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mmsen: Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.

You are arguing from a position of gross ignorance.

Wrong!

Eve the naturals are attributed to superntural power or beings.

You guys are yetto provide explanation on what supernatural is.

It is cowardice to argue on a subject you cant provide distinctive tenacity for.

As for the ignorance insult, I take that as a complement. . . .you havent show you can do better.

Weah96: Now, what does supernatural mean to YOU?

Lol..This is show of shame.

You are throwing my question back at me?

Na wa o

Weah96: Things that seemingly defy nature, like speaking to a family member who is in Shanghai while you're watching the world cup in Jos.

You are just plain myopic and completely irrational.

How does communication over a distance defy nature?

When did superntaural becomes a phenomena that defy nature? Where did you get that from?

Is this a definition? I cant score you 1/10. Really poor.

Dont make me perceive you as empty type that make noise.

Again what is supernatural?

beejaay: bros how can i define what supernatural is when i dont even know 100% of what NATURAL is?? i can only begin to know what supernatural is when i grasp the full detail of what natural is...hope u get my drift

Then I dont think you have a say on a subject you cannot construct a distinctive tenacity for.

Ifyjemila: it is just the fact.

What fact?

Weah96: I did address it, with skepticism. If people would only be honest, then we could eliminate some of the false anecdotes of supernatural events. Everything, given time and the current trajectory of human advancement, will eventually be explained. All supernatural things then must have a perfectly reasonable answer. For example, stop and consider the cellphone. It allows you to speak to a relative anywhere even at distances of thousands of miles. I don't know about you, but talking to someone who isn't there is what I call supernatural. But there's a perfectly reasonable explanation which allows the phenomenon to be repeated. Imagine that only two mobile phones existed, both owned by one set of twins who refused to divulge the source of the phones. Would you not then say that the twins were defying natural laws by speaking to themselves across vast expanses of space when nobody else could?

This is empty and senseless rant.

Guy what is supernatural?

beejaay: i had already told you in the other thread that just because you cant explain something, u should term it supernatural..nothing is supernatural and i can promise you that with time, that thing u called supernatural will be called natural. people still called sleep-paralysis psyhic attack down here in my place... they still think that agbana can enter peoples money and wealth and i wonder why cant agbana enters dangote or babangida or even tinubu money (agbana is mystical spending of ones money by spirit thereby turning the owner to a poor man)

here are few questions for you

1) do u still consider smallpox as supernatural disease hundreds of years ago our ancestor called it supernatural
2) do u still consider Maleria as supernatural diseasehundreds of years ago our ancestor called it supernatural and even worshipped it by called it Sonpana
3) flying on a plane a thousand years ago will be consider supernatural. now do u think its still supernatural

the point is that once u called something supernatural, u closed up your mind from asking question and moving towards answer and u are enjoined to always keep an open mind. we dont even know 10% of natural and people talk of something supernatural

Guy simply define what supernatural is.

Weah96: Anecdotal accounts don't prove anything.

You have not addessed anything in he claimed.

On the contrary, what is supernatural?

beejaay: what did u smoke bro pass me some i wanna fly on a unicorn

Alhaji mohammad

ghostofsparta: Tell me more about what you know on Osayin - The Deity governing all things medicinal both in herbal-pharmaceutics, supernatural and beyond.

Is this rite of beginning for general ỌFỌ incantation correct?

Mo juba lọwọ Olu bikin to kọkọ jawé
Mo juba lọwọ Ọsọyin to kọ wa lo
Mo juba lọwọ ẹyin Iya Aṣakẹ, Apakẹ, Alakẹ alagogo idẹ
Ẹyin Iya arogba asọ makan lẹ
Mo ṣe iba lọwọ Olugbohun Arikẹ
Mo ṣe iba lọwọ osẹyin gbohun Aṣakẹ

There are many relationship between Orunmilla and Osayin, care to tell me the ones you know?

@ the ofo. . .waoh.

I wish I could know all this.


On the part of Orunmila and Osanyin, I learnt that the later is the awo that helps get leaves for Orunmila after divination.

