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Mme, ntoh!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5PfxFw6YFM

https://www.happehtheory.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Japanese_Insult-Female.jpg

The old Japanese language sounds so much like Igbo. (Did the child say apapa, groundnut? Lol.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn1VaremXV0

Old practices: Twin killing in old Japan and Igboland.

Science: Japanese Twins

"Anthropologists have long suspected that in Japan twins are born less frequently than among whites. Confirmation has been difficult because Japanese mothers believe that to bear more than one child at a time is a bestial act, frequently try to hide multiple births by separate registry of offspring, even by infanticide. Investigators Taku Komai and Goro Fukuoka of Kyoto Imperial University pierced this veil of obscurantism, sifted hospital figures and midwives' records, found that Japanese twins are indeed scarce: One pair in 160 births, as against one in 87 among U. S. whites."
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,770452,00.html

does this sound familiar?

"In West Africa’s pre-colonial period, the Igbo people believed twins were a bad omen. Single births were considered “human,” but multiple births belonged to the realm of animals. When a mother delivered two healthy babies instead of one, the parents would leave one newborn to die in the ojoo ofia (“bad bush”) outside the town, or simply suffocate one."
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/274844/twin-killings-are-back-nancy-french

"The representation of Igbo peoples as practitioners of twin abomination is very much part of a historical process in which missionary and colonial interest in twin killing as a sign of African atavism played a significant role. This article explores the historical record for information about twin abomination and twin murder, taking into account the paradoxical nature of twinship not only for Igbo-speakers but for the missionaries who wished to convert the Igbo and stamp out what they called "the demon superstition."
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3773886

AME-NO-MINAKA-NUSHI-NO-KAMI

"The highest deity of the shinto pantheon and the first to emerge in Takama-No-Hara (the plain of high heaven) when heaven and earth were fashioned. He was born alone, reside in the ninth heaven and has always hidden himself from mortal eyes. A remote and vague figure of whom no images are ever made and toward whom no cult is directed. His name only appears once in the Kojiki and never in the Nihongi. Originally his identity may have been strongly influenced by Chinese religion. His name is linked closely with those of two other lesser primordial beings, TAKA-MI-MISUBI-NO-KAMI and KAMI-MISUBI-NO-KAMI."
https://books.google.com/books?id=aqDC5bwx4_wC&pg=PA14

does that sound familiar?

The High God: Chineke

“Chineke molded the world; then Eke divided the world. Eke came out of the hands of Chi, so they became the same. They are the same mother. It is like the creation of the world: the world is one. That is the way Eke came out of the hands of Chineke. But they are the same.
If it were only for the hands of Chineke no one would die a violent death. It is Eke who divided the world and after that people died in power [probably transliterated from ‘ọ́nwụ́ íké’, literally meaning “powerful death”, but metaphorically a painful suffering death]. Eke is the tricky one who portioned out these things. Chineke is straight and long, and he [no gendered pro-nouns in Igbo] made the lives of the people upright and good. Eke played this trick we are now inside.” [in notes: (Parts of creation stories related by the cult priest of Afo at Umuoye Etche)] [Igbo group in southern Imo, northern Rivers states of Nigeria].
[Cole:]
Chineke (or Chukwu) [in notes: (In many parts of Igboland, as in Owerri, the high god is also called Chukwu, an ellision of chi and ukwu (“great”), but in Owerri Chineke is the more common usage.)] is the creator, the high god. Though distant and not the object of images or direct sacrifices in Owerri, he is often addressed by name in prayer and does receive offerings indirectly. He knows what people are doing but does not himself intervene or punish. The etymology of his name suggests that he is both a deity and a concept, for “Chineke” is a contraction of chi, na (“and”), eke: chi apparently meaning “god” or “soul”, with eke approximating “creation” or “division”. Chi and eke are also personifications, as suggested by the quotations above and the words of another informant: “Chi and Eke represent male and female. Chineke—I don’t know if he is a man or a woman. He is up, up, up, and we don’t see him.”
Herbert M. Cole. MBARI: Art and Life among the Owerri Igbo (1982). p. 54. Indiana University Press.
http://talesofthestarshipregeneration.tumblr.com/post/71320668007/the-high-god-chineke

Let's start with spirituality, the pantheon of gods in Japanese Shinto is quite similar to the Igbo gods, in fact you can find counterpart deities with similar powers and even back stories, and even Igbo sounding names.

The first and obvious one is

Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajisukitakahikone

"The Japanese god of thunder, one of several. He was born noisy, and when grew up he became even more noisier. To quiet him, the gods carried him up and down a ladder (this explains the approaching and receding sound of thunder)."

