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How do guys expect to look for virgins and free sex at the same time?

I read it again, and I'm still not understand. They invited him to celebrate him? What?

What? This makes no sense. ? ? ?

proudlyhandsome:
Lol @ this gibberish.

Someone ll just wake up and start writing rubbish.

In simple sentence, SE should hold on to south east and leave south south people alone.

Why are you forcing yourself on these people?

If you're not from the east then you're in the wrong place.

I think there should be a completely separate Igbo language forum.

This is depression. It's a symptom of psychosis. But, if you want to call it a spiritual attack, go ahead.

Good. It doesn't really matter which party, as long as they integrate the east and do their work with minimum disruption and looting (they will always take something, but let them be at least 'reasonable').

Bridges do not create hundreds of years of history and cooperation, how can Abia and Akwa Ibom be in separate regions, yet Akwa Ibom and Edo State are supposed to be one region. What makes Delta and Cross River 'South South' states, that doesn't make Anambra also a 'South South' state? That is why Nigeria has earned the title of a zoo.

Anyway, I'll stop now because a minority of people can make it look like there is strife or disunity where there isn't.

ocelot2006:
Is that so? 'cos last i checked, Aba has pretty much been cut off from Uyo due to the terrible roads at your end. STILL Uyo thrives economically. You do know that we share a border with Rivers state, right.

You do not share land border with Rivers, the borders with Rivers is through the Imo River, the same Imo river that the Abia and Akwa Ibom people still share and in times gone use to trade palm oil with Europeans.

I ask you again, does Sapele have more impact on Uyo than Aba does?

Let's see if it works.

Please, don't act like you wouldn't pour water if this was you.

SirShymexx:
Only Nigerians and maybe a few Africans take the movies seriously.

That's all it needs.

SirShymexx:
Lol. Don't even debate this with me cos I'm an hip-hop head and, I live, breath, eat, and sleep hip-hop.

NWA went platinum before even the first hip-hop was featured on a low budget movie in Hollywood. Hip-hop's popularity came with its notoriety. It started with the "The Message" by grandmaster flash and furious five. Then Public Enemy took it to the next level, and out of America with all their militant/pro-black songs, especially "Fight the Power." And by the time NWA came with "Fvck the police" - hip-hop blew beyond everyone's imagination. The press the genre of music got with the anti-government songs and notoriety is what put hip-hop on the map - not Hollywood. From there, the message went all over the globe, and black diaspora caught the bug. And it hasn't stopped since them.

The "gone hollywood" term came from the exploitation of hip-hop notoriety by major corporations...they tapped into the wealth it was creating, not the other way around. I believe the first rapper to appear in a movie was Ice Cube in "Boys N da hood" (then 2pac in "Juice", and that was a low budget black film by John Singleton (a black director). And Ice Cube was already an hip-hop icon by then with NWA. So, where did Hollywood help come from?

And what did NWA do? Go and get themselves a Jewish manager. Hip hop wouldn't be the commercial power it is without those execs.

The point of all this is that the music industry has always been linked with theatre and then the film industry. Anyway, the music industry a separate discussion.

SirShymexx:
I don't do chest-beating. But if you care, there's a reason why Ibadan is listed as the next bi thing in Africa, by both Financial Times and Economists. Go figure.

Okay, if you say so.

SirShymexx:
Well, China projects soft power with its population - hence you have a China town in almost all major cities on the planet.

Yes, but its not the only driver, or even the main driver of soft power, like South Korean pop culture.

SirShymexx:
Nah, you were harping on about Nollywood being naij's non-existence soft power projection, when the industry has done more harm to the image of the country than anything else. The witchcraft thing is annoying. And all the primitiveness that industry projects.

alright, I know it's very easy to find articles about this subject, so. Witchcraft in Nigerian movies is a thing of the 90s, Nigerian films today are mostly cheap dramas and romance films.

SirShymexx:
Lmao @ the racist Hollywood helping in the growth of hip-hop when even professional black actors are more or less non-existent in the industry, up until recently. It's the other way around - Hollywood tapped into the growth/notoriety of hip-hop, by letting a few hip-hop grace the screen. Hip-hop grew on its own, without Hollywood.

