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Gidigidi3:
Had to relocate to another nearby villa dis yr while the court cases go on on the former 4 plots above.

Below my newly constructed broiler pen. 25 by 60ft by11ft, with farm house.
Elders in d house, hope am on wright course? Planned that it will take 1000 birds at full capacity. Thank you all for the valuable information I hv garnered here.

If it is raining, won't the wind be blowing rain on your birds, I think that your roofing should have come a bit down to mitigate that, Just thinking.

jamp:
oga fnk, its not easy to weigh the birds individually. is not easy at all. kudos .I do random weighing. which one is better analog or digital scale

True talk ooo, I think digital would be better but na the analog one we de use ooo, I made a mistake I bought a scale from the U.S without paying attention to the lbs thing, I don carry am reach Nigeria before I realize that it would be better to get something that reads in Kg. And the machine no cheap. So, na analog we de use for now. Yes, random weighing and just by sight you can pretty much guess that based on the ones that you have weighed what the majority of the rest will weigh.

Hope all is well with you guys.

AkayTopsy:
how do you weigh your birds? individually or in batches? and like how many birds do you have to weigh to give u the average weight for the entire set of birds?

We weigh them individually, and we weigh a whole bunch, and you can see from the ones you weighed that most of the other birds looks like the same size.
of course, some are about 900g some 800g and some 1.1kg etc.

In the past, at 4 weeks, most of them weighs 700g, some 600g

pathology:
do u use concentrate or mash

Just their retail 25kg starter mash. It will be good to know their fomula. At 4 weeks now, I am recording 1kg. Not bad.

Theonlyson:
helo house, pls help, my boilers are not growing, they are 3 weeks now

What is their weight? my birds from Obasanjo's Ota farm using Top feed weighed about 700g in 3 weeks. So weigh your birds to be specific.

Antibiotic-Free Method Protects Chickens from Coccidiosis
09 June 2015

US - A University of Wisconsin-Madison animal scientist has developed an antibiotic-free method to protect food-producing animals from common infections.
The innovation comes as growing public concern about antibiotic resistance has induced McDonald's, Tyson Foods and other industry giants to announce major cuts in antibiotic use in meat production.
About 80 per cent of antibiotics in the United States are used by farmers, because they both protect against disease and accelerate weight gain in many farm animals, but recently announced regulations will put an end to the use of antibiotics for production purposes by the end of 2016.
The overuse of antibiotics in agriculture and medicine has created a public health crisis of drug-resistant infections, such as multidrug resistant staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) and "flesh-eating bacteria."
"You really can't control the bugs forever; they will always evolve a way to defeat your drugs," said Mark Cook, a professor of animal sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and an entrepreneur.
Mr Cook's current work focuses on a fundamental immune "off-switch" called Interleukin 10 or IL-10, manipulated by bacteria and many other pathogens to defeat the immune system during infection.
He and animal sciences associate researcher Jordan Sand have learned to disable this switch inside the intestine, the site of major farm animal infections such as the diarrheal disease coccidiosis.
Mr Cook vaccinates laying hens to create antibodies to IL-10. The hens put the antibody in eggs, that are then sprayed on the feed of the animals he wants to protect. The antibody neutralises the IL-10 off-switch in those animals, allowing their immune systems to better fight disease.
In experiments with 300,000 chickens, those that ate the antibody-bearing material were fully protected against coccidiosis.
"These diseases cause long-term reproduction, production and growth impairments in livestock," said Sheila McGuirk, a professor of medical sciences at the School of Veterinary Medicine.
"The affected animals are suboptimal in health, performance and profitability. To have something affordable, safe and nonantibiotic that controls these very important diseases is absolutely awesome. We are eager to study this further."
In the past few years, scientists have learned that a large group of pathogens - including bacteria, single- and multicelled parasites, protozoa, even certain viruses - make a chemical called macrophage migratory inhibition factor, or MIF, which activates the IL-10 mechanism to shut down the host animal's immune system.
"This apparently arose deep in the evolutionary past, and it's wholesale piracy of the immune system," said Mr Sand.
Mr Cook and Mr Sand, who have been working on the IL-10 system since 2011, are forming Ab E Discovery LLC to commercialise their research. One of the four patents they have filed through the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation has just been granted, and WARF has awarded a $100,000 Accelerator Program grant to the inventors to pursue the antibiotic-replacement technology.
The benefits of reducing farm usage of antibiotics should extend to workers' families and the wider population. Significantly more people working in conventional chicken farms carry multidrug-resistant pathogens than those who work in antibiotic-free farms, Mr Sand noted.
A non-antibiotic method to prevent pathogens from shutting down the immune system seems far less conducive to resistance than the current routine feeding of antibiotics, Mr Cook said.

