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Barr chris: @farmtech. Don't u hav enuf bushes arnd u or beta still d grass can b planted on any empty land nd watered in oda to feed d animals...I don't rilli gt wut ur problem is

in my area, grasses go dry during the dry seaon

Borno boko? I wish it was in south

Mina98: Instead of settling your case with her amicably you decided to drag narialanders into it leave the woman to enjoy her husband's money and remember she has children. Can't you people go and work for your money and stop depending on a dead man's money? Bianca doesn't even have your time,write a formal petition and stop this unfruitful dissemination of false information.

are u really that heartless? Are they not Ojukwu's sons too? Why talk like this? Is it bc you're a female? I wish you exactly the same plight they are facing

Any more ideas pls?

Barr chris: Sum pics of ma produce lik I promised bf. 2608C343 08187321260 or 08069212535

those are quite cute pictures. My problem with rabbit and grasscutter is how to feed them grass during the dry season. Also, can they eat their way out of a wooden cage?

The Unbeatable: @ farm tech:
Brooooooda,
I so much believe in your guts. It gingers my teaching instinct but I must ask you some questions, my brother.
1 do you have an operating farm? Please pardon my ignorance.
2 if yes, how many world class animals are there?
3 do all animals adapt to thesame climatic conditions?
4 why are you not growing this common "green apples" at your back yard?
( Laughing in my mind)
I like your enthusiasm and vision its incomparable.
Mind you, I am not morking you. I just want your vison to be clear to the reality of what our challenges in Nigeria, that is why this website is called "Nairaland.com"

...Embraces...
Your Brother,
The Unbeatable!

Thanks once again for your reply. I currently have a poultry layers farm on a small portion of land. I am just trying to see how feasible boer goat farming will be in the south region where tse tse fly might pose a problem. I dont really know yet whether they can resist this fly despite all my googling.

I read mechanical eng. But I'm currently practicing poultry farming. Anambra state. 6 months IT experience in a truck maintenence workshop

vizkiz: let he who has never watched p¤rn cast d first stone

The op is telling u to repent, he is not stoning you to death. The fact that u were a sinner is nt the main issue. The main issue is: have u repented? Jesus came for sinners to repent, p orn is a sin and u guys need to repent frm it.

Jay clinics: Omg! can't stop laughing.
I knew that posting this will be suicidal.
But, thank God i have passed the message.
onye were nti, ya nuru(person wey get ear make em hear)

God bless you. Even if majority are against u, just know that in the last days, evil men will rise and fill everywhere. But we'll keep telling them to repent.

R/s u start online can be quite dangerous. U dont even know who he is, whether a gud or e vil guy. Is that hw most foolish girls get into a r/s and later start crying? If u dont repent frm this way men will break ur heart to pieces... And men beware, some de mon possessed ladies are on the prowl seeking who to sacrifice to lu cifer. Everyone shud zip up. Pray for self control and a discerning spirit.

R/s u start online can be quite dangerous. U dont even know who he is, whether a gud or evil guy. Is that hw most foolish girls get into a r/s and later start crying? If u dont repent frm this way men will break ur heart to pieces... And men beware, some demon possessed ladies are on the prowl seeking who to sacrifice to lucifer. Everyone shud zip up. Pray for self control and a discerning spirit.

toshmann: Truth be say, most of those screaming s3x after marriage don screw tire without wedding ring. Hipocrisy no be new thing

Instead of s3x after marriage lets be realistic and preach safe s3x or single s3x partner and eschew promiscuity and lasciviousness

which religi ion are u?

Interested

I totally agree with u. Those that are currently into fornication will hardly agree with you. Fornicators usually confess that they find it very difficult or impossible to quit. At a point, some will even start justifying their actions. Some will turn atheist because of fornication. The truth is very bitter. May God deliver all fornicators on Nairaland in Jesus name, AMEN.

erad: I don't know if i should call you bro or sis, but whichever you are... sex plays a very important role in marriage. Maybe you should do a little google research and see the number of marriages that have been destroyed on sexual grounds. Check statistics and see that it is a serious issue in marriages, or why do you think people commit suicide for being impotent and sex enhancement drugs sell so much?

