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coogar: i don't care what the duties of a petroleum engineering are - in hierarchy, you are under me.... my scope as an electronic/electrical engineer is wider. i can tumble and run chaos in every engineering discipline including agric engineering. you can only work in the oil/gas industry(under me). i design the tools you are working with - you cannot earn wages until i tell you it's safe to do so. so stop talking and pay attention when the "real" engineers are talking. i have fur, you have wool. i have paws, you have hooves.

Hope you have a thermometer at home. You seem to be running a fever.

Kay-Dee:
and data acquisition , etc . . . . .

Like I said before, it depends on the level of risk the employer is willing to take, i don't see MNCs outsourcing jobs for positions that require 'critical' decision making.

Guys let's take a step back here. Oil and gas companies undertake activities in house and contract out some based on their size and overall corporate strategy. A producing company's core competence is not seismic acquisition, neither is it actual drilling nor pipe laying, fabrication, well intervention etc. they have staff that oversee and supervise such contracted jobs but you can't say they should do these themselves. Field development studies, asset development planning, reservoir studies, reserves accounting, proposing well work overs and drilling prospects, supervising work overs and drilling are some of the things routinely done in house. That is why we have service companies that support producing companies. So there is absolutely nothing wrong in contracting some operations out. IT IS ABSOLUTELY NORMAL!

And I have not heard that service companies lie Schlumberger and Haliburton prefer secondary school leavers,

coogar: look at this mumu.....
i have been working in the oil industry before you stepped foot in a class to take MTH101 lessons...
are you shyting me? which st[color=#000000]u[/color]pid oil industry? from the kashagan fields to baku oil fields, where haven't i been in this world of constant travelling. better stop talking because you think you have a petroleum engineering degree - the narrowest discipline ever in the engineering world.

When you are found out you resort to abuses and insults abi? You sound like an ACN supporter. I'm still waiting on your definition of what a petroleum engr does in your own understanding and not google definition. Hope you realize that All those semi-illiterate (as you call them) oyinbos that work as operators and technicians in the oil field are not petroleum engineers and do not work as petroleum engineers

coogar: that's the problem - it's easy to think all those dudes have a university degree but they don't! their years of experience and an associate's degree are what got them there. let me close this argument once and for all.

these are the top 40 paying jobs that don't require a university degree.....

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-40-highest-paying-jobs-you-can-get-without-a-bachelors-degree-2012-8?op=1

i doubt you make as much as the ones in the top 10 with your "reputable" petroleum engineering job! don't argue with logic - anyone that has a GCE certificate can/will do your job even better than you.

Guy your posts are just filled with fallacies of improper assumption. The fact that you assume those guys do not have a degree does not make it true. I can confidently say you are an outsider to the oil industry. You hear gists here and there and use your native intelligence to fill in spaces and make it sound like you are informed. And I didn't see petroleum engineering in the list you posted. You think talking about their pay makes any impression. Guy if I start talking pay here you people will accuse me of arrogance again.

coogar: come to the UK, i will take you to aberdeen and meet engineers who never stepped foot in any uni and are managing big time projects. they are the ones that would even decide what you should earn on a daily basis! are you kidding me?



this dayo go sabi math o.........
laplace transforms, runge-kutta(cheiiiii) gauss-seidel, jacobi method, etc.....

Just so that we are on the same page. Can you please explain what a petroleum engineer does? I strongly believe you do not understand the job functions of a petroleum engineer.

Guy I have worked in Aberdeen. There are no such petroleum engineers there.

coogar: is petroleum engineering the top engineering discipline?
i would have electronic/electrical and chemical engineering before petroleum engineering.

How does this vitiate my point? Pet engr is what I do and you have said secondary school leavers can do the job. For that assertion to be true there should be examples.

Afam4eva: Sebi na engineer you call am. Have you been following this thread at all?

Guy you are the one that is a bit lost. Read back on my discussions on this thread.

dayokanu: Leave am Make he dey feed us Garri and Sugar.

