitely the belief that Elijah would precede Jesus is backed by important Jewish texts, including Malachi 4:5-6, as well as interpretations in rabbinic literature such as Seder Olam Rabbah and Yalkut Shimoni. Together, these sources confirm that Elijah plays a vital role as a forerunner to messianic fulfillment.

Sadly Christians pull gargantuan interpolation
in the New Testament, especially in Matthew 11:14 and Matthew 17:10-12, for their Jesus messiah unaccepted by his fellow Jews to connect John the Baptist to this prophetic expectation, indicating that John fulfills Malachi’s prophecy regarding Elijah’s return when this is not the case.

Not to forget a further wild goose theory that this will still happen in future.

SIRTee15:
another complete nonsense.
as usual, when they are stuck, muslims deny the source of the information and start shouting its corrupt. Now he has thrown the hadith under the bus.
just imagine disparaging Aisha mother of believers and calling her a liar.
FYI, Aisha is the source of that hadith, she was the one who told us Muhammed's death bed confession.


Muslims should be last people to call others Idolaters. People who cant pray to their Allah except they bow down to a black stone in arabian peninsula.
If that is not the perfect definition of paganism, then I dont know what else it could be.



Oniro.
Is this not what u wrote earlier today

Does the hadith specifically say the poison is still in his body? Where are narrations stating he felt this pain before this hadith?

demanding the absurd from me. After I reset his brain, he's now changing mouth.

There you go again.

Is asking you to tell the arabic word used for aorta in the hadith and the Quran equal to throwing the hadith away?

Indeed you know too little about Islam, Muslims and prayer to conclude that bowing in a direction is what prayer in Islam is about. Can you pray to God directly without going through Jesus?

So as a medical expert you don't know that
the human body primarily expels food poison through vomiting and diarrhea. These processes act quickly to remove harmful substances and activate immune responses to fight off infections.

In many instances of food poisoning, symptoms typically diminish after a period of hours to days, depending on the specific pathogen involved, as the body effectively clears out the toxins and pathogens. Recovery includes replenishing lost fluids and nutrients.

Where are narrations that support this happening to the prophet after eating the poisoned lamb?

Where is the change?

Is exposing the absurdity of your argument when you refuse to answer what you know that the arabic word in the hadith and quran for aorta are different now change?

I ask you other questions to reveal your error to you.

You mentioned hypothetical food poisons and its clearly shown how these cannot be the case and you are pathetically anxious as you have been exposed?

Know what you want to bring in your mock apology to question the truth of Islam.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jesus COMMANDED his disciples to love and pray for their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} so if you're saying different religions disobeying that order are all his followers simply because they claims so then there is no reason trying to separate your Allah from other gods all are deities and the worshipers are all THEISTS keep whatever your Allah says aside whoever claims he or she is worshiping god is for your Allah!

Your Jesus commandment to love one’s enemies is a fundamental principle of the Christian faith. However, historical events show that enmity and violence have arisen among believers for various reasons, such as misinterpretations of teachings, cultural influences, the inherent tendency of human nature towards conflict, and the impact of socio-political contexts.

So regardless of your personal desire or delusion these killings occur.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jesus COMMANDED his disciples to love and pray for their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} so if you're saying different religions disobeying that order are all his followers simply because they claims so then there is no reason trying to separate your Allah from other gods all are deities and the worshipers are all THEISTS keep whatever your Allah says aside whoever claims he or she is worshiping god is for your Allah!

You should feel sorry for yourself haven forgotten your Bible has Jesus clearly stating that his kingdom is not of this world.

Throughout history, different Christian denominations have committed acts of violence against one another or against those considered heretics. The Inquisition serves as a notable example, where people faced persecution for their beliefs, resulting in torture and execution.