And he's related to the goddess of the sun Amaterasu
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/aji-suki-taka-hi-kone.html

does that sound familiar?

Amadioha
"Amadioha ("free will of the people" is a God of thunder and lightning. He is known as a god of justice who speaks through thunder and strikes with lightning. He is often associated with Anyanwu, the Igbo goddess of the Sun. Oaths are often sworn to him, which can carry deadly penalties when broken."

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Amaterasu
"Amaterasu (天照?), Amaterasu-ōmikami (天照大神／天照大御神?) or Ōhirume-no-muchi-no-kami (大日孁貴神?) is a part of the Japanese myth cycle and also a major deity of the Shinto religion. She is seen as the goddess of the sun, but also of the universe. The name Amaterasu derived from Amateru meaning "shining in heaven." The meaning of her whole name, Amaterasu-ōmikami, is "the great august kami (god) who shines in the heaven".[N 1] According to mythological stories by the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki, the Emperors of Japan are considered to be the direct descendants of Amaterasu."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaterasu

does that sound familiar?

Anyanwu
"Anyanwu (Igbo: Eye of the Sun) is an Igbo goddess that is believed to dwell in the sun. Anyanwu was one of the principal spirits for the Igbo, often associated with Agbara, the holy spirit as they both dwelled in the sun. This deity was seen as the perfect image of what a human should be.

Anyanwu is a surname given to people the Ibo, Igbo ethnic group in Nigeria."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anyanwu

"Amongst Ndi Igbo, the Sun was referred to as Anyanwu (An-yan-wew). This is a combination of two different words. The first word, anya means eye. The second word, anwu, means light. Together, the phrase reads as “eye of light.”"
http://igbocybershrine.com/2011/08/17/anyanwu-the-eye-of-light/

My main reasoning for starting this thread is to demonstrate that two completely separate cultures can have have striking similarities which could be cause by a variety of reasons. We could use these similarities and start wacky theories like the popular one we have for Igbo, but Christian stories isn't set in Japan so that probably won't happen.

DikeOha882:
Ours is made of big stones that has been for decades. We call it Mkpume (stone)Obodo (Ama)

Oh, and if ever get a chance, maybe you can take a picture and post it here.

DikeOha882:
Ours is made of big stones that has been for decades. We call it Mkpume (stone)Obodo (Ama)

Thanks a lot.

zendy:
It truly beats my imagination that in this 21st century, a genocidal killer like Murtala can actually be hailed a hero. How is it that this mass murderer can have landmarks such as an international Airport named after him? Why is his face on the national currency? How can such a "Cauldron of evil" like Murtala be granted any form of praise or recognition even though everyone knows the atrocities he committed? Just incredible!! A man who personally superviced the killings of thousands of people is a hero? Tufiakwa!!

You're forgetting the country you're talking about.

amaben2020:
a detribalized Nigerian

https://vimeo.com/71894404


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEaX9lVVrCM

Truly, this is the testing ground for the Eastern unity incentive, and congratulations you're all passing so far.

Except one is attempting the blow the whole of Nigeria up and the other is a tabloid.

[img]http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2014-02-20/feat_nigeria09__03__630x420.jpg[/img]

feldido:
So na u sabi something Abi?
Will a normal person do such?

I already showed you several people who become millionaires for "such".

LKO:
Guy, if u meant SS and SE, kindly remove d SS. The people of SS are peace loving and good Nigerians. Since after d election, dey have been sincerely hoping and praying for d govt of Buhari. It is only d SE that has been crying wolf when there is none. The SE are wise, they are instigating d SS militants to call for war, thereby turning d SS to a war zone while their own land remain peaceful and intact. This is wickedness and evil.

I m Urhobo and lives in Warri(d base of Tompolo) and I can authoritatively tell u dat my Ijaw neighbours are not happy with GEJ. GEJ failed and there is nothing to show for his over five year destruction. GEJ only succeeded in turning few militants like Tompolo, Asari etc E K Clark and his Igbo ass lickers to billionnaires. How does this affect d lives of d average Niger Deltans. Jonathan indeed took imputinity to a new high level in Nigeria.

Tompolo is a noise maker and can do nothing. The reign of Jonathan made Tompolo a multi billionnaire. Tompolo would not be so naïve to loose his investments in a twinkle of an eye by going to d creeks to cause trouble. Take his threat with a pinch of d salt and ignore him.

