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Business / Re: Nigerian Naira Or Ghanaian Cedi Which Is Stronger? by faithin9ja: 3:12pm On Sep 14, 2012 |
ghettodreamz: It's quite obvious, US dollar is the Most strongest, Ghanaian Cedi is Strongest, Japanese Yen is Strong, and Nigeria Naira Poor owing to Nigeria's bad economy caused by political instabilities among other factors, topic for another day. So the Ghanaian economy is better or stronger than Japanese economy because it's 70 Yen to the Dollar and 2 Cedi to the dollar. Didn't the Ghanaian government just remove 'zeroes' from the old Cedi which was something like 10,000 cedi to one dollar and create the new Cedi, why doesn't our CBN just remove the 'zero' from the N160 to $1 and declare a New Naira at N1.6 to one dollar? Is it that easy? |
Business / Re: Nigerian Naira Or Ghanaian Cedi Which Is Stronger? by faithin9ja: 3:04pm On Sep 14, 2012 |
ghettodreamz: Below is the exchange rates as at the moment, bear in mind that exchange rates fluctuates every seconds. Us dollar is the highest on the below list, follow by Ghanaian Cedi, Japanese Yen and Nigeria Naira down below the list, God help our economy. Does this mean the Cedi is stronger than the naira and Japanese Yen? |
Business / Re: Nigerian Naira Or Ghanaian Cedi Which Is Stronger? by faithin9ja: 3:02pm On Sep 14, 2012 |
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Business / Nigerian Naira Or Ghanaian Cedi Which Is Stronger? by faithin9ja: 2:28pm On Sep 14, 2012 |
All the wahala surrounding N5000 note and use of coins in Nigeria. Lot of commentators keep talking about 'strength of currency'. Here's the question; which curency is stronger, Nigerian Naira at 160 naira to one US dollar or the Ghanaian Cedi at 1.9 Cedi to the US Dollar? Bear in mind that appox 78 Japanese Yen to one dollar, so the Ghanaian Cedi is stronger than the Japanese Yen? Your thoughts please |
Car Talk / Re: Nissan To Open Assembly Plant In Nigeria by faithin9ja: 2:10pm On Sep 14, 2012 |
grandstar: It does not make economic sense. Totally agree with you. This is just the usually rubbish sentimental clap trap that 'importers' come out with. About making factories in Nigeria. These factories will import 95% of the components and make rubbish quality vehicles in Nigeria, totally unnecessary. We should concentrate on 'niche' products for export and then use FX earned to import what we can't make. Moct countries in the world do NOT have car manufacturering plants and those that do these plants manufacture cars for export not just thier local markets. Why can't we manufacture windscreens or car seats or even windscreen wipers for export to other countries around the world? 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 5:14pm On Sep 11, 2012 |
oradee: Man, You comparing N5000 to $5000 they are NOT the same. You need to understand that basic economic fact. N5000 is $75 period. N5000 buy exactly(almost) what $75 buys. I asked you question yesterday; can N5000 buy a used car, of course not. but $5000 can buy a used car. N5000 is equivlent to 3 days work. $5000 is equivalent to 2 months work (yes, even in America) You need more lessons in exchange rates and value of money; 1 USD = 160 naira = £0.60 (UK) = 78YEN (Japan) = 1.90 Cedis (Ghana) According to which is the stronger currency? does that mean Cedi is stronger than the Japanese Yen? Solodu never made N1000 coins Soludo made one naira coins at a time when there were no goods to be bought for one naira. 'Big transactions such as paying your rent or buying a car pay by bank transfer, or cheque or even N5000 notes - is that so difficult?' You obviously are not reading my posts |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 4:07pm On Sep 11, 2012 |
oradee: My friend The market is a very powerful force which creates it's own laws with or without government intervention. In the 1990's as I said I used to buy tokunbo cars from Germany and Holland. We would change naira with Mallam in Lagos for Deustchmarks (DM) this was before the Euro. We would take 1000DM notes to Germany. We could only use these notes when buying our tokunbo cars, they did not accept the notes in fast food or petrol stations as the notes were too big and the sellers wouldn't have change. In my Nigerian ignorance in those days I would be arguing with them because i thought it was discrimination against me a blackman, until my German based Nigerians friends explained to me that those small sellers cannot change the 1000DM because of 7DM market. The same happens today in UK, if I spend £2 (N520) Nobody will accept a £50 note unless a very big shop. CBN is bringing coins and notes. Coins is for Ajah to toll gate bus fare, pay your conductor with N100 in coins or N50 depending on your drop. Just like I used to pay Molue drivers with 10 kobo. Even today would you give bus conductor or Okada man N1000 for a N30 fare? No. N5000 as I said before is when you are paying