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ChikezieU: Nah from where this one come from

uchez2: And who made u judge? Why not mention how pastors are building estates abroad and buying private jets while their members are hungry and poor?

Mftivi: I see people who are so blind. really blindness is not loss of sight but loss of understanding.
God won't pity you cos He clearly said it. You are not afraid of God if you bow down to any image of any form cos He said it don't do this. There is no where in the Bible that will condemn me for not Bowing down to Mary or praying to her. I and Yourself who is likely to loose? Think deeply . Have you honoured God enough and he says son its too much find another person to honour? do you know that when dresing up makes you go to service late. that dress of yours is considered an idle by God. yo are really playing wth fire

MEILYN: give us the verses...

MEILYN: like i said you are of the world, you follow the crowd, an Atheist will teach you the bible, i aint going to any gaddamn link/ website, thats why you are confused, you dont read the bible on your own, you goto stupi.d websites giving you their own opinion. Give me a bible verse that says premarital sex is fornication and i will forget this argument and leave this thread, i will also change my opinion regards this issue.

MEILYN: you just quote the bible without knowing what the bible is saying. Nobody is saying fornication is good, we are just saying fornication doesnt mean what you think it means.it doesnt mean premarital sex.

Samabu07: Yes, john the disciple of jesus. At Jesus death on the cross, he said to his mother, Mother behold your son, son behold your mother, from that day on, the disciple took her to live on his home. (John 19v26-27).

unongu: Most Protestants claim that Mary bore children other than Jesus. To support their claim, these Protestants refer to the biblical passages which mention the "brethren of the Lord." As explained in the Catholic Answers tract Brethren of the Lord, neither the Gospel accounts nor the early Christians attest to the notion that Mary bore other children besides Jesus. The faithful knew, through the witness of Scripture and Tradition, that Jesus was Mary’s only child and that she remained a lifelong virgin. 

An important historical document which supports the teaching of Mary’s perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James, which was written probably less than sixty years after the conclusion of Mary’s earthly life (around A.D. 120), when memories of her life were still vivid in the minds of many. 

According to the world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: "The principal aim of the whole writing [Protoevangelium of James] is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ" (Patrology, 1:120–1). 

To begin with, the Protoevangelium records that when Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, as Samuel had been by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Sam. 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36–37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary would not be able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother. Rather, she was vowed to a life of perpetual virginity. 

However, due to considerations of ceremonial cleanliness, it was eventually necessary for Mary, a consecrated "virgin of the Lord," to have a guardian or protector who would respect her vow of virginity. Thus, according to the Protoevangelium, Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen to be her spouse. (This would also explain why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels, and since Mary is entrusted to John, rather than to her husband Joseph, at the crucifixion). 

According to the Protoevangelium, Joseph was required to regard Mary’s vow of virginity with the utmost respect. The gravity of his responsibility as the guardian of a virgin was indicated by the fact that, when she was discovered to be with child, he had to answer to the Temple authorities, who thought him guilty of defiling a virgin of the Lord. Mary was also accused of having forsaken the Lord by breaking her vow. Keeping this in mind, it is an incredible insult to the Blessed Virgin to say that she broke her vow by bearing children other than her Lord and God, who was conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit. 

The perpetual virginity of Mary has always been reconciled with the biblical references to Christ’s brethren through a proper understanding of the meaning of the term "brethren." The understanding that the brethren of the Lord were Jesus’ stepbrothers (children of Joseph) rather than half-brothers (children of Mary) was the most common one until the time of Jerome (fourth century). It was Jerome who introduced the possibility that Christ’s brethren were actually his cousins, since in Jewish idiom cousins were also referred to as "brethren." The Catholic Church allows the faithful to hold either view, since both are compatible with the reality of Mary’s perpetual virginity. 

Today most Protestants are unaware of these early beliefs regarding Mary’s virginity and the proper interpretation of "the brethren of the Lord." And yet, the Protestant Reformers themselves—Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli—honored the perpetual virginity of Mary and recognized it as the teaching of the Bible, as have other, more modern Protestants.

(catholicanswers.com)

InesQor: Actually he is right. The Bible does not define premarital sex as fornication. And premarital sex does not always include carnal lusts, neither does it always mean a lack of self-control.

"Wherever there is liberty, there is also opportunity for abuse." - InesQor

Nahum777: So you mean the book of Exodus doesnt count?, you follow only one part of the bible huh? stop fooling around bro The God that i serve doesnt change, or you havnt heard? So the old testament is a waste? Why did God bother writing it?

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6).
where in the bible does it say marrying two wives is a sin? And i repeat, marrying two wives isnt a sin. Nowhere did the bible call it a sin.