NAFDAC Advises Nigerians Against Consumption of Foreign Poultry Products
June 20, 2015 Food
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The National Agency for Food and Drug Control have called on Nigerians to stop the consumption of foreign frozen chicken and turkey, as they have been proven to contain substances that are harmful to the human body.

According to the Director General of the agency, Dr. Paul Orhii, who gave the advice during a press briefing held in their new office in Isolo to sensitise Nigerians on the health implications of foreign birds, said most of these products have been known to contain substances that predisposes one to kidney, liver and lung diseases as well as certain types of cancer and substances that cause drug resistance to people who consume them.

He said the agency has control over how local chicken and turkey were bred, as their method of handling, type of feeding and the environment they are been bred were monitored by the agency, but that foreign bred poultry products were not regulated, hence putting the rearers at liberty to breed them without considering human safety.

“Since these foreign poultry products are banned items from entering the country, those breeding them use all manner of chemicals on them and then smuggle them into the country while unsuspecting Nigerians patronise them without knowing what substances such chicken and turkey contain.”

He explained that even the manner in which they were been transported into the country would cause harm to the body, as some were hidden under the cars or trucks while being smuggled into the country, causing extreme heat to them. Adding that “some of them spend days on the road while taking these products through the bush parts across our borders and at the end, some of them ends up spoiling, yet they would still be sold to Nigerians, often at cheaper prices,” he added.

While reiterating the agency’s commitment to working with Nigerian customs in putting stringent measures on ground for prevention of smuggled products into the country, he called on Nigerians to help in identification of foreign birds. “NAFDAC should be alerted on this so that necessary actions will be taken,” he said.

In his remark, Prof. Olumide Tewe who together with his research team discovered that foreign poultry products contain harmful toxic substances to the human body, warned that the continuous consumption of foreign frozen chicken and turkey would overtime cause serious damage to the body.

According to him, the research was done while comparing various substances in foreign poultry products and that of locally bred poultry products. “It was discovered that the foreign poultry products contain high levels of formaldehyde, as well as high levels of metals and other substances which are lethal to the human body as against the locally bred poultry products which did not contain such substances.”

Prof. Tewe’s research team also believed that most of the foreign poultry products being smuggled into the country were being treated with certain types of antibiotics that causes drug resistance to persons who consumes them.

Throwing more light on the harm done to consumers of foreign chicken and turkey, a member of the research team, Dr. Bidemi Omotosho, explained that some of the studies done on foreign poultry products showed that they contain high level of chloroquinolone, which she described as a powerful antibiotic only used on humans under certain conditions.

According to her, “for someone who consumes chicken or turkey often, it is most likely that person must have taken in excess levels of chloroquinolone which overtime becomes resistant to the antibiotic. So when ever this class of people needs to be treated on chloroquinolone, their body would be resistant to it because they have taken a lot of it into their body system through the foreign chicken and turkey consumed.”

She noted that locally bred poultry products do not contain this substance and other toxic substances often noticed in the foreign bred birds.

She therefore called on the government to put measures in place to prevent smugglers from bringing banned poultry products into the country, adding that Nigerians must stop consuming foreign chicken and turkey.

Some of us are ahead of the raise on this. Read the news below.

US Decides to Restrict Farm Antimicrobial Use

This week, the US’ Food and Drug Administration (FDA) made a final decision on the Veterinary Feed Directive, restricting the use of medically-important antimicrobial drugs in food-producing animals and bringing them under greater veterinary supervision.

The rule will halt the use of antimicrobials purely for production purposes, for example to enhance growth or improve feed efficiency.

Antimicrobials will now only be used for prevention, control or treatment of a specifically identified disease, which should help to reduce the development of dangerous antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria.

According to the US' Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), at least 2 million people in the US become infected annually with bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. At least 23,000 people die each year as a result of these infections – read more.

The new rule will not be fully brought in until December 2016, but US drugs companies and producers are already coming on board to reduce their use of these important antimicrobials.

The latest poultry business to announce their commitment to curbing their use of medically-important antimicrobials is Foster Farms. This week they announced two new chicken products raised without any antibiotics – read more.

TheShootist:
@Fnk
N50-N100 per kg of live bird? Or N50-N100 per each bird? I want to know the unit economics. Trying to contact you, so sent nairaland pm, pls check. I'd like to get in touch with you pls.