Note: I'm not supporting the OP but as much as you guys might want to bring religion and sentiments into this, the guy has a point.

Answer his question. Will you give your own daughter that advice? Every man that comes her way shud first test her. Will you?

erad: Are they kids? Everyone has a mind of their own and God blessed us with brains to think and reach conclusions.

This is someone's personal opinion and you guys are acting like its more than that. Or is there a form of guilt pricking you somewhere?

No one is asking anyone to agree with anyone, its a free world. There's a reason God gave you freewill, so that nobody can force you to do anything against your will... Use it accordingly.

of course there is freewill. But some choices u make can lead you to hell. That is why God asked His children to warn those making the wrong choice. God is against sex b4 marriage. It will condemn u.

born_to_be_gr8t: Must u guys bring God into this

why not? Are u wiser than God that says no sex b4 marriage?

ChikezieU: Nah from where this one come from

where I come from does not matter. But I will not fail to warn my generation of the dangers of sin. Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

uchez2: And who made u judge? Why not mention how pastors are building estates abroad and buying private jets while their members are hungry and poor?

who made me judge? Well, read john 7:21 and see who made me judge. If you want me to talk about those pastors, open a thread about it and i will talk about them. Talking about it here is an unnecessary deviation from the topic we're discussing.

Mftivi: I see people who are so blind. really blindness is not loss of sight but loss of understanding.
God won't pity you cos He clearly said it. You are not afraid of God if you bow down to any image of any form cos He said it don't do this. There is no where in the Bible that will condemn me for not Bowing down to Mary or praying to her. I and Yourself who is likely to loose? Think deeply . Have you honoured God enough and he says son its too much find another person to honour? do you know that when dresing up makes you go to service late. that dress of yours is considered an idle by God. yo are really playing wth fire

God bless u.

MEILYN: give us the verses...

view my post after this one.

MEILYN: like i said you are of the world, you follow the crowd, an Atheist will teach you the bible, i aint going to any gaddamn link/ website, thats why you are confused, you dont read the bible on your own, you goto stupi.d websites giving you their own opinion. Give me a bible verse that says premarital sex is fornication and i will forget this argument and leave this thread, i will also change my opinion regards this issue.

i dont really know your intellectual level. First of all, ask urself what is for nication and what is premarital sex. Can u define both terms? An unmarried person that is sleeping with sb of the opposite s ex is guity of both fornication and premarital s ex. A married person that commits adultery is guity of fornication. In other words, all persons guity of premarital s ex are for nicators but not all fornicators are guity of premarital s ex. Both fornica tion and premarital s ex can be grouped under the sin of sexual immorality. Do I need to show u verses that talk against that? The problem many have is understanding simple English. Here is a post I made earlier: For nication can be defined as having s ex with sb u're not married to. Premarital s ex means s ex before marriage and it applies to all unmarried men and women that are into se xual inter couse. For nication on the other hand applies to both married and unmarried men.

MEILYN: you just quote the bible without knowing what the bible is saying. Nobody is saying fornication is good, we are just saying fornication doesnt mean what you think it means.it doesnt mean premarital sex.

for nication can be defined as having s ex with sb u're not married to. Premarital s ex means s ex before marriage and it applies to all unmarried men and women that are into se xual inter couse. For nication on the other hand applies to both married and unmarried men. I understand fully what this thread is all about. The poster is asking: fornication, is it a "neccessary" sin? And I'm saying that fornication is a sin. There is no excuse that will make it a neccessary sin.

Samabu07: Yes, john the disciple of jesus. At Jesus death on the cross, he said to his mother, Mother behold your son, son behold your mother, from that day on, the disciple took her to live on his home. (John 19v26-27).

you did not answer my question. Did John honor Mary by interceding thru her? Did he called her mother of God? If Mary is to be exalted the way you people depict it, the apostles would have set an example. Paul would have written a lot about her.

unongu: Most Protestants claim that Mary bore children other than Jesus. To support their claim, these Protestants refer to the biblical passages which mention the "brethren of the Lord." As explained in the Catholic Answers tract Brethren of the Lord, neither the Gospel accounts nor the early Christians attest to the notion that Mary bore other children besides Jesus. The faithful knew, through the witness of Scripture and Tradition, that Jesus was Mary’s only child and that she remained a lifelong virgin. 

