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Oga no source. Pls go and die

jabolo:
The only mistake we've made in the past is to give too much credence to dumb ethnic bigots like yourself. Follow this thread, everyone is talking about Buhari articulating himself very well on behalf of our nation, compared to GEJ's rubbish presentations and, to be candid, his demonstrated cluelessness in power. You enter and your instinct is to spout rubbish about ethnicity. Aren't you embarassed for yourself? Aren't you ashamed of whatever education you claim to have received?

People like you are holding the nation back and I'm only heartened that, it appears, most of our youths can see waaaaay beyond the primitive scenarios you prefer to live in. They have accesss to information far beyond the control of the politicians and *Chicken Lickens like yourself. I hope they make their own critical decisions on whom to vote for at the appoined time.


* always prone to cry that "the sky is falling" until he ended up in the Fox's stomach, capisch?

Guy you wicked o o o o o.

See finishing

eyenibibio:
Abi, they were clamoring for change. . .here it is.

Are you mad or something?

I vote first.

For GMB


Edit.

I guess have seen something like conducted poll on nairaland in the past. Seun should organise a poll and allow the process to be free and fair.

This is something I do. Though I dont make calls but I just send a short campaign msg to friends and families I have their contacts.

We need to spred the msg. . . .

tit:
jega cannot give voters card to nigerians,
how can he make sure our ballots count?

jega the clueless fool should go!

Show me your friend and I will know who you are. Since you show support for GEJ, you have becone clueless like your principal.

Jega said all the PVC is available for collection. You dont expect him to disyribute the pvc to people at there door steps.

demelza:
You have an opportunity to change it come Feb 14.

Yes, thanks for giving me a hope for progressive change.

I have my PVC (permission to vote out cluelessness) and would make sure my vote count.

My prayer is that the election should hold on feb14

Oh, why am i in the country govern by a clueless drunkard?

Sauce pls.

And anyone or group can support and vote for who ever pleases them but they should stop disturbing our peace with who they endorse.

Oh sinner man

Where would you run to oh sinner man

Where would you run to oh sinner man

Whee would you run to on the judgement day.



GEJ and mama peace are been chased around like a forbidden one. Whee would GEJ rest to after the election? Will he remain in the north where he is hated like a plague or will he return to the south where his homie dont want ti see him with fatty mama?

I pity this man

DSS and Dokubo are both GEJ attacking dogs.

The invitation is nothing and shows DSS do not mean business.

@sincerenigerian, any update so far?

chukwudi44:
failbuhari 14 is not too far.You should wait till after that dat to gloat les you gloat in vain

Your clueless drunkard should let the election hold on feb14 if he is really sure of winning.

chukwudi44:
cowards like you will be the first to jump under the bed at the first sound of gunshot

You can have your view and express your opinion but pls do not bring your madness and insult to my person.

If this report is comfirmed as true, expect civil disobedience.. ....

And the rest assured that GEJ is a goner. . . Your rant on nairaland can't stop that

GEJ is a desperado.

He will surely pay for his bad deed very soon.

Someone should pls confirm this news so that civil disobedience can kickstart

GEJ should not listen to this old greedy fools.

When we are thinking Abacha is the worst thing that has ever happen to Nigeria, Jonathan and those supporting him have proven us wrong.

GEJ is indeed destined to bankrupt Nigeria. We are tired of anarchy and we have had enough violence. This man should let the election hold in peace.

Someone should tell me this is a joke.

macof:
what do you mean by forcing you to take one application? Languages are built on logic and have a set rule
are you the father of Yoruba language? When you get a translation wrong you get it wrong no need to keep being adamant...I also thought "la" in Orunmila meant "Save" but I learnt I was deceived by wrong internet articles...which you hold so dear
Never in conversational Yoruba does "la" mean "to save" NEVER!
It could mean to clear
In another tone it means to succeed/...this verb forms Ola "wealth"
In a different tone it could mean to divide/break/to create a boundary, to mark

Gbamila could be broken to form "gbala"(that's why you have olugbala) as a verb meaning "to save" you don't need to break it just "la" to manipulate your way
People don't even say Gbamila anymore, they simply say "gba mi"

Oga, I have a colleague at work here that bears Adetula. . .he never for once interprete the la in his name as success but save.