Elantracey: everything I guess

so what do you think you understand?

Never to drag words with cherubs

Elantracey: hehehe , you know you dear don't like much arguments

You asked for prove anyway.

Well, I understand berra.

So whats good?

Elantracey: I nor run o, better person answer you na

You leave your love to that ignorant rascal?

Elantracey: so where did they get the rumour from?

My run away love

Praying to Allah?

Abi responding to prompt command?

beejaay: but bros Inception is a damn good film..it propelled me to look for answers on somethings that i have been struggling to reconcile about dreams....dreams within dreams, different layers of dreams and sleep.
have u seen the movie??

I watch movies only when i'm trapped socially

cescky: for the part you dont understand dont worry its not yours for you grasp......the deep calleth unto the deep.....

Are you deep? Make me feel the depth of the deep. . . .and stop mouthing me.

cescky: it doesn't take insight to see that you really are ignorant of spiritual things hence blind, satan is the God of this world,

Did I say Satan isnt the ruler of the world?

Satan isnt a name but a title given on an action.

And your God is the satan. .. . .if there is a spiritual sides, you either inform us or shut up.

cescky: read that bible thoroughly Jesus even mentions this several times, adam was the ruler of this world till he lost and gave his authority to satan......obviously this is too deep for you and if you will listen theres more to life than what your deceitful eyes shows you.

Adam is a name not a title like Satan. . . .your analogy fails.

cescky: lets even go scientific, there's this paranormal programme shown on dstv... cant really recall the name, but these guys with scientific instruments investigate haunted house and have captured things that the naked eye cant even pick up ie ghost or spirit related.

I am gasping for meaning??

cescky: Like i said earlier on we must all do the works of our fathers! as you do yours i do mine.

Your father birth evil and lies. . . .He is the satan.

cescky: but then its quite a waste casting my pearl before swine......u will only trample it under your foot and tear yourself up.

Ok sire

cescky: have a nice day!

Your God is the father of lies and evil; so he is the devil, demon, satan.

You cant beat it, swallow it.

Cheers

Just lol. . . .

You could have do away with emotion, I can still manage your myopic feeble mind.

What ya got. . .

cescky: in your words your saying Jesus said he is the father of lies?.......stop quoting what you lack understanding about.

Can you make me understand this thing I aint understanding.

There are many ways Jesus pointed to the face of your God and his Father that he is the satan, devil and the evil one. I trust you dont want me to slide there.

These are the word from Jesus, not me so pls address me where you think I stumbled in misconception or else deal with the man of his word; Jesus. Take your case to him.

cescky: secondly in the story from 2nd kings the bible says a lying spirit stood before the Lord and said i will be a lying spirit.........(and Note that this judgment was against a very evil king here ahab husband of jezebel)

I aint lying or trying to force meaning to the 2 kings you are trying hard to defend.

The spirit their acted on the order of your God as the agent. Do you know what agent is?

Was your God not the one that caused evil (Amos 3:6), was he not the one that went around lying (Jeremiah 20:7)?

The person that assign an assassin for a terminating mission is also a murderer right?

Your God sent spirit of lie all around. . .he is the father of all lies.

cescky: olodo we are not made to understand that the spirit was created out of God,(of course God created all things, but the rebellious angels are now demons and will be jugded) but rather the lying spirit was taking permission from God to undertake its mission,now the bible makes us understand that even the devil does stand in the presence of God making constant accusations and takes permison to torment Gods people, eg Job ......also the bible makes us understand that if we forsake God, we are given over to other spirits contrary to the spirit of the Almighty(the devil is looking for people that will go with him to his destiny and will gladly assist and escort all that are willing)

Did lucifer give permission to your God before he went around lying, causing evil, confusion and delusion?

1 Samuel 16:14-15 a wicked spirit from God, terrorizzing; Jeremiah 4:10, Jeremiah 20:7, Ezekiel 14:9; God deceiving people by himself.

He is working for himself and using agents.

He is the father of lie and evil.

cescky: Thirdly man is a spiritual being created in the likeness of God... scriptures say ye are gods....ie man is like God,

Shattap!