An important historical document which supports the teaching of Mary’s perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James, which was written probably less than sixty years after the conclusion of Mary’s earthly life (around A.D. 120), when memories of her life were still vivid in the minds of many. 

According to the world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: "The principal aim of the whole writing [Protoevangelium of James] is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ" (Patrology, 1:120–1). 

To begin with, the Protoevangelium records that when Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, as Samuel had been by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Sam. 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36–37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary would not be able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother. Rather, she was vowed to a life of perpetual virginity. 

However, due to considerations of ceremonial cleanliness, it was eventually necessary for Mary, a consecrated "virgin of the Lord," to have a guardian or protector who would respect her vow of virginity. Thus, according to the Protoevangelium, Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen to be her spouse. (This would also explain why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels, and since Mary is entrusted to John, rather than to her husband Joseph, at the crucifixion). 

According to the Protoevangelium, Joseph was required to regard Mary’s vow of virginity with the utmost respect. The gravity of his responsibility as the guardian of a virgin was indicated by the fact that, when she was discovered to be with child, he had to answer to the Temple authorities, who thought him guilty of defiling a virgin of the Lord. Mary was also accused of having forsaken the Lord by breaking her vow. Keeping this in mind, it is an incredible insult to the Blessed Virgin to say that she broke her vow by bearing children other than her Lord and God, who was conceived through the power of the Holy Spirit. 

The perpetual virginity of Mary has always been reconciled with the biblical references to Christ’s brethren through a proper understanding of the meaning of the term "brethren." The understanding that the brethren of the Lord were Jesus’ stepbrothers (children of Joseph) rather than half-brothers (children of Mary) was the most common one until the time of Jerome (fourth century). It was Jerome who introduced the possibility that Christ’s brethren were actually his cousins, since in Jewish idiom cousins were also referred to as "brethren." The Catholic Church allows the faithful to hold either view, since both are compatible with the reality of Mary’s perpetual virginity. 

Today most Protestants are unaware of these early beliefs regarding Mary’s virginity and the proper interpretation of "the brethren of the Lord." And yet, the Protestant Reformers themselves—Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli—honored the perpetual virginity of Mary and recognized it as the teaching of the Bible, as have other, more modern Protestants.

(catholicanswers.com)

you need to read: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-siblings.html. A lot of passages said that jesus had brothers, not cousins. In the original greek language from which the bible was translated, there is a greek word for cousin, there is also a greek word for brother. Then ask urself, if Jesus had cousins, why wasnt the greek word for cousin used in all those passages? Why was only brother used? The way to hell is broad, and a lot of catholics are herding there.

InesQor: Actually he is right. The Bible does not define premarital sex as fornication. And premarital sex does not always include carnal lusts, neither does it always mean a lack of self-control.

"Wherever there is liberty, there is also opportunity for abuse." - InesQor

for nica tion means having se x with sb u're nt married to. Prem arital se x means s ex b4 marriage. The bible clearly condemned both.

[quote author=InesQor]Well said! We should not forget that translations can tend to cause a loss of perspective if one is not careful.

Here's my 2 cents, say we pardon the length.

First, a caveat: there is a pattern in the Bible that tells us about what God really dislikes about sin, and this can help Christians understand it better rather than imagine that God is just trying to kill their fun. These patterns can help understand what the real issue is, here.

The patterns I refer to indicate that sin is generally anything which has the potential to damage your relationship with God. Your relationship with God can be damaged by such things as
(A) a poisoning of your faith, tending to lose your trust in God
(B) a distraction of your focus on spiritual matters, or
(C) being unjust by harming others (that are also loved by God, are they not?)

Now to the matter. He hit the nail on the head, yet I don't fully agree with Goshen360 that "never does it mean pre-marital se.x".
If harlo'try / prosti'tution / ince'st or another form of illegitimate sex is involved in that instance of pre-marital sex, then it is still a fornication. Harlo'try / prosti'tution is a form of illicit i.e. illegitimate sex.