In modern times, conflicts involving Christians can be observed in various geopolitical situations where religious identity overlaps with nationalistic or ethnic tensions. For example, civil wars or sectarian violence in areas like Northern Ireland or certain parts of Africa frequently see Christian groups on opposing sides.

advocatejare:
Nonsense as usual, so are you saying that Muhammad didn’t know what he was saying when he ascribed the sickness that killed him to the effect of the poisoned food he ate at Khaibar?


The only thing that prevented him from dying immediately was the fact that he spilled out the poisoned food immediately he chewed it and noticed that something wasn’t right with the meat probably from its taste but despite that the effect of the poison was still felt on his uvula.

Those that died immediately are those who swallowed the meat


Sahih Muslim 26:5430
Anas reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger ﷺ with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him (Allah's Messenger). (When the effect of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the affects of this poison) on the uvula of Allah’s Messenger.

Anas felt the effect not the prophet himself? How? Can you feel another persons Uvula by looking?

MaxInDHouse:
All these is meaningless to a neutral person as long as you claim there is an unseen supernatural being somewhere your definition doesn't matter to any neutral person but when your god is able to remove weapons in the hearts and hands of adherents that's going to make a lot of sense to whoever is concerned because that will make your god stand out not just your claims of monotheism or polytheism.

I am directly chatting with you so it is very relevant to you.

SIRTee15:
I'm not going to waste my time with a medical illiterate who had no idea what is food poisoning despite good attempt at educating him.

Even a 10 year old knows better than to consume a tiny sip of acid as a one off.
It's effect on your esophagus and stomach can be permanent damage for life.



U do t know how contradictory U are beginning to sound. In your bid to exonerate your Prophet from his death bed confession, U end up calling him a LIAR.

Muhammed said the poison is still in his body cutting through his aorta and U here telling me to find the hadith that says the poison is still in his his body 3 years after he swallowed it.

Muhammed said the poison he consumed 3 yrs b4 is still in his body and U here telling me Muhammed is wrong. Instead U insisting the poison had left his body!!!!
[s]You claim the poison has left Muhammed's body while sick on his death bed, but Muhammed is saying otherwise. Muhammed said he's suffering from the poison in his body[/s]

One of you must be lying. Either you or Muhammed.

U see how desperate attempt to defend your Prophet is turning U crazy. Continue at the end, everybody go dey alright.

The very height arrogant grandeur. Simply tell us the words used for aorta in the hadith and the Quran?

1. Does hadith contradict the Quran?
2. If it does which take precedence?
3. You make a silly example of a 10 year old feeling the immediate effect of sipping acid and forget one of the hadith you and your mischievous ilk rely on talk about a companion immediately feeling the poison effect and dying?
4. Why was the consumption of the poisoned meat not stopped before this?
5.Why did the prophet continue to receive revelation after this?
6. Why did he and was he able to embark on long journeys, battles and pilgrimage after this?

It is natural for you apologetic liars.

You will surely find that the most intense of the people in enmity toward the believers are the Jews and those who associate others with Allah

I extra highlighted the lies you try to push on me. Is this how you lie to people you falsely claim to attend to medically?

SIRTee15:
So why did Muhammed say he still felt the poison in his body 3 years after eating it.
And I already told U Muhammed didn't die from food poisoning. U this clown.

Why did Muhammed lament that the poison he ate 3 yrs ago is still in his body and it's cutting his aorta.

Fake medical expert resorting to chatgpt?

From what you generated can you first show the immediate symptoms the prophet exhibited or any others he showed related to food poisoning in the years before the sickness from which he died?

When I say you are feigning medical jumbo to hide you only try to prove me correct

SIRTee15:
Arsenic, heavy metals, lead poisoning. Plant toxins like mushrooms poisons- amanita toxins, ethylene glucol.
A single exposure can cause injury to your organ depending on the concentration and dose U consumed.
Even one time consumption of industrial acid can cause irreversible damage to your gastric lying leading to permanent gastritis.
This damage can become irreversible leading to progressive damage to your organs leading to future complications.