In my area we even organised Leagues during ASSU strike for students who are at home from ASUU strikes

Dayo so you agree that your five years in Ife chemical engineering was a complete waste? It added nothing to you to differentiate you from a school leaver?

Can any one of you name five world renowned petroleum engineers who do not have a university degree?

coogar: i am sure i have spent 12 moths cumulatively in the last 10 yrs. what are you talking about? embarrassing myself even after producing facts every step of the way? what exactly is wrong with you people that you have so much difficulty in speaking the truth?



after leaving your secondary school - are you saying you couldn't have coped with any oil/gas company willing to train you in-house? i know people with ACCA, ICAN, CCNA, CCNP, etc without a university degree. how are the physical education graduates in nigeria coping in the banking industry? how are the geography students coping in insurance companies in nigeria? abeg - make i hear word!!!! you criminally underestimate your potential if you think need a college degree to do certain things - no you don't!!!

Guy you just don't get it do you. Let me spell it out! If a secondary school leaver is to be trained to do the job I do, the company will have to arrange both formal class training and hands on training for just about the length of time that I spent in the university for him to achieve the level of competence I have. Is that not equivalent to getting a university degree? There are certain background knowledge you require and those are not taught in secondary school period!

Afam4eva: Aren't we talking of jobs that require no technical prowess. Pls tell us how people who graduated with Agriculture degrees from Nigerian universities have managed to work in banks.

No we are not talking about jobs that require no technical prowess. The proponents here have specifically said there is nothing in technical jobs that cannot be done by a school leaver.

@coogar
I have refused to address you directly prior to this but I can't keep up anymore. Guy please stop!! You are embarassing yourself with the views expressed here. I am not one to type a lot and so will not refute every pint you made but that doesn't connote that what you are saying has any truth to it. I believe you are detached from Nigeria. I guess you've not spent cumulatively up to 3 months in this country in the last 10 years for you to hold the opinions you've expressed here.

I will say this for the last time. It is impossible for secondary school leavers to do highly professional jobs. If I use myself as an example, I can say with modesty that I was one of the brightest school leavers in Nigeria in my set as evidenced by my SSCE results. My undergraduate study in Nigeria was tough and rigorous and laid a good foundation for my professional development. I got my one and only job since then based on my undergraduate studies. In the midst of this I went to the same UK and easily made distinction on my M.Sc in one of the top petroleum schools in the world. BUT I COULD NEVER HAVE DONE THE JOB I'M DOING NOW AS A SECONDARY SCHOOL LEAVER NO MATTER HOW BRIGHT I WAS.

It is ridiculous and highly preposterous that anyone can suggest that secondary school leavers can do typical professional jobs that graduates do. It smacks of naively and a simple mind. You think if that is possible in this capitalist world of ours, companies would bother to employ graduates to pay them a lot of money? And for someone saying someone job is to check pressure and temperature, I'm sorry to say but there's no such job in the oil industry. Do you even think collecting temperature and pressure is the end itself? what is that data used for? For operators that monitor processes, this is not even up to a tenth of what their job entails. And these are operators o, OND qualified folks. That person since he is even already a graduate should tell me what he would do if he suspects that his well has a leaking tubing. Or has been told to design a transient test on an exploration well. Or what he needs and how he will go about conducting a reservoir simulation exercise.

mba emeka: @flexxyonline

I couldve have responded to you in greater detail but I would be casting my 'pearls to swine'. Infact placing you as one is an insult to swine. Thank heavens Rhino.5dm has responded to you.

@all I never said that foreign degrees weren't respected or that 'no form' of meritocracy is involved in recruitment processes. I only stated unequivocally that the 'magomago' was rife and is slowly effacing the merit part especially at entry level. I don't know what @flexxyonline is on about 'talking about a defeatist attitude. Heck, I could even be working for Chevron now.