Sorry, but how does this concern the southeast Igboland? You'r Urhobo, are you that insecure that you can't speak for your own people instead of a non-existent Niger Delta identity?

OfoIgbo:
The list of Nri kings is not exhaustive. Again because we kept no records, much of the Eze Nris have been forgotten. The ones listed are those remembered by the Agukwu elders who had to recall the ones they remember. The job would have been a little better if they had spent some time querying elders from Enugwu-Ukwu, Enugwu-Agidi and Nawfia also.
In fact if you take closer look at the periods of their reign you will notice that they seem unrealistic in places.

I can even point out an error in the list.
1. Eze Nri Menri - first son of Eri
2. Eze Nri Ifikuanim - last son of Nri Menri

But for some reason the Agukwu elders merged two.

I had also initially informed the readers that IgboUkwu used to be known as Igbo-Nkwo. Even the name of the town places it within the Nri sphere of influence
However the major blow to any claim from IghoNkwo is that even Prof. Shaw acknowledged the fact that the land in which the royal tomb and the various artefacts were found, belonged to Oraeri which remains an Nri outpost. They lost that piece of land after a war/invasion by the neighbouring IgboNkwo. This fact was confirmed by both IgboUkwu and Oraeri elders in the immediate aftermath of those discoveries, so any attempt by modern revisionists to twist it will fall like a pack of cards
Also the Agukwu people seem to have forgotten that there's another brother town that is now extict known as Oruora

You kept records, they were oral, let's stop this we kept records thing as an excuse because we know well that these Nri kings came from families who have descendants today, or at the least people who were affiliated with those family's. Each family keeps records, that's how it works in societies like the Igbo. The kings list Onwuejeogwu did not make any reference to any missing kings, in fact, it gave very detailed accounts of each kings rule and the conditions of their death.

Yes, Igbo Ukwu may have been in lands formally owned by Oraeri, but that still does not solidify the claim the Igbo Ukwu findings are part of an Nri dynasty, it could have been left overs from a civilisation before Nri, and many of those items were probably made by people in Awka anyway.

[color=orange]What is the point of pointing all this out?[/color]

People who create art have been called 'mad' and stupid and a nuisance by ignorant people for a long time, don't be surprised when this guy gets noticed by some white people and shipped off to gallery's in the west where he'll possibly make millions.

Nigeria's do not value anything if it ain't food or money or nyash.

Jean-Michels artwork now goes for nothing under 1 million dollars, Jay Z popularly bought one of his pieces for upwards of $4 million (over 800 million naira).

https://cdn.hiphopsince1987.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/jay-z-purchases-a-4-5-million-dollar-painting-by-jean-michel-basquiat-HHS1987-2013.jpg

Jean-Michel's artworks were also exhibited in gallery's.

https://www.artquotes.net/masters/basquiat/untitled-82-skull.jpg
https://annieferris.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/jean-michel-basquiat.jpg

SAMO was later revealed to be a young man named Jean-Michel Basquiat, who later become in association with Andy Warhol and entered legend status after he died in his 20s (from drugs).

https://www.blog.stripart.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/basquiat.jpg

More by SAMO in the 80s

https://www.6sqft.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/SAMO.jpg

This is by the artist SAMO in the 80s.

https://blog.soton.ac.uk/rcs/files/2014/12/Graffiti-SAMO-de-Jean-Michel-Basquiat-nos-anos-80-Estados-Unidos-31.jpg

Banksy's wacky art has been accepted into the art world and he's been exhibited in art gallery's around the world.

https://www.themiamiartscene.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Banksy_Lazarides.jpg

This is an example of messages in graffiti in London, it's suspected to have been created by the famous artist Banksy.

[img]http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/resources/images/4036761/[/img]

ckenneths:
Is he mad, or just a little imbalanced upstairs?

Bigcake:
For this guy to know about Hezbollah a perceived terrorist wing in Lebanon, then his madness, if at all he is mad is of grade one.

SouthernBreeze:
Op the guy don litter PH wit him various incription, even me dey wonder dis kain mad person. He looks like Ameachi thoughh

feldido:
So finally we don catch am... This guy has been doing this since the early 90's, I heard he's a mad man... But seeing him now, I don't think he is.

feldido:
Honestly I believe he's mad...

Any time someone does something different in Nigeria, they're mad. What he's doing is a public art from known as tagging, it's popular throughout the world and although it was initially seen as vandalism, and still is somewhat today, the art form has birthed many famous artists and it has become more appreciated. Let me educate you 'local' people.

