₦airaland Forum

Zionmdde:
Lol
It's just being scared on standing a ground
If you don't believe anything about creation, then you have no moral rights or grounds to criticize what others believe. Because what exactly is your basis for criticism. You only criticize something based on a standard, so what's the standard for criticizing religious beliefs on creation?

Very interesting.

Now let me use your own logic and turn the spotlight back on you.

Please tell us the moral standard you're using that allows you to judge or criticize others outside your faith?

MadPolitician:
People don't seem to understand that a greater percentage of Nigerias problems lies with a deliberate misapplication of policy because of either a corrupt political structure or because of a very incompetent and totally corrupt out of sort civil service..

Nigerias problems are not necessarily a question of wrong policies. In most cases, the policies may not be the best, but they are good enough to have impactfull results. But they still fail! Why? The civil service is full of incompetent hands and politics is handled by corrupt men.

So whether you want to give out scholarships to gifted students or invest in shiny new infastructural projects, there will always be a blunder somewhere. Someone deliberately or mistakenly making a mess of a reasonably sound government policy. The people that need those scholarships or loans won't get it. And the contracts for those big projects will be inflated, will never be finished on time or might even be sabotaged.

And that is where the rub is; effective management of scarce state resources and not in over prioritising of infastructural developments over business/individuals developments. Many roads have been built, the rebuilt and then rebuilt again since 1999. Same road! Yet in many other countries, some roads are still there since the same time simply because the right hands are in charge in related government agencies..

I gave you a like because you hit the nail on the head in such spectacular fashion.

I've always seen the Nigerian culture as one that discourages people from planning for long term benefits because everyone wants a solution that is immediately applicable. It's the same culture that makes people seek instant gratification for themselves.

This cycle of incompetence that sadly cuts across nearly every sector controlled by the government needs to be broken.

Dieselman:
That's where education comes in. I first talked about skilled work force before talking infrastructures.

Remember he said community A invested in education - that will guarantee skilled work force and will make available the labor force required for those industries to thrive.

The ultimate human capital development remains education and not doling out cash gifts to people to use as start up capital.

Your argument isn't terrible by any means, but I don't think I see it the way you see it (doling out cash gifts).

Calling it "cash gifts" sounds very reductive because the whole idea of empowering people with capital is to create a network of entrepreneurs and private business owners that will drive the economy's growth from the ground up.

This country has a lot of gifted and resourceful people that will greatly benefit from this instead of running out of the country or engaging their resourcefulness in fraudulent activities.

Education is highly important though, I'll give you that. Unfortunately, the Nigerian education system is nothing to write home about.

MaxInDHouse:
LIE!

You make claims but you aren't aware of your claims.

That all the people around you are dumb for believing what was written in books about God.

That the stories are fake.

That you are smarter than religious people.

Do you make these claims or not?

If you don't then there is no reason to disturb you Sir, on behalf of all religious people throughout the world i'm saying we tender an apology!

Since you're on my ignore list, I'll wait for Zionmade to respond for himself.

Thanks for sharing anyways. 👍🏽

stanluiz:
Which Tinubu is building Nigeria ? Is the one that says "Snatch, grab and run like a thief looks like someone that will build Nigeria ?

The same tinubu that is spending tax payers money on Paris hospital while he couldn't even build one single hospital in Nigeria that will treat him.

The same tinubu that him and his cronies are looting Nigeria dry by awarding government contracts to their proxy companies ?

Is it the same man that will build Nigeria ? Shit comot from one side.

Who are you responding to?

Zionmdde:
As an atheist, what claims are you making? We rather start from that

As an atheist, I don't make any claims.

Next question?

Dieselman:
Most people that said B are giving myopic answers. Actually A will be better off in the long run than community B.

This is because the society already has all the necessary conditions required for the community to move from primary ( agrarian) to secondary ( industrialized) economy.

