₦airaland Forum

soundtruth:
it's baffling why some Igbo's are hell bent on erasing the culture of the diverse ethnicities in the Niger Delta, it will not work.

You people just talk absolute rubbish. Are you not the one erasing ethnic identity with this Niger Delta nonsense, a mere geographic term? if you're trying to say the attire is from a specific group just come out and say it and stop hiding behind "Niger Delta" like you have no identity.

1shortblackboy:
1. Etibo is not an igbo attire 2. What wale wore is not an etibo. Looks more like a wokor. Yet its not a wokor. 3 igbos know this but but some igbos are on a mission to erase d differences between themselves and d groups in d niger delta

Please, what the fuck is the "Niger Delta"? Is Imo and Abia not classed as 'Niger Delta' states? If you're referring to a specific ethnic group, not nonsense terminology, then be clear about it, otherwise you just look like an agitating agitator.

oluwalfa:
African sun is wicked

Hating yourself pass wickedness. Mumu.

imhotep:
And the CNN report?
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/01/world/africa/nigeria-jews-igbo/

Now you're just joking, carry on.

imhotep:
And the Nigerian coin with the star of David?

"The use of the hexagram in a Jewish context as a possibly meaningful symbol may occur as early as the 11th century, in the decoration of the carpet page of the famous Tanakh manuscript, the Leningrad Codex dated 1008. Similarly, the symbol illuminates a medieval Tanakh manuscript dated 1307 belonging to Rabbi Yosef bar Yehuda ben Marvas from Toledo, Spain. A Siddur dated 1512 from Prague displays a large hexagram on the cover with the phrase, "He will merit to bestow a bountiful gift on anyone who grasps the Shield of David.""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David

imhotep:
And the Nigerian coin with the star of David?

What about the Nigerian coin? Oh, let me finish your thought please: the British knew about the sacred "Jewish Igbo, sorry, Heegbo (Hebrew)" people and were leaving clandestine messages and hidden illuminati symbolism to taunt them about their great western ancestry and civilisation for a cabalistic and occultic and masonic ritual where they harness the Jewish powers from the oblivious and largely ignorant black Igbos.

Okwi ya?

imhotep:
Why not visit his website http://www.hebrewigbo.com/linguistic.html and see other things he has to say.
That the throne was reconstructed in modern times does not invalidate his claim.

That's even bigger nonsense, he just compared words with similar sounds without any etymological dissection, you can do that with any language, especially when Igbo is related to so many languages in west and west central Africa.

imhotep:
Definitely, you are arguing from "personal incredulity".
This is the weakness that pervades your arguments.

Do you have eyes:

https://www.hebrewigbo.com/uploads/1/6/1/8/16182720/1377799400.jpg

Are you trying to convince me that I should take somebody seriously that calls this the "throne of king Gad" from over 2000 years ago that's built with Dangote cement??!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S7MR52wJK8

Becomrich, long time, krase man, how market for Empire nke Western Naijeriya?

imhotep:
He has written a number of books on this matter.
Why not engage his writings, because it seems to me you are arguing only from personal incredulity.

I don't need to taste a load of shit to know that it tastes like a load of shit. Anybody who is saying anything like "Obu Gad" while showing us pictures of a recently erected shabby cement shed with a funny looking cement "throne" and claiming this is where the 'Great Gad' foraged and birthed the Igbo people should be laughed at and not taken as anything else but a fraudster and a charlatan. But this is Africa where a white mans word carries the most weight no matter what is being said and for whatever reason, so I'm supposed to be in awe and shocked and surprised and doing shoki because he is 'interested' in using brainwashed Igbo mumus as a meal ticket. Like how we praise God when a white man does something as mundane as learn an African language or does something 'cultural' as if for the entirety of our lives we're not trying to be as European as possible and as if European languages aren't killing off African languages. E Yo!

As I have said repeatedly, there is no evidence of any Middle Eastern origin of the Igbo people, not in culture, not in language, not in generics. Anybody saying otherwise should try writing children's books.

imhotep:
Ok. What fraud do you accuse him of ?

Concocting lies about Judaism in Igboland and upholding the lies of the king of Aguleri, misleading gullible Igbo people who know very little about their own history and who are swayed by their Judeo-Christian upbringing.

imhotep:
The fact that you disagree with him does not automatically make him a fraudster.