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness," (Galatians 5:19). and how does this verse support your claim? The thing is that you dont understand the bible, you follow the world, you dont read the bible on your own. Where did the bible define fornication as premarital sex? That is where you are getting it wrong, you dont know the meaning of fornication in the bible.

Nahum777: common go and sit down, u put emotions on everything, how does that verse say premarital sex is a sin? tell me where the bible says premarital sex is a sin?. define fornication with the bible and not your own opinion.

exodus 22 vs 17 16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. 17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins..

fornication isn't premarital sex. fornication is when you dont marry who you sleep with.

Pastor Olu T: This is the problem with all we want definition for everything, and anything that dont fit or fit into the concept our little mind created is taken or discarded as the case maybe.

Do not be deceived God cant be mocked, for whatever a man sows that he shall reap. If you sow to the flesh, u shall of the flesh reap corruption, and if you sow to the spirit u shall of the spirit reap life everlasting!

Eminado01: No one laid any rule down!
Feel free to do whatever you please with your babe, with mutual consent of course, no bible have any right over your intimacy

#society does it, so should you

xxKofoxx: Leave the judgement for God

abubaka101: Though I do not support some of the attitudes displayed by Nigerian religious leaders, I do feel this man's statement is remarkable. "Even if I send someone from hell they would still not listen": I feel this goes out to all those hypocrites deceiving people, and to those ignorant ones too... Always do what is right in the face of God, because the way of man is not the way of God...

kyle kent: My pple r destroyed 4 lack of knowledge.We nw concentrate on irrelevant tns. Seein d important tns as futile.Hw cn wearin bangles,earrings,rings tk 1 to hell?Thou, it is gud 2 luk decent.GOD'S law is base on LOVE.Self righteousness destroys. Peace!

JENMAUCY: Dear fijiano,I dnt think there is need calling names here,you can believe or leave it because you are entitle to your own opinion...but the truth still remains that virgin mary is blessed,as the op said,go to luke 1:27_28,here the angel told her that she is favoured and blessed among women,remember its a message from God,and I know that the angel deliver the message the way the sender ask him to. Let's go futher to verse 40-42,elizabeth stil cal her blessed,because of what she felt immediately she step into her home,it doesn't mean that the angel or elizabeth is worshiping her rather they apreciate what she accepted to do...or did you forget that heaven and earth await her answer after the angel have delivered the message? Yes heaven waits to hear her answer and in verse 38 she said behold am the handmaid of the Lord be it done to me according to thy word...do you know what it means? Even the angel can't leave without hearing her opinion on the message..then in verse 43 ,elizabeth asked her who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me? My dear friends the angel $ elizabeth greeting makes up the hail mary you people hear today...hail mary full of grace the Lord is with you(angel..luk 1:28 )...blessed aree you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (elizabeth luk 1:42 ) then the catholic church taking a look @ what happened at canna in that wedding feast,the role mary played in that miracle that takes place there decides to ask for her intercession not praying to hher! If she can intercede when she is not asked ,what did you think will hapen when she is asked to? She talked to her son and he oblige her on earth even when he is not ready to perform..or do you think Jesus is not aware that the drink has finished? That is where holy mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and till the hour of our death....

The Unbeatable: @ farm tech:

We have different goat breeds in nigerria namely;
Red bororo, west african long legged goat, west african dwarf goat. These are the ones I can identify myself and can talk about. To the best of my knowledge, the west african dwarf goat is best suited to the west and south(edo, delta). They are hardy(rugged, rarely sick, strong) and gives delicious meat especially in "obe ata".
Cost price of weaners is around 3-4k depending on size and location and adult sells for 13- 18k. It is a good business but you can not raise them well in confine( I stand to be corrected anyway but this is what I have known with experience).

pman06: My suggestion is that, if you have such money to buy the lands, why not just use it to rent more land, 1hectre is 5k per year. Cheaper and saves cost too.

pman06: My suggestion is that, if you have such money to buy the lands, why not just use it to rent more land, 1hectre is 5k per year. Cheaper and saves cost too.

pman06: My suggestion is that, if you have such money to buy the lands, why not just use it to rent more land, 1hectre is 5k per year. Cheaper and saves cost too.

quivah: Guess we misunderstood you..
But your stories from people from hell only bring fears to the heart of people.. this is not the reason Jesus came..

Some of your personal beliefs are misleading.
Please stop them! And help people work toward their salvation not instil fear! with your usual "if you do this,you go to hell" evangelism.

As regards to this,joining the army is not the issue. It has nothing to do with your spiritual life,just like the lawyers..you are actually helping your neighbours as the Lord requested..

Let the Holy Spirit put you through.

FarmTech: Hello Nairalanders. I hav great interest in goat farming but I'll like to know if there is one in nigeria, especially in the south or east region. Another question: can all those northern goat breeds resist tse tse fly in the south? Thanks as i anticipate ur replies.