Also, how many blockbuster Hollywood movies featured hip-hop artists?

Apart from 2pac - the two biggest selling rappers are Eminem and Jay Z. How many Hollywood movies have they featured in, if any? Eminem did his own 8-mile about his life, and what? Hollywood exploited hip-hop - just the same way they were all over DMX's d!ck when he was selling millions of records, and as soon as he stopped selling records, he was dropped lol. When was the last time you saw DMX in a movie? Hip-hop never need Hollywood and it will never need it.

The same people who market and groom musicians also have their hands in films. The people who have selected these artists, groomed Hip-Hop's image, and promotes them how they want are white men in board rooms. You're making it as if Jay Z or Eminem were signed and promoted by black corporations, they weren't. The Hip Hop that grew in the streets was already dying by the time the world latched onto Hip Hop, this is why the term "gone Hollywood" exists.

You just listed a bunch of artists that were in films run by Hollywood companies, who do you think advices them to enter these films.

SirShymexx:
Again: They made the call at the 2015 South East Business Investment Summit held at the National Theatre in Lagos. The summit was organized by the Imo State Government Liaison Office Lagos.

I don't do chest-beating.

As I expected, there are none.

SirShymexx:
Overflogged, and everyone who has been on NL since 2012 knows the truth cos it has been posted gazillion times.

Igbos are non-existent in the manufacturing/production sector in Lagos. The overwhelming majority of those companies are owned by Yorubas and Oodua investment, hence most of you still cry about Awolowo's indigenisation policy.

But then why can't you just quote a post?

macjive01:
Ezeagu, please igbos are not 30% of lagos.
as per last census, REAL raw data organised by APC led government of Tinubu, Igbos Esaterner produced 42% (initially 44%) of the accounted figure.

Economy:

Igbos control an over sized 65% of both trade and formal commerce, (excluding multinational and foreign companies )

Mine was a modest estimate, but Tinubu's data, wow.

SirShymexx

Your population = soft power thing is not viable.

I never said Nollywood was always positive, neither are any other major film industries. That only reason why you're harping on about it is because it's a major facet of Nigerian culture.

With your analogy of Hollywood, I can give you a timeline of how Hollywood had helped the growth of Hip-Hop worldwide, some of the most iconic Hip Hop artists, like Ice Cube, 2 Pac and even Queen Latifah, were also in films when hip hop was growing past America in the early 1990s, because the music industry and film industry are linked. Taking it way back, people like Elvis Presely and Marilyn Monroe were Hollywood icons who were also major music stars, or at least singers. Back further, many of the Hollywood films and musicals helped promote American music like blues and so on. The film industry promotes a culture and people will then grab onto the countries popular culture, including music, more.

I read the article, it is not an Imo State economic convention, if it were, it wouldn't focus in entrepreneurs. You didn't provide the trade summits of the other state.

SirShymexx:
Arguing the demographic of manufacturers is quite easy. I believe Lagos has a few industrial estates, hence manufacturing was listed as the biggest driver of its economy. We just need to list the manufacturing companies in Lagos, and what part of the country the owners and biggest shareholders are from. And the multinationals.
You and I know once we start doing that - Igbos won't even make 5% of the list. We have done it in the past.

Then what are you waiting for? Post them.

SirShymexx:
Lol. Igbos manufacture the bold? Where and how? When did Nigeria start manufacturing automotive parts? Food and Drink? Get the porky pies out of ya mouth - Igbos are non-existent in that industry. And most of the companies are either Yoruba owned or multinationals.

Nigeria manufactures automobile parts, from smaller companies to corporations. Is there a point of arguing about the demographic of manufacturers in Lagos? There's no way to prove the demographic, so what's the point.

SirShymexx:
The wholesale and retail can be distributed among all the ethnic groups. Err, you can give Igbos whatever percentage you want to Igbos in this sector, but that won't change the fact that it contributes little or nothing to Lagos' economy.

That doesn't sound so confident.