Gbamila is a common name among the Yoruba people. It is mostly called Adegbamila. it also mean save.

La mean lot of thing when applied to different context. What is adamancy here when I agree that la could mean Success as Orunmila is concern? Must you just have to throw insult around or resort to name-calling when we dont agree on things?

Orunmila is also known or called Orunla. What is the la in Orunla? Is it the samething as success or wealth?

These are the question you should ask.


I quickly asked a priest in the hood and he told me something deifferent yesternight. He said Orunmila when splitted is 'Orun-mo-oola' meaning the spiritual realm knows tomorrow. Can you now see that this is entirely different from success or wealth?

Orun-mo-oola gives more insight to Eleri-Ipin. The fulfilment of Ipin lies in tomorrow. Ipin has nothing to do with success or failure. What ever one choose lies in future.

I foresee eruption of violence if the election is postponed.

GEJ should go home in peace. The humiliation would be unbearable if he continue like this.

9jacrip:
Ala as boundary is not used across Yoruba land but a good example regardless.

Ala funfun is also a good example.

And like my response to Macof, I agree to purity not 'light'.

Ala in Oba ti ala references 'white cloth' which in essence means 'purity'.

I agree that Obatala is the king of white clothe which has essense of purity. So lets leave all that for na. What is the essense of white clothe in science?

Awo falokun fatunmibi in his published article agree that Obatala is white light spectrum. I understand that you are not interested in scientifical aspect of Yoruba spirituality but as you can see this thread is more concern about the scientifical side. . . . .reason you didnt see me highlighting morality of drunkness.

He is an awo and you are. He went through initiation and got exposed to the knowledge of our spirituality. He like every other person have read from their books and internet articule (I mean the one you dismiss completely) agree that Obatala is the king of white clothe but represnt white light.

I will beg for you interest sir, you could pls tell us what Obatala in the creation story represent. Should we romance with the myth as it is or unravel what the myth could be passing as message?

9jacrip:
You're Ikale then?

Yes

9jacrip:
Not wrong but when seeking to validate the place or powers pf Sango from Thor is wrong, at least to me.

ok

9jacrip:
Oh well, the little secrecy is to be expected but I tell you sir, be careful of sites and books althpugh some carry honest but surface details

Ok

9jacrip:
You do not have to be sorry sir, it happens. I will add as much as possible to details and we can always exchange ideas sir.

I will look forward to this sir

9jacrip:
Authority over what subject sir? gods and science? What could I possiblt add to this?

God and science.

You could add representaion of each deity from the Yoruba creation story.

Someone said Eshu is Ether. I am still trying to see if he is right. The account of Yemoja align with the falling icy comet source of water theory. The kick start of light is in track with Obatala. Sango as been argued in my lost thread represent Electrical energy. The common man see Iron as Ogun. You see the drivers swearing with their car or key 'Ogun re' meaning this Ogun; meanwhile, what they hold with them is key and not a man clothed with palm front.

What could each Orisha represent to your own view?

macof:
Folykaze actually Ola is wealth... you took out "la" from the name Adetola
but it doesn't change the meaning

Even though I agree wirh 9jacrip that ala is white clothes and also mean purity and boundary, there is no way you can force me to hold onto one application of a common used Yoruba word.

La like you pointed out is wealth.

What is la in Adetula? Is it success too?

What is the la in Gbamila, is it success too?

uyplus:
So has the government paid salaries for the past 3 months? Isn't benue state owing it's teachers for 8months now, and still counting? That money was stolen. Tomorrow you wld object that patience jonathan didnt launder $13m, and you wld object that diezianni didn't spend N10bn on chartered flight. You would also say that $470m scam cctv contract for FCT wasn't true, you may also choose to say that Abba Moro was never involved in the immigration job scam, you may also say that the president doesn't have 11jets in his fleets and never budgeted N10bn for aircraft maintanance, you may also say that our security budget isn't N968bn, you may also say that pension fund scam was untrue, you may also say that $20bn was unremitted to the cbn by NNPC (even though Okonjo Iweala admitted it that the money was missing), you may also say that the president never budgeted N4bn for feeding, you may also say that $30bn wasn't spent by this government to restore power but we currently have less than 3000MW to serve a country of 170million Nigerians.