You obviously don't know what U talking about. You punching far above your weight.

Now answer my question

Why did Muhammed lament that the poison he ate 3 years ago is still in his body and it's cutting through it's aorta.

Arsenic: Long-term low-level exposure leads to chronic effects, while acute symptoms arise quickly.
Was the prophet repeatedly exposed to arsenic poison over a prolonged period?

Lead: High-level exposure results in immediate symptoms, with chronic effects building up over time.


Amanita Toxins: Severe illness can develop days after ingestion, with a delayed onset.

Ethylene Glycol: Symptoms appear quickly, typically within days after ingestion.

Does the hadith specifically say the poison is still in his body? Where are narrations stating he felt this pain before this hadith?

For the umpteenth time as you show you have the means to what are the arabic words used for aorta in the Quran and the hadith?

SIRTee15:
A Christian brother called mightysparrow created a topic called Islam And It's Impacts On Modern Day Yoruba People.
Note This thread was created by a Christian and not a Muslim.
People will not believe that the topic has been moved to the islamic section where U have to say the Shahada before U can comment.

The question is why? How did a topic created by a Christian brother end up in the islamic section?.

The trend of the thread extended to whether Muhammed was killed by Allah because he was a false prophet.
I brought evidence from the hadith and Quran to support the assertion that Allah killed Muhammed by severing his aorta possibly because he was a false prophet.

No Muslim could refute my claim. All they yapping about was the so called richness of Arabic language and the pathophysiology of poison/aortic disease.

The challenge for muslims was why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

Next thing I noticed was they moved the topic to islamic section so that the topic could be killed.

If Muslims are embarrassed by their Prophet, that's their business not mine or any other Christian. But they shouldn't control a thread not created by them by bullying or intimidating moderators to move it to islamic section.

There was no blasphemous statement against Muhammed on the thread. Everything we Christians wrote was deducted from their books.

Above is criticism and not blasphemy. Muslims should learn the difference.
Criticising Muhammed is not the same as blasphemy against him.
Most matured Christians here don't even bother about mocking their prophet or anything like that. We simply point them to the truth in their own books which apparently Muslims don't like.

Muslims should stop behaving like cowards and learn to defend their prophet and their religion. If it's the truth, they should not be ashamed of it.

Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Here is what the argument is all about just to let all of u know this not a case of blasphemy or anything.

cc: MightySparrow TenQ ANTIlSLAM innotutorial FxMasterz advocatejare

For someone who isn't scared, embarrassed and feigning medical expertise by mumbo jombo identity the different words for:

1. aorta in the Quran and hadith

2. Show medically how a single exposure to food poisoning will kill the victim years after without showing any ailment except shortly before death.

It is medically improbable that prophet Muhammad pbuh died directly from food poisoning over three years after exposure to the toxin

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're a THEIST just like all others there is no need talking about what you believe all we need now is you're one of those claiming God or Gods exists!

In your dreams deceptive former Muslim that became a JW at odds with other followers of Christianity and Jesus.

Theism in Islam stands out from other theistic religions mainly due to its strict monotheism (Tawhid), the unique characteristics ascribed to God, a specific interpretation of revelation through prophethood, the distinct dynamics of the relationship between God and humanity, a divinely mandated moral framework, and its beliefs about judgment after death.

MaxInDHouse:
Concepts you say?
Naaaaaaaaah since they all claimed they believe in the supernatural we don't need to discuss about whatever concept they have all we need now is they all agree that there is the supernatural.
Does this mean you're on the same page with worshipers of Ṣàngó, Ọya, Ògún and Obàtálá?

Type of supernatural.
I don't believe in God begeting and you do.
Neither do I believe in a begotten dying for God to admit me to paradise and that is fundamentally different.

Besides you believe in existence of other gods alongside the almighty whoch Muslims don't and that is a fundamentally distinctive difference.