SirShymexx:
You're turning the discourse into a circus argument. And with the sentence in bold - you just deflated your own argument. If Jamaica's cultural influence the world over can't be described as soft power - why should Nigeria be different? The cultural influence didn't come from just reggae - it's primarily because Jamaicans are widely travelled, and they leave a cultural impact everywhere they go. Reggae/bashment/patois follow them everywhere they go - not the other way around. UK, US, and Canada are classic examples. And right now, there's a growing Jamaican population in Scandinavian countries, with the influence, slowing but surely creeping into that axis as well.

Nigeria's military power on the continent is grossly overrated - the country doesn't have a top-10 military on the continent. And an economic power that can create its own stamp outside the shores of Nigeria, is more or less a useless one. So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander

Because Jamaica isn't an emerging world economy. It's pretty obvious how Jamaica and Nigeria are different in terms of political importance. Reggae isn't growing in Japan because of a large presence of Jamaicans in Japan, that's silly. How many Jamaicans 'widely travel' Africa? An nation of 2 million?

SirShymexx:
Nah, the growth of Afrobeat is independent of Nollywood - the music industry grew with the growing population of Nigerians everywhere. The two aren't intertwined. And the re-awakening about Fela Kuti also helped a bit.

Nollywood grows in areas where there are few Nigerians. This hypothesis of moving populations being the way entertainment industries survive or grow is not even solid. The music industry is always linked with the movie industry, especially when the movie industry dwarfs the music industry. The re-awakening of Fela Kuti has nothing to do with the modern Nigerian music industry, you can't compare the quality and demographic of the two.

SirShymexx:
Well, the article stated that it was organised by the Imo state government.

Excerpt from the article again:

They made the call at the 2015 South East Business Investment Summit held at the National Theatre in Lagos. The summit was organized by the Imo State Government Liaison Office Lagos.

http://www.completenewsng.com/uschina-south-korea-woo-igbo-entrepteneurs-lagos/

It was organised by Rochas Okorocha through the Imo State Government, if you really want to convince me that it is an Imo State summit, then there's plenty of other coverage of the summit. The meeting was for Igbo traders in Lagos to invest in Imo State and was attended by businessmen representing the United States, South Korea and China. They know where trade is.

Now where are the Ogun, Oyo South Kore-China-America traders summits?

SirShymexx:
I made comparisons based on voting and population, no economy. Stay on point.

You cited Igbo winning a seat at the Lagos assembly in an area dominated by Igbos, and I correlated it with black people winning an MP seat in the British parliament, in an area dominated by black people. But how does that change the fact that both are still inconsequential in the scheme of things?

The thing is PDP is seen as an opposition party that has its power from people in the east. The queen did not fly off her seat for black UK people. That dynamic does not exist in the UK. You would have done better by making an analogy with Scotland maybe.

SirShymexx:
I made comparisons based on voting and population, no economy. Stay on point.

You cited Igbo winning a seat at the Lagos assembly in an area dominated by Igbos, and I correlated it with black people winning an MP seat in the British parliament, in an area dominated by black people. But how does that change the fact that both are still inconsequential in the scheme of things?

If you had the voting power and population in Lagos, why didn't you lot float an Igbo candidate, to test ya might?

The thing is PDP is seen as an opposition party that has its power from people in the east. The queen did not fly off her seat for black UK people. That dynamic does not exist in the UK. You would have done better by making an analogy with Scotland maybe.

SirShymexx:
Now, you're being pedantic. The discourse is about what sectors drive the Lagos economy since you have been touting Igbos as being the economic power of Lagos. Now that ya lies have been exposed - you're going off on a tangent again.

Erm, let me clown you: let's talk about food/agriculture - do Igbos dominate that as well?

Did the source you provided say anything about the financial sector being the largest drivers of the economy? I don't understand what you mean by food, when Nigeria imports food. The key word is 'import'.

SirShymexx:
Ezeagu

Breakdown of the drivers of the Lagos economy by the Lagos state government.

Interestingly, seven (7) out of the 28 Sectors emerged as major drivers of Lagos economy:

- Manufacturing - 29.60%,

- Road Transport - 26.47%,

- Building and Construction - 19.70%,

- Wholesale and Retail - 8.39%,

- Telecommunications - 3.71%,

- Financial Institutions - 3.51%

- Real Estate - 2.01%.

http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/images/pageimages/downloadfiles/docs/LAGOS_STATE_GDP2010.pdf (page 10)

^^^Which of these sectors is dominated by Igbos?

