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Business / Re: Nigerian Naira Or Ghanaian Cedi Which Is Stronger? by faithin9ja: 3:12pm On Sep 14, 2012
ghettodreamz: It's quite obvious, US dollar is the Most strongest, Ghanaian Cedi is Strongest, Japanese Yen is Strong, and Nigeria Naira Poor owing to Nigeria's bad economy caused by political instabilities among other factors, topic for another day.

So the Ghanaian economy is better or stronger than Japanese economy because it's 70 Yen to the Dollar and 2 Cedi to the dollar.

Didn't the Ghanaian government just remove 'zeroes' from the old Cedi which was something like 10,000 cedi to one dollar and create the new Cedi, why doesn't our CBN just remove the 'zero' from the N160 to $1 and declare a New Naira at N1.6 to one dollar?

Is it that easy?
Business / Re: Nigerian Naira Or Ghanaian Cedi Which Is Stronger? by faithin9ja: 3:04pm On Sep 14, 2012
ghettodreamz: Below is the exchange rates as at the moment, bear in mind that exchange rates fluctuates every seconds. Us dollar is the highest on the below list, follow by Ghanaian Cedi, Japanese Yen and Nigeria Naira down below the list, God help our economy.

1.00 USD = 1.89270 GHS
US Dollar ↔ Ghanaian Cedi

1.00 USD = 78.1257 JPY
US Dollar ↔ Japanese Yen

1.00 USD = 157.562 NGN
US Dollar ↔ Nigerian Naira

1.00 GHS = 41.2818 JPY
Ghanaian Cedi ↔ Japanese Yen

1.00 GHS = 83.2492 NGN
Ghanaian Cedi ↔ Nigerian Naira

1.00 JPY = 2.01921 NGN
Japanese Yen ↔ Nigerian Naira


Exchange rate source: www.xe.com

Does this mean the Cedi is stronger than the naira and Japanese Yen?
Business / Re: Nigerian Naira Or Ghanaian Cedi Which Is Stronger? by faithin9ja: 3:02pm On Sep 14, 2012
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Business / Nigerian Naira Or Ghanaian Cedi Which Is Stronger? by faithin9ja: 2:28pm On Sep 14, 2012
All the wahala surrounding N5000 note and use of coins in Nigeria. Lot of commentators keep talking about 'strength of currency'.

Here's the question; which curency is stronger, Nigerian Naira at 160 naira to one US dollar or the Ghanaian Cedi at 1.9 Cedi to the US Dollar?

Bear in mind that appox 78 Japanese Yen to one dollar, so the Ghanaian Cedi is stronger than the Japanese Yen?

Your thoughts please
Car Talk / Re: Nissan To Open Assembly Plant In Nigeria by faithin9ja: 2:10pm On Sep 14, 2012
grandstar: It does not make economic sense.

For a car plant to be successful, it needs to invest about a $1bn and produce about 200,000 cars.

We are talking here about economies of scale.

If Nissan does set up an assembly palnt, they'd start championing for higher tariffs on imported cars and having us purchase old model Nissans.

Note that Nissan will be producing newer models whenever they come out. This was what Peugeot did for years. It's a win/lose situation for Nissan/Nigeria.


Totally agree with you.
This is just the usually rubbish sentimental clap trap that 'importers' come out with. About making factories in Nigeria. These factories will import 95% of the components and make rubbish quality vehicles in Nigeria, totally unnecessary.

We should concentrate on 'niche' products for export and then use FX earned to import what we can't make.

Moct countries in the world do NOT have car manufacturering plants and those that do these plants manufacture cars for export not just thier local markets.

Why can't we manufacture windscreens or car seats or even windscreen wipers for export to other countries around the world?

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Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 5:14pm On Sep 11, 2012
oradee:

hmm...where do i start wif the highlighted?

was it the same "market" that made u and ur bank stop issuing and accepting coins?

CBN has BROUGHT notes(N1000) and coins during the soludo era...pls enlighten us where they went? cos someone earlier said they were used to make jewelry cos it had a higher value than its face value...so coins and higher denomination aint new to us at all.

and in paying ur rent, u didnt even mention using bank cheques (or is it now more expensive printing cheques than new currencies?...or is CBN trying to faze it out?

and as most have said,Print the darned N5k in coins so u can pay ur rent,do ur domestic and international biz in it,pay for ur meals,laptops and fones etc wif it (after all,notes and coins mean the same thing)...

the US fazed out $1000 and $500 bills yet we are introducing N1000 and N5000...its funny how 1 Ghana cedi = our N100 and our N150 = $1...but our N1 doesnt equate to either of the two...lo(Giants indeed)


Man,

You comparing N5000 to $5000 they are NOT the same. You need to understand that basic economic fact. N5000 is $75 period.

N5000 buy exactly(almost) what $75 buys. I asked you question yesterday; can N5000 buy a used car, of course not. but $5000 can buy a used car.

