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Eggcelent:
Globaby01. If I understand what you mean by "congeal", then it means the vaccine is still potent/good. Keep it in the refrigerator & leave it "congealed" till you are ready to use. (Meanwhile, the aspect of "Baba told me" is quite funny. Are you saying OBJ himself personally attended to you? Or the "Baba" here is an entirely different person?)

doesn't the io supposed to be administered the very day she brought them in? That is how I do mine ooo, you put it in their eyes. The glucose it so help the birds cope with the stress of moving them from OBJ farm to your farm.

jamp:
just give them glucose and multivitamine.hope u ve a vet doc around. success

That is good

jamp:
@fnk, how far with the picture. pls upload the nipple drinkers.

For some reason the pictures that I took was not uploading to my computer, but here is the link that will show you the Pics of the tips.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shiping-10-pcs-lot-Auto-Water-Nipples-Drinker-Poultry-Chicken-Duck-Bird-Feeder-Hanging-Screw/573276007.html

Globaby01:
no, I have not received your response. its a question that I asked

Abeg, which question be that ooo,mplease resend.

Globaby01:
am sorry o, i also sent you a mail

Pele ooo, I thought I responded to you

LaBibiano:
Oga Fnk, thank you so very much, I got the document..........The info contained therein is helpful........God bless you. Amen

Any time, Good luck

obnelly:
If you don't want to see your chicken dying then don't try it.chickens are bound to die but all you can do is to reduce your mortality.Its all about what works for you not necessarily what works for Mr.A .Start small and discover how you can gradually reduce your mortality,how to prevent diseases and cultivate good poultry management.
Good luck and happy farming as you start small and grow big.
Shalom

Soooo, true guys, there are bunch of things that can make your birds die, it is about reducing the rate, I just lost over 20 from my day old few days ago from heat stress, my concussion couldn't save them, So start small and try everything you can think of, and you will come up with something.

Trueigbo:
Pls upload the picture of the nipple u have.

I will try and get to it tomorrow

obnelly:
I love that.This is the time to make that profession a better profession for all.we should try and standardize our farms at least to make it more attractive using locally available materials.we can do it.

Abi ooo! On Channels 10:00pm news on Friday, they interviewed the Chairman of Poultry Association Of Nigeria about the bird flu, I was wondering if he is one of us here on this thread, or is everyone here mom and pop farmer like me.

jamp:
oga fnk, we think alike, am already working on using the nipples for my layers on the floor. i bought some nipple drinkers and am expecting them next month. the nipples(attached to a PVC) will be adjustable to suit the age of the birds. i belive this method will keep the pen dry and free from disease.

Yap. later this morning, I am going to be in the farm working to get the drinkers set up, I hope the ones you bought is the ones that the tip can move in all direction, the ones that only goes up and down gets spoiled easily and the birds will have to push it in for water to come out. the best ones moves 360 degree, so it is easy for the birds to drink from it.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=758451504234438&fref=nf

I saw this video on FB and think to share it here, I normally just read and never comment on issues like this, but I just feel like sending a sound of warning to who might hear it, the video is disturbing, and my concern is about those who will fall victim of issues they know nothing about.

Violence should never be employed to show ones discontentment with the system, the truth now is that it is poor innocent people that will be killed and their properties destroyed. GEJ and GMB's children will not be on the streets of Nigeria, that is if any of them will be in the country that month, people that has no say or has never benefited from both men, will suffer it if this happens the days following Feb 14th, if GEJ wins. While I am not supporting any of them personally, I will advice any life loving southerners especially the Igbos to go to their states temporary, because they will be the ultimate victim should this happen. And with the look of things, it is going to happen, the polity is super charged now and no one can stop it.

obnelly:
Yes it is n't going to be easy but if you are able to derive some bio based products out of it the packing of the litters won't be stress as it will serve as raw materials for your farm house.During brooding you won't need any heat source other than the litters

Fnk I am still sourcing for materials I wanna do it yourself a manure conyeyor belt to pull droppings from 1200 birds in battery cages.I see manure handling as one of the big challenges in poultry business and its one of the reasons why that job isn't so attractive to employees."Nobody wanna smell shit yet they wanna spend shit money"

