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Seun:
Fellow Nairalanders,

I hereby declare a total war against name checkers on Nairaland.

Anyone who draws attention to the tribe of a criminal on a thread about a crime will be banned.

- Seun Osewa.

PS: I've just made a communication breakthrough with the moderators on this issue. I expect results.

This is a welcome development. The Rwandan genocide started with tribal bashing. This gesture should also extend to the hatred shown by some Christians towards Islam and Muslims, pls. They call Islam and Muslims with all sorts of deragatory names which is excruciating, to say the least.

Thank you @Seun in anticipation.

ElSudani:
You were denying what is basically an historical fact, calling it a lie being peddled on Nairaland! That is absolutely nonsensical.

I was only challenging the miscontrued facts- the repeatedly told lies that the Palestinians have rejected the 2SS many times, and stopping there. The devil in every deal is in the details. Why would the Palestinians aggree to accept a country without having control over its air space, sea, water resources, border, a country that will not have its army? Who will accept a country that can only establish a bilateral relations with another country subject to the approval of a third country (Israel)? Not to even mention the percentage of the land given. Come on dude! You can't be more pro-israel than its then Foreign Affairs minister Shilome ben-Ali who said that the Palestinians have only done what everyone would do. He would have said except you- maybe. Anyone who thinks this is nonsensical then I'm afraid he should have his head properly examined.

ElSudani:
Look at the current map again and tell us if in hindsight the Palestinians should not have taken the opportunity to have their own state and then fight from a position of power rather than to forever be at the mercy of Israel.
My initial post was not for or against Israel, I have no horse in the race. I was just stating the facts which you immediately attacked as something being peddled on Nairaland.
I then provided you with more facts, now you are hurling insults.
Let's put this to rest, at least you learned something you did not know before.

You accused me of writing "a whole bunch of nonsensical stuff" and you're now also accusing me of insulting you... I've indeed learned something, that some people can be funny.

kkins25:
I wonder what happened to the indigenous Jews..

"Most of whom..." ought to have answered your question. Most is not all...

ElSudani:
You've written a whole bunch of nonsensical stuff which is unrelated to what I said about the UN resolution in 1947 which could have created two states in Palestine.
Here it is; educate yourself and there are tons of information on the subject. I didn't make any of it up.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/11/19/israel-palestine-a-short-history-of-the-two-state-solution_6269446_4.html

Lol. I thought you're brilliant even if not intelligent enough to know that the devil in every deal lies in the details. Sadly I'm wrong. What you posted reiterated what every right-thinking person is saying, that the 2SS proposals have always been unfair to the Palestinian people. The Jewish tiny population most of whom migrated and settled there only recently was given "55 percent of Palestine." Then the "dispossession of the majority indigenous population (Palestinians) in favour of the recently settled Jewish migrants..." This is from the article you posted. Did you now see where the "devil" is or it's stil beyond your comprehension?
Let me ask you this, if I come to your village where your ancestors have lived all their lives throughout history and tell you that someone has written somewhere that god (whoever that is) has promised me your home centuries ago, what will be your reaction? I hope this easy-to-grasp analogy is also not beyond your comprehension.

ElSudani:
I didn't get my information from Nairaland. A simple Google search will give you all the information you need on the subject.

Most information on Nairaland are even more credible than most information one can get in Google, especially when it involves Israel. We all know who owns Google by the way. Just because a lie has been repeatedly told doesn't change the fact that it's still a lie.

To the topic, the only Israeli PM who showed commitment to the 2SS was Yitzhak Rabin based on the 1993 Oslo Accord, and it was on that commitment that he got assassinated publicly by Yigal Amir, a jewish extremist in 1995.

The camp David Summit in the year 2000 came fairly close to creating a 2SS during Ehud Barak. It came crashing down when Barak warned the Americans that he could not accept giving the Palestinians more than a purely symbolic sovereignty over any part of East Jerusalem. In total, Israel demanded that Palestine's territory in East Jerusalem be reduced to eight sections including six small enclaves. Palestinians objected to the lack of sovereignty and to the right of Israel to keep Jewish neighbourhoods that it built over the Green Line in East Jerusalem.

The Israel also wanted to set up radar stations inside the Palestinian state, and be allowed to use its airspace. Israel also wanted the right to deploy troops on Palestinian territory in the event of an emergency, and the stationing of an international force in the Jordan Valley. Palestinian authorities would maintain control of border crossings under temporary Israeli observation. Israel would maintain a permanent security presence along the Palestinian-Jordanian border.

Israel also demanded that the Palestinian state be demilitarized with the exception of its paramilitary security forces, that it would not make alliances without Israeli approval or allow the introduction of foreign forces west of the Jordan River.

One of Israel's strongest demands was that Arafat declare the conflict over, and make no further demands. Israel also wanted water resources in the West Bank to be shared by both sides and remain under Israeli management. Israeli control of water resources in the new (almost) Palestinian state, along with de facto Israeli control over borders and the total demilitarisation of the Palestinian state basically guarantees that Palestine would be an Israeli state.