N5000 is equivlent to 3 days work. $5000 is equivalent to 2 months work (yes, even in America)
You need more lessons in exchange rates and value of money;

1 USD = 160 naira = £0.60 (UK) = 78YEN (Japan) = 1.90 Cedis (Ghana)

According to which is the stronger currency? does that mean Cedi is stronger than the Japanese Yen?

Solodu never made N1000 coins
Soludo made one naira coins at a time when there were no goods to be bought for one naira.

'Big transactions such as paying your rent or buying a car pay by bank transfer, or cheque or even N5000 notes - is that so difficult?'

You obviously are not reading my posts
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 4:07pm On Sep 11, 2012
oradee:

yeh, true...the same humans in America are the same in zimbabwe,ghana,nig and world wide...so cos its in "dollars" its allowed to be $1 for bread abi while our bread shld be N200 and above? no wonder everyone wants dollars.

i take danfo bus to commute ajah and out and at the toll,the driver gives the highst cash at hand btwn N1000 and n500 so as to source change for his passangers and to pay road tax collectors...u dont think the same wld happen if he has N5k given to him by a passenger who got his from the ATM? and how much change wld the conductor be receiving then at the toll? isnt that more money in his hand?

u sound like the N5k notes wld be made from material other than the usual.I have seen filthy N100,N200,N500 and N1000 so i doubt if ur N5k wld be an exception...and i hear ur guy SLS wants to make it usuable for the visually impared (like its a trophy undecided) is he gonna put devices on the lower denominations as well so they can be sure their change is complete? (abi they must spend the note in one sitting so as to avoid change? grin grin grin)*rolling to zambia lol*


My friend

The market is a very powerful force which creates it's own laws with or without government intervention.

In the 1990's as I said I used to buy tokunbo cars from Germany and Holland. We would change naira with Mallam in Lagos for Deustchmarks (DM) this was before the Euro. We would take 1000DM notes to Germany. We could only use these notes when buying our tokunbo cars, they did not accept the notes in fast food or petrol stations as the notes were too big and the sellers wouldn't have change. In my Nigerian ignorance in those days I would be arguing with them because i thought it was discrimination against me a blackman, until my German based Nigerians friends explained to me that those small sellers cannot change the 1000DM because of 7DM market.

The same happens today in UK, if I spend £2 (N520) Nobody will accept a £50 note unless a very big shop.

CBN is bringing coins and notes.

Coins is for Ajah to toll gate bus fare, pay your conductor with N100 in coins or N50 depending on your drop. Just like I used to pay Molue drivers with 10 kobo. Even today would you give bus conductor or Okada man N1000 for a N30 fare? No.


N5000 as I said before is when you are paying your landlord for one year rent instead of 'Ghana -must go bag' you hand over a small bundle of N5000 to cover maybe your N200k rent.

N5000 will not be used as widely as N1000, N500 or N200.

When you go into a bank in UK or US to withdraw depending on the amount the ask what denominations you require. Here in Nigeria if I withdraw money, I will complain if the give N50,000 in ten naira notes, Skype bank tried that with me once, I took the money to pay into GTB (a supplier account) and GTB refused the money, I took it back to Skype and Skype gave me my money in N1000 denominations, ie only 50 notes.

Like I said before; small transactions like bus fares, pure water, etc we will pay with coins - these are more durable than small denomination notes.
larger transactions N200, N500, N100 and maybe N5000
Larger shops will use POS.
Big transactions such as paying your rent or buying a car pay by bank transfer, or cheque or even N5000 notes - is that so difficult?
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 3:07pm On Sep 11, 2012
oradee:

But u aren't gonna use coins to pay for it...thats our point!
the focal point here is if the N5k notes and coins are introduced, the notes stay and the coins dissapear for obvious reasons. This isn't UK so lets not delude ourselves. ur paper theory is true but u havent accepted the reality part of it...
ok,lets analyse bread and sachet water (which i doubt is in UK)...an increase in fuel then caused water to double in price and we know that in Nigeria,prices of things dont go down.
Now ask ur self where the coins went? Did the apex bank stop production and didnt announce it? why did banks stop issuing it to customers? did CBN instruct them to? u claim to own a shop that accepts POS etc, why did u stop receiving coins from ur customers? did CBN tell u to? When ur customer gives u N5000 to buy things worth N2,500,wldnt u give him back the same change ur complaining of paying when ur paying for ur fast foods meals? (has it truly made transaction easier? cos more money wld still exchange hands when it comes to issueing change).
We know cbn means well but seriously,its time we make our economy (which includes our currency)have value in the eyes of its citizens first before u start comparing it to other currencies. if the CBN of america cld faze out $1000 and %500 bills, and Ghana cld remove some zeros, i dont see why we cant do same to ours,after all.someone said removing those zeros from their notes didnt have an effect on their currency strenghth,but what they dont know is that it Psychologically does. if bread is $1 in US,2 ghana cedi in Ghana,N200 in Nigeria and 1million zimbabwean money in zimbabwe,they all have the same price value abi?(they can all buy the same quantity of bread) but we see $1 as cheap and 1million zimbabwea money as expensive...get it



Unfortunately I have your time.