True ooo, I am sure you can put something together, are you able to get the materials that you will need locally? There is a farm I visited sometime ago, they have a pit that they flush the poo into and some farmers or fish farmer come to pack them, So thinking about it, using a power hose to flush the poo on a daily bases. But then, the smell is a function of wetness that creates the chemical reaction, So, the deal is to keep the poo dry. I have not really invested time to check things out though, because I am not doing layers at the moment, and in my broilers pen, I am installing DIY water drinker (using the nipples) I will hang them up by tomorrow, that will cut the wetness by almost 80%, because the attendants while changing the water, spill a lot on the floor, and the birds step into it, and even knock over the water holder every now and then. So, with this system, we don't have to worry again about wetness as a result of water, only through their poo which can be managed. Also, there is a DIY I saw on using a 4" PVC pipe to construct their feeder, in such a way that they won't spill the feed on the floor. There will be a small mechanism that will help push the feed through the pipe so that the attendants are not going through the pen filling one feeder at a time, also this will curtail feed wastage. With all this in place the work will be less tedious for my staffs, it will also curtail mortality as their will always be fresh water running in the water drinker.
As I think about entering the layers market before this year runs out, I will start doing some investigation, though I have the largest space in the area where my farm is, at the same time I don't want to a nuisance to them, I want to be corporate responsible. LOL!!!

dreuche:
Inspiring Thread...well done guys!

Kindly tell how to control chicken faeces from emitting so much smell...i am raising 15 broilers and 5 layers for the love of it and i dnt want to mess the sanity of the air for my neighbours. the chickens are 5 weeks old, while the layers are POL. Thank you.

Try to keep the liter from getting so wet, that means changing the liter regularly, it is not going to be easy, but that is about what you have to do. Good luck

kengeorge:
FNK

Happy new year

This is Ken, can't reach you, of course I know why,
Please can you get some nipple drinkers down for me?, I will reimburse you when you return, say 100 dollars worth.

Thanks

Sorry my brother, I came back Saturday evening, just saw this message now, too late.

AkayTopsy:
I stay in Abuja. How long are you planning to stay in the country? I wish you safe trip.

I go back and forth, I stay for at least 2 months each time I am there.

AkayTopsy:
HappyNewYear to everybody. @jamp i'm still waiting 4 ur visit to my farm o. @fnk, bro thanks 4 keeping this forum alive with all the broiler info. Though i've not been to your farm, but i believe from your posts you're living my dream 4 the broiler business. (Can we have an appointment pls. I wouldnt mind booking a same day cheep return flight for few hours visit to your farm)

2014 was in deed a very great year 4 me. Full of challenges with great lessons learnt. Some painful, some hillariously painful (because it exposed how naive one can be when it comes to business). Thank God for the progress achieved as well. I started with and still doing Broilers, but gradually the Pullets are growing along. Though I,ve not started making income that match the investment, slowly but surely we will get there.

My appreciation also goes to all those who responded to my need during one of the respiratory crisis i experienced with the birds. Here we are those pullets will be 17weeks tue Jan.

My Advice 4 all:
CREDIT AND TRUST is key in Biz, be careful when choosing those you give these previlages.

Where are you flying from, I will back in the country ny this weekend.

endy247:
@fnk thanks for ur advice, pls how much did u buy d drinkers from amason.

I didn't buy the whole drinker, what I bought was the nipple, on Amazon you can get it for say, 15 pieces for $5 or $7.95. The idea is that I will finish it up buy my self at my farm. It will save me and my workers a lot of wahala, they won't have to individually manually change the water and the liters will stay dry for a long time. All those Nigeria online stores might have them ooo, check.

samuel25:
I raised layer along cockerel in the same deep liter pen. some of the cockrel have been sold off remaining like 6 among the laying birds. And they are mating with the layers. As at now no any problem, the layers are laying well and the cockrel are not tampering with the egg. Hope my practice does not have any negative effects on the long run.

Is the eggs for hatching? I want to play with trying to hatch a few eggs and see how it works, for a little over $100 there is an incubator that have the capacity to hatch 48 eggs. I have not looked into parent stock and have no idea how to raise them, Is that what you are doing? I bought 200 layers and 200 cockerel, they are just between 3 and 4 weeks now, but they will be growing together.

endy247:
pls house i need to know how to fumigate my chicken coop b4 transferring them because right now they're in the brooding house and wat are d tins dat i need to do to prevent diseases 4rm entering d farm, again how do i contain the odour so it doesn't disturb d neigbours, someone told me there's a chemical dat i can spay on d floor but he wasn't so sure abt it. sorry 4 all d questns am asking but i really need some help. thanks.