In papyri and other ancient manuscripts, fornication is synonymously used with "disease" or "any active excess of evil", while in the Bible there are 3 definitions of fornication: 2 Hebrew and one Greek.

Biblical definitions of fornication using Strong's Greek and Hebrew Concordances

- (Hebrew 2181) zanah:
to commit adultery (usually on the female, and less often of simple fornication, rarely of involuntary ravishment);
fig. To commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of [Yahweh])…
The Complete Word Study of the Old Testament gives more context to the Hebrew zanah in its Lexical Aid as follows: "To fornicate, commit fornication, be a har'lot, play the har'lot, commit adulte'ry; to apostatize, have inte'rcourse with false g-ds or foreigners; to seduce. The main idea is to commit illicit se'xual intercourse, particularly with women. However, this strong image is used in a figurative sense to describe illegal contact between Israel and other nations and their g-ds…"
Summarily, zanah means playing a harlot, illicit sex, marital illicit sex, and idolatry (worship of a person/thing besides God).

- (Hebrew 8457) taznuth:
a type of idolatry
Summarily, forni'cation translated as taznuth is used only once to mean idolatry (Ezekiel 16:29) and there is no other context to compare it to.

- (Greek 4202) por'neia:
from 4203; harl'otry (incl. Adulte'ry and ince'st);
fig. Idolatry: - forni'cation.
Summarily, por'neia often refers to various forms of illicit sex, physically and metaphorically. In 1 Cor 5, Paul asked the Christians to disallow a sin in their assembly. Someone was sleeping with his father's wife, and this was called a fornication. Modern Christians would have called this an adult'ery or inces't but fornication was good enough for Paul to convey his meaning i.e. illicit sex.

In a number of other Biblical instances, fornication refers to engaging with Baal temple prosti'tutes (which is a combination of both physical harlo'try and spiritual harlo'try). In some ancient pagan practices, sex was an integral part of worship activities.

Let's bring it all together.

[size=11pt]Fornication broadly has a physical connotation and a metaphorical connotation:
- Physically it refers to various forms of illicit / illegitimate sex. Pedophi'lia, bestia'lity, harlo'try, ra'pe and other Biblical sexu'al restrictions are all included in this definition. As the papyri sources also said, a disease or any active excess of evil.
Generally, this kind of sex is harmful because it is the type of sex that takes advantage and avoids any kind of commitment. It is a sin because of patterns B and C above.
- Metaphorically, fornication refers to harlotry of the soul. This is an illicit connection / coupling with an idol. It's interesting to note that this is the more prevalent fornication that Christians should be worried about, and not the above. That "must see" TV show, that sport that makes you lose yourself, that b... [/quote author=InesQor] so the summary of wot u're saying is that if someone cares for the person he/she is fornicating with, then the fornication is not a sin? Jesus Christ, no wonder, people have even justified homo and lesbianism.

Nahum777: So you mean the book of Exodus doesnt count?, you follow only one part of the bible huh? stop fooling around bro The God that i serve doesnt change, or you havnt heard? So the old testament is a waste? Why did God bother writing it?

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6).
where in the bible does it say marrying two wives is a sin? And i repeat, marrying two wives isnt a sin. Nowhere did the bible call it a sin.

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness," (Galatians 5:19). and how does this verse support your claim? The thing is that you dont understand the bible, you follow the world, you dont read the bible on your own. Where did the bible define fornication as premarital sex? That is where you are getting it wrong, you dont know the meaning of fornication in the bible.

answer to your confusion can be found here:http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp75.htm. Better clear ur head b4 u find urself in hell. God ccan give u over to lust and unatural desires if u hardens ur heart. I dont know how long u hav been into fornicatn and still harden ur heart. Now u're totally convinced and confused. May God deliver u. Amen.

Nahum777: common go and sit down, u put emotions on everything, how does that verse say premarital sex is a sin? tell me where the bible says premarital sex is a sin?. define fornication with the bible and not your own opinion.

exodus 22 vs 17 16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. 17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins..

fornication isn't premarital sex. fornication is when you dont marry who you sleep with.

1 cor 6: 18 flee from fornication. All other sins a person commits are outside his body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against his own body. Read http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Fornication/.