$1 is not cheap if you do not earn $1, 1 million Zimbabwe dollars is cheap if you earn one trillion zimbabwe dollars.

It is simple economics on value of money - not perceptions.
Value of money depends on the earning capacity of the people. All those protesting the introduction of N5000 note, how many of them earn or spend less than N5000 a day?

A previous example, daily paid labourer earns N1500 a day, he spends N1300 on food and transport.
in US a daily paid labourer earns $20 a day, he spend $17 a day for his transport and food. For that US Labourer $5000 is equivalent to 125 days works, whilst the Nigerian labourer N5000 represents only 3.5 days work.

hence N5000 is not equal to $5000 but equal to $75 (ie 3 and half days work).

Thus in Nigeria it is easy ask somebody to lend N5000, if you ask somebody for $100 in America, they won't answer, because to them that is like asking somebody for N16,000.

This one problem Nigerians in diaspora have with their people back home, their people will be asking for money because like your example they think $1 is cheap!! They will be phoning 'brother send my $500 because they think $500 is easy like N500.


You go into fast food, they charge N2500, you give them N5000, they give your change - N2500 (in different denominations)
Coins are good for small amounts like N20, N50 and N100. Small demoniations most places in the world are in coins becasue they are most widley used and last longer. See all the N10, N20, N50 notes in circulation, by the time market women with Palm oil stain them, Okada and pure water sellers stuff these notes into their pockets the notes become defaced and the same market women and petty traders will refuse to accept the notes. Most countries use coins for small transactions.

Nigerians used coins for many transactions for over 50 years right up to 1989, it was the massive devaluation of the naira in the lates 80's and 90's that caused the disappearance of coins.

The Nigerian naira has depreciated from N150 to the dollar to N160 to in the last 3 years. In the 1990's when we started business, we would go to Europe, buy tokunbo cars when naira was N30 to one dollar, by the time our vehicles arrive in 6 weeks naira would be N55 to one dollar. Those were the tough days of business. Right now naira has been more or less stable for over 5 years compared to the bad old days.

This is what will happen;

Small transactions between N10 - N500 will be carried out with coins.
Most day to day larger transactions will be done with notes up to N1000
if you come to shops like mind you will pay with your card and POS.
when you pay your yearly rent or buy a car, you will pay by bank transfer, cheque or with N5000 notes.

That's how it's done around the world and will be done like that in Nigeria. This is how people complained about N1000 note, don't we use everyday now? I remember 1996, Nduka Obiagana writting in this THISDAY that GSM phones would be too expensive for the masses.
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 8:33am On Sep 11, 2012
Chykenet:
Let me understand your arguement... Efficiency of transaction and easier movement of cash? Is the reason you back the 5k note? Well, thats not enough. Do you know how much a full frozen chicken costs in UK? £2:50. Does it cost the equivalent in Nigeria? How many average Nigerian earn more to afford to spend multiple #5,000 at a GO?! Why would the poor masses worry about the convinience of 'a payment' they can't benefit?

Can you tell me any sector of anything in Nigeria that is working about 95%? With this coins introduction, traders will try to round most things and their prices to the nearest note! (i remember during Soludos coins when a candy sells for 2 #5 but sells for 1 #5 instead of 1 #2:50. There was coins then but still they didn't accept it) that won't happen in US. We as a nation, don't have any price regulation protocol.

i don't think this is our priority for now. And even if they will go for the 5k note, let them leave other lower denomination in note as coins will do more harm than good. They should change the polymer back to notes and this time, i prefer the old #1 note. The design is fantastic.


Frozen chicken in UK is £2.50, £2.50 is approx N750. Chicken in Nigeria is between N500 - N1000. Almost the same price. whats your point?

In UK I can pay for the chicken £2.20 in coins, what is wrong with me paying for Chicken in Nigeria with N100 or N50 naira coins?
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 6:46am On Sep 11, 2012
oradee:

The world’s biggest economy, the United States, used to have $1,000 and $500 bills but they have gradually been phased out and their current $100 bill is their highest dollar denomination. The distribution of the $1,000 denomination was discontinued in 1964, and the $500 bill in 1969. The reason that was given for stopping these denominations was that they aided drug traffickers in their trade. This would be like saying that the N5,000 denomination will aid corruption and election rigging in Nigeria.

i doubt if u can explain the highlighted above...the same way Americans see their $1,000 and $500 bills is the same way we Nigerians see our N1000 and N500 notes...its people like you who have devalued the naira in the mind before it takes effect literally.

u argue using coins in '89 but yet u havent explained where Soludo's coins went. u argue N5000 wld make biz easier and cheaper but u havent said how the cashless policy augments the N40bn to be used to print notes that are rejectable but u forget it wld still cost more to transact wif cos divisiblity of money has its cost implications (u print more lower denominations to support its divisibility).

and i did notice ur eluding the point of printing the N5000 in COINS (or isnt it possible)


As I said in my previous posts COINS, NOTES and POS can all be used simultaneously. I sell electronics in my shop in Ikeja and we USE POS, we also collect cash from our customers.