Concerning the recruitment process please don't make me laugh. In the previous PE recruitment prior to the 2012 one only 8 people got to the interview stage. Because they were so few they exchanged contacts with themselves and promised to inform the others should any of them be called. None of them were. Even though some left the UK and US to attend the interview. About last years own, LOL ( I have to LOL in between) they short-listed people for the initial Dragnet test and responded quite abrubtly in selecting those that were to partake in the skilltest phase. There was a veeeeeerrrrrrrryyyyyy long wait before folks were invited for the interview stage and do you know why? Its because the questions leaked. Apparently one big man gave the questions to his olodo son who in turn brought it to people that could solve it for him. One thing led to another and so most people had it and did so well that Chevron didn't knwo what to do. I know a boy whose dad just retired from there ( a Geophysicist) that also got a job via the 'earth scientist' option. By the same man-know-man parole. Keep your defeatist/ guilty conscience talk to yourself.

And the previous PE recruitment you talked about. Only three people were recruited, one from Imperial (first class OAU), one from AUST (first class ABU) and the last painfully was Toyin who was killed last week (first class OAU with HW M.Sc). Toyin crossed from operations where he was working before his M.Sc. So which of these guys is not top notch?

mba emeka: @flexxyonline

I couldve have responded to you in greater detail but I would be casting my 'pearls to swine'. Infact placing you as one is an insult to swine. Thank heavens Rhino.5dm has responded to you.

@all I never said that foreign degrees weren't respected or that 'no form' of meritocracy is involved in recruitment processes. I only stated unequivocally that the 'magomago' was rife and is slowly effacing the merit part especially at entry level. I don't know what @flexxyonline is on about 'talking about a defeatist attitude. Heck, I could even be working for Chevron now.

Concerning the recruitment process please don't make me laugh. In the previous PE recruitment prior to the 2012 one only 8 people got to the interview stage. Because they were so few they exchanged contacts with themselves and promised to inform the others should any of them be called. None of them were. Even though some left the UK and US to attend the interview. About last years own, LOL ( I have to LOL in between) they short-listed people for the initial Dragnet test and responded quite abrubtly in selecting those that were to partake in the skilltest phase. There was a veeeeeerrrrrrrryyyyyy long wait before folks were invited for the interview stage and do you know why? Its because the questions leaked. Apparently one big man gave the questions to his olodo son who in turn brought it to people that could solve it for him. One thing led to another and so most people had it and did so well that Chevron didn't knwo what to do. I know a boy whose dad just retired from there ( a Geophysicist) that also got a job via the 'earth scientist' option. By the same man-know-man parole. Keep your defeatist/ guilty conscience talk to yourself.

Guy don't just talk to sound impressive. You know nothing of what you are talking about. Did you see the profiles of the people that I said got to the interview stage. I saw them physically and interacted with them and those are the brilliant folks you call "jew men" with only one shirt and one trouser back in uni days while most people here were jostling on how to join happening clubs and catch babes. What is the name of the person you said the father used connection to getthe earth scientist job for. Put the name here, at least someone one another person's name. I believe you are making that up though.

Rhino.5dm:
Say what you know, please! What's there is these companies that a brilliant secondary school student can't handle properly? Lemme say this and repeat it again and again, there is nothing scary or big about working in Exxon Mobil or other oil coy. Just a routine, boring and unchallenging task from January to December. Stop making it look as if a 3rd class Nigerian graduate can't handle the task excellently.

Wetin be big work for hourly checking and recording the pressure of an in-line process line or sending mails directing field technicians the next date of routine preventing maintenance? My 2 years old son can do that within 30 minutes of telling him what to do. Abeg fashi that side.

Not that some people can't get recruited base on merit and all that. But what I hate is lying and denial or trying to start bragging with "yeah, I'm now working with shell, cos I'm the best" when in real na pady pady runs carry you go there. The MNC is turning into family business, where members of family rotate recruitment slots among their siblings.