With the presence of schools it means they will have an educated populace with technical know-how. With quality infrastructures in place - good road network, good railway system, stable and constant electricity. This means that the society already has all the necessary features required for industrialization to take place, hence it's now qualified to attract foreign investors in it's economy - we assume it's citizens do not have the resources to invest in the economy.

What will happen here is that most of the people in community B will end up going to community A to invest those resources - where there's enabling environment and this will ensure rapid development of community A while B will remain stagnant with a handful of good residential buildings because of their successful children in diaspora where they do their business.

Remember, that you're at the mercy of the people and government of the community where you do your business. It requires only one government policy for you to lose all that you've labored for.

Again, even without unfavorable government policy, there will naturally be knowledge and technological transfer. As those citizens of community A who are working in the industries established by community B citizens will learn through the ropes at the long run and will branch out to start their own firms backed up by their own favourable government policies. Example is the technological transfer between America and China after American firms moved their production plants from America to China in search of cheap labor. Today China has learned and overtaken them.

So, human capital development no matter how desirable it is cannot be used to compare infrastructural capital development, as the later has more macro economic benefits to the former.

Besides, the ultimate human capital development is education and not just doling out cash to people to invest. Most of the people given those monies will end up squandering them.

This is an Economist speaking.

Cool story, but there's too much emphasis on the infrastructure. How is the infrastructure alone going to guarantee foreign investment? Don't you think a skilled workforce is just as relevant?

If you have all the infrastructure in the whole wide world, but there's no productive economic activity, then what's even your objective? What's your end goal? Where are the direct revenue streams to pay back the loan mentioned in the OP's hypothetical?

OP, wetin we wan come use all these pictures do? Nawa.

Can't wait for this useless drama to be over. People are getting really weird with it.

Did they really disappear? I feel like I've seen their juice cartons in the mall recently.

Chi products are all over the place sha.

Zionmdde:
Lol
We are used to asking Christians to prove that their Bible is true, but when we ask atheists to scientifically prove what they believe in, school will dismiss

Scientifically prove what?

What claims are atheists making? Can you answer that? Let's start from there.

Yoooouu:
Wow, there's a huge amount of atheist idiocy in this thread.

You have the right to feel that way about the conversation, but let's see if your actual critiques justify this statement you've made.

Yoooouu:
They can't be the most evil people on Earth when atheists and the non religious exist. You know, the people responsible for most genocides, massacres and corruption on the planet.

I'll first start by saying that there are atheists who do evil, as it is understood conventionally. It's human nature and history has proven that religious affiliations don't exactly preclude someone from doing evil or not doing evil.

Getting into your actual critique of the "atheist idiocy" you observed, I don't see how someone pointing out the evils - that Christians have done in the past - is inaccurate or false, or worthy of the tag of "atheist idiocy". The dude you quoted didn't tell any lies there, did he? Do you want to tell us that you're not aware of the Crusades? The Thirty Years War? There's many more I might even be forgetting. And the most poignant fact there is that all these were justified by the perpetrators as part of the Christian doctrine. They burnt women deemed as witches and a whole lot of other stuff.

I'm very sure you know all this already, so your outrage at his statement here reveals a bit of insecurity on your part.

Trying to point the finger back at atheists just tells me that you lack self-awareness. When the Crusades happened, wasn't religion the justification for those acts? Even so-called atheists in history who committed evil acts, did it because they were propounding totalitarian ideologies (Stalin, Mao etc). And those ideologies could easily pass for religious beliefs due to their dogmatic nature, which means the joke is still on you.

Atheism has no tenets, no doctrines, no codices, creeds or whatever. It's just a lack of belief in Gods. Why religious people constantly fail to grasp this simple concept baffles me.

And do you really want to discuss scales of mass genocide? You read your Bible don't you? Do you have any idea what your God's body count is?

Yoooouu:
This is clearly mental derangement on your part as well as self projection. Most religious people are good not because of fear of God or the afterlife but because they are aware of what good is and agree with it.