We are Gods. . . .

cescky: just as its crazy to think God can be forced or coerced so is the case of man he has a free will, and does what ever he pleases but must reap the fruits of his actions , because the ruler of the universe has laws in place.....

I cant still understand how this comes in.

There is nothing like freewill.

Did God not harden pharaoh heart. . . .where is the freewill then?

cescky: fourthly your obviously answering from bitterness from your last post....see the ruler of this world has blinded the MIND(not the eyes) of they that believe not......even a medical doctor can tell you what bitterness does to your system talk less of your perception/spiritual eye/mind.......oh well we must all do the works of our fathers, remain blessed.

The bold said it all.

The ruler of the world is . . . . .devil

and your God has caused delusion to cloud the mind of the people like you said 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

Who send the delusion. . .Your God.

Who is the devil. . .your God.

Who is the father of lie and evil. . . .your God.


Served!!!

Ubenedictus: actually i was still on nl as late as 12am on sunday marwing, i already saw where u were going before you began, i also had my own plan to dent your ideology. Besides i don't think u and makof agree completely in that topic, i had a sweet rebutal prepared for him. Unfortunately when i came back to paste my answers, nl was gone.
I hope to discuss those issues with you again, prolly not as a debate but as an exposition.



That said,

why do you mean by "its an illusion"?

No worries. . . .we will have the discussion all over on a separate thread. I believe there would be red light sometim in the future.




The brain creates all those feelings, believe and knowledge. It is all an illusion

GooseBaba: Damnnnn..! Bros, you were really into this christian thing o..how Jesus take fuvk up for ya side...

It a long story.

Well I still find some little sense in the bible. . . .but I cant just eat the many nonsense in it and they christian tryna force it down on people.

plaetton: There is absolutely no reason for a god, no purpose for a god , and certainly no evidence for a god in the universe.

It never ever makes sense.

When somebody comes to preach to me about god, to be polite I just keep asking the person " Why".
Like , why do I need prayers to god, why do I need to go to church, why do I need to believe in god, why do I need god, why do I need heaven. why do I need everlasting life, etc ?

They simply have none or just kindergarten reasons for these common sense questions.

I still cant understand why you guys cant think beyound Abrahamic God.

Chai.

macof: Many people have this philosophy that "Everything happens for a reason with a cause"
I subscribe to that, for very good reasons too

If I am to survive a car accident I would count myself lucky, but what controls this "luck"

Watever it is I would give thanks o


But then when has life given the impression that the creator is all kind and loving??
Why do people still expect an all loving, giving good things God?
life is much more complicated

Tuale Omo Iya.

You said it all.

What pastor failed to perceive is the CAUSE as the God been thanked.

Rich4god: Just observing...

Observation no be crime o

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The.Big.Urban:
https://content7.flixster.com/movie/11/16/67/11166725_800.jpg

Dem use movie do you?

texanomaly: maybe...but don't true believers think that this life is not the end and death is just a beginning. Are true believers really afraid of death, and isn't time eternal for such a person?

Good,

Death equals to transition like the Yoruba people would put it.

And life = activeness.

Everything is alive in it own world.

texanomaly: I'm curious as to why you think he could not experience suffering as a God?

Is there anything like suffering?

Ubenedictus: i think the whole idea of the incarnation is that God did suffer not just for us but with us.

He knows our suffering becos he experienced it, our doubt, our failings, he came to be with us.

I think paul makes a point in hebrews, "though he was son, he learn obedience through suffering", that experience make him a capable high priest cos he knows our weakness, he can trully be our intercessor.

Hey dude. . . .those hackers help loose from my trap on that 'catholism, Idolatory' thread. Whats up.

Regarding your post, I will like to simplify it with the fact that there is nothing like knowledge, suffering whatever. . . .it is all illusion.

texanomaly: Wow! Till I got to the end and noticed you were quoting someone else, I thought you were 58 years old.

@ topic

Lately...I got nothin'

I think say na only me o

Elantracey: can you prove that?