Americans NEVER see $1000 or $5000 the way we in Nigeria see N1000 or N5000. Can N5000 buy a car? But $5000 can easily buy a used car in America. Nigerians give their children N1000 pocket money, $1000 is 2 weeks wages for some people in America. N5000 equals $75n get it?

N5000 is for large transactions just like $100 bills and £50 notes. If you enter small shops in UK or US they will not accept £50 note or $100 because they won't have change. Just as you wouldn't give an Okada man N1000 note for N30 drop.you pay them in small shops in UK or US with coins, that's how you will Mr Okada man with coins.simple
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 9:18pm On Sep 10, 2012
oradee:


in favor of ur argument, since u seem to have toured the globe,i wanna ask why hasnt the Bank of America printed $5000 notes since it wld be cheaper and convenient for business transactions...after all that's where we go to study the economics we are applying. (and pls dont tell me about the value of their dollar wldnt allow it)

Bank of America does not issue legal tender in America - the US central bank is the Federal Reserve Bank
$5000 is equal to a second hand car, $5000 is N750,000 is CBN printing N750,000 note?
N5000 note will buy a meal for two in KFC, $100 note will buy a meal for two in KFC.

Ask yourself when last you spent N5000, then ask the American when last he spent $5000 - but the American did spend $100

N5000 equals $75 NOT $5000
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 9:08pm On Sep 10, 2012
oradee:

the same way i pay my okada/keke/BRT/danfo/bread/sweets/manicure&pedicure/hair cut/cinema tickets/fast food meals...etc (does that answer ur Q?)

so now that ive answered u,shld i start using N5000 notes to pay for them henceforth?

as i said,i wld support u and ur arguement if the N5000 is printed in COINS or are u gonna argue why N5000 cant be printed in coins?

So you feel like a big man when you carry bundles of notes to pay for N100,000 phone or laptop, you like using those dirty torn notes to pay for your Okada
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 4:31pm On Sep 10, 2012
chamber2:


^^^

Your line of thinking is prevalent among govt officials, i wouldn't be surprised if you are one. Just because one policy favours you doesn't necessarily mean it will be in the best interest of the others.Sir, nobody said the CBN shouldn't engage in currency management activities. When soludo came he vigorously pursued a currency restructuring initiative; changing the wordings in the currency, introduced coins, polymer and finally printed the N1000 note. That was about 5yrs ago. Until now Nigerians are yet to feel the impact of such frivolous exercise. Why then are we in a haste to introduce a new currency? Aside the issue of convenience, and efficiency what other benefits do we stand to gain from this initiative? Remember, the cashless policy was designed to address the issue of cost, efficiency, convenience etc. So why the N5000 note, at least at this point when we can barely finance the power sector challenges?

One would therefore expect the current CBN governor to pay more attention to the cashless policy initiative rather spending over N40b to introduce a new currency. After-all, the both have similar objective- which is cost reduction and efficiency. The cash policy will reduce the volume of cash transactions, reduce cost both on the part of the CBN, banks and populace. It will also encourage the use of coins through the establishment of facilities that will enhance its use. You don't put the cart before the horse.


You guys are just prejuidiced. Also anyone who has an opinion different from yours does not mean this person is a goevernment stooge.

Cashless, coins and N5000 note can all work together.

In UK you can use coins to pay, £1 is a coin but this buys almost exactly what N200 - N300 buys in Nigeria, eg a bus fare or soft drink, you can use your debit card at POS points in nearly every shop and finally you can also use notes up to £50 (N13000) to buy things, the most common note is £20 (N5200).

In Nigeria to spend N5000 in one place is very easy, why should we not pay with N5000 note, also I LIKE to use N10 coin to buy pure water, it's easier for me than looking for those dirty notes.

If there is POS (as I have in MY shop) then I will use my debit card. Shikena!!
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 3:36pm On Sep 10, 2012
infolekan:

You can easily spare us your elderly advise and information on the countries you've been to....doesn't make you a wise man or an authority on economic issues.(Half of you so called rich in Nigeria are just stark illiterates with stolen public funds).
Security is still a major challenge.....power....road....educationad almost all sectors are collapsing and the next best thing that can happen to the COUNTRY is this debatable 5000 naira note.
In all your various sojourns....it is well know that it is only Nigerians that spend cash in abroad. Haven't bought anything over a 1000$ with cash before in the US. What's the idea behind the cashless policy if we are still rolling out 5000 naira notes? Thought that was the reason behind the cashless policy? Less cash so as to have money trails and to monitor all these corrupt politicians and heartless businessmen.
And you can ask yourself what happened to our 5k and 10k coins that were introduced and even the 5naira notes self.
The 40billion should be used to fight corruption and build infrastructures and probably to remove nitwits like you who hide behind the anonymosity of social networks to proliferate garbage out of their mouth and still have the audacity to challenge right thinking people calling them 'youths'. Mtschewww


Actually I have never had a government contract in my live, i never worked for any Nigerian company or Nigerian government. I am infact a trader. And you are right when I am in UK or US I hardly pay for anything over even $100 in cash, in recent years I use my Nigerian issued Fidelity Bank Visa card (naira account oh!!! not dom account). I use this Nigerian card all over UK even to buy fuel of £20 (N5200). I actually feel proud to use a Nigerian bank card like this.