It is true that there are some products or systems out there that can help prevent or reduce the odor, another thing that can really help is making sure that the pen doesn't get wet, and or you need to remove the liter regularly. One of the ways to reduce wetness, is how you water them, i.e: their drinking water. I don't know if you can get and connect the poultry nipple drinker system. I am not using it yet, but I have bought a whole bunch on Amazon and will be fixing it myself when I get back. it is something you can do yourself (DIY) you can see bunch of videos on Youtube. With this, you control the wetness, and your birds will always have water to drink.
I have noticed that by pen doesn't smell with it is not wet, and even when we pack the liters and bagged them, as long as they are not wet, you can walk by without noticing it.

Now be careful with the fumigation and your birds, give at least 5-7 days from the time that you fumigate the pen to when you move the birds from the brooding house into the pen. You don't want them to chock and die from the strong chemical of the fumigation.

jamp:
Chairman, we are doing well. The layer biz is good and less stressful compared to what I heard about broilers. Am bringing in new birds dis jan. I might add 50 broilers to test run.
I will also experiment with about 10 layers as you did. lol

this year will be good for all of us and I pray for the unity of this country to enable us actualize our dreams.

It is true, broiler is a lot of work, but I think once you have sales outlet, like the egg guys do, it is a matter of 6 to 8 weeks and they cycle is over and money in the bank.

Oshlander:
I have wanted to reach you a long while after I joined Nairaland last October and discovered this thread in December, and started reading all the previous posts page by page until I got to page 23 and I lost concentration. I must say that you, hindsight & others have been so much helpful in enlightening laymen in understanding what Animal farming is more about. I appreciate your efforts. If I can possibly get the report of your experiment which you executed years back, I'll be appreciative. greatoshlander@gmail.com

No wahala, we all are here to learn from one another. Check your email, remember, it will only serve as a guide, and if you take some not from this thread, you would have gotten some updates from everyone's questions and contributions. Good Luck.

dozieihems:
I need advice on the way forward i purchace two plots of land can it be able to contain 5000 layers?that is my projection of layer for the two plots of land,i want to start small and grow pls can someone help me with good poultry plan am jet starting new and i was told that good poultry plan contribute to 40% of survive of the birds house pls assit me on how to establish the poultry farm

5000 layers is not starting small. And yes I think 2 plots can give you a space to that will take more than twice that your number. But if you are a newbie, 5000 is a lot, and get ready for the funds necessary to run it. And I think the info that you seek is already discussed here on the thread, so go back and start reading and taking note. Good luck.

sleekman:
@fnk thank God 4 his bountiful mercies and d opportunity 2c another new year. Had a quiet halls with lots of reflection. Are u in d country? Yeah we all have learned 4rm eachother this past year save 4d data loss we experienced in d 1st or 2nd quarter. I believe nairaland has afforded people d opportunity 2 learn, explore, invent and innovate better. For those of you who didn't get 2 read lost data then perhaps u'll want 2 explore morianga seeds, dry pawpaw seeds, garlic, oregano, guava leaves(fresh shoots), mint and basil. That's what I can remember. I think there may be others. @jamp, @fnk et al u can help me out here. Focus of this thread is trying 2 explore organic remedies for disease prevention in poultry. There are various journals online u can explore 2 improve d health of ur poultry. Thank you.

I went home for the holidays to be with my family, I should be back before the end of this month. You are right, those plants you mentioned were talked about as things that can help. I spent good amount of money taking my concoction to the lab to test and test again. My believe is that a healthy bird can fend off any illness. So, lets see how this year will go for everyone. Good luck.

olubankemi:
@Fnk, thank you very much. You are so detailed in your advise and the time you set aside to write this is appreciated.

Thank you.

I am glad that you appreciated my comment, I know your husband will see what you have seen, if you take your time and work with him, I could not do what I am doing now without the support of my wife, I was able to sell her the vision, had she not buy into it, I wouldn't not have been able to continue. I cannot say that we are making money from the farm yet, but the farm is sucking a lot of money from us, had she not been on the same page with me, it could turn to problem and look like a waste of the family's resources.

So, my advise for you, is not to let the dream die. Stay focus and keep faith.

jamp:
Fnk, longest tym. How is broiler biz going? Am thinking of adding broilers to my farm but I need to get the market first.

But how can you get the market without starting? I say go in small, and build from there. We are coming up small small, I think this 2015 will be much better for us, we sold quite a few of our birds this holidays, and that is good, because our product is getting into the hands of more people, the idea for us now, is to get more customers that will patronize our birds on a regular bases. How is the egg side? I bought 200 day old layers to experiment, I want to see what will happen without given them the conventional medication/vaccination regiment, just the medication they get in their first 10 days. The experiment I conducted in 2011 worked, but they were only 10 layers, so you cannot count on that. I will see how it goes, then I will take lectures from you pros on that side of poultry business.