Good source. I'll leave the demographics of each industry to you.

Manufactures: The majority of the manufacturers create things like pharmaceuticals, textiles, automotive parts, and food and drink. These industries are helped in Lagos through its population.

Road transport is mostly a governmental thing and, like Building and Construction, is due to the population, throw 20 million people anywhere and the road transport would make a lot of money.

Wholesale and Retail? Why even bother?

SirShymexx:
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Is that necessarily a Nollywood thing, or the fact that Nigeria has a huge population, and Nigerians everywhere? As small as Jamaica is, with less than 3million people - there's no country in black diaspora without Jamaica influence, due to how widely travelled they're. The black urban English in the UK, is heavily influenced by patois. Ditto most US cities, with large Jamaican population, Canada, France, Germany etc.. So, does that mean Jamaican soft power, based on ya logic?

Also, Afrobeats and Nollywood aren't intertwined cos most folks who listen to Afrobeats don't watch Nollywood movies. I don't watch Nigerian movies, and I don't know anyone who gives half-a-fvck about it - but everyone that I know listens to Afrobeats cos they play it in almost every club out here now. And that has more to do with the growing Nigerian population in the UK - than Nollywood.

Reggae and Jamaican culture can be considered Jamaica's soft power, but since Jamaican isn't a massive power in other areas, it wouldn't be accurate to describe it as a soft power. Nigeria however has economic power on the continent and also military power. All of these come together to form the countries over all power.

Nigerian music industry has grown with the help/influence of the Nigerian film industry. The Nigerian film industry is much bigger and much more influential than the Nigerian music industry.

SirShymexx:
Stop going off on a tangent. In the article, it was clearly stated that the summit was organised by the Imo state government and they were invited. But in typical Igbo chest-beating way, you had to attach too much importance on an inconsequential summit.

Excerpt from the article:

They made the call at the 2015 South East Business Investment Summit held at the National Theatre in Lagos. The summit was organized by the Imo State Government Liaison Office Lagos.

This is not an Imo State or South East economic summit, this is '2015 South East Business Investment Summit' for Igbo traders in Lagos, hence why it's being hosted in Lagos.

SirShymexx:
Other states do have their own summits, whereby foreign investors are invited - how many of them attach chest-beating to it like you're doing with this one? I know of countless Lagos investment summits. Ditto Ogun and Oyo. But I'm yet to see them call it Yoruba Entrepreneurs being wooed by foreign investors.

So that means that means you can show me a traders summit in Oyo, Ogun, etc where international traders were represented?

SirShymexx:
But are Igbos indigenous to Lagos? And what economic factors are you alluding to, when Igbos are inconsequential in all the major sectors in the Lagos economy?



Economic - how? By small trading that's more of a nuisance than anything else, no? - hysterical.

List the major banks, industries, et al owned by Igbos in Lagos (don't include SS).

The fact that you're comparing the South West of Nigeria's economy to even London is laughable. The vast majority of people do not survive on the informal sector in the UK, people in Nigeria do. The vast majority of the UK has an income of an average of over $30,000. If you want to compare the black population of the UK who make up less 2% of the UK, to the population of Igbo who make up 20% + of Nigeria, and well over 20% of Lagos, you're going to have to add the economic factors, historical factors, and demographic factors which includes per capita income for this laughable comparison.

The major banks in Lagos do not feed people in Lagos, the lock up shops, mama puts and second hand wears is what 90%+ of the 20 million people in Lagos survive on. Without that, there would be nobody in Lagos, just like there's nobody in Abuja.

Evacuate everyone, including illegals?

SirShymexx:
Lmao @ Nigeria and soft power in the same sentence. What soft power does Nigeria have? You mean the same country that has about 70% of West African population, yet can't project any power whatsoever in the region - has soft power? Don't make me puke. Even Ghana is more of a regional power right now, than Nigeria is, in that region.