I hate it in Nigeria that just to pay for Mr Biggs with my family on a Sunday afternoon I have to bring out a bundle of notes to pay out just maybe N7500.

I also enter Keke Marwa and Okada near my business premises, I would willing pay these people with coins if coins were available.

We should concentrate on the real problem in Nigeria, ie income of the people - not the unit of currency. Ghana removed 'zeroes' from their currency, it did not suddenly make everybody richer, just easier to conduct business. The cedi did not gain in international value because zeroes were removed from the back of it.
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 3:24pm On Sep 10, 2012
Olu_Bendel:


Bros/Madam are you for real? all these vituperation just to prove how knowledgeable you are and how ignorant the rest of us? hmmm...and you are the one analyzing issues critically? Pls read through @chambers2 and tell us what new economic theory you have been able to postulate to counter his sound argument.
(I just want to believe that your likes have lost touch with the realities in Nigeria). This policy is designed to simply help the rich and further impoverish the poor, can't seem to know how else to explain this to you with you vast knowledge of economics without receiving invective from you as you threw at chambers2.

Why not use your economic acumen to advise CBN to logically, methodically pursue the cashless policy to a desired end first. that way cost will be reduced and efficiency will be brought to bear on our economy. What is the opportunity cost of this CURE programme, should it be our priority as a nation now? are there no better alternative?(in view of the backlash from the citizenry), these are the questions that bothers us sir/ma


Mr Man your grammar is too plenty

When I pay you [/b]N50,000 for developing my website and give [b]you the whole payment in N5000 notes, please refuse it and accept only N200 notes.

Likewise Mr Keke Marwa, when your passengers pay you with N20 coins, please refuse to accept it, insist on them giving you torn and dirty N20 notes.
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 2:59pm On Sep 10, 2012
oradee:



you obviously dont reside within Nigeria...and by the way,pls take ur tranquilizers before u commment on my post ok!

Answer the question; when you bought your phone or laptop how did you pay?
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 2:54pm On Sep 10, 2012
oradee:



you obviously dont reside within Nigeria...and by the way,pls take ur tranquilizers before u commment on my post ok!

That's problem with Nigerian youth today, jump on a bandwagon without understanding the issues. For your information I reside in Nigeria and do business in both Nigeria and other countries, including Ghana, Uk and US. I have bank accounts in Nigeria, Ghana and UK. I also employ people in Nigeria and pay salaries.

Instead of thinking of how we will increase the income of Nigerians you are thinking that pieces of paper are the problem, or how many 'zeroes' behind a currency. Anyway I can't blame you, I blame IBB for his failed education policies because many of the those who graduating after 1993 are just brain washed poorly educated, pastor chasing follow follow. Anything your pastor or Iman talk is all you do. Think for yourself young man. You can still find the 10 kobo coin minted 40 years ago, where are notes made 3 years ago?
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 1:23pm On Sep 10, 2012
chiboy1928: What is the big deal about these five thousand naira notes I support cbn holeheartedly let the money be in circulation,even ghana here were I live the highest denominations is 50 ghana cedis wich is equivalent to the 5,000 naira notes here in nigeria, and also they make used of their coins such as 10,20,50 pesewas wich is also equivalent to 10,20, and 50 naira and it has not resulted to any inflation, while we here making unneccesary noise about inflation if u don't want to used currency then do away fr it rather than come and misinformed the ordianry nigerians!!!

Help me tell them!!!!
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 1:22pm On Sep 10, 2012
philip0906:
Listen 2 urself. . .i only used d example 2 show u how bad d naira has fallen copared 2 d $.japan? so Nigeria is now mates with Japan? On what grounds r u making d comparism? economic,political,security or what? and please stop all these noise about economics. Even d illiterate Nigerian hs basic knowledge of econs besides, we are not talking textbook economics but practical.

Simple question my friend, what is wrong with earning N1500 a day and spending N1500 a day?
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 1:02pm On Sep 10, 2012
oradee:

and because of this, the US has decided to print $5000 so that it wld be convenient for them when they wanna go to fast food? (cos thats ur excuse in relation to 20 pounds)

But you foolish oh!!!!!

$20 = N3200, $50 = N8000, $100 = N16,000
In US they use $20, $50 and $100 bills to pay for their goods and services.