But he's still a fraudster. Or is it because he's white I should be honored that he would be 'bothered' with twisting and fabricating nonsense about 'Igbo culture'?

Okay, my question now is even if your were Jews or birthed the Jews or have a similar culture to Jews, why is it you Igbo people then insist on cursing the names of your forefather and their religion and run into demonic pentecostal churches and blasphemous imperialistic Anglican churches created so that an English king can legally divorce, and pedophilic Roman churches? Concocted religions white people made up to conquer people with. Why do you worship the idol and image of a white skinned blonde haired and blue eyed man who never mentioned your forefathers or of whom we're not even certain existed talk less of being a messiah (if you're a Jew, then Jesus is not your messiah) and why do you adhere to a book written thousands of miles and years away from your sacred land? Why is it you insist that your entire culture stops from being transferred to your children, and why do many of you swear that you will give your children useless foreign names you don't know the meaning of?

If your ancestors were sacred and you're a 'Jew', in fact, even if you aren't a Jew, why aren't you running back to the religions and cultures of your ancestors just like the Jews who were scattered across the earth did when they returned back to Israel. Are you aware of the fact that 200 years ago Hebrew was a dead language only theologians spoke? Do you know the Jewish people went back to Israel and revived the language and culture of their ancestors? Have you ever heard a Jew pondering about their possible origins or relations with Igboland?

Ask yourself these questions and then ask yourself why you're so die hard to be a Jew.

What do you think about the identity of being 'black'? Is it something you think about or are affected by in your day to day life? Is it something you choose to identify with or something you just have to go along with. In case your may be confused, the 'black' identity is a product of European imperialism and the people who called certain members of the human race black identified themselves as white. Before this nobody called themselves 'black'.

What I am to achieve with this thread is to see how people who are not affected by white people directly in Nigeria or even of Nigerian ancestry/identify more with Africa, how do they see themselves in relation to a 'black' identity? I always thought it was forced and didn't really mean anything for people in Africa who already know their ancestry and can relate to specific ethnic groups. It's to the point that many don't think of being 'black' at all.

What do you see yourself as?

This is what happens when you are a slave to westerners. Useless Europeans or is it Amirikans.

coolestrogue:
Its because you are lady I laughed oooohhh, next time you make such a boring joke I won't spare you.

Coolu tempa.

Kenya is not his home country, it's his ancestral country.

seunmsg:
Big shame he wouldn't be visiting the giant of Africa. Someone should please tell Obama that if he hasn't visited Nigeria, he hasn't seen Africa.

Giant of gini?

Ihuomadinihu:
The issue is that the oral tales that were first encountered by European expenditionist have been used to replace the history of the entire breath of Igboland. If Owerri people,for instance pushed their mythology do you think any one will be talking about Nri versions?

It's only on the internet and maybe in some unpublished works that people over exaggerate and place power on certain things. People in the villages have kept their own oral history mostly well which is why I'm baffled at all this talk of Nri basically establishing everywhere.

Ihuomadinihu:
The problem i have with ancient ''Eastern Nigerians'' is the lack of proper documentation on scrolls or something similar otherwise we wouldn't be dealing with whose myth is more supreme/original than the other.
Nsibidi system of writing just couldn't survive beyond the cults.

I think writing being superior to oral history is a myth. Most of the ancient scrolls aren't honest and many only account for royalty and aristocrats and so much of them have been lost, which is harder to do with oral history. Without oral history individual families probably wouldn't have knowledge of individual history.

OfoIgbo:
To me there are similarities, but that does not mean that it is empirically proven.

As I wrote earlier on, further research is needed to
1.show there is a relationship
2. Show whether they came from us or we came from them.

Remember I asked you to furnish us with a link for the results of such a research

As others have said, I think this is a massive distraction and all this energy can be expended on the thousands of years of history in Igboland and the missing patches of time between them. Looking for a link with Israel, I think, is presumptuous and would only bring out misleading results. As I said before, the Israeli people are not bothered about any Igbo link, so why should the Igbo people be bending over backward for such a far fetched theory that is losing ground every day?

Ihuomadinihu:
For now,the links are similarities in culture and way of life. I wouldn't push away the idea that they probably came from the same stock. Genetically, Igbos and other Niger Congos and Nilotes have older genes. In terms or archeology,there are sites that reveal the existence of people many years ago. It's not out of place to say that people have migrated in and out of West Africa in ancient times. There is need for proper investigation,what i don't like is this reference to Gad etc cos of Judeo-Christian awareness and influence. Could it be that Jews migrated out of Igbo land? Or the first Igbos forgot their source of origin? That is for the researchers to investigate.