I am talking about per kg, Most eateries will buy 1.2kg, 1.4kg, 1.5kg up to 1.8kg depending on what they are doing with it. So depending on where you get your birds and how fast your birds grow, you can get 1.4kg dressed bird between 6wks to 8 wks. So, in my case N680 X 1.4kg = N952. And we try to keep our production cost under N550/kg. So, if you can mill your own feed and get the feed, 25kg at less than N2,600, then you can add the savings to your profit margin. Every kobo gained counts.

Now in this industry, it is about reducing your production cost and increasing your production numbers, (How many birds do you produce/sell per day, per week, per month etc) even if you are only making about N50-N100/kg, it adds up pretty fast if you have several outlets you are supplying to. And the demand is out there, eateries doesn't really have any loyalty to anyone, they just want to know that you can be consistent with your supply, Which I can tell you now, you won't, so don't promise that, so that you won't burn your relationship with them, just tell them that you want to be one of their suppliers.

Hope this helps.

pharmmylovey:
Please guys I just got disappointed by a marketer that promised to pack my broilers am thinking of processing and selling them to Frozen Food Stores. Is this wise? Again how do I enter eateries. Thanks.

It is a good idea, in business the more further you go in processing the product the more valuable it becomes. For example the same size that we sell to eateries at N680, we sell in our own frozen stores at N1,100, and the eateries that buys it at N680, cut the chicken into 4 parts fry it and sell at N700 per part, so they get N2,800. So check the market out and go for it.

Hope this helps.

chilet4cici:
please people how are you managing to make profit from broiler, cost of feed for 100 broilers Is 43,000 for 18 bags at 2700 each, thats feed alone and at sale it will be priced for 1200 even 1000... is this business no longer profitable?

What is the KG of your 100 birds that you raised on 18 bags (25kg?) feed. Feed constitutes a very high percentage of the cost that goes into raising your birds, so anything you can do to reduce the cost of the feed is very paramount to your profitability. So when you ran your number, how much did it cost you to raise each of your birds, e.g what did it come to per kg?
I sell to entries at N680/kg, it is an uphill battle with a lot of them because the big guys sells at N650/kg. But I am able to get away with N680 because of the uniqueness of my birds.

Now it has to be a game of numbers, if I making between N50-N100 per kg bird, then I need to move a whole bunch of those birds to stay in business. So, if you can mill your own feed, you can reduce the cost of production.
I hope this helps.

yemmit90:
when did you buy your Obasanjo DOC? Obasanjo DOC is one of the best i've seen so far. They are very strong and healthy.

besides, with quality feed and good management, you should be able to get a minimum of 1.8kg and above in 6 weeks.

It has been a while. I want to try them again though. Thank you.

Hello people how tuna de ooo, I am hanging tight, trying to retool, quick question, anyone know which of this DOC producers hatches DOC that can get to 2kg live within 5 to 6 weeks? When I started and bought from OBJ's farm in Ibadan, while they died a lot the very first few days, they did reach 2 kg within 6 weeks. Any idea? I know that my v-mix helped but I have read here that there are actually those categories of DOC that can reach 2kg within 6 weeks and another within 8 weeks.

Let me know.

aAK1:
boss I appreciate. The major information I need for you are once I know you are knowledgeable about. In my business plan, I propose to start with 1000 birds. I need to know how much it would much day old layers cost, cost of feeding and medications till they start to lay, amount of space needed (housing and dimension) that's all I need. With that I can do the remaining math. Pls gurus in the house you input will be appreciated

Guys, please anyone with info should please help this our brother out. My system is so unconventional that I don't have the correct info to help, and I am not into layers.

condi1704:
well science is all about trial. Let your cockerel be 24 weeks and hen about 20 weeks old before mating. You can mate at ratio 1 to 10. Although I know the result. However, let's see maybe urs will be different. I am following.

Pleas share ooo,Mehta was your result? Like you said it about trial and from there one can learn. Thanks for the making info though.

davidzfarm18:
@ FNK. ur idea is brilliant.
However, I stand to be corrected. the broilers we have today are PDT of scientific research spanning several decades. vYou will quite agree with me that we have 6wks broilers. 8wks BX, 12wks BX. irrespective of how you feed 8wks BX, they will never give u 2kg live weight in 6 wks. that's the problem some of us have with the hatcheries. ur experiment will work but you may end-up with prolong feeding which in the long run may not give u competitive advantage. imagine feeding ur birds with 6:8 kg of feed to achieve 2kg live weight.
in good climate the experiment may give u more bulk since ur eggs will be sold at More than twice the normal egg prize.