Hope all is well

sleekman:
so what if he has developed a vaccine he's still trying 2 perfect? Isn't it his prerogative 2 sell/distribute freely/withhold his choice? Please this is not a thread 4 attacks. We've discussed a lot of stuff on this thread so feel free 2 read through and research what works 4u and stop being an attack lazy dog. You no even beg am sef na attack u begin dey attack am. E be like say u no see christmas chicken chop. @fnk abeg send am belated xmas broiler.

@sleekman, how was your holidays, hope all is well with everyone here. Thank you for coming to my aid, we can all learn from each other here, I think I have given General premises of my stuff here, some might have been able to pick on it but others might be wanting me to just spell it out. I am sure there are people here that have better stuff than I do. They might not just be talking but they are good. One cool thing about this our thread, is that we are not all conglomerates, most of us are mom and pop, there are so much info in this thread that you can get to any hieght in this poultry business. So, I think we should take what we have been given, add our own innovation to it and run with it.

I have learned a lot this past year, and hope to do better this new year. Am I making money yet? For how much I have invested into my poultry, and still investing, Noooooooooo!!! Very far from it.

olubankemi:
Hello all. This is a great thread.

I have passion for this. In 2013 April to be precise I bought about 5 of them and rear them in my balcony. U can imagine. My parent reared it too. Like 2 to 5. We don't vaccinate them and we just give them our regular food rice and the likes.

Am looking for a plot or half plot to buy for this purpose and grow from there.

Have the following questions:

Am married and my husband easily put me off my desires, told him of this since but he just said no way. The one I did in my balcony he naged and naged but in the end he ate the larger portion of the meat and even gave out one to his people. I believe I can prove him right that I can do it. Can I go ahead and find half a plot and start with like 200 PCs? As I am tired of working need a business.


How many chicks can I conveniently rear on half plot of land?

Is ikorodu too far for a married woman living in Lagos mainland?

I have an offer for a land after Ibadan , have families that can manager and look after the farm manager butchunby said no way, cos I won't be able to manage it myself, does this make sense?

Finally question, my hubby made enquiries and he was told I better go to depo and get eggs and sell instead of having a poultry, is this OK as well?

Tired of going to the office and I don't want to end this 2015 same was other years had ended.

@olubankemi, it is true that the poultry business is a very good and profitable one, but you need to have the full support of your husband to be able to progress. The reason some people might not tell you is that the business is not that easy, you are not going to start today and start making money, so, if you quit your job, know that you are going to relay on your husband's income for some time before the poultry can pick up. So, let it be a joint agreement because you are going to need him.
I have said this in some of my post here, that poultry farming can be very challenging in the beginning if that is your only source of income., thus,mid you quit your job and your husband's income is going to be the only income in the family, you are going to need to work with him. And also the truth is that if you are going to make a real business out of this, it is going to cost you money.

So, my advise, keep logging him, go into the egg distribution as he suggested and that will also bring you closer to the industry, don't just buy from egg depots but go to farms and buy from there, you can bet it cheaper but most importantly, you get to interact with farmer, learn about the business, know more about the challenges and the opportunities. This will help you know well what you are going into, and also I will advise that on one of your trips to buy egg at the farm, invit your husband to go with you, this way he too will see with you've seen, and who knows, he might change his mind and give you the support that you need.

I know a couple that did what you are trying to do, the wife quit her job from the bank and started a farm, months later the husband joined her, their farm grow big, they sustained their family from the income from the farm, trained their children through university and send them overseas. So, it is doable but you need the agreement and support for each other.

knowledge4:
Do poultry farming especially layers chicken farming and you will not regret it...Guaranteed!
Do not listen to those who tell you that it is an impossible business or a gamble.It is monumental ignorance to say so.That story belongs to the past.These days, many are doing it better informed and are getting better results without stress.
You will do well in it if you know the variables that make it work and put the right structures in place.
Layers Chicken farming for egg production is one of the most viable small scale businesses in Nigeria and the easiest to set up
The market for eggs is guaranteed in Nigeria. It is a large and inexhaustible market.
The demand for eggs is above the supply.The poultry business is a growing market far from saturation
For valuable free details about the potentialities in chicken farming in Nigeria and how to set up and operate profitably,visit the 1st signature below
With N1million, you can start with 500 layers.Half million naira for the fixtures and half million naira for the operating/running cost. One person can handle a 500 layers chicken farm if he is hard working.
A healthy layers chicken will lay eggs daily for more than a year and you will sell the layer chicken at the end of egg production for N1000.00