Explore2xmore:
You were asked a simple question to identify the word for aorta in arabic from the Quran and the hadith and you are here with repeated typing diarrhoea.

Is this your answer to the medical challenges you cannot defend?

Neither can you show any narration that he experienced any pain through the years after his poisoning? Is this the undeniable evidence you rely on?


On what you earlier said;

Explore2xmore:


Kindly indulge your educated ignorance and show evidence to suggest that chronic aortic dissection or aortic aneurysm can be directly caused by food poisoning.
Present examples of a singular case of poisoning that lead to death years post administration.

Present your paper to a medical journal if you like.


You wrote:
This is why I don't like debating non medics on medical matters.
What do you understand by food poisoning? Food poisoning is simply food borne illness caused by bacteria and their enterotoxins.
It's different from what we talking about here.
The Jewish women added a toxic substance called poison to Muhammed's food. That's not food poisoning....ok.

So many toxins in the body can predispose to aortic dissection e.g nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide and plant poisons.

Muhammed himself said he started having agonizing pain since he was exposed to the poison from the Jewish woman.
He said he feels like the poison is severing his aorta. Muhammed simply described how he felt.

You are not there to say Muhammed description of his pain is wrong. He was the one in pain and described how he felt.

The question should be why did the Prophet of Allah described himself dying in the same manner Allah had said he would die if he's ever caught lying?

SIRTee15:
Now to your response. First let's get some things clear.

1. Allah made it clear in the Quran if Muhammed is ever caught lying against him, He would grab him and kill him by SEVERING HIS AORTA.

2. On Muhammed's death bed, he confessed his pain feels like his aorta is being severed.

3. Muhammed said the pain from his aorta started
since he ate the poison from the Jewish woman 3 years earlier.
Let's get one thing clear, [s]Muhammed may be wrong or right about the cause of his pain. [/s]But we do know is that he died a slow, agonizing and painful death which he attributed to aortic pain.

How did Muhammad die?

Allah himself may have directly severed Muhammed's aorta and allowed it to leak slowly, thus the chronic aorta pain he had.
Allah may prolonged the half life of the poison Muhammed ate thus allowing for it's sustained exposure in his body and enough time to cause damage on Muhammed's aorta.

It's even possible Allah used another pathophysiology to damage Muhammed's aorta and may not even be related to aortic dissection or the poison at all.

The crux of the matter is did Allah fulfil his warning by making Muhammad die of aortic pain ?

Hadith are not scientific books, they are historical documents. Directly applying scientific methodology is not applicable.

But what is applicable is the spiritual and theology understanding of the document.

Allah said if Muhammed is ever caught lying and making things up. He will kill him by severing his aorta.
Muhammed confessed on his death bed that the pain he's having is like his aorta has been severed.

The question U and other muslims should answer is why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

That's the bigger question.

Extremely simple Mr Medical expert present cases of food poisoning that have taken over 3 years to kill their patient.

You listed some compounds that can predispose to aortic dissection but fail to show that this occurs when they are chronically used. Is a singular ingestion at poisoning equal to this?
Single exposures to nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide, or plant toxins may not directly lead to an aortic dissection.
Stop hiding under illusory medical expertise and show exactly how.

The prophet did not continually complain of pain after the poisoning though apparent reference was made to it as he neared his passing. Bring other narrations between the poisoning and his illness before his death unless you now claim he took ill immediately after the poisoning?
Your art of deception is marvellous when you can't answer or refuse to answer questions clearly asked

I had informed of a metaphoric statement regarding the crossed.

Tell me how a singular medical exposure will take over 3years to kill a patient without any ailment seen during the period since ingestion?

MaxInDHouse:
Great!
So next time don't speak against THEISTS since all THEISTS are on the same page!

Definitely not as so called theists have different concepts of the almighty God.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

So called adherents just as an atheist will take you the same way he takes ògún and ṣàngó worshipers after all you're all THEISTS to him claiming you believe in God/Gods.