We in Nigeria should be able to pay for something worth $50 in less than 5 notes: we currently pay for something worth $50 with at least 8 notes (ie 8 x N1000) - you work out the cost of printing and transporting those 8 notes. Now with N5000 you can pay with 2 notes or 4 notes.

Please remember $5000 is not the N5000.

The phone or laptop you use to post rubbish on this website cost you how much? You probably carried 50 notes to Computer Village to buy the phone or laptop, why wouldn't prefer to carry only 10 notes?
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 12:53pm On Sep 10, 2012
philip0906:
what r u blabbing about? U are still hitting the point i am driving home. . .How come we have fallen so low? Why are we not trying 2 get back 2 d good 'old days or @ least measure up with the peeps we competed with back in d days? Y must we fall with our back 2 d ground? Don't people earn $10 every hour in the u.s and feed themselves well with it? can someone who earns N10 every hour feed himself 2day? I am not talking economics, I am talking practicals here.

What is your problem? $10 is N1500, is it bad to earn N1500 and feed your self with it? must it be N10 to feed with N10? You earn N1500, you spend N1500. Or you are complaining because the 'zeroes' are too much?

the question should be are Nigerians earning enough? In Japan people earn Y1400 a day in order to survive, do you see Japanese complaining about too many 'zeroes'. 78 Yen make $1, yet the Yen is one of the strongest currencies.

My friend go and study economics properly
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 12:04pm On Sep 10, 2012
chamber2:



You seem to me like one ''obodo oyibo'' bred kid! No economy functions in isolation of the socio-psychological disposition of the people. Spending N40b just to print some piece of paper so as to create some measure of convenience is bad economics if you ask me, especially in a country riddled with poverty, inequality, corruption and unemployment. The ONLY benefit of the N5000 is the assumed convenience it creates and the reduction in currency management cost. Aside this, nothing else. Over the last few months the CBN and it's agents have been selling the ''cashless'' policy gospel to Nigerians. This policy was designed to reduce the quantum of cash in circulation, promote operational efficiency, reduce thievery and other vices, and ultimately leads to job creation through the establishment of POS and other payment infrastructures. Now, tell me where the N5000 enters into the equation? Cashless policy and new currency introduction, complete counter-policy initiative!

[b]On the issue of coins, history has shown that Nigerians dont feel comfortable carrying coins. This may be as a result of lack of facilities that will facilitate the use of coins e.g phone boots, train transportation etc. So, reducing N20 to coin will mean outright disappearance of these lower denominations thereby making N50 the lowest denomination with its attendant inflation pressure. So, couldn't the CBN wait for a while to see how successful the cashless policy will be before this new currency restructuring? Why the haste? The cashless policy would have complemented the new currency if adequate time was given for a complete introduction of the cashless regime.

[/b]Now, one CBN deputy governor came up to say that the people can reject the N5000 note from the commercial banks if they deem necessary. Reject a legal tender, how possible? The problem we have as a country is that we live in a time when those in positions of authority systematically lie to its people so as to gain little personal advantage. This is the delima of the Nigerian society

Which history? we used coins in Nigeria from before independence to the late 1980's. As late as 1989 I was entering Molue from Agege to Oshodi for 10kobo a drop. enter with your change oh! wo le pelu coins oh!!!
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 11:40am On Sep 10, 2012
oradee:


well, the rulers/govt of UK have kept and protected their economy to make it what it is today...
its not the Nigerian citizens fault that one pound is N250.
Why not ask CBN and co why/when we wld start spending N20 to eat a meal at a fastfood in Nigeria[b]!!(afterall N20 and 20 pounds are both the same with diff initials)
[/b]

Please stop taliking like an illiterate. Naira and Pounds are NOT the same. The intials do NOT matter.

The Japanese Yen is one of the strongest currencies in the world. It is one of the currencies used as a store of international value yet $1 = 78YEN. does that make the Yen worthless please answer
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 11:36am On Sep 10, 2012
philip0906:
You are obviously deluded. . .what change are u talking about? Many years back #1=$1 now #160=$1. Is dat the change u r talking about? Nigerians are asking what happened 2 50kobo and d likes? Nigerians are craving 4 when #500 could feed u and ur family.Thats what we are talking about.U r calling japan and Korea? countries whose economies dwarfs ours?y not call the u.S.A and Britain whose currencies we rivaled back in d days.If u don't mind kindly tell us one policy that ur paymaster sanusi has brought that has +vely affected the lives of d masses?
U are calling China? D china dat has a zero policy on corruption? The china dat has pushed aside politics 2 better the lives of the masses? U need 2 get ur head checked or better still update urself like i earlier suggested.

How old are you? where were you when N1 = $1? do you know how much people earned then?

When N1 = $1, a driver would earn N30 a month!!! rent for one room in Mushin or Ajegungle would N5 ($5) a month.

