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mcfynest: This is no gaddem astrology, this is faith, Jesus is the son of God, He was born,died n ressurrected after 3 days, he is the Image of the supreme God. No complex theory, very simple and direct!

mcfynest: Did you truly say that @ bolded?

Have you heard/ read of Flavius Josephus and his Antiquities as a history of the Jews Josephus was a jew you know? Ok, let me show you an part of what this respectable historian accross the globe wrote-
At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.

mcfynest: YOU ACTUALLY LOST YOU ARGUMENT WHEN YOU USED THE BIBLE AS A REFERENCE(backup) SO AS TO CONVINCE PEOPLE OF YOUR BELIEF.

Apatheist: Worshippers of our consciousness?
I don't agree with the term "worship"

The basic idea of panpsychism is analogous to pantheism, just replace "god" with "consciousness," so all matter, and by extension, the universe, is conscious.

Apatheist: It is present in a lot of languages.

plaetton: Yes, in astrology, Jesus represents the sun, the sun of God and the light of the world that dies and resurrects every day to give us life and save us from the cold darkness.
Therefore, the bible is the Helios Biblica, the book of the Sun.

the winter solstice which begins on December 21. It is the day of the year when the night is longest and the daytime shortest. The ancient Egyptians noticed that on the autumn equinox, the sun does not set farther south and sets in the same place on the horizon for three days. This is an astrological reference to when the sun (Son) goes down for three days (dies) and then begins to rise again (resurrection). Using the crude instruments available, ancient astronomers were able to detect by December 25th of each year that the daytime had become noticeably longer. This date was chosen, and remains, the traditional date for followers of many different religions to celebrate the "rebirth" of the sun. Following the equinox, each succeeding day has slightly more sunlight than the previous day. It was seen as a promise that warmth would return once more to the Earth.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen13.html

amor4ce: FOLYKAZE, it is actually possible to present your argument effectively without resorting to vitriol. I did not copy the content of any site in my posts on this thread. I never denied that in the beginning of the first creation water covered the earth. If you don't know, the flood was used to end the first creation, and just like in the beginning of the first creation, the second creation started with water covering the surface of the earth. Orishas did not meet water on the earth at the beginning of the first creation when coming from heaven, rather the irunmoles did. I never mentioned that Olodumare created females while Obatala created males, never. What I did mention is that the first human created after the flood was a woman called Eni-bi-eni aka Ninibinini and Olodumare created her. I never mentioned that Eni-bi-eni refers to females. Finally, there are 200 irunmole to the left, 200 irunmole to the right, and 400 + 1 that shuttle between heaven and earth of which Obatala (aka Orishan'la) is the undisputed leader, not Olorun..

It seems you so much hate my guts that you let that hatred cloud your thinking and make you blind to your hypocrisy.

macof, he who knows not that he knows not is a .... Look inwards first before trying to condemn me. You have a 'history" on this forum.

Apatheist: The bolded is Anthropomorphism and it is present in religion

plaetton: He he he.
Ya, we can say that perhaps god is that one and only electron, and negative charge of the electron can be likened to the holy spirit.
But there is no room for a Jesus in this quantum theory of god.

Apatheist: Quantum mechanics sounds like religion!

Apatheist: OP let me see if I understand your point.

Orisha: Consciousness?
Bo : Interaction/communication?

Aborisha: Communication with (our) consciousness?

It seems this philosophy has roots in--or influences -- Solipsism

Ghost01: One of my favourite quote from Kemetic literature is: "know thyself, know nature." This is similar with Ifa's explanation of human consciousness. Pertaining to the human brain, we'd both be deluding ourselves if we choose to submit that modern science has contributed less to the study of the human brain, compared to, maybe, ifa. Ifa focuses more on the mind, science is concerned with every-every. And whats more: science is continually a work in progress.

Ghost01: And yes, we are all Aborishas. We all nourish one "consciousness" or the other, seeing as we are social beings. Ina kwana!

biafranqueen: Why dont you have something better to do then judge if I am judging. What makes it your business. Judaism is not from Europe and nothing like Jew in the bible anyway you really need to chill out with the name calling it shows you are not very educated, mature and have low self esteem you can try and have an intelligent conversation with out name calling.

Like I pointed out the original base of the Abrahamic laws started in Africa take it how you want it. Some Biafrans think they are jews some people in south Africa claiming jews. Judaism is a religion not a race, most people don't get it. Me into war if you really know me and how I was even arrested in anti war rally in Westwood California at the VA. I am against war and destruction and not by mouth like you but I take action if you were my facebook friend like some others on NL you would know I am always posting about the military industry and the wickedness of war I would love for you to show me where I posted glorifying war on NL.

BTW what is marrying have to do with my post a married woman is having an affair with a married/divorced Pastor. Thousands of people think he is delivering the message of God. I took it upon myself to expose the hypocrisy to my gullible people that these pastors are just fake and milking them dry. If he was a poli-thief messing with Bode's wife who cares but this is a man that is suppose to be upholding moral values.