Lemme call some names to buttress my point. Do you know that Demiji Isiaka, Dotun Isiaka and Razak Isiaka are thesame family members working in EXXON MOBIL?, May be na dem sabi book pass wey 3 people and their 4 in-laws will be working in EXXON MOBIL . . . Don't come here to tell me about Exxon Mobil, a place I know like the tip of my dicck. That place is like a family reunion, where members of thesame family work in different department.

Guy this is ignorance abeg. What you have described is a technician's job. Engineers (with full engineering degrees) are not supposed to work as operators in the oil industry. You might find qualified engineers doing it not minding that the job is for ND, HND graduates because of the money but that doesn't mean it's an engineering job. Petroleum engineers in producing coys do highly technical stuff like well intervention supervision, reservoir simulation, reserves, general reservoir engineering is an Asset team environment or Asset production engineering where you design jobs and ensure wells produce optimally. Waliking lines and taking readings and sending emails are done by operations people some of whom (older folks) have just SSCE. Graduates take those jobs now because if the money.

mba emeka: @Oga Jarus,

I understand where you are coming from and the young lads success story,kudos to him. Here's my point: for every one of your guy(s) story there are about 3 from the otherside of the divide. That's where I'm getting at. For example, you talked about a 2012 recruitment in SHELL. It so happens that I know about 4 people that participated in that recruitment. 2 of them are still waiting to resume after having done their medicals (they both graduated with first class engineering degrees).For the sake of discretion/common sense I would've typed a ladies name that currently works with SHELL that served with them and was retained. During the interview process for the job her contact asked her to send him her SRD number. When it was time for her to make a presentation and answer question from the assessment day exercise she was excused. I mean she didn't do a darn thing but today she works there. I also know or rather I heard of another guy that has been waiting to resume since 2011 (after doing his medicals too). But here is the real poser- why keep all these top engineers: scrutinized and approved by your process on a waiting list only to commence another recruitment process for another year? Does it in anyway infer that their positions have been given out?

Also you talked about his(your lads) stint with IPS, working for Oando etc. I remember clearly stating that some form of experience pertinent to the applied job also does help. I didnt say the whole merit thingy has been done away with, far from it! The niggling issue (I dare say) is that the meritorious recruitment has seriously waned.

At a more experienced stage the process is quite better but I can assure you at the entry point its worse off. Albeit I believe that Chevron has the least recruitment malfeasance, the magomago is still there. Their facilities recruitment was good but what became of their Petroleum engineering one? After the whole recruitment process they still gave the job to their staff on contract.I have stories about Addax too but they(all the IOC's) are better than AGIP. Those ones won't even advertise sef yet they'd be recruiting people every year. Risible.

This is Nigeria!

Guy the recruitment exercise I talked about earlier was this same one by Chevron for petroleum engineers. Look at what I wrote, how can you say they employed their brothers. You just have a defeatist attitude. You're a loser at the bottom of your heart.

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What is wrong with Nigerians sef? All these connections, nepotism etc that you guys keep shouting about, I don't know where you get it from. People that talk about connections in multinational oil coys here are merely ignorant. You think anybody will entrust processes leading to drilling a well for $30 million to a dullard who is employed through connections? These guys have standard procedures for everything including employment and even the MD will need some vigorous justifications to just employ somebody.

I was privy to the recruitment of petroleum engineers in one of the oil coys last year. Twelve people made it to final interviews. All of them had their undergrad locally while four had M.sc from UK (one imperial, two Heriott Watt and one Birmingham) with two others with M.Sc from IPS in Port Harcourt. Six of the twelve had fist class undergrad with the rest having 2.1. Out of the six with M.sc three had distinctions. Can you guys see the quality pool these companies have to cherry pick from? At the end, of the the six employed (on merit if I may add), three of them had local B.sc without M.sc, two had M.sc from IPS in UNIPORT while the last was one of the guys with M.Sc from the UK.