My dear, you dare me?

Alright get you bible and open to 1 kings 22:22-23 a lying spirit from the LORD; 1 Samuel 16:14-15 a wicked spirit from God, terrorizzing; Jeremiah 4:10, Jeremiah 20:7, Ezekiel 14:9; God deceiving people by himself or sending his lying army. . . . .and Jesus said he is the father of the lie and evil. Please who is the father of lie and evil here? JEHOVAH your God indeed. . . .ability I lie?

And dear, pls provide answer to my question on the existence of good and evil

Elantracey: Talking about the spirit of lie , yes he could be in existence but certainly not from God , or maybe I'll cell it the spirit of deceit .


What do u mean by there's neither good or evil?

Have you forgotten that God uses spirit of lie on people and the spirit is from him?

There is no evil because what you called evil or good depends on the perspective through which you are viewing things from. Killing is evil to some and good to some. . . .therefore you never can rule out.

Also God created evil. . . .you always see him as a good lovely father. If we are judge from his creation, he is then the evil one. But that aside, the board must be paint black so that the white chalk inscription can be visible.

Pastor AIO: I'm not quite sure about that claim in bold. I believe that there are many who believe that some events are truly spontaneous. ie. they have no cause.

I am getting you wrong somewhere around the word 'spontaneous'. When defined, it does not have anything to do with 'nothingness'. Maybe you would help me understand your stance on that word, would appreciate that.

Well from what I gathered from my dict, I found out that you are making effort to round up 'cause' as something from external source or influences. Though it is part of it but it is not complete without considering the internal force or cause.

Permit me to bring Online dictionary in.

spontaneous[ spon-tey-nee-uhs ]
adjective

1. coming or resulting from a natural impulse or tendency; without effort or premeditation; natural and unconstrained; unplanned:a spontaneous burst of applause.

2. (of a person) given to acting upon sudden impulses.

3. (of natural phenomena) arising from internal forces or causes; independent of external agencies; self-acting.

4. growing naturally or without cultivation, as plants and fruits; indigenous.

5. produced by natural process.

From definition;

1. We have impulse as the internal cause.

2. We have upon sudden impulse as the internal cause.

3. Vivid internal force or cause

4. Something within caused this; could be weathering, erosion, wind, unconscious human and animal factors or nature (soil minerals, and others)

5. By natural process. . .as the cause.

So my brother, from the definition above, something happening spontaneously do have a cause either internally or externally or both. Spontaneously does not have anything to do with nothing.

Pastor AIO: If events can occur, eg a particle come into being out of nothing, spontaneously then it negates the need for a cause in all cases. what if the universe itself was a spontaneous occurrence out of nothing.

Nothing here is rounded up in lacks of knowledge surrounding the event. Absence of evidence like they say is not evidence of absent.

When did particle come to be without a cause?

I don't know if we both view things from different angle, the origin of our universe lies on other universes (multiverse) relayed on the string theory which I will take as the cause of the singularity followed by internal influences that heated and banged the expansion of the said singular universe.

Nothing isn't real on it own. There is no proof that nothing ever even existed, let alone that something came from it. There is nothing like out of nothing. Something cannot comes out of nothing unless you prove otherwise. The truth is that there is always something but likely we don't know or perceive it.

Grant me another chance of adding Yoruba popular folklore about baldness, Igun and Akalamagbo;

Something caused baldness on Igun's head, something caused baldness on Akalamagbo's bottom. One faithful day, both of them proceed on a journey through the path that intercept at Eshu' square. They met themselves, greeted each other and left for their ways. As they were away from each other at a distance apart, Igun thanked that something for making him bald on head and not bald on bottom like Ajalamagbo. Akalamagbo did the same thanking that something that makes him bald on his bottom and not on head like Igun.


What is being thanked here is the 'something that caused effect - baldness'.

The story emphasis that there is something, cause and effect. Nothingness doesnt exist here.

The story shows if blended to our reality, someone that survived a bomb blast would give thanks to what cause his/her survival.

Something, everything is God whic people thank when condition warrant.