Ghost01: And isn't it a little too extreme to dismiss what you clearly don't get as 'wrong'? Say what you will, the ancient ancients never thought of stars as centres of solar systems, if available literature is anything to go by. Ire o!

Ghost01: Hate? What's to hate in ancient beliefs and practices? They tell our story.

Ghost01: You cannot talk consciousness and universality in the context of Yoruba (traditional) spirituality and hope to include Ganymede or TrES-4 in the plot. That will be the same as a modern xtian trying to equate the talking snake in the biblical story of creation with metaphors. When the plot of the basics of Yoruba spirituality was being woven, through history, experiences, migrations, culture-meets, etc, the knowlege of heavenly bodies beyond what is narrated in the many literatures was almost non-existent.

Ghost01: @FOLYKAZE There is one of those Oju Odu's that speaks about ori being the most superior of the orishas, at least in the context in which the story - a particular one - was told. Pertaining to spirituality and religion, the lines are blurred more often than not. It's not always black and white. Before the advent of popular monotheism, the belief systems were, I believe, considered as 'spiritualities' (I dunno if you get my meaning).

Ghost01: You've made a very valid point, especially as pertains to the nourishment of selected consciousness(es) in the universe. However, you argument falls within the same sphere as religion: that humans are the centre - most important - of universal entities, as evident in your veneration of 'ori'. I am an atheist, and I am a Yoruba boy. I cannot relate with the middle-eastern religions, but I'm always at home with the doctrines of Yoruba spirituality. We are creatures of the earth; the universe is far bigger.

Nourishment is central to our wellbeing on all levels, but we most commonly think of it in terms of food. For instance, we think of nourishing meals and the good feelings they evoke. But nourishment goes much deeper as well. Every living thing in the universe seeks nourishment in various forms and on various levels.

Nourishment as Giving and Receiving

All of us are constantly exchanging energy with our environments – taking things in that nourish us, and giving things out that nourish others. In countless different ways, we are all linked in a vast and deeply interconnected web of giving and receiving. For instance, during every in-breath we receive oxygen from the plant kingdom, and during every out-breath we give to this kingdom carbon dioxide in return. In the process both plants and humans are mutually nourished by one another. Seen in this light, nourishment is intimately connected to the principles of giving and receiving.

At each level of our multi-dimensional makeup, the need for nourishment plays itself out in a dynamic process of giving and receiving. For instance, we seek nourishment through touch, through companionship and relationships, through our work and service, as well as emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually. Each level that we exist and operate on has its own need for nourishment – its own need to give and receive.

amor4ce: PAGAN 9JA and macof, I never made reference to any abrahamic concept in my original post which is basically about reincarnation that is vehemently denied by the abrahamic religions. It is because of your irrational bias that you keep accusing me of such. The story global flood is mentioned in Ifa and was not brought to us by the abrahamic missionaries. I hope you are aware that other non-abrahamic peoples also know of this flood.
FOLYKAZE, go and ask any competent babalawo about Eni-bi-eni. How do you think matriarchal societies came about? The link in my original post is of THE CREATION STORY as narrated by the Chairman, Ethics and Scriptures, International Council for Ifa Religion. Why don't you contact him instead and tell him that he doesn't know what he is doing. I also hope you are aware that apart from the 801 irunmoles there are higher irunmoles. I also never mentioned that Eniyan is the same "thing" as Iwa but that they are appellations of the same person. Even those who practice Lucumi and Santeria know this very well.

PAGAN9JA: I agree. amor4ace topics on Traditional Religion should neve be encouraged and allowed on frontpage.

The guy is clearly trying to equate Yoruba religion with abrahamic concepts.

amor4ace is a christian agent in disguise.


Orishas are GODS not humans.

There is no floods and the first humans were not created in this manner.

Evolution occured and Creation myths are meant to explain the beginings of a tribe only.

These are stories not to be taken literally.

Next Thread.

davidylan: so in short, we've just got a bunch of confused souls here? Ok.

biafranqueen: This is another example of ignorance and self-hate^^^^ it is my business if I make it to expose corruption at all levels. If it is in the Governors House or supposedly Gods house. This man is constantly making moral judgement in public so he is responsible for his private life to match what he is publicly condemning others. This is about how he is spending gullible Nigerians money corruptions at all levels is to be exposed and not covered up with fake so called believers like yourself. Look at you why so bitter, you stand for nothing that is why you fall for anything. Not all Biafrans claim to be lost Jews. Biafra is a state of mind and if you know anything about the Kabbalah and Traditional Igbo Spiritual Tradition you will know to stop being a hater. New Biafran Youth is about development of Igboland and we are also here to inform the people and give them information. Stop giving tithes to crooks and give to your community.

If you don't like the topic you can always stop commenting it is not by force.