Stop living in denial. Deep down within you, you know everything is so wrong with this government. Our collective future is at stake. Have you ever thought of what all these missing monies would have been used to achieve if well utilized? Please, lets speak the truth to ourselves. Don't sear your conscience to this injustice!! There's an ever widening gap between the rich and the poor in Nigeria. Poverty has risen from 54% to 70%, GDP has dropped from 11% to 6%, youth unemployment Hss risen from 5% to 75%

God please touch the hearts of youths, open up their eyes so they can see clearly how this economy is nose diving to an all time low state.

This made me crying

macof:
Wealth

Couldnt you find contextion application here? Why would you be blind to iy?

9jacrip:
1. Ala, generally in Yoruba land and not just with me, means white cloth. That is the actual name for it but could also be called aso funfun which is came up as a result of English influence on Yoruba language construction the same way people speak and write Yoruba influenced English.

Ala also is boundary. 'mase koja ala e' meaning do not cross your boundary.

It is purity. 'oju Orun ala funfun gbo'.

Dismissing these up here for the one you only choose to hold to is. . . .

9jacrip:
2. Ela is far different and renoved from Ala. Ela Oluorogbo was an ancient Ife figure who is credited with bringing a particular writing style to Earth. 'Ela' in his name denotes revelation (of writing). The temple and family that does Ela worship is there in Ife (has been for ages).

my bad, I brought Ikale to ede Yoruba.

9jacrip:
------ there are Yoruba words that do not change no matter the context you use tem.

Not ala of purity and ala of boundary.

9jacrip:
3. This is another spot we differ; I am not a fan of tagging these gods and things about them to creation story of big bang or garden of eden wahala. Most importantly, taking things as far as symbolism will require bending or corrupting things to serve a purpose. As can be seen with Ala in the name Obatala which you said to be light

My point again is, is it wrong to compare Sango to Thor? You have not answer this sir.

9jacrip:
4. Well, can't fault you for buying the contents of the links but really, they are loaded with errors and objective of linking Yoruba mystery to science after Christianity and Islam have done theirs.

The link has been source of most of the things I know since Awos want to keep things to themselves.

9jacrip:
5. You can link gods all you want but if you have to, make sure Yoruba gods are primary and others from other cultures are secondary since it would help cement the primacy of these gods and not seek for useless validation from other cultures as witnessed severally with Egypt abd Mecca BS.

Ok sir

9jacrip:
6. Ifa is not a 'West African Religion' under which other gods fall, neither is it a religion at that. If a person like Pagan9ja sees it as a religion, it is your duty (an every Yoruba sons and daughters with knowledge) to correct him and hell broaden his view on it. The content of those websites, their writers and anyone who believes the jargons there in is only helping to drive Yoruba civilization aground; rather than correct the mix ups or outright falsehood, you are posting the links around to support your claims?

The links and books majorly are the source of my knowledge.

9jacrip:
7. It is quite interesting to read your post where you said 'the writers are very vast in knowledge of the subjec. What subject? Science or about Yoruba gods? Maybe science but Yoruba belief, they know little. I might decide to begin to point out the many errors in those links but I have a lot of work load at hand.

8. I am not interested in the science of creation, so I have no reason to say they are wrong or right but with the various deliberate or innocent errors done while describing Yoruba properties in order to serve a purpose is where I have a problem.

9. A babalawo, firstly is an Ifa initiate and the 'awo' in the title simply means he can only say little to an 'Ogberi'. Also, the awo of Orisa, is bound by oath to keep details in check. As an awo myself, there is only so much I can share. Asking me to back up my 'claims' about something I breathe, live and eat is quite offensive but my advice is 1. Your idea of weaving gods to creation is smooth but do not bend anything, if a god does not fit in then it should be left alone. 2. Rather than absorb and tout these links, seek to help correct their false informations they carry abd threaten Yoruba civilization with.

Eruadaji o!

I am sorry if I offend you by asking for backup. I really thought we were one (Ogberi).

How should I go seeking for the correct information? Can I ask for it here?