Robert Malley, part of the Clinton administration and present at the summit, wrote that Arafat was told that Israel would not only retain sovereignty over some Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, but Haram Al Sharif too, and Arafat was also asked to accept a 9-to-1 ratio in land swaps.

Shlomo Ben-Ami, then Israel's Minister of Foreign Relations who participated in the talks stated on Democracy now in 2006 that "Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well." Who would not- if I may ask? You, maybe.

The Palestinians compromised quite a bit. They started by asking for a state based on pre 1967 borders. The Israelis rejected that so they asked for borders based on 1967. The Israelis also rejected that so they asked for complete control over the West Bank and Gaza. The Israelis rejected that. And the same Palestinians are unjustly accused by people like you of rejecting the 2SS.

These and more are all documented by even the Israeli media such as the Haretz and by many Israeli authors such as Uri Avnery, Dan Cohen, and Ilan Pappe, among others.

How some people try at-all-cost to be more Jews than the Jews themselves, baffles me.

Who doesn't know that it was Israel and Obama that created the ISIS? Who doesn't know that Al Baghdadi, the ISIS Chief was an Iraqi Jew on the payroll of Mossad? Was it a coincidence that all the ISIS did was to capture oil fields and cities/towns with refineries? Just like Israel established and financed ISIS in the south, it is also financing another terror group in Sinai in the North to destablise Egypt. There is no terror group anywhere in the world without the involvement of Israel and the US, directly or indirectly.

ElSudani:
No side is morally superior to the other in this conflict, they both want to annihilate each other. Only external forces can bring peace to that region.
In 1947 the U.N proposed to create two states side by side, one Jewish one Palestinian.
The Jews accepted the proposal but the Arabs rejected it and decided to destroy the Jewish state. The Jews on the other hand decided to do the same thing to them.
Both of them have been still trying to destroy each other ever since.

The allegation that the Palestinians have rejected the 2SS has been echoed repeatedly on this flatform but there is no iota of truth in it. It is a lie, a pure lie.

Good! May Allah continue to guide and bless you and your endeavour. You're a true son of your parents. May they live long to enjoy this in good health. Ameen. You'll never lack, Insha Allah.

faceland:
It took Hitler 30 years of propaganda to rally the population to gas the Jews. They know the danger.

Tell them to retrace their steps, then. Is it a coincidence that they were expelled from more than 130 countries at one time or the other? They're worse than anything anyone can imagine.

misreal:
This is good.
Before Nairaland was taken down,I noticed some very anti Israel post going to front page.

Imagine! Just imagine... When will you people learn to use your God-given brain? When?

To hell with the rogue terrorist state, the occupiers, the apartheid regime, the land grabbers, the gay capital of the world, the racists, the murderers of women and children... To hell with them and their gullible supporters.

Thank you, @ Op.

Barka da Jumu'ah brothers and sisters.

Op, thank you. Barka da Jumu'ah brothers and sisters.

Just the same way Plateau state kept excluding Muslims and their communities from anything meaningful, palliative inclusive. Only recently Remi Tinubu travelled all the way to Jos and distributed #500,000,000 to 500 families but couldn't give a dime to a single Muslim.

SaLongs1:
A Nigerian Christian does not covertly support Boko haram, ISWAP, bandits and marauding herdsmen as the muslims of the northern part do.

But they do support IPOB? Incurable ignoramus.

BB knows that he's a goner as soon as this is over. The Commission of Inquiry on Intelligence failure is yet to start its sittings. His attempted judicial reform met stiff resistance from the public. His approval rating nosedived even before this started. The man's political future is bleak. Thankfully, he'll finish his remaining days in jail, either in Israel for his many corrupt pasts, or in Hague for his genocide.

sreamsense:
.. buy your Hamas killed women, children and civilians when they raised Isreal to buy trouble that is consuming them now. You should have asked this kind of question from Hamas when they entered Isreal to look for trouble instead of you, Arab and Muslim world dancing around shouting Allah Akbar. Didn't Hamas know that their women and children will be killed before they used civilians as shade? Now, go and call Mohammed to come and fight Isreal for you if you are so annoyed. God bless Isreal!

Did the conflict start on the October 7th? Stop exposing your stupidity.

SaLongs1:
The elimination of the terrorist Hamas is an ongoing process and not an event.

You seem to be oblivious to history.

ceejayluv:
Several Hamas fighters have been killed and captured. In the early days of the war, I watched a few interrogations of captured Hamas minions.

But every media channel including CNN has said that those captured were civilians. In fact, some media houses could identify their staff among the so-called captured "fighters".

payaseriy:
mod please ban this guy

Isreal is worse than a terrorist country. Every right-thinking person knows this.

TemplarLandry:
No antisemitic comments please. No more troubles for Nairaland.