You can also do broiler chicken farming for meat production
They can be sold at 7 weeks old @ N900.00 minimum
U may rear up to 12-14 weeks and sell during Christmas for N3000.00
If you know the right feeding techniques for broilers, you are sure to make 75% to 100% profits
Rearing them for Christmas, start from mid September to 1st week October and by mid December, they are matured for sale

Boy! while you sound very encouraging, those of us already in the game know that there is a lot of work involved ooo and a lot of challenges. I am not saying that it is not lucrative ooo, but work de well well. To tell you the truth, You are in for a big one if it is your only source of income, because almost in your first year you won't even see your profit, not that you are not making money, but you won't see it, because there is always one thing or the other that is making you to put the money back into the business. I will say, give yourself 2 to 3 years to work out the kinks in the production and sales process.

This has been my experience, when I have chicken for sale, I don't have ready customers, and when I have customers, I don't have chicken ready. Now it will take time to build us sales outlet and then have constant production to meet the sales demand. For me, I think next year will be much better, we have gradually started getting orders from different sources, and we have our own frozen chicken outlet, two of those and we will be starting a BBQ joint of our chicken along Ado road in Ajah. If we can sell at least 20 grilled chicken per night, that will put us at sales of about 600 birds monthly, and our two frozen outlet, can generate another 200 sales per month that will give us about 800 birds and we have some other supplies here and there to keep us going. So, with our cycle, we know that we need to raise at least about 1000 birds per month. And you know what, you make better rattail profit with your own sales outlets. when we see how our first branded BBQ joint goes, we will duplicate it in other areas, If we have 10 locations that sales at least 20 birds per night, that along can keep out farm going and we can make good money for our birds. eateries are killers, they will ask to buy your birds at N650/kg and on credit. I think we are going to do well this season, we have been receiving orders, we have broilers that was 5kg and 6kg dressed, they are like turkeys.

Good luck guys, hope you all have a wonderful sales season.

fishleg123:
hello fellow farmers, I have these set of broilers, 2kg, 2.5kg, 3kg, 3.5kg and 4kg. but I don't know much to sell each set. because these is my first time of selling broilers. PLS I need ur advises on correct prices to sell them.
Thanks

What we did was to go see what the people in the market are sell, knowing our estimated cost of goods produced, we add our margin and sell, we even sell to those who are reselling as well.

utchlady:
But you once said you got your on formula which is virus shield and you gave it to your birds (in water) and they didn't die., haba

Because someone is rasing a few bird, that doesn't make him a farmer. That is what I meant, a lot of us here can not beat our chest and say that "yeah I sm a farmer" bev no me now, my poultry is on about 2 acres, what a good size slaughter house to defeather, and package the birds. I have six people working on my farm and for the amount of birds that I raise and the irregularities on it, I can not say that I am a real farmer. Some that is my point. The research you talked about was only with 25 broilers and 10 layers, so will you call me a farmer with any experience with just that exposure.

major911:
i hope am not too late, i wont mind D doc too at akintayoridwan1@gmail.com tanks in advance

Done.

sleekman:
@fnk u made a fundamental error not pursuing d case 2d end. I'll give u a little story. 1st time I came back into d country I always traveled in my car. I got stopped a lot. Spent hours @police stations just cos I neva wanted 2 give a bribe. My friends and family tot I was stupid. Overtime I knew almost every DPO, DO, CO along lagos 2 Benin/PH route. After a while they all became friendly and were moreorless begging than ordering. So from time 2 time I'll get bottle water, bread, biscuits in my car. If I didn't have they just greeted me and I went my way. I even traveled 4 2 months with an expired license b4 one new stubborn recruit made me realise I had 4goten 2 renew. I still didn't give a bribe. When I got 2d police station, d DPO told me 2 go renew my particulars and come carry my car which I did. Long and short of what I'm trying 2 say is doing d proper thing pays in d long-run. U should have allowed d law run its course or they settle out of court 3-fold if they wanna avoid jail. That way it will send shivers down d spine of those around. Avoiding a problem has just created a bigger one 4u. Mark my words. The next thief u catch must be made a scapegoat or scapepig which ever u choose.

You are right