Atheists and the non religious on the other hand...many cannot even comprehend morality and the worst ones are the ones who argue that morality is subjective and therefore all things are justifable. That's when you see true monsters and historically this has been the case with the worst dregs of humanity being atheists.

What's all this nonsense you're typing? Morality precludes religion, just so you know. Every human culture, both the religious ones and the ones that are not religious, have a strict code of ethics. Without these code of ethics, society will collapse. Get yourself an education in the philosophy of ethics before you come here spouting rubbish out of ignorance.

Yoooouu:
Yes, we would.

Meanwhile the non religious and atheists do none of these things. You are hypocrites always judging the religious but you do nothing charitable and you are only filled with venomous hated.

This is the truth and you know it.

So what about Tai Solarin? What about all the secular organizations that do charity like Desta and Children International? Do you think telling cheap lies here will score you points?

I know a wealthy atheist in my neighborhood that is running a program for orphans to teach them digital skills. You opened a new account just yesterday for the sole purpose of attacking atheists without any basis. So far you've not even engaged with other sections of the forum. Who's really the venomous and hateful person here?

Yoooouu:
Have you ever been to atheist or non religious countries? They are the same. The fact you think this is solely exclusive to religious people shows a lack of critical thinking skills on your part as well as how much you are indoctrinated by your hatred.

They're the same? Where? Why don't you give examples and let's see if you're not just talking out of your ass?

I'm not sure what you're driving at here but just in case you're referring to leaders in communist countries then need I remind you that communism is an economic system and not a doctrine in atheism?

Is this entire response from you not idiocy on its own?

LordReed:
Using Uri Geller as example, someone showed to be a fraud on TV. LoLz.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD7OgAdCObs

😂😂😂

I'm not surprised. I knew if I had bothered to look it up, I will just end up uncovering another fraud. But it would have been a waste of time rebutting this clown DaddyCoool with videos like this. I think I'm going to add her (or him) to the ever growing list of Nairaland religious bullshítters that should never be engaged with under any conditions except for mockery of their ridiculousness.

DaddyCoool:
This this story below? I do it all the time. That's not a superpower?

Oopsie, Nairaland won't allow me more screenshots. Reached my limit I guess.

Time to call it a day. Nice chatting y'all. Never forget the universe is weird.
Ciao!!!!

Stupid dishonest troll. The only superpower you have is the power of excuses. 😭💀💀

DaddyCoool:
This this story below? I do it all the time. That's not a superpower?

This comment is unintelligible. Please rephrase. You do what all the time?

DaddyCoool:
Some people have that gift. Why would SOME people have it?? Further proof the universe is weird but we just regard it as normal

You don't have any superpowers. Rest.

DaddyCoool:
That's not my area of expertise

So your prayers and imaginations are useless in healing amputees and mentally rétarded people? Okay. Got it.

What's your superpower again? Lol.

DaddyCoool:
No cursing please. What do you define as superpower

In the context of this particular debate, where you directly asserted that the universe is magical, a superpower would be something that involves the suspension of known laws in any of the natural sciences, ergo supernatural.

DaddyCoool:
You don't always have to achieve. Sometimes you have enough

No wonder you're running around the thread like a chicken with her head cut off.

DaddyCoool:
Anything I want WITH prayers and imagination (it was a typo). So you don't think it is a superpower that I can get anything I really want l? OK o

I know people suffering from mental retárdation here in Delta. I also know an amputee that begs on the roadside somewhere close to my street. Can we arrange a meetup so that you can demonstrate your "superpower"?

DaddyCoool:
What exactly do you want to know. That I have all the money I want AND time to spend it is not a superpower?

It's not. Shut the fúck up.

DaddyCoool:
I have lots of time and unlimited bandwidth

What's the use of your unlimited time and bandwidth when you're not achieving anything tangible with it?

DaddyCoool:
I hope you're not a bad person

Madam please what are your superpowers? "Getting anything you want" is a vague and meaningless sentence.