Seems you have an authority over this subject, can we pls leave at one side 'ala' and learn something from you?

macof:
I don't need internet links to understand yoruba language especially from questionable sources...the same way you read links to determine Emi?

and with my example of Adimula I was bringing an historical event to light. Adimu being a child of oduduwa's household but chance of him becoming king was slim...when he did, people starting calling him Adimula - because he succeeded


Look at the name Orunmila and tell me how salvation fits over success

Tell me what 'la' is in Adetola.

macof:
@folykaze, 9jacrip is right to say Orunmila is "the spirit realm knows who will succeed"
In Yoruba there's no concept of soul salvation there's only soul evolution and devolution through ur Iwa on earth

I know of Adimu-la meaning Adimu succeeds

And Oduduwa is the fundamental principle/power that set up creation not character or behaviour
I could go with the popular "character" definition only if it relates to form and structure nt behaviour(as in psychology)...


@9jacrip being an omo Obatala, I respect you but don't you think Ala "white cloth" represents the abstract idea of clarity and purity?

Have you checked the links I provided? The links said 'save'. . .

I admit 'la' is success/accomplishment.

Adimu la is not correct. Adimu se a se la could only mean success.

Adimu la ja only mean triumph.

Adimu gba mi la only mean salvation.

So you should check the relationship between those la having three meaning. Note, I can still go further.

@ 9jacrip

Actually larger part of this thread has been lost during the period narialand was attacked. And I still appreciate the fact that you are reviving it.

I accept the fact with you that Ala is white clothe. I think I am not wrong as well calling it Aso funfun. But if you look closely, you will realise that the word is not limited to a meaning. Were you not the one that says Ela is clarity and revelation (more like saying Elawori). Do you as well want to tell me that white clothe is the samething as Clarity or revelation? Do you know that Ela is the name of a person as well. Is the person a white clothe? Ala could also mean purity or boundary. Most important thing is context at which the word is used.

This thread is about pointing out a particular essence from the creation story. As per Obatala, I acknowledged he is the king of white clothes. But what could be the symbolic representation of white clothe? What is the essence of white clothes in the creation story?

On the other round, you dont have interest in reading from those links I put forward. This is to show you that I was not distorting or trying to distort any account.

I beg to disagree on relating Orisha to other culture deities. Is it also wrong to relate Sango with Thor or Amadioha?

On Ifa as a religion, this has also been discussed on a thread created by me. It all depend on the angle you're viewing things from. To me, it is not a religion but to person like pagan9ja, he sees it as a religion.

So much this issue is concern, I have clarified that I have no authority on it. I am not the one that update those sites but we share the same ideas. Also I have strong believe that those that updated it have a vast knowledge about the subject. Note also that this is a multiple site sharing the same opinion with my deduction. If we all could be wrong and you insist that you are right, I will implore you to back up every claim of yours. It could be by providing a reliable link or linking us to a babalawo who have much say off-internet.

Yeeepa 'Mole

clevvermind:
Haters can go and kill themselves if they like. all i know is Jonathan till 2019. still Jonathan till buhari locate his certificate.

Re.tard celebrating 1812 locomotive train. Wake up dude and smell the coffee. . . .change has come to stay

gatiano:
I did not miss Obatala has the king of the cross roads, I know that Obatala is associated with white clothes. I do not see them as in relation to science. Amongst many things, they are supreme scientists.

i just decided to talk a little about Eshu representing ether, and without ether, light can't be seen even when light is present.

Thankyou very much for the corrections.

The Ether cosmological relation to Eshu is every interesting. I will do more research when I am less busy.

These are links you could read something about Obatala and light on :


http://www.africaspeaks.com/reasoning/index.php?topic=3562.0;wap2

http://ileifa.org/ifa-cosmology-ifa-tells-us-how-the-universe-came-into-being/

9jacrip:
As interesting as this thread appears to be, I must say the attempt to explain these gods with science makes no sense. I mean, there are more to these gods which are unrelated to sceience and which it cannot explain and goes beyond the magnetism, atoms, comets etc

A lot as gone missing after te data lose. There was a debate created by Reginus which I and many others participated in. On te tread, we were arguing the scientific essence of Sango been seen from the science angle by me as electrical energy. I made mention on the thread that each pataki contain lot of essence put together in it. I agree with you that there are more to this Gods than science and I will want you to understand that this thread particularly focus on scientifical essence of pataki.