At least you accept that the so called adherents of your Jesus also kill. You too are a theist aren't you so you are very well included.

Excellent!

SIRTee15:
You Muslims are cowards. Imagine U people ran to mods to take the topic Islam and it's impact on modern day Yoruba people to your hideous islamic section.
Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Now to your response. First let's get some things clear.

1. Allah made it clear in the Quran if Muhammed is ever caught lying against him, He would grab him and kill him by SEVERING HIS AORTA.

2. On Muhammed's death bed, he confessed his pain feels like his aorta is being severed.

3. Muhammed said the pain from his aorta started
since he ate the poison from the Jewish woman 3 years earlier.
Let's get one thing clear, Muhammed may be wrong or right about the cause of his pain. But we do know is that he died a slow, agonizing and painful death which he attributed to aortic pain.

How did Muhammad die?

Allah himself may have directly severed Muhammed's aorta and allowed it to leak slowly, thus the chronic aorta pain he had.
Allah may prolonged the half life of the poison Muhammed ate thus allowing for it's sustained exposure in his body and enough time to cause damage on Muhammed's aorta.

It's even possible Allah used another pathophysiology to damage Muhammed's aorta and may not even be related to aortic dissection or the poison at all.

The crux of the matter is did Allah fulfil his warning by making Muhammad die of aortic pain ?

Hadith are not scientific books, they are historical documents. Directly applying scientific methodology is not applicable.

But what is applicable is the spiritual and theology understanding of the document.

Allah said if Muhammed is ever caught lying and making things up. He will kill him by severing his aorta.
Muhammed confessed on his death bed that the pain he's having is like his aorta has been severed.

The question U and other muslims should answer is why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

That's the bigger question.

You were asked a simple question to identify the word for aorta in arabic from the Quran and the hadith and you are here with repeated typing diarrhoea.

Is this your answer to the medical challenges you cannot defend?

Neither can you show any narration that he experienced any pain through the years after his poisoning? Is this the undeniable evidence you rely on?


On what you earlier said;

Explore2xmore:


Kindly indulge your educated ignorance and show evidence to suggest that chronic aortic dissection or aortic aneurysm can be directly caused by food poisoning.
Present examples of a singular case of poisoning that lead to death years post administration.

Present your paper to a medical journal if you like.


You wrote:
This is why I don't like debating non medics on medical matters.
What do you understand by food poisoning? Food poisoning is simply food borne illness caused by bacteria and their enterotoxins.
It's different from what we talking about here.
The Jewish women added a toxic substance called poison to Muhammed's food. That's not food poisoning....ok.

So many toxins in the body can predispose to aortic dissection e.g nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide and plant poisons.

Muhammed himself said he started having agonizing pain since he was exposed to the poison from the Jewish woman.
He said he feels like the poison is severing his aorta. Muhammed simply described how he felt.

You are not there to say Muhammed description of his pain is wrong. He was the one in pain and described how he felt.

The question should be why did the Prophet of Allah described himself dying in the same manner Allah had said he would die if he's ever caught lying?

SIRTee15:
You Muslims are cowards. Imagine U people ran to mods to take the topic Islam and it's impact on modern day Yoruba people to your hideous islamic section.
Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Now to your response. First let's get some things clear.

1. Allah made it clear in the Quran if Muhammed is ever caught lying against him, He would grab him and kill him by SEVERING HIS AORTA.

2. On Muhammed's death bed, he confessed his pain feels like his aorta is being severed.

3. Muhammed said the pain from his aorta started
since he ate the poison from the Jewish woman 3 years earlier.
Let's get one thing clear, Muhammed may be wrong or right about the cause of his pain. But we do know is that he died a slow, agonizing and painful death which he attributed to aortic pain.

How did Muhammad die?