As I read your post, as much as I agree with you, one of your statments that jumped out at me is "Ur experiment will work..." If it will work, I will not get bored down with the "But..." Also, reading further you asked if I can imagine feeding my birds for 6 to 8 weeks to get them up to 2 kg live, my brother that is the numbers of weeks it takes me now to get to 2 kg live with zatech birds, and OBJ birds that I have bought in the past. So, if I can produce my own at that same rate, it is already an achivement, I can now continue to experiment and go from there. But remember, I will be saving on transportation and a whole lot of other incidental.
New let us see what I am already doing though, my 200 layers are 10 weeks old now, none of them died as a result of sickness just heat and stress from moving them when they were little, so, we only lost 8 birds we have a balance of 192 left. We only gave them lasota and gomboro within their first 10 days. That is it, no antibiotics, nothing else, just a mixture of... yes you know. So, withiout chemicalizing my layers, who knows their system could turn out to become like the so called breeder birds. So, introducing Cockrel that was equally raised the same way as the layer, who know, we might have invented something here.
So, guys I am not disputing what is being advised here, I am just thinking outside the box, and if it works, boy! I will be saving myself a boat load of money and that will just become another income center, and fnk breeders stock will be coming to a farm near you. Lol!

So for the experiment poppose, does anyone know the best time to introduce the Cockrel, and at what ratio? Please help. My cockrels will be 12 weeks by Thursday this week and the layers will be 11 weeks.

jamp:
Oga fnk, do u want doc pullets or doc broilers for ur farm. Some year back I produced my doc broilers using layers, cockrel and local fowls (for hatching). They were big and strong. U can do it if your plan is for meat production ie broilers.
it depends on what u want.

Ok, you are saying exactly what I was ignorantly trying to do, before I started getting educated here bout the right way to breed.

So I have about 200 layers, that I bought from Choice farm, and nother 200 Cockrel from Zatch. my Cockrel are free range, and without thinking too much about it, I just want to mix the cockrels and the layers together in the same pen, and let the mating begins, So, I pick the eggs stick them in an incubator, and watch what happens 21 days later. Yes, I am using them for meat, as I explained I have all these eateries requesting for me to supply them birds and for some my challenge is competing with the price that they can get it from the big guys, So, I think that if I can hatch for myself, and mill feed for myself, I can reduce my cost of production and have a wiggle room to compete.

So, yes, it is for broilers, and I was thinking about doing exactly what you said that you've already done in the past. So, could you share more light. How many DOC did you produce? and this is with just regular layers, but instead of feeding them with layers march, you just feed them eight starter or growers marsh, and let the guys (cockrels) mate with them and they lay and this eggs should be incubatable. ( is that a currect english, incubatable?)
Coulpe months ago, I had my 14 to 16 weeks broilers, they were huge and the male among them was mating with the females, and though they were not layers, nor were they feed with layers marsh, they were laying eggs, though they eggs came in different sizes, crazily some eggs had 2 and 3 yokes inside, don't ask me how that happened, the eggs were huge. So, has anyone else done the same thing that we are talking here. and did it work? from the mouth of two or three witnesses shall the truth or the possibility be establish.

aAK1:
Hello fnk, farmtec and Co. I need your numbers. I'm applying for a grant and I really need help feeling the form.

The last time filed out a grant form was several years ago when I was in school, so I have no idea how. Also I am a go at your own pase kind of guys. but if the grant is free money, then by all means take it and build your farm with it.

aAK1:
Hello boss. When getting your Incubator remember your boys ooo. We sell Incubators. To also add to what some people have already told you, after getting your breeders, you have to get equipments for artificial insemination. You won't be introducing male birds at all.

Are your incubators locally made? or imported? what sizes do you have? Are you in Lagos? I have contact to get it from China or even a used one from the U.S. So comparing prices will be the deal breaker.

What about inroducing male to the birds, that seems to me like the better organic way to go. I just de talk my own ooo.

Apitch:
TRUEST TRUE!
U just said my mind, I strongly believe he(fnk) would do a better job than the big shots

For what everyone of us is doing head, guys we all hold the As. we all just need to keep pushing the envelop and thinking outside the box.
As the government raves about the Agriculture section, I don't know that they include us here in their data, so, the numbers might even be higher than they know.

Any ways, carry go guy!

[quote author=mercylicious post=31161802]@fnk, i trust you can do this. you may even turnout to be better than chi and other producers. Try to search videos on you tube and browse online. With the way you think, you might be hitting another goldmine. If they cant sell you breeders, import! south africa comes to mind for the importation.