Sure, groups came in and out of Africa, but my objection is why a study should be placed specially on Igbo-Israel links when there are some many more solid links between the Igbo and other people in Africa. There are similarities between Igbo culture and Ancient Greece, the Pygmy peoples, their immediate neighbours, and a number of other people. I this would be a good side project, but I think the energy should focus on what happened in Igbo land without presuming and Israel links. It just seems to me that Israel is being put on a pedestal and people are trying to connect to Israel instead of honestly trying to find out the roots or migrations of people in what is now Igboland.

OfoIgbo:
Do you kmow that a thousandnyears ago that Igbos were not up to a million, assuming we are about 40 million now

Do you also know that the IgboUkwu findings which is linked to Umu-Nri was dated to have been there since 900AD.

Have you also considered the possibility that the Nri hegemony could have started hundreds of years before this IgboNkwo findings, afterall this findings were in an Nri outpost of Ora-Eri.

it is a pity that the Nris did not keep a written and gazetted records and occurrences and times

But even with an overstretched record of kings, the person called Nri and who founded Nri lived around the 10th century at the earliest, so Nri hegemony can't exist before it actually started. This information is from the kings list from the Eze Nri at Agukwu's website. I can't believe that a lunar calendar system came from Nri, or at least was solely developed by Nri people.

I highly doubt the Igbo calendar started in Nri, or at least, the merely 1000 year old state called Nri. But back to the point: there's no (direct) link between the Igbo people and Jews and Judaism.

They can't even remember or get their own concocted story right.

Anyway, let's get back to the main point, there's no (direct) link between the Igbo people and Jews and Judaism.

shachris02:
you must be really daft If you didn't know That's he's talking about appoinments. National policies is for all regions in Nigeria.

Then what on earth are you talking about? Whose the daft one here? You're trying to argue that intranational partiality in a presidency is actually acceptable or even a beneficial thing. Where did you get that from?

shachris02:
I just watched the clip.

What I can deduce from what buhari is saying is this;

POLITICS IS BUSINESS.

It should be about the people first But you can never rule out the business sides of politics.

You Don't give Nothing and expect everything.... politics is capitalist.

You Don't stand in the sun, get beaten, get abused, some even get killed for their candidates; and when this candidate wins, you expect him not to appreciate you and your region in a more special way than people that abused him, stoned him, and even threatened to kill him.

C'mon now we are all humans.

The naked truth is, There is no way buhari would not favour those that put their lives and limbs at risk to make sure he succeeds.

My one cent.

This is just dumb Nigerian sense. The purpose of becoming a president is to lead your entire nation to success, this means you develop all parts of the country. You desire to become a president not to abuse power and rule over people as the country becomes your personal property, the country is not your personal property and elections are only there to hand over the obligation to whoever the majority deems fit, it's not a poll on who is "on your side" or who is "your people", as soon as you're president of a country all of its citizens are supposed to be under your watch. It's you obligation. Being a president is a hard job because it's (supposed to be) a selfless one. It's only in Nigeria I've heard this nonsense that it is fair to be partial to parts of a country when it is you job to do all you can as a president to lead the nation as a whole. Everything else people say is complete shit.

imhotep:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8WWqIuURGo
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Why are you replying me with this fraudster?

naijaking1:
No need to worry about Hebrew being a Hebrew word, many reasonable people will certainly see the similarity of those 2 words or sounds.

Wat?

1toRtoiSe1:
You want the 2nd class citizens to die

We're waiting for you first. Name it please, so they can leave you dry.

This is a full blown war now.

OfoIgbo:
Secondly I never said or wrote that Igbos are definitely Jews. All I can admit at the moment is that there are wide ranging similarities in the cultures. That was in fact, why I was less than complimentary in my remarks regarding the Aguleri claim.

The similarities in the culture provide enough grounds for further research. Perhaps genetic research should be applied to find out the following
1. Are Jews related to Igbos?
2. If we are related, which group birthed the other?