To hell with the occupiers, the apartheid regime, the racists, the land grabbers, the murderers of women and children... To hell with them and their supporters.

That the Israeli forces have failed woefully to either eliminate Hamas as they vowed or rescue their hostages after nearly 80 days of senseless and relentless genocidal bombardment as promised, is in itself a colossal failure for the IDF.

BTW: this is what Reuters reported:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-turns-gaza-streets-into-deadly-maze-israeli-troops-2023-12-15/

Why the propaganda is failing:

https://amp.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3244398/why-israels-propaganda-war-has-been-just-complete-mess

Botragelad:
He's right.

I don't get why the Yanks keep letting in these dodgy immigrants. They're flooding in like there's no tomorrow. Ruining the place and no one's saying a word.

Paris is almost if not a shadow of its former self, with many streets spoiled by the actions of a few illegal black immigrants. Even the United Kingdom, my beloved, is not immune to this issue. It seems that lads can't even enjoy a pint at the local pub without fear of being harmed by Islamic terrorists, etc. I wonder why the government accepts these folks and allows this sort of behaviour to continue. Disgusting.

The other day, some Muslim bloke molested a 14-year-old girl, and her dad had a go at him. But no one had the guts to give him a punch. This is not a rare occurrence, you know. Europe, especially France, UK, Switzerland, has gone soft.
These guys are literally everywhere, breeding and breeding. Deport them all I say!

This guy, as dirty as a Jew, keeps constituting nuisance everywhere. A wanna be Jew like you can't point a finger to an immigrant, not in this world. It's on record that the Jews were expelled from at least, 130 countries for their corrupt way of life. Tell Trump the son of a German father and a Scottish mother that it's his fellow white supremacists that keeps terrorising the US cities with their mass shootings in schools and malls. The US should also stop destabilising and stealing the resources of the Muslim countries. You can only deceive the few gullible ones.

Congratulations bro. Keep making yourself, your family, and your country proud. Don't, for whatever reason, be like those from that tribe.

I no mention any tribe oo... So nobody should quote me, abeg.

[
The Jebusites had been conquered and eliminated by the Jews more than 5,000 years ago, and the ones that remained alive had been assimilated as Jew[/quote]Lol. I wish you can channel this energy to defending the truth not misleading the people you think are also gullibles. We knownwhere the Jews came from but we arebyet to know where the Plaestinians came from. Again, narrow your discussion to the Bible written by the same Jews you blindly defend and leave the Qur'an out of it. There is no mention of Saudia, Lebanon, Egypt, or Turkey in the Qur'an... So? And, when Qur'an mention Isra-il is referring to Prophet Ya'aqoob (Jacob) (Isra-il means servant of Allah by the way). You still couldn't tell us that Abraham whom the Jews claimed to have descended from, wasn't from Ur (Iraq), and migrated to Jerusalem only at 75.

LordReed:
You must be a village idiot. UK government gave a travel advisory and dundi like you is calling it trash. How is carrying a bible in your luggage importation? Meanwhile it is clearly written there that it is ILLEGAL to possess a bible in Somalia but your addled brain skipped it and started talking nonsense.

OK some forms of oppression are good? You are obviously sick in the brain.

Lol. The coffin-dogging idiat can't pretend anymore. Anything to provoke your anger is music to my ear. Go and read the trash you posted once again may be you didn't see evangelical there. Who are you even going to evangelise in Libya, Somalia, and Afghanistan? Other Christian countries have banned Qur'an and no one is raising an eyebrow but you swaggering, incompetent, brainless baboon is here ranting shamelessly and stupidly. How can a follower of a religion that produced the likes of Hiraclitus, Napoleon, Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, Bush, Blair and many other genocidal tyrants have the guts to even talk of oppression? Read about the crusades and colonisation to understand better what is oppression and it was done by the western Christian countries you consider your gods. I repeat, stop making a carricature of yourself. Mor@n.

LordReed:
You are the caricature here. Educate yourself.

Only you will believe that trash you put up there. "According to the UK..." Lol. But then, why do you have to import Bible for evangelism in countries like Afghanistan in the first place? Importing Bible for evangelism is totally different from possessing Bible which is our borne of contention here. Angola, China, Myanmar, Switzerland all have the same stance on Qur'an and nobody cares. So?

LordReed:
Afghanistan
Somalia
Libya
Maldives

Lol. Did you see how you're trying so desperately to make a caricature of yourself? Stop being a pathological lier, if you're too lazy to read, ask. There are no fewer than 15,000 indigenous Afghan Christians. What book are there reading/using? Christianity was in Somalia long before it reached to Constantinople, there are still Orthodox Christians to date. They may be using the Original Bible not the present concoction made by Paul and Constantine. Which of the Libyans, if I may ask? Libya? Lol. Did you see how you're becoming a laughing stock? How can Maldives that relies heavily on tourism ban Bible in it's country? That's if there are no indigenous Christians there.

Grow up, pls. The world is different from your imaginations.