Lovesdaisied:
I understand that it is how I am viewed in modern society but I have stopped attaching much to it (used to but not anymore). I am more of an individual of Igbo origin than anything else. Being Black is just a happenstance, a label that I hope will be obsolete one day, as "Yellow" or "Red" is for Asians and Native American.

Identifying myself as black does two things:

1. What you already said - It spins off a racial classification given to us by White enslavers as something powerful when it really isn't. "Black" in and of itself is a European word imposed on us and within its context has a lot of negative connotations. The average African did not really see himself as Black, left to his own devices.

2. It creates a weird racial dichotomy of "us vs them" where the only enemies of a Black individual are Whites or others. As an Igbo person, I know how contradictory this myth of White oppression is to my current realities. Whites have not done more harm to my people than others who I should be viewing as "fellow" blacks. Dig deep and see that "Black" is an illusion.

"White" people have killed and oppressed each other even before they encountered us too.

Honestly, this race thing is just an additional opportunity for humans to exercise their proclivity for conflict and division.

That's a good point, plus the classification of black is very diverse, maybe too diverse.

OfoIgbo:
But even with an overstretched record of kings, the person called Nri and who founded Nri lived around the 10th century at the earliest, so Nri hegemony can't exist before it actually started. This information is from the kings list from the Eze Nri at Agukwu's website. I can't believe that a lunar calendar system came from Nri, or at least was solely developed by Nri people....EZEAGU

10th century estimate was derived decades before the IgboUkwu findings.
Of course the IgboUkwu findings have shifted the goalpost further back in time. Those 19th century European anthropologists and historian knew the Nri civilisation was an ancient one, based on the information they were getting from locals, but chose to err on the side of caution by assigning a10th century estimate.

If they had the advantage of the knowledge of the IgboNkwo findings, I'm sure they wouod have factored that in their estimates, thus drastically and considerably moving the date back a few centuries, possibly down to the 5th century. Around this time, Igbos will probably be numbering just about five to ten thousand people or possibly less.

However as things stand, there is no need or urgency for the Nris to revise the estimated date of 10th century afterall, all the potential competing civilisations are centuries younger than Nri, much the same way Usain Bolt will slow down on approaching the 100m mark, as his competitors are miles behind him

I was referring to European estimates, I was referring to the kings list as per Nri customs as published by Onwuejeogwu, it's a very sketchy list and some researchers have suggested that Nri started in the 13th century instead because the kings on the Nri list had too much of a suspiciously long reign. Stretching that further to the 5th century would mean giving each king something like 100 years of rule each which is unbelievable. Again, Igbo Ukwu isn't confirmed to be part of the wealth of the Nri state, even if it may have influenced it or was part of its establishment.

carnegiefan:
ezeagu please explain to me how the "Iko" practices are widespread in Igboland. In fact show me which Igbo clans where it is widespread.
Also convince me that women were allowed to willingly choose not to marry (even if not forced on them by their fathers who couldn't have male children).

I will stand to be corrected.

I'm not a teacher. First of all ask yourself what do the words 'iko' and 'enyi' mean in a pre-20th century Igboland. After that ask yourself who Ahebi Ugbagbe is.

If you're still lost, try: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=igbo+iko+sex

Which yields results like:

"There is no emphasis among the Igbo on sexual services being exclusive and confined to husband and wife. All that the culture demands is that sex be institutionalized. Iko mbara is one such institution."

The Igbo, as seen by others, F. Chidozie Ọgbalụ 1988

and:

"Suffice it to say that Igbo law of the family did not have the same categorical view of the limits to sexual activity within and outside marriage as it did under the laws of the Christian Church."
New Dimensions in African Linguistics and Languages, Michael J C Echeruo, 1999
https://books.google.com/books?id=ETWcs9nplAEC&pg=PA296

or:

"The iko practice is a sexual tolerance that spreads all over the Igboland and some parts of Nigeria."
The Igbo family life and cultural change, Starling E. Nlemchukwu Anyanwu, 1976

maybe:

"Going beyond the various influences of colonialism, religion, and modernity is crucial in understanding Igbo sexual attitudes prior to their assimilation of norms that were designed to instill passivity in women and constrain their sexual autonomy."
Sex from Plato to Paglia, Alan Soble, 2006
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IMTEiTtqqPcC&pg=PA39

You can look for more under 'iko mbara' if you want, there's plenty.

amtalkin:
That the reward for success and hardwork

That Obama half sister did she use charcoal on her face?

Thank God she wore a white jacket.

Abeg don't call me a racist

You're not a racist, you're useless black African.