your landlord for one year rent instead of 'Ghana -must go bag' you hand over a small bundle of N5000 to cover maybe your N200k rent. N5000 will not be used as widely as N1000, N500 or N200. When you go into a bank in UK or US to withdraw depending on the amount the ask what denominations you require. Here in Nigeria if I withdraw money, I will complain if the give N50,000 in ten naira notes, Skype bank tried that with me once, I took the money to pay into GTB (a supplier account) and GTB refused the money, I took it back to Skype and Skype gave me my money in N1000 denominations, ie only 50 notes. Like I said before; small transactions like bus fares, pure water, etc we will pay with coins - these are more durable than small denomination notes. larger transactions N200, N500, N100 and maybe N5000 Larger shops will use POS. Big transactions such as paying your rent or buying a car pay by bank transfer, or cheque or even N5000 notes - is that so difficult? |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 3:07pm On Sep 11, 2012 |
oradee: Unfortunately I have your time. $1 is not cheap if you do not earn $1, 1 million Zimbabwe dollars is cheap if you earn one trillion zimbabwe dollars. It is simple economics on value of money - not perceptions. Value of money depends on the earning capacity of the people. All those protesting the introduction of N5000 note, how many of them earn or spend less than N5000 a day? A previous example, daily paid labourer earns N1500 a day, he spends N1300 on food and transport. in US a daily paid labourer earns $20 a day, he spend $17 a day for his transport and food. For that US Labourer $5000 is equivalent to 125 days works, whilst the Nigerian labourer N5000 represents only 3.5 days work. hence N5000 is not equal to $5000 but equal to $75 (ie 3 and half days work). Thus in Nigeria it is easy ask somebody to lend N5000, if you ask somebody for $100 in America, they won't answer, because to them that is like asking somebody for N16,000. This one problem Nigerians in diaspora have with their people back home, their people will be asking for money because like your example they think $1 is cheap!! They will be phoning 'brother send my $500 because they think $500 is easy like N500. You go into fast food, they charge N2500, you give them N5000, they give your change - N2500 (in different denominations) Coins are good for small amounts like N20, N50 and N100. Small demoniations most places in the world are in coins becasue they are most widley used and last longer. See all the N10, N20, N50 notes in circulation, by the time market women with Palm oil stain them, Okada and pure water sellers stuff these notes into their pockets the notes become defaced and the same market women and petty traders will refuse to accept the notes. Most countries use coins for small transactions. Nigerians used coins for many transactions for over 50 years right up to 1989, it was the massive devaluation of the naira in the lates 80's and 90's that caused the disappearance of coins. The Nigerian naira has depreciated from N150 to the dollar to N160 to in the last 3 years. In the 1990's when we started business, we would go to Europe, buy tokunbo cars when naira was N30 to one dollar, by the time our vehicles arrive in 6 weeks naira would be N55 to one dollar. Those were the tough days of business. Right now naira has been more or less stable for over 5 years compared to the bad old days. This is what will happen; Small transactions between N10 - N500 will be carried out with coins. Most day to day larger transactions will be done with notes up to N1000 if you come to shops like mind you will pay with your card and POS. when you pay your yearly rent or buy a car, you will pay by bank transfer, cheque or with N5000 notes. That's how it's done around the world and will be done like that in Nigeria. This is how people complained about N1000 note, don't we use everyday now? I remember 1996, Nduka Obiagana writting in this THISDAY that GSM phones would be too expensive for the masses. |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 8:33am On Sep 11, 2012 |
Chykenet: Frozen chicken in UK is £2.50, £2.50 is approx N750. Chicken in Nigeria is between N500 - N1000. Almost the same price. whats your point? In UK I can pay for the chicken £2.20 in coins, what is wrong with me paying for Chicken in Nigeria with N100 or N50 naira coins? |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 6:46am On Sep 11, 2012 |
oradee: As I said in my previous posts COINS, NOTES and POS can all be used simultaneously. I sell electronics in my shop in Ikeja and we USE POS, we also collect cash from our customers. Americans NEVER see $1000 or $5000 the way we in Nigeria see N1000 or N5000. Can N5000 buy a car? But $5000 can easily buy a used car in America. Nigerians give their children N1000 pocket money, $1000 is 2 weeks wages for some people in America. N5000 equals $75n get it? N5000 is for large transactions just like $100 bills and £50 notes. If you enter small shops in UK or US they will not accept £50 note or $100 because they won't have change. Just as you wouldn't give an Okada man N1000 note for N30 drop.you pay them in small shops in UK or US with coins, that's how you will Mr Okada man with coins.simple |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 9:18pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