Take a look out the planetary bodies, they were named after roman gods. The stories accounted for these gods have some reflection (if possibly not all) that affect the planetary bodies. So when we talk about Yemoja in the creation story, you will notice the relationship it relay with source of water and others. This is what the thread is about.

9jacrip:
@ OP (FolyKaze): I also see distortion of or bending histories attached to these gods in order to serve your purpose of scientific approach. For example Obatala according to you is 'Oba ita ala' - King of the cross roads of white light (which is very false) while in actual sense it is 'Oba ti ala' - King of White clothes. Whichever way you put it, 'Ala' means white cloth not light! How then does white cloth then relate to your light in creation theory? Please do not arrogate 'ala' white cloth to mean light, it is fraud. Obatala is also known as Orisa Popo (its actual name in another Yoruba town, relate this name to creation?).

Thanks for calling me out. But I will make you understand that I am not in any way distorting or trying to bend any point made above.

Firstly, let me use this opportunity to correct the mistakes you make above. . .Ala is also Ela. It mean white or purity.

White clothe is Aso funfun not ela

So we could have have it as Obaasofunfun and not Obatala. You are right when you refer t Obatala as Oba ti ala (king of white of light). Some other name that he is been called is Oba ti o nla (the king who makes prosperity) and Orisha-nla.

I dont need to say much here, this links would help .

http://ileifa.org/ifa-cosmology-ifa-tells-us-how-the-universe-came-into-being/ http://www.africaspeaks.com/reasoning/index.php?topic=3562.0;wap2 , http://divinemoon.tumblr.com/post/51321796828/obatala-is-the-king-of-the-white-light-usually , http://orishareligion.com/OR/index.php/en/olodumare-emanations/obatala

9jacrip:
Oduduwa/Odu to da Iwa: breaking Odu to O dudu is utter rubbish and driving it to mean black woman is major falsehood.

You could as well read what I wrote there carefully. I acknowledge the name Oduduwa denotes "Odu ti o da Iwa".

As well, Oduduwa when broken is O, owner. Oodu is womb and dudu is black while Iwa is character. Womb is an attribute of woman.

The name Oduduwa means the black one. ‘O’ is ownership;’ dudu’ is black. The word ‘odu’ also means womb. Thus Oduduwa means the owner of the black womb or the black woman.

https://www.facebook.com/OduaRere/posts/734731103235060 http://orishareligion.com/OR/index.php/en/olodumare-emanations/oduduwa

9jacrip:
Orunmila: orun lo mo eni to ma la - 'la' here means succeed/successful or make it not 'saved'

Lol. . . .are you really a Yoruba?

The name Orunmila derives from "Orun-ni-o mo eni-ma-la" (meaning "only heaven knows the secret to salvation and survival".

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Orunmila.html

http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Orunmila

9jacrip:
Overral, your thread only shows you have an idea of Isese and your interest in it but attaching it to science is myopic considering you'd only take what you need from the whole to explain each god as a whole scientifically which makes no sense because you're expected to explain them scientifically in completion.

Thanks but Yoruba spirituality encompass science and tradition. Read those links pls

9jacrip:
Lastly, bending interpretation of names to suit your thesis collapses everything and makes it unworthy of being taken serious but at least I admire the fact that you are trying to un-securitize these deities that Nollywood abd Abrahamic religion have almost succeeded in demonizing.

Eeepa Oris!

Read the pataki and comapre it with science account. If they dont tally, pls point it out.

Orisha a gbe wa o.

Ashe

vooks:
You understand 'initial plan' better than any of us, why not make babies with your own mum?

Seun, I found here a coward bring ing another person mum to a public discussion.

This kind of kids are not needed here pls

styno22:
You guys are wrong, marriage is a union between two individuals(oposite sex) joined by a priest or pastor in a church or in a public place for d spirit of God to guide and lead them through their marital life and for the public to note their new status and to be a withness in future. A woman that is not public joined by a priest or pastor lives in fear about the future and stability of her marital life.

Nonsense. Who was the pastor that joined Adam and Eve?