Everybody seems to know somebody who got jobs through connections but they themselves never did. I'm calling us out here, [size=16pt]DID ANY OF YOU GET YOUR JOB THROUGH CONNECTIONS? BE HONEST, THIS IS A FACELESS FORUM. TELL US IF YOU GOT YOUR JOB THROUGH CONNECTIONS AND WHAT TYPE OF CONNCTION IT WAS.[/size]

He did not trash out anything for me. I only want people like you to learn from experience. Our people say that "we are trying to save the chick from death, he's complaining that they did not allow him go to the refuse dump to play".

uzohkings: mr.DGC, the case has been adjourned. I will continue to say it. We need to start taking drastic measures. We need to start bombing mobil's statiöns. WE CANNOT RELY ON OUR JUDICIARY. It's time for us to take the law in our hands & fight for ourselves! Imagine a stupid judge gave a fine of #750,000 to d pension thief who stole billions..just imagine a failed country!
CCNL should better wake up or else I'm coming to get my 250k! 4 years '& all we hear everyday is adjournment..NONSENSE!

Look at your ignorance on display. You want to bomb Mobil filling stations abi? Do you realize that the Mobil filling stations are owned or franchised by Mobil oil Nigeria PLC which does not have anything to do with Mobil Producing? Your father might even be a part-owner of those filling stations if he has shares of Mobil oil. I'm not surprised though, some of you traded away your brains a long time ago

alj harem: Exactly, You think I am ignorant, I know both kettykin and You are ignorant.

As an Indigene of Lagos I have made several post, topic and blogs on Lagos and Crude oil so go find out. Infact currently, in Badagry, Festac, Makoko etc

Chevorn and Folawuyo have equity currently

Oil just bought an Oil block as well.

Now I am talking of Muiltnationals of WHICH IT IS SPECIFIED THAT ONLY ONE COMPANY CAN DRILL AT A TIME.

We also have Aje gas.

Other fields are the Jubilee and Tweneboa fields. Benin basing, Badagry creeks, Takwa bay and co

So my brother just because Lagosians (Yorubas) don't shout Oil this Oil that does not mean they do not have.

Fallacy of hasty generalization! Of all you wrote, the only true thing is that there is a gas condensate field offshore Lagos called Aje. But no, Chevron is no longer in the project because it is uneconomic for them and they've relinquished their stake.. There is no known oil discovery anywhere else in Lagos either onshore or offshore. The jubilee and Tweneboa fields are in Ghana! Those are the new fields in Ghana that make them an oil producing country today. All those Takwa bay, badagry creek you are talking about, maybe you will be the first to go and drill there because no one else has. Not even 2D seismic data has been acquired. I know the source of what you wrote, it's a newspaper publication from last month. That journalist is as ignorant as you are. I wonder who his editor is? Might be that the editor is even more ignorant. I'll recommend Africa Oil and Gas Report (www.africaoilandgasreport.com) for those of you who want technically sound oil industry reporting. The publisher is a consummate experienced professional who is also a journalist. Not those ones who interchangeably use oil field and oil well and don't even know the difference.

I rest my case then. I'll be back in a year's time to see how happy people are. No need to invest my time checking you up, the people signing up don't want it anyway.

Enjoy!

neksummi: I have not responded earlier because you made me explain and explain till I was banned. I've already answered you. I don't even like the term recruiting because that's not the main thing we're doing here. We're selling the phase 2 which is a training manual that teaches you how to market on the internet. You could use the knowledge to promote whatever things you sell online.

We've heard you and your questions. I'm inviting you to share with us here whatever it is you do online and let's see how it doen't have anything to do with referring others.

We're waiting.

My dear, I do not do anything online. I was giving you the benefit if the doubt in case there is something you actually do which is not apparent. As it is, I think I've established that you don't do anything worthwhile. For your information, setting up blogs or websites for referral purposes is not a value creating exercise, it serves to perpetuate a scam. If you do not know, what you are doing falls under the ambit of section 419 of the criminal code. You are advancing a fee of N3000 from people and trying to perpetuate it by setting up websites for the sole reason of collecting this N3000 perpetually. If you are sure of your program, post your full details here and I will get my EFCC contacts to run the rule over your program and we'll see if you don't get a date with a judge. And I know your other usernames and other nagas who have fallen for this will come out to attack me. I understand because they don't want to be the last nagas, they want to make money from other nagas before the whole thing goes burst.