Err, let's say Nigeria has some vacuous soft power - I'd put the music industry as the source. Not a Nollywood that promotes witchcraft, primitiveness, and utter poor production/scripts. Folks just watch Nollywood movies for comic relief - a stain on Nigeria's image.

I don't have anything against Ghana, but for the sake of your argument, I don't know what the word for 'king' or 'God' is in Ashanti, I doubt most Nigerians can even name any cities outside Accra and Kumasi. Somebody in Rwanda right now is watching a film set in Owerri and about silly characters working in a mechanic shop, they know what 'igwe' means, they know what 'Chineke' means, and they can name more Nigerian celebrities than most Nigerians care to. These guys are contributing towards the Nigerian economy in some ways by watching these films online, or buying these films and keeping these guys relevant, therefore Nigeria has some soft power in that sense, and that's all the way to the Caribbean. Nollywood helps the Nigerian music industry, that's soft power. The music industry grew with Nollywood, it's not a coincidence. There is the power of the so called inconsequential industry.

SirShymexx:
Erm, a black MP won a parliament seat in area dominated by black people - how does that negate the fact that the black population in the UK is still a meagre 3%, and black folks are still inconsequential in the scheme of things?

This is the difference: http://www.completenewsng.com/uschina-south-korea-woo-igbo-entrepteneurs-lagos/

Plus the Igbo are indigenous to the country, and make up 30% + of the country, different economic, history factors to the UK, and so on...

SirShymexx:
And what's the correlation between a throne acquired indirectly via warfare from a rebellious leader pre-Nigeria, and folks trying to claim other people's lands just because they are allowed to live and thrive there?

The difference is that one group maintains imperial influence over you, and the other? Economic? Lol.

Gbawe:
You are dense. Why has 'commerce' not made them the number one regional economy in Nigeria and the region adjudged to have the potential to have one of the fastest growing economy in the world if it were a Nation? The Pakistanis control the corner-shop 'commerce' in the UK yet what does that mean in the grand scheme of thing when 10,000 of them combined are not as rich as even one of the Candy brothers or employ, pay and empower as many Britons as Richard Branson or Philip Green does? You guys will never get it because of your penchant for bragging wildly due to you perpetual desire to compensate for the inferiority complex you suffer from.

Are you asking me? Shouldn't you be asking the person that originally wrote the source you were very wiling to exhibit? Are we changing gear so soon?

edogirl2:
This idea that Igbos 'control' commerce in Nigeria is yet another chest beating nonsense that bears no correlation to reality.

If you say Igbos are dominant in trading, yes, one can let that pass. But 'commerce?' that's nonsense.


Igbos do not control Nigerian economy. Fact.

Why are you quoting me? Did you not see the part where I used somebody else's source to help educate them, or was this just your time to take the spotlight to bash the Igbo?

In case you didn't see it, here: https://www.nairaland.com/2261584/yoruba-plot-kill-ibaka-deep/4#32820180

Ara ga gba ndi ara

ocelot2006:
Akwa Ibom.

The that's even a bigger joke, because what happens in Uyo affects Aba economically, and what happens in Aba affects Uyo economically. Is it a lie? Does Sapele or Benin affect Uyo like Aba does? You're here forming regions that are artificial and inconsequential.

SirShymexx:
Where in my post did I "rely" on the overall GDP figures, apart from the Lagos GDP, which is plausible? Nollywood still has a long way to go, to be considered as a proper industry. The whole nollywood thing is like underground hip-hop - inconsequential in the scheme of things

It's very dubious to compare Nollywood to underground Hip-Hop when it's Nigeria's number one source of soft power. To deny that is to deny that Nigeria has any soft power at all.

SirShymexx:
Black people make up a meagre 3% of UK's population (I doubt we're upto that cos once you leave London, it's difficult to see black people anywhere else apart from a few other major cities), but we've black MPs who won elections in areas with huge black populations. However, how does that negate the fact that black people are still inconsequential in the overall scheme of things?

Other folks aren't as lousy, covetous, and aggressive as those from the Igbo stock. I guess that was why the King gave them a stern warning. You lot always overestimate ya importance, to be honest.