Allah himself may have directly severed Muhammed's aorta and allowed it to leak slowly, thus the chronic aorta pain he had.
Allah may prolonged the half life of the poison Muhammed ate thus allowing for it's sustained exposure in his body and enough time to cause damage on Muhammed's aorta.

It's even possible Allah used another pathophysiology to damage Muhammed's aorta and may not even be related to aortic dissection or the poison at all.

The crux of the matter is did Allah fulfil his warning by making Muhammad die of aortic pain ?

Hadith are not scientific books, they are historical documents. Directly applying scientific methodology is not applicable.

But what is applicable is the spiritual and theology understanding of the document.

Allah said if Muhammed is ever caught lying and making things up. He will kill him by severing his aorta.
Muhammed confessed on his death bed that the pain he's having is like his aorta has been severed.

The question U and other muslims should answer is why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

That's the bigger question.

You are simply despicable. You quoted me but edited my content?

What relevance is this?
My original post from when?

Explore2xmore:
There appears some verses in the Bible that say reincarnation doesn't occur.
Hebrews 9:27 - "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

Yet Jesus is said to say Elijah had come but wasn't recognised. Matthew 11:10-14.

Where was Elijah said to have come?

Then he is also said to come again at the end of the world.


Attn: Fxmasterz,SirTee15,Malcom1x,Maximdhouse,Mightysparrow,MrPrevailer,Tenq and all who can shed light and knowledge about this.

MaxInDHouse:
WHO?

You are fighting to deny that despite a claimed belief in Jesus killing and fighting still occurs among the so called adherents.

MaxInDHouse:
After Jesus anyone fighting to kill people is not a worshiper of the true God!

The truth is they are still fighting.

SIRTee15:
This is why I don't like debating non medics on medical matters.
What do you understand by food poisoning? Food poisoning is simply food borne illness caused by bacteria and their enterotoxins.
It's different from what we talking about here.
The Jewish women added a toxic substance called poison to Muhammed's food. That's not food poisoning....ok.

So many toxins in the body can predispose to aortic dissection e.g nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide and plant poisons.

Muhammed himself said he started having agonizing pain since he was exposed to the poison from the Jewish woman.
He said he feels like the poison is severing his aorta. Muhammed simply described how he felt.

You are not there to say Muhammed description of his pain is wrong. He was the one in pain and described how he felt.

The question should be why did the Prophet of Allah described himself dying in the same manner Allah had said he would die if he's ever caught lying?

Extremely simple Mr Medical expert present cases of food poisoning that have taken over 3 years to kill their patient.

You listed some compounds that can predispose to aortic dissection but fail to show that this occurs when they are chronically used. Is a singular ingestion at poisoning equal to this?
Single exposures to nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide, or plant toxins may not directly lead to an aortic dissection.
Stop hiding under illusory medical expertise and show exactly how.

The prophet did not continually complain of pain after the poisoning though apparent reference was made to it as he neared his passing. Bring other narrations between the poisoning and his illness before his death unless you now claim he took ill immediately after the poisoning?
Your art of deception is marvellous when you can't answer or refuse to answer questions clearly asked.

MaxInDHouse:
You're mixing things up Mr Muslim after Jesus of Nazareth has come to establish preaching and teaching globally any religion supporting war is no longer on God's side. So if you know any religion whose members are part of the worldly forces such ones aren't followers of the Christ who commanded his disciples to love and pray for their enemies! Luke 6:27-28

According to your Islam there was a time your Allah have nothing against some things but due to misuse of privileges your god will send words to your prophet telling Muslims to stop such things so don't be hypocritical now the Bible God supported wars to protect the Holy city (Jerusalem) and the temple which is the representation of pure worship back then but from the very day Jesus declared that pure worship is no longer about a geographical location {John 4:24} worshipers of the true God knew that there is no reason to pick up weapons against their neighbors.
WHY?
There is nothing to protect again using weapons {Matthew 26:52} even their very life is safe in the hands of the God who promised them a resurrection {Matthew 10:28} but as for those thinking weapons will save them let's see how long they will protect it from death! Matthew 10:39

You mean the cases I listed were before Jesus came?