How much does a driver earn now? Can a driver earn less than N35,000 ($200) a month? how much is rent in one room in Mushin or Ajegungle now? N5000 a month - still one seventh of a driver salary.

It is called NPV (Net Present Value) Even the dollar you use as your measure has lost over 300% of it's value over the last 30years. 30 years ago new cars in US cost $3500, now they same standard of car cost $25,000. Please go and learn basic economics before posting.
Politics / Re: Bank Customers Can Reject N5000 Note – CBN by faithin9ja: 11:12am On Sep 10, 2012
oradee:

You really shld study the nigerian history and metality...

1)Atedo Peterside says the new notes wld make it difficult for robbers to operate in dollars (but easier to rob in naira). are they making stealing more convenient for them?
2) i our futile bid to imitate the Western country,is there anytime you,ur parents or family and even those going on foreign trips have withdrawn $1000 or %5000 dollars from foreign banks or ATM's?
3) in line of their argument that it costs less to print one N5000 than printing one hundred N50, dont u know that it wld actually cost twice as much cos a N5000 transaction wld definately require change (unless they expect us to always completely spend N5000 in one sitting)
4) while Ghana is smart enuf to remove two zero's from their currency, cant we borrow a leaf from them and start from one zero?
50the same arguement in favour of the N5000 is tha same they gave for the N1000...shle we expect more notes from future CBN govts?
6) We (south,east and west) dont trade in coins...lets not delude ourselves any further..
7) i strongly believe that CBN's insistence on going along wif this is becoming an Ego thing...Sanusi dont wanna be seen as GEJ who makes absurd policies without due considerations


This is the problem with many of our people in Nigeria, $5000 is N750,000!!!!
Many Nigeians believe your relatives are abroad because you think they pick pounds and dollars like we pick naira in Nigeria. You ask your senior brother to send you $500 because you think $500 is the same and as easy as N500. You don't realize that many people do not earn $500 a week!!!

If I go to a eatery in Nigeria with my family I can easily spend N7500 (that's if we eat very little), I will pay with a least 8 notes (ie 7 x N1000 and 1 x N500)

In UK if I go into an eatery with my family I will spend £20 (N5200)- I will pay with one note £20.

Why should not use a N5000 in Nigeria.

In UK I use £1 (N260) coins to pay for my taxi and bus, why can I not use N100 coinn to pay for BRT !!!
Nairaland / General / Re: Did You Use 5 & 10 Kobo Coins? (pics) by faithin9ja: 8:48am On Sep 07, 2012
bashy_demy: Sorry Ewu are you conparing a 1990 Honda accord to a 2009 accord?

See who is calling somebody a 'goat'.

This internet that just allows ignoramus type without any thought.

The young man is wrong to compare 1990 Honda to 2009 Honda based on price, but not becuase the 2009 Honda is better quality than 1990.
the simple way to compare prices is to workout how many hours, or days a person has to work in 1990 to purchase an item compared to how days or hours a person works in 2009 to purhcase the same item.

for instance, if a daily paid labourer in 1990 worked a building site for day and earned N5, that N1 could buy him one plate of eba and one piece of meat. In 2009 the same labourer works for one day on the building site and earns N500, he uses N200 to buy one plate of eba and one piece of meat. (Net Present Value NPV) from here you can work out the real inflation rate.
Nairaland / General / Re: Did You Use 5 & 10 Kobo Coins? (pics) by faithin9ja: 8:06am On Sep 07, 2012
occam:

Its about the purchasing power of the Naira not NPV. In 1994 diollar was N35; today it's N160. And because we import everything, inflation is always high and wages will rise constantly to keep without

In the early 80s the naira had real purchasing power, today it's worthless like toilet paper. That's what I'm talking about

Since IBB introduced SAP the Naira has been on a downward spiral. When you can buy food for N5 then and today N200 gets u nada

Compare price increase in USA/Canada vs Nigeria in for the last 20 yrs and you'll see how much imported inflation has decimated our economy.


Young man, you are still missing the point.

Nobody doubts inflation, but even the US dollar you use as a yardstick has changed in value since 1994, actually prices have more than trebled in the US since 1994 (I gave you the UK example above).

What you fail to mention is incomes have gone up markedly since 1994. Are people still earning 1994 salaries? actually many things such as cars are even more affordable today than in 1994 Nigeria. It was in the early 90's that Nigerians started buying imported tokunbo cars'. In present day Nigeria, Nigerians have started buying brand new cars again (with a downward blimp in 2010)

I asked you, if you currently earn a salary, compare what you earn now to what your father earned in 1994.

By the way I bought my first car in 1985 in my final year university - a N200, 12 year volkswagen beetle.
Nairaland / General / Re: Did You Use 5 & 10 Kobo Coins? (pics) by faithin9ja: 11:14pm On Sep 06, 2012
occam: Let's do some math here:

In 1994, my dad bought a Honda accord for N150,000. I believe it was a 1990 model tokunbo from a dealer in western ave.