Before British colonisation there was no knowledge of any Israel or Jewish origin anywhere in Nigeria. I've told you that the so called cultural links are very generic and can be found in cultures around the world and Igbo people have had their genes analysed and there is no relationship with them and the Middle East, in fact the Igbo are unsurprisingly closely related to people around them, there is no single trace of genetics from Israel, such that has been found in other ethnic groups confirmed to have Jewish ancestry like the Lemba people and Ethiopian Jews. We're trying to tell you that are many communities in Igboland that not only recognise Nri, but are completely oblivious to who they are or what their history was, therefore how can a people be the cornerstone of Igbo cultures when they are so diverse and so many?

Even if all you said about Nri were true, the point remains that the things Arochukwu introduced later on became more relevant to the communities they influenced, such as ekpe and okonko. Still, Nri influence from just 1000 years ago does not inform us of the origin of the Igbo people, if that is what you're getting at, because there is evidence of cultures that have existed in Igboland thousands of years before Nri.

This is one of the reasons why I hate this Jewish link theory, you people don't actually realise that you are belittling yourselves by attaching your origins to a people that are not only younger than you but received the information for them to build their civilisation several millennia after you. One such sites of this knowledge in Igboland can be found at Lejja in Enugu State where the Iron age started before anywhere else, meaning there were a group of people smelting iron before Israel was even thought of: http://www.i360limited.com/tour-nigeria/south-east/enugu/lejja-iron-smelting-kingdom-i360-virtual-tour-nigeria

There's a number of other archaeological evidence of civilisation in Igboland thousands of years before Israel or Judah.

OfoIgbo:
My replies have been via a small screen phone with problemz so I findnit incredibly difficult to edit and review my writings before posting.

I meant circumcision on the 8th day. I don't think Hausas practise it. At least so I have been told.

Ezeagu, the european scientists that ran their tests on the kids confirmed there was no trace of albinism.
Secondly, ICHU AJA is totally different from IKPU ALU. During IKPU ALU, the animal is not killed. This is scapegoating like the Jews.

Now getting back to the language thing. One is bound to be influenced by the language patterns of ones neighbours. That doesn't mean one is related to the neighbour. The realities of proximity and the likelihood of interacting with your neighbour over centuries starts to create commonalities, but still that doesn't mean you r related. Intermarriages and cultural mingling may of course bring that relationship.

If you cannot prove to me that there were Intermarriages and cultural mixing between the Hausas and the Jews, then I don't see any reason to believe they r relatdd to the Jews.

I have already told you about the verifiable facts of Eze Nri and Eze Aro attending functions and who then had to perform certain rites.

Btw, Nri people refused to cooperate with Europeans during the slave trade era, as they felt it was immoral. That was why Nri seemingly declined. In fact at some point Eze Nri Enwelana 1 placed a curse on a well known Aro slave merchant known as Okoli Ijoma.
Aro people had no such moral standards to uphold and that was the start of Igbo sabos that are now all over the place.
You see, the Europeans empowered the Aros by giving them guns in exchange for human cargo, thus they chose to betray their Igbo brothers by selling them into slavery, thus amassing more guns with which to intimidate their Igbo brothers.

This same pattern of behaviour persists, which was why we had the Ubah brothers in Anambra who for a while, used their connections with Obasanjo to intimidate Anambra people before the people chased them out and adopted an Igbo-controlled party. We all remember Ukpabi Asika and his reign. Exactly the same pattern. The Okorochas, igwe of Aba e.t.c

"While doctors have said Nmachi is not an outright albino, or lacking in all pigment, they added that the child may have some kind of mutated version of the genetic condition — and that her skin could darken over time."
http://nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/

As for Nri hegemony, there are many communities that have never heard of Nri, you're list of Nri influence contains practices that are limited to Anambra area and Anioma, and as Ihuomadinihu said there are many Igbo communities whose markets were not set up by Nri people.

"If you cannot prove to me that there were Intermarriages and cultural mixing between the Hausas and the Jews, then I don't see any reason to believe they r relatdd to the Jews."

But your bases of the Igbo-Jewish link is on loosely similar cultures like circumcision on the eight day that's also practiced by some other Africans. I'm talking about an actual fact that the Hausa through linguistics are closer to the whole of the Middle East, do you know even the so called gene and ancestry that define Jews can be found in some populations of Arabs? There is no genetic evidence that ties Igbo people anywhere else but Africa.

B69U:
We know our religion before colonialism was Judaism.

I just wish you Jews would move to Israel and see what they do to you.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2015/05/05/thumbs/p01-150505-a6.jpg

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/israeli-man-from-the-ethiopian-community-bleeds-after-news-photo/472084398