MaxInDHouse:
So were worshipers of this God fighting and killing their fellow worshipers?
Of course that's ongoing dispute between light and darkness back then so there were people on God's side while there were those on Satan's side.
At least you can mention those on God's side in the Bible can you tell me those who are on God's side today?

Ignore your history like St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, Cromwellian conquest and the
the Ku Klux Klan that has used Christian language to rationalize their violent actions against Catholics and other non-Protestant communities.

Besides why does your god turn a blind eye to your alleged people of light being killed by the dark?

SIRTee15:
I think U should take your own advice.
The highlighted is ignorance in display.
Pls read chronic aortic dissection and aortic aneurysm...then come back and swallow your vomit.

SIRTee15:
Do U know how poisoning works?
Have U heard of lead or arsenic poisoning?
So U don't know exposure to poisons causes long term complications in the body ?

Kindly indulge your educated ignorance and show evidence to suggest that chronic aortic dissection or aortic aneurysm can be directly caused by food poisoning.
Present examples of a singular case of poisoning that lead to death years post administration.

Present your paper to a medical journal if you like.

MaxInDHouse:
And that God approves worshipers killing one another while the do called one God watches shey?

Ọmọ if your religion can't help resolve issues causing division, disparities and killings among worshipers know today that it's not the God of Abraham but a demon pretending and lying to deceive you!

Vain angle isn't this?

Your Bible talks of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, John the Baptist and other prophets killed or do we refer to the disciples/apostles of Jesus? What did the Biblical gods do about these?

SIRTee15:
U are being clever by half.
Muhammed admitted to poison inside him.
He confessed to his wife that the poison is killing him.

How is the poison killing him?
He said it's like his aorta is being severed. So what is the aorta is being severed?

Muhammed cannot be talking metaphorically because he mentioned a physical substance inside his body that his killing him.
He admitted there is a poison inside of him killing him.
That is not a metaphor my friend.

Try harder.

So in whole 4 years the body will not have excreted the poison? This is not a lodged arrow or bullet wound.

SIRTee15:
If Muhammed had said he's feeling unwell and it seems like his aorta is being severed, I will understand that could be a metaphorical statement.

But Muhammed mentioned a physical substance inside his body is killing him.
He now described how that physical substance is killing him and u telling me that's a metaphor.

Common man, the only reason U are extricating Muhammed is because U are a Muslim.
Nothing more.

Your dislike and bias against Islam becloud your logical reasoning. You are able to do research and should clearly show a single slow acting poison will take 4 years to kill someone in 7th century Arabia.

Medically, the cutting or rupture of the aorta leads to immediate death. The Prophet lived for years after the poisoning at Khaybar, indicating that the reference was figurative.

If you use blind emotion to think please keep at it and may it satisfy you. Simply identifying the word used for aorta in the Quran verse and the hadith you hold strongly to has proven to high above your intelligence.

SIRTee15:
I'm not a native Arab speaker so I'm not going to indulge in irrelevant linguistic argument.

Aorta is an organ in the body and we only have one.
Saying the meaning of aorta in the 2 sentence is different is saying there are 2 organs in the body named aorta.

And that makes no sense because there's only ONE ORGAN IN THE BODY CALLED AORTA.

Muhammed and Allah are both referring TO THE ONE AND ONLY AND SAME AORTA IN THE BODY.
If U think otherwise, then prove it.

You are far smarter than what you have written. Is the aorta the sole vessel that poses severe implications to life?

The Prophet pbuh employed metaphorical language to convey his suffering, which does not suggest a literal cutting of the aorta besides this is not actual translation of the arabic word used.

It is common to use vivid metaphors to describe severe pain or distress in arabic.