I have challenged you to post your full names or if not your account number which should be a current account so that I can trace you and we'll see if you come out clean.

neksummi: I don't find some of your words acceptable. What do you mean by "you are the major doom here...not some generalized sweeping statements designed to confuse the unaware?" If you're asking to know, I'm willing to respond to you until you get me right. But if you're asking to find fault, I wouldn't bother responding because if you've made up your mind, nothing I say will change it.

You talk of me giving generalized sweeping statements but you forgot that you asked your question with the basis that the world ends with Nigeria. Wasn't that an assumption that can never be?

Now back to your re-framed question, when you register today and you do not want to recruit downlines, downlines will still come! Let me explain. When you put in place the strategies in phase 2, your blog is going to be doing the work for you. People are searching daily ways they can make money online. So they'll always come across your blog which is promising them ways in which they are going to earn online. So these people will be the ones to contact you to be part of the system. You've made recruits without begging your family and friends who are already tired of you introducing programmes to them which didn't work.

Further more let's say people still aren't interested in joining. The marketing skills you learn from the phase 2 is going going to be beneficial to you in promoting whatever thing you have to promote.

And just to ask also, how many of the businesses on the internet really work without people having to refer others?

You still refuse to see the issue here. Are you telling me that the only way money is made in this program is by getting down lines either actively (recruiting people) or passively (people seeing your site and registering under you)? What if nobody likes my site and I never get a downline? Simply put, what is the value creating activity in this program or is it just a redistribution of money from down lines as in a zero-sum game?

neksummi: Thanks for your question. I'm happy someone saw your question before me and gave you an answer. Let me add that we're not just registering people. We're providing a service and selling information to them. This programme helps you get a targeted list of business people you could engage in other businesses with. I've made hundreds of contacts all over Nigeria because of this programme. I've got people who want to build websites for me and have shared some meaningful MLM strategies with me, I've got people who have phone and email contacts they want to share with me. I've got people who want me to be a founding member of businesses they want to roll out. The list can go on and on. And this people are from different parts of the country. This also means that I have friends who can accommodate me in different parts of this country. If I'm coming to Lagos, I'm going to have more than enough people willing to pick me up from the airport.

The programme also teaches divers marketing skills you could use to promote any other product or service online. So if we reached everyone in Nigeria in whatever number of months (which is not possible because we're having people who are becoming computer literate every day. And as long as Nigeria exists, people are going to die and others are going to be born) the last sets of people are going to benefit from the training they're going to get in phase 2. And because they are human beings, they're going to find ways of tweaking the programme to make it turn into something else that will sell.

We're localized in Nigeria at the moment and we're using blogs but when we launch a website and we're working on it, we'll surely go global. I hope this has answered your question. If not you're welcome to ask what's not clear to you.

Thanks for the response though you have not really answered my question. That fellow who responded earlier is speciously limited so I will not refer to that. You are the major doom here who is making the most money from all these so I will engage you.

Let me simplify my question: If I register today and decide not to recruit down lines, I want you to state succinctly how I will make money in this arrangement. I want specifics and not some generalized sweeping statements designed to confuse the unaware.

Thanks

@neksummi, I'm going to ask you some questions about this your program because I pride myself as a critical thinker. Also, the fact that I'm not hungry means I can think clearly.

Let's think about the endgame for a second: Using the basis that the world ends with Nigeria, Assuming four months down the line, everybody in Nigeria has been reached and has registered for this program, how will the last set of registrants make money. Remember, there will be no new downline because everybody is registered, so what is the money making activity that will keep those last set of registrants happy since there is no money from down lines?

Thank you as you answer my question.

@i hate naija.

You will not get to the US if you do not change this your handle. It does not edify in any way. If you think I'm wrong, leave it and see.

I have spoken.