The doc we buy here are not labelled chi or amoo.it was when i came online that i knew the names of d coy for the first time.

fish farmers spawn their fishes, pig farmers do same. It is possible for poultry farmers to learn and be better than the known names.[/quote

Thank you, I have actually started checking online, but buying what is available and researching with it should be the way to go, and without preseasure start my own production. I know a Ghanaian who imports his from Houston. Thank you again for your believe in me.

davidzfarm18:
sure. CHI will sell for you if you meet their terms and condition

when you say meet their terms and conditions, please what does that mean? I will be needing breeders for broiler.

doctormalik:
With this your explanation, you need special breeds for this purpose and they are called breeders. You can either go for layer breeders or broiler breeders cos they are two different things. Broiler breeders will give you broiler d.o.c while layer breeders will give you pullets. If you are interested in getting layer breeders that are already laying I can assist you.

Thank you

davidzfarm18:
To get birds that will give you consistent performance. ur solution will not work out. You will needed to get in touch with CHI. they have the patent of Is a Hendrix in Nigeria. the business of hatchery in NIGERIA is capital intensive.
however, byou can go ahead with ur plans but surely you will not get birds that Will guarantee you the volume of lay you soo desire.

Are you saying that I can buy the breeders from CHI farm?

FarmTech:
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Birds used to produce layers are special, they are called breeders. The common layers can not produce chicks that will perform well.

Thank you for the info, i will keep researching.

Hello my people, I need some info on a new project that I am working on. I bough 200 layers 10 weeks ago and they are doing well, I want to use them as parent stock and will like to know from the house how to go about that, what to feed them and went, do I introduce male chicken to them what what male chicken, a cocrel? I also have about 200 11 weeks cocrel in the farm. I actually want to buy an incubator and just hatch for my self. It will really mitigate my electrical cost since while I am brooding my day olds and can be hatching another set of 1000 chicks with the same electrical cost. take away transportation to Ibadan, mortality from travel stress and the flunctuation of the price of the day old in the market, all this can reduce my overhead and increase my profit margin giving me the room to compete. I am seriously hiting the sales outlet and have bunch of eateriesand supermarkets lined up now to waiting for us to be suppling them, but some of our challenges had always been our price comparing it with the big guys out there. These outlet likes the taste and look of our chicken, but wants me to reduce from my N680/kg to 650/kg that they buy from the other guys. If I can do what I explained above, I can save myself some of this overheads and be able to compete. We have two outlets now that their combined demand is over 1500 birds per week, so even if my take home is N20/bird after all the overheads are taken care of, it is still not a bad deal, and this is just from two outlets and we still have a few more in our pool of customers. And I know milling my own feeds will really help reduce the overhead.

So guys, please I need help with info on this parent stock deal, I have no clue how to go about it yet or have not bordered about it till now.

Thanks guys.

we need to get this video out so that people will know what they are eating when they buy imported frozen chicken.

See this link: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1543337615944778

We need people to patronize our local and much more healthier production.

jamp:
oga fnk, sorry for the loss.are they pullets or broilers?
what is solution to this problem. people are actually loosing birds after gumboro vaccination.

Broilers.

jamp:
this your report is scary. may God help us.

I am suffering from that right now, have lost over 500 day olds after giving them Gomboro.

Globaby01:
I have lost 4 birds since Tuesday till today, I don't know why. all I can understand is that one was wet before I went to work and I don't know how, so I thought the lamp will warm it but it died and this evening I met 2 fresh dead and one soaked with water, making it 4 altogether. I gave them initially glucose and stress-vit and that's all. at first they all were not eating but they are gradually picking up. what have I missed and still missing . please help urgently, friends in the house

Try everything you can do to manage this set that you have, but don't buy from this source again, I had a very bad experience with them and after visiting and enquiring from other farmer, they complained of this same issue of mortality, I lost so many birds from them, Zatech day olds, have a higher survival rate, chi farm is another one that I have head that is good. Pele!

jamp:
Oga fnk n omotiti, here is the nipple drinker

Yeahhhhh, I saw that set also on Amazon, this is good.

Burger01:
I need solution to this one. My head dey hot. Ishilove help me out. I'm not that dull!

She could have said anything that can be spelt with 14 matchstick. the explanation said that she removed one of the sticks, so that she removed one stick didn't mean that she did not rearrange what was written by the guy. So, thinking outside the box, try writing anything with 14 sticks and you will be right.