oradee: Bank of America does not issue legal tender in America - the US central bank is the Federal Reserve Bank $5000 is equal to a second hand car, $5000 is N750,000 is CBN printing N750,000 note? N5000 note will buy a meal for two in KFC, $100 note will buy a meal for two in KFC. Ask yourself when last you spent N5000, then ask the American when last he spent $5000 - but the American did spend $100 N5000 equals $75 NOT $5000 |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 9:08pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
oradee: So you feel like a big man when you carry bundles of notes to pay for N100,000 phone or laptop, you like using those dirty torn notes to pay for your Okada |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 4:31pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
chamber2: You guys are just prejuidiced. Also anyone who has an opinion different from yours does not mean this person is a goevernment stooge. Cashless, coins and N5000 note can all work together. In UK you can use coins to pay, £1 is a coin but this buys almost exactly what N200 - N300 buys in Nigeria, eg a bus fare or soft drink, you can use your debit card at POS points in nearly every shop and finally you can also use notes up to £50 (N13000) to buy things, the most common note is £20 (N5200). In Nigeria to spend N5000 in one place is very easy, why should we not pay with N5000 note, also I LIKE to use N10 coin to buy pure water, it's easier for me than looking for those dirty notes. If there is POS (as I have in MY shop) then I will use my debit card. Shikena!! |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 3:36pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
infolekan: Actually I have never had a government contract in my live, i never worked for any Nigerian company or Nigerian government. I am infact a trader. And you are right when I am in UK or US I hardly pay for anything over even $100 in cash, in recent years I use my Nigerian issued Fidelity Bank Visa card (naira account oh!!! not dom account). I use this Nigerian card all over UK even to buy fuel of £20 (N5200). I actually feel proud to use a Nigerian bank card like this. I hate it in Nigeria that just to pay for Mr Biggs with my family on a Sunday afternoon I have to bring out a bundle of notes to pay out just maybe N7500. I also enter Keke Marwa and Okada near my business premises, I would willing pay these people with coins if coins were available. We should concentrate on the real problem in Nigeria, ie income of the people - not the unit of currency. Ghana removed 'zeroes' from their currency, it did not suddenly make everybody richer, just easier to conduct business. The cedi did not gain in international value because zeroes were removed from the back of it. |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 3:24pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
Olu_Bendel: Mr Man your grammar is too plenty When I pay you [/b]N50,000 for developing my website and give [b]you the whole payment in N5000 notes, please refuse it and accept only N200 notes. Likewise Mr Keke Marwa, when your passengers pay you with N20 coins, please refuse to accept it, insist on them giving you torn and dirty N20 notes. |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 2:59pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
oradee: Answer the question; when you bought your phone or laptop how did you pay? |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 2:54pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
oradee: That's problem with Nigerian youth today, jump on a bandwagon without understanding the issues. For your information I reside in Nigeria and do business in both Nigeria and other countries, including Ghana, Uk and US. I have bank accounts in Nigeria, Ghana and UK. I also employ people in Nigeria and pay salaries. Instead of thinking of how we will increase the income of Nigerians you are thinking that pieces of paper are the problem, or how many 'zeroes' behind a currency. Anyway I can't blame you, I blame IBB for his failed education policies because many of the those who graduating after 1993 are just brain washed poorly educated, pastor chasing follow follow. Anything your pastor or Iman talk is all you do. Think for yourself young man. You can still find the 10 kobo coin minted 40 years ago, where are notes made 3 years ago? |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 1:23pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