MaxInDHouse:
Your Islam didn't teach you liberalism and how to discuss with patience so you're free to end the discussion anyhow you like but know today that the Bible's message isn't about one God rather there are many as in MANY GODS that people throughout the earth worship each God is being worshiped based on their attributes.
The Bible God claims to be the only true God that's why He is doing certain things to prove that all others are nothing before him.
As for your Allah it's just one of the MANY GODS but claiming to be the same as that of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
It's not just claims we need to figure out the one and only true God rather the true God must do certain things that no other can do that's what the Bible God promised and all the false GODS including your Allah has been trying to hide that truth from you diverting your attention to lies.
When you care to know what the Bible God promised which no other gods can do i'm here to enlighten you!

Fundamentally you have stated the existence of different gods for different places and people hence it's best to logically leave you to your beliefs. I believe in one God that created and sustains all things.

SIRTee15:
Why did your scholars translated both words as Aorta?

Whatever the translation please point out the arabic words then we can look at the reasons for translation

MaxInDHouse:
The message must be taken to the whole world for a witness against them that they had the opportunity to know the only true religion {Matthew 24:14} but only humble people will accept it just as it happened in the days of Noah!

God wants everyone in the world to hear about His coming government and the goodies that will come with it but it's left to each person whether you will accept or not.
The lie Islam is telling you is that prophets in the Bible are just talking about one God but that's not the truth!

When your done turning logic on its head?

So you confirm the truth that the Bible is of many fake gods ?

Good to see you show yourself.

We have nothing to discuss more so your colleague in discussion dissociate Christianity from a monotheist one God

MaxInDHouse:
The visit of astrologers in Jerusalem shows that a foretold King has been born and since the king at that time wasn't pleased with the news himself and his cohorts buried the case even though it led to the death of many children in Bethlehem Ephrata! Matthew 2:16
When things happen in politics most of you will think it just happened but politicians know what they are trying to cover up from the masses.
So the birth and life of Jesus surely affected the Israelites even though politicians are bent on hiding it from the people. Act 4:18;5:28


NO! God's word never said the whole world should accept him because that is not possible it has always been only a few people that used to be saved! Luke 17:25-30
This is not Islam where people should be forced to accept what they don't understand Jesus sent his own disciples to go and visit neighbors in their homes PREACHING (PLEADING) with them to calmly listen in order to grasp what is happening {Matthew 28:19-20} he never expected people in large numbers to accept him that's why he said his disciples will be persecuted and of course minority can't persecute the majority nah it's only the majority that will persecute the minority! Matthew 24:9
So it's not by force that you accept the Christ as your King after all you don't know why but as for humble people they will understand! Matthew 5:5 compare to Zephaniah 2:2-3

In your Acts 5:28 they filled Jerusalem with their teaching which includes Jesus is the Messiah?

Still the Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah or the Jews are not of Jerusalem?

God never said the whole world and you are surpassing this to take this message to the whole world? ? ?

Stop spinning please

SIRTee15:
Are U kiddng me!!! U better don't go there or else I will bury U.
Someone is dying and said it feels like my aorta is being severed.
Allah said he will kill Muhammed by cutting his aorta.
Common sense will tell U aorta in both sentences mean the same thing.

The AORTA is the biggest blood vessel in the body and main artery that sustain life.
Severe it and death is knocking on the door.

There can be no alternative meaning to this word aorta in both sentences. They both mean death by cutting off main blood vessel in the body.

Only LIARS will want to extricate Muhammed from the embarrassment he found himself.
U better be careful and don't end up like Muhammed.
God hates LIARS. HE'S STILL IN THE BUSINESS OF SEVERING AORTA OF LIARS.

What words are used for aorta in arabic and the hadith?

SIRTee15:
Do U know the difference between 'Messiah' and 'The Messiah'

What U defined up there is messiah.
Now go and look for the definition of THE MESSIAH- Al Mashiah

Maybe your Bible should clearly show me this difference. Can you point me in the right direction?