DaddyCoool:
I can get ANYTHING I want (within reason) with payers and imagination. If that's not a superpower I don't know what is.
The point is that there is something very funny about this our universe but we just like to think it is all linear and logical.
Stories like the one below abound. But when it happens people think they forgot or something. YOU DIDN'T FORGET!! The universe is weird!

I hope you know you're wasting time and bandwidth with these meaningless stories?

DaddyCoool:
I can get ANYTHING I want (within reason) without payers and imagination. If that's not a superpower I don't know what is.
The point is that there is something very funny about this our universe but we just like to thing it is all linear and logical.
Stories like the one below abound. But when it happens people think they forgot or something. YOU DIDN'T FORGET!! The universe is weird!

How the fúck is that a superpower? Anything you want like what? You've started meandering outside the scope of the question again. Dem swear for you?

DaddyCoool:
As long as you don't call my precious dad a retard

In less than a minute you've just told 2 very stupid lies. I'm just watching you make colossal fool of yourself with your shameless dishonesty.

DaddyCoool:
See? You won't try it because you're afraid it'll work and shatter your notion of how the universe is all linear and logical.
Why would I waste my time bending spoons? To what end exactly. See more testimonies below
PCOS is an ovarian disease.

I know people dealing with mental retárdation, surely we can arrange a meeting so that you can use your powers to cure them?

DaddyCoool:
See? You won't try it because you're afraid it'll work and shatter your notion of how the universe is all linear and logical.
Why would I waste my time bending spoons? To what end exactly. See more testimonies below
PCOS is an ovarian disease.

This is why you'll always lack knowledge and understanding. You're busy recounting anecdotes and stories from the internet. Are you telling me you don't have any powers? You don't have any first hand experience?

DaddyCoool:
See? You won't try it because you're afraid it'll work and shatter your notion of how the universe is all linear and logical.
Why would I waste my time bending spoons? To what end exactly. See more testimonies below
PCOS is an ovarian disease.

Madam what are your reality altering powers. We can arrange a meeting so that we can test it out. Are you game?

If you can't do it, what are your limitations?

It's a very simple question.

DaddyCoool:
Testimonies are everywhere. See one below. And let me ask you: have you ever tried imagining you already have something without worrying about how and see if you won't get it? Start with something very simple and come back and give us your testimony. Testimonies like this one below are everywhere

Madam why have you not been bending spoons? What reality altering powers do you have, and can you demonstrate them? If not, what are your limitations?

I can offer a very good explanation for why people might THINK they have superpowers when they actually don't, or why people can seemingly perform "strange" acts. It's all smoke and mirrors, but I'm not going down the road of insanity with you again. Pearls upon swine, as you guys would say.

So It's either your finally put your chest out and show evidence of your claims or kindly shut the fúck up and let everybody hear word.

DaddyCoool:
Mention one pathological lie I've told

You don't tell me what to do. The stupid lies you've told on this thread have been pointed to you over and over. Did you take accountability for them then? No! So why should I expect you to take accountability for them now?

Our posts are still here for people to read, and they will read to arrive at their conclusions. As for you, you can keep deceiving yourself. You have not provided ANY SINGLE EVIDENCE that the universe is magical and you know it. But keep on lying to yourself if it helps sleep well at night.

Assassin's Creed 1
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DaddyCoool:
Maxindhouse you see how the gentleman is calling me a pathological liar without equivovation, and a coward? (And by the way I told you to read Matthew 12:34 and 23:33, and get back to us. What happened?)
All because I was able to show him that thoughts and prayers do have effect on physical reality. And I made clear this is mainly based on people's testimonies and direct observation NOT scientific formulars. Uri Geller could not only bend spoons with his thought but people watching him on TV found they could do same AND he helped win a crucial game by using his thought to bend a crucial penalty just outside the goalpost!
Examples abound of people using their mere thought to do all sorts of things.
So my dear oga it is NOT everything you argue. Somethings are too well-established to be argued about!

Are you not a pathological liar? Have you not lied countless times on this thread over trivial bullshít? Are you not telling lies right now?