chiboy1928: What is the big deal about these five thousand naira notes I support cbn holeheartedly let the money be in circulation,even ghana here were I live the highest denominations is 50 ghana cedis wich is equivalent to the 5,000 naira notes here in nigeria, and also they make used of their coins such as 10,20,50 pesewas wich is also equivalent to 10,20, and 50 naira and it has not resulted to any inflation, while we here making unneccesary noise about inflation if u don't want to used currency then do away fr it rather than come and misinformed the ordianry nigerians!!! Help me tell them!!!! |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 1:22pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
philip0906: Simple question my friend, what is wrong with earning N1500 a day and spending N1500 a day? |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 1:02pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
oradee: But you foolish oh!!!!! $20 = N3200, $50 = N8000, $100 = N16,000 In US they use $20, $50 and $100 bills to pay for their goods and services. We in Nigeria should be able to pay for something worth $50 in less than 5 notes: we currently pay for something worth $50 with at least 8 notes (ie 8 x N1000) - you work out the cost of printing and transporting those 8 notes. Now with N5000 you can pay with 2 notes or 4 notes. Please remember $5000 is not the N5000. The phone or laptop you use to post rubbish on this website cost you how much? You probably carried 50 notes to Computer Village to buy the phone or laptop, why wouldn't prefer to carry only 10 notes? |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 12:53pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
philip0906: What is your problem? $10 is N1500, is it bad to earn N1500 and feed your self with it? must it be N10 to feed with N10? You earn N1500, you spend N1500. Or you are complaining because the 'zeroes' are too much? the question should be are Nigerians earning enough? In Japan people earn Y1400 a day in order to survive, do you see Japanese complaining about too many 'zeroes'. 78 Yen make $1, yet the Yen is one of the strongest currencies. My friend go and study economics properly |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 12:04pm On Sep 10, 2012 |
chamber2: Which history? we used coins in Nigeria from before independence to the late 1980's. As late as 1989 I was entering Molue from Agege to Oshodi for 10kobo a drop. enter with your change oh! wo le pelu coins oh!!! |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 11:40am On Sep 10, 2012 |
oradee:[/b] Please stop taliking like an illiterate. Naira and Pounds are NOT the same. The intials do NOT matter. The Japanese Yen is one of the strongest currencies in the world. It is one of the currencies used as a store of international value yet $1 = 78YEN. does that make the Yen worthless please answer |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 11:36am On Sep 10, 2012 |
philip0906: How old are you? where were you when N1 = $1? do you know how much people earned then? When N1 = $1, a driver would earn N30 a month!!! rent for one room in Mushin or Ajegungle would N5 ($5) a month. How much does a driver earn now? Can a driver earn less than N35,000 ($200) a month? how much is rent in one room in Mushin or Ajegungle now? N5000 a month - still one seventh of a driver salary. It is called NPV (Net Present Value) Even the dollar you use as your measure has lost over 300% of it's value over the last 30years. 30 years ago new cars in US cost $3500, now they same standard of car cost $25,000. Please go and learn basic economics before posting. |
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 11:12am On Sep 10, 2012 |
oradee: This is the problem with many of our people in Nigeria, $5000 is N750,000!!!! Many Nigeians believe your relatives are abroad because you think they pick pounds and dollars like we pick naira in Nigeria. You ask your senior brother to send you $500 because you think $500 is the same and as easy as N500. You don't realize that many people do not earn $500 a week!!! If I go to a eatery in Nigeria with my family I can easily spend N7500 (that's if we eat very little), I will pay with a least 8 notes (ie 7 x N1000 and 1 x N500) In UK if I go into an eatery with my family I will spend £20 (N5200)- I will pay with one note £20. Why should not use a N5000 in Nigeria. In UK I use £1 (N260) coins to pay for my taxi and bus, why can I not use N100 coinn to pay for BRT !!! |
Nairaland / General / Re: Did You Use 5 & 10 Kobo Coins? (pics) by faithin9ja: 8:48am On Sep 07, 2012 |