So Igbo politicians who won in well-known majority Igbo areas of Lagos has nothing to do with the population? It's just a coincidence? If the Igbo are covetous, then I wonder what the guys who dubiously installed a vassal king in your land should be called.

Gbawe:
Why do you guys enjoy wallowing in self-delusion to the extent of always disgracing yourselves and your ethnic group? Why always attracting opprobrium to your ethnic group because of your ignorant talk? We know you guys are indoctrinated from the womb to deny Yorubas any glory that meritoriously belongs to them but the garbage you put up there is ridiculous and a figment of your imagination which has been destroyed by the inferiority complex that feeds your delusions of grandeur to see you putting down others while greatly exaggerating your own worth.

Stop your delusional talk and note that the SW has the fastest-growing and number one regional economy in Nigeria. Begin questioning the lies they have told you from birth or prepare for reality to disgrace you in the information age we now live in. You guys are really beginning to irritate now with your prejudiced, unreasonable and hateful nature that predisposes you to telling so much ridiculous lies. Your open and disgraceful show of empty delusions of grandeur only makes me pity you and others. You are nothing but empty and delusional braggarts who think 4x4 shops, second-hand electronics and computer wares from China and petty trading is Dangote or Adenuga level. The reality is shown to you below if only you can ever defer to facts and reality.


http://www.gamji.com/article6000/NEWS7879.htm

Go back and read your entire source again. I told you why you cannot brag about Lagos in this particular instance for the south east, but I'll use your source anyway: "The South Easterners plus their cousins across the Onitsha bridge control commerce in all parts of Nigeria and are thus largely employed."

SirShymexx:
I'm only engaging you cos I think you're a tad bit smarter than the other Nigerian Jews I know on these sides. And we go way back from the culture section. So, stop trolling and spouting emotional retorts. Post facts and numbers.

The same reasoning will tell you that Nigerian numbers on the economy are also shaky, how can you dismiss the numbers on Nollywood and rely on the overall GDP figures?

SirShymexx:
Your Igbo leaders visited him, and he said whatever he said based on his own way. However, with the result of the election - isn't that a proof of how inconsequential Igbo are in Lagos politics?

As for ya question - I'm lost. Re-phrase it and make it clearer this time.

If they were inconsequential they wouldn't have won any LGA's at all. Did any of the other groups get invited to the palace, or did any of the other groups get faced with threats?

Hollywood is the biggest propaganda machine and the US biggest face of soft power, the United States government has actively spent money to help studios and to promote them Since WWII.

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
You bounce back to dominate what? You are still wailing, crying and throwing tantrums like spoilt brats over a sea port yet you say you dominate. what do you dominate?

The Oba of Lagos, who flew out of his chair for them, will tell you what they bounced back to dominate, okay?

People saying they will give Buhari the "GEJ" treatment if his doesn't perform in four years. While OBJ, IBB, and the old guard are surrounding him? Una go hear nwi!

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
Does this look familiar?

Yes, those are pictures of a genocide that was committed on a people who bounced back barely 30 years later to dominate the entire industry of their country. However, in 2015, that cannot happen again.

tobtap:
most of our eastern brothers are CLUELESS

Thank you for using "eastern brothers".

Game done change!

SirShymexx:
African Americans make up just about 13% of US population, and a lot of them can't vote cos they're ex-convicts and some aren't interested in the whole US shenanigans. But why do politicians always vie for their votes? Once you understand why, you'll see why despite how insignificant Igbo votes in Lagos are, politicians still need to vie for those votes to make up numbers. Heck, 1% can be a game-changer in any election.

The Nigerian movie industry is largely informal and inconsequential. All the numbers out there are just pure nonsense. A strong industry wouldn't need subsidy from the government in the first place. Does the US government subsidise hollywood?

The Oba flew out his seat for Igbo people, not Edo people, or Hausa people, or even Chinese, Europeans or Indians.

Are you asking whether the United States government has funded the biggest propaganda machine/soft power in the world?

omonnakoda:
If you leave a mound of akpu on a window it grows moldy and decays slowly. That same thing can happen to a human being too. To the mind. That akpu that was hot an appetizing once is now vile and repellent. Do well to guard your mind from decay.

Ehen, put that in your diary.