Today a 2009 accord sells for N2.5 million. So 17 yrs ago this amont will buy me 16 accords! 17yrs ago

Mehn things don wowo for this our Naija no be small o

Any other item to compare?

Young man stop displaying your ignorance. Value of money always changes over the years. Your money has a very different value today - in economics it's called NPV (net present value)

In 1994 your Dad was earning how much? Perhaps N10,000 a month (that's what middle level bankers earned in the mid 90's) today middle level bankers earn N300,000 a month.

1990 rent for a flat in UK was £350 per month, today it's £1500 a month. Just one example. Go on brush up on your economics
Nairaland / General / Re: Did You Use 5 & 10 Kobo Coins? (pics) by faithin9ja: 7:55pm On Sep 06, 2012
1988 I went to British Commission Consular on Marina (the Kwellams Building) near current UBA House. It cost me [b]10 kobo for molue [/b]from Pleasure Bus Stop on Abeokuta ByPass (near Iyana Ipaja)

1988 here oh! e no far like that
Politics / Re: 240 New Factories In A Year By MAN by faithin9ja: 1:05pm On Sep 06, 2012
Pure water, plastic buckets, body lotion, soap, shoess and sandals, individuals and small businesses are opening everyday all over Nigeria. Do you think it's only Petro chemical factory, refinery that are factories?

even small workshop can be considered factory if they register with MAN

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Politics / Re: FG Endorses N5000 Note Introduction by faithin9ja: 8:28pm On Sep 05, 2012
carlinks: Atimes i wonder who is fooling who..a fetus in the womb knows the harsh economic implications of the CBN's CURE project on their purchasing power...let's break this down..minimum wage is 18k,the new NEPA bill in my flat now is 3500 monthly..leaves the guy with 14,500 left..fuel price has gone up so has transportation cost so he has to pay more to fuel his gen and pay more to get to work..i beg,what is that guy left with@the end of the month?? and GEJ wana add this CBN's evil CURE to it!!! a lot of doctorate degree doesn't make someone smart and intelligent atimes...GEJ and SLS are good examples why not to have a Doctorate degree...2 moronic confused imbeciles

This is common secondary school economics for goodness sake and GEJ just needs to pull his face out of his Anus to see this

Foolish talk, you live in a flat and earn N18,000 a month? Life is about levels, minimum wage earners in UK or US cannot afford to live UK or US flats. Minimum wage is not average wage.

You complain you spend N3500 on your NEPA bill a month, tell the truth how much do you spend on recharge cards? Or beer? How many of your close friends earn N18,000 a month
Politics / Re: FG Endorses N5000 Note Introduction by faithin9ja: 1:46pm On Sep 05, 2012
Olu_Bendel:

Sorry sir/ma, we are not as illiterate and ignorant as you want to believe.We are just facing plain realities of the circumstances of Nigeria, the perpetual disconnect between the lead vs leaders, rich vs poor

The crux of these barrage is that a government is not doing enough to protect the common man (70% of who live on less than 2 dollars a day), will go to any length to make life easier for the rich, at the end of the day the rich only gets richer and the poor masses gets poorer.

Yes, nothing is wrong woth paying a taxi driver in coins, but do you know that presently Nigerian banks don't even accept coins as deposits from customers? is that the situation in UK?

When you say we useD coins before the mid 80's, remember our highest bill then was N20!

Yes, they will still be corrupt, but they will not find it easy carting their loots if our highest bills remains as it is.remember one of the reasons for going cashless was to curb corruption, as most illegal deals are cash based (to avoid trails), no criminal wants to pass their loot through the banking system or cashlessly.

The poor are the victim of this new policy, it will not affect many of those opposing, who barely use the lower notes as they are already.The lower bills are mostly used by the poor and less priviledged,and you'd be shocked how much these monies are valued outside the city centers(especially in the rural areas) once you coin these notes IT WILL GO OUT OF USE, it has been proven time and time over in this environment, we need not make pretenses about it with big sounding grammars and UK templates.

How many will the pure water/orange seller be able to hold in his/her pocket before they start to wear him/how down? which bank will they take them to at the end of the day's sales? will you expect him/her to still collect them the next day after the agony of the previous day? no sir, he will simply tell you "oga na 5 for Hundred naira" then goes the end of the coins.


This is what I don't understnd about people who talk about N20 in 1977. In 1977 N20 was worth almost what N5000 is today. In 1977 people's monthly rent for a one room would be less than N10, so if anyone stole N20 it would be considered the same as stealing N5000 today.

In the late 80's and early 90's the general consensus of obscence wealth was 'owambe' parties people spraying N20 notes!!! that's like people spraying $100 bills in today's economy.

Coins are better for smaller transactions.

Have you forgotten the Molue conductors in Lagos.....enter with your coins oh!!! ko si change, wo le pelu coins oh!!!

as late as 1989 I was enering molue with 10kobo coins who complained?

Get real my friends

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