bashy_demy: Sorry Ewu are you conparing a 1990 Honda accord to a 2009 accord? See who is calling somebody a 'goat'. This internet that just allows ignoramus type without any thought. The young man is wrong to compare 1990 Honda to 2009 Honda based on price, but not becuase the 2009 Honda is better quality than 1990. the simple way to compare prices is to workout how many hours, or days a person has to work in 1990 to purchase an item compared to how days or hours a person works in 2009 to purhcase the same item. for instance, if a daily paid labourer in 1990 worked a building site for day and earned N5, that N1 could buy him one plate of eba and one piece of meat. In 2009 the same labourer works for one day on the building site and earns N500, he uses N200 to buy one plate of eba and one piece of meat. (Net Present Value NPV) from here you can work out the real inflation rate. |
Nairaland / General / Re: Did You Use 5 & 10 Kobo Coins? (pics) by faithin9ja: 8:06am On Sep 07, 2012 |
occam: Young man, you are still missing the point. Nobody doubts inflation, but even the US dollar you use as a yardstick has changed in value since 1994, actually prices have more than trebled in the US since 1994 (I gave you the UK example above). What you fail to mention is incomes have gone up markedly since 1994. Are people still earning 1994 salaries? actually many things such as cars are even more affordable today than in 1994 Nigeria. It was in the early 90's that Nigerians started buying imported tokunbo cars'. In present day Nigeria, Nigerians have started buying brand new cars again (with a downward blimp in 2010) I asked you, if you currently earn a salary, compare what you earn now to what your father earned in 1994. By the way I bought my first car in 1985 in my final year university - a N200, 12 year volkswagen beetle. |
Nairaland / General / Re: Did You Use 5 & 10 Kobo Coins? (pics) by faithin9ja: 11:14pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
occam: Let's do some math here: Young man stop displaying your ignorance. Value of money always changes over the years. Your money has a very different value today - in economics it's called NPV (net present value) In 1994 your Dad was earning how much? Perhaps N10,000 a month (that's what middle level bankers earned in the mid 90's) today middle level bankers earn N300,000 a month. 1990 rent for a flat in UK was £350 per month, today it's £1500 a month. Just one example. Go on brush up on your economics |
Nairaland / General / Re: Did You Use 5 & 10 Kobo Coins? (pics) by faithin9ja: 7:55pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
1988 I went to British Commission Consular on Marina (the Kwellams Building) near current UBA House. It cost me [b]10 kobo for molue [/b]from Pleasure Bus Stop on Abeokuta ByPass (near Iyana Ipaja) 1988 here oh! e no far like that |
Politics / Re: 240 New Factories In A Year By MAN by faithin9ja: 1:05pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
Pure water, plastic buckets, body lotion, soap, shoess and sandals, individuals and small businesses are opening everyday all over Nigeria. Do you think it's only Petro chemical factory, refinery that are factories? even small workshop can be considered factory if they register with MAN 1 Like |
Politics / Re: FG Endorses N5000 Note Introduction by faithin9ja: 8:28pm On Sep 05, 2012 |
carlinks: Atimes i wonder who is fooling who..a fetus in the womb knows the harsh economic implications of the CBN's CURE project on their purchasing power...let's break this down..minimum wage is 18k,the new NEPA bill in my flat now is 3500 monthly..leaves the guy with 14,500 left..fuel price has gone up so has transportation cost so he has to pay more to fuel his gen and pay more to get to work..i beg,what is that guy left with@the end of the month?? and GEJ wana add this CBN's evil CURE to it!!! a lot of doctorate degree doesn't make someone smart and intelligent atimes...GEJ and SLS are good examples why not to have a Doctorate degree...2 moronic confused imbeciles Foolish talk, you live in a flat and earn N18,000 a month? Life is about levels, minimum wage earners in UK or US cannot afford to live UK or US flats. Minimum wage is not average wage. You complain you spend N3500 on your NEPA bill a month, tell the truth how much do you spend on recharge cards? Or beer? How many of your close friends earn N18,000 a month |
Politics / Re: FG Endorses N5000 Note Introduction by faithin9ja: 1:46pm On Sep 05, 2012 |
Olu_Bendel: This is what I don't understnd about people who talk about N20 in 1977. In 1977 N20 was worth almost what N5000 is today. In 1977 people's monthly rent for a one room would be less than N10, so if anyone stole N20 it would be considered the same as stealing N5000 today. In the late 80's and early 90's the general consensus of obscence wealth was 'owambe' parties people spraying N20 notes!!! that's like people spraying $100 bills in today's economy. Coins are better for smaller transactions. Have you forgotten the Molue conductors in Lagos.....enter with your coins oh!!! ko si change, wo le pelu coins oh!!! as late as 1989 I was enering molue with 10kobo coins who complained? Get real my friends |
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