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vicchi12: My God didn't order anyone. Men like you, ordered it. Don't get it twisted. My Jesus preached peace, flesh tried the corrupt it, but it ain't gonn happen.. Understood! Sup with ppl trying to score cheap point by all means today? hmmmm!

Dont let me expose and disgrace you my lady. Your religion is more demonic than you think. . . .let me just open your whitewashed brain.

Your God ordered killing. . . .Ex 32:27

Jesus did not preach love. He asked you to HATE your parent, husband, in-laws and neighbours. . . . .Luke 14:26.

Jesus said openly that he did not come for PEACE. . .Matthew 10:34

Now can you see how dumb and foolish you are? Stop these lies or I expose more of your cowardice.

vicchi12: True, they also behead people.. Talking about giving back to the society

Stop been coward and lies monger.

Dont let me expose your religion on how they killed many people for rituals. This is carried out by both foreign religion. Why must you accussed Isese and turn blind to your devilish religion?

vicchi12: .... Are they alive? No, but most worshippers do... So..?? You digg?

Sharrap!

Is your Jesus not dead?

Why are you worshipping carcass of a foreign man?

vicchi12: You think so? Well, emancipate yourself from destruction. From blood suckers. Ok? I don't mind being a slave for my God. My "foreign" God is good to me n for me

Then give the peole their own voice in their land. If you cant, kindly move to the foriegn land of the foreign God and live there as son of nobody. You can move to mecca and israel and see for yourself that you are hated and not known. . . .

MORN DEW: Where were they when wen d whites brought jesus nd mohammed. Why did dey nt resist dem. Nd beside y were dey demanding hard things frm ppl like d left leg of a day old spider. Nd y were there gods brutal toward members. All this made dem lost it.

It is called Tolerance. Yoruba spirituality negates brutal resistance. We dont force religion on people like the missionaries did. The Yroba folks that practise foreign religion still go tradition in their various home. And dont be blinded by the media popularity of your religion, underg, we are all Aborisha.

And which Gods are you reffering to as brutal? You mean Allah that kill people all days through his foot soldiers or Jehovah that orders the killing of unbelievers which came up to become crusade? Brutality isnt part Isese, you can check for that in your both foreighn religion.

PAGAN 9JA:
No and Yes. I was referring to a complete abhorration and lack of knowledge/association with traditional beliefs or spirituality. However atheism can be considered another extreme end. It has completely different side-effects. But it does have effects.

btw sorry for not replying to the Sango thread. I decided to keep the reply for a spare time when I could go through the entire thread before I spoke out of place. However when the free times came I just never remembered. If you still want any opinion on any matter let me know as I'm more free these days.

well most important part on that thread had been sweeped away after the attack on the forum.

I cant say specifically if the thread would be awaken or another one created by reyginus.

It is a good thread to be. . . .thanks

PAGAN 9JA:
Syncretism is not necessary in this age. It is better to keep Traditional Religion as pure as possible, before we can attempt to develop it.

However, syncretism is certainly better than nothing at all (pure fanaticism) .


This Pastorlawo is actually a clever man.

lol at nothing at all. . .are you referring to atheists?

Syncretism as it is been employed into the Yoruba system of belief encourage love and tolerance. I think this is the reason the Yrouba people would ever be the most tolerant people when ir comes to religion or belief.

The new generational christians and muslims can learn alot from this.

mmsen: The word "supernatural is attributed to" - then the definition. That should be apparent to anyone who is versed in the English language.

For someone with such a poor grasp of the language you certainly make use of a lot of words.

As to your claim that god is "Abrahamically" defined...that is both amusing and disturbing. We have evidence of people creating gods long before the story of Abraham. Judaism is simply a continuation of the various of myths of that locality.

I hear people from Nigeria continuously talking about 'illiterates' and my grandfather has told me tales of the legions of unemployable graduates but without this message board I would not be aware of how bad the problem currently is.

It hurts. . . . .the truth no matter the language and ways it is said.

Lol

mmsen: 1. I stated that he was incomprehensible (which he is).

2. He claimed that he had a better grasp of English and a better definition of the word "supernatural" than those who compile the dictionaries - anyone who has followed this thread can see that such a claim is laughable. I now see that he has added his own definition courtesy of google (which would in turn be courtesy of a dictionary), this reinforces point 1.

Stop proving innocence that does not exist as far you are concerned in this discussion.

You came in an attempt to answer the question I directed at Weah96. The question you provided is incomplete, full of flaws and fails to fix in; that is wrong. Attached as your signatory is an insult (calling me ignorant) on my person and not my message as there is no engagement between us. When actually you did not know my own opinion on what you presented, insulting me straightaway and again concluding I am not being comprehendible points out torchwave's conclusion. . . .if not for all atheist but you in particular.

Your answer "Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces."

is incomplete because you failed to tell us what is been attributed.

Is full of flaws because practically, herbs made by the locals are regarded as having supernatural potentials. Very few or educated locals would consider herbs/concortion as medicinal science.

Another flaws in there pops up when locals among the yorubas claim Ogun is the moulder of bone. They are attributing bone to supernatural being.

Now let me showcase the flaws. . . .Herbs/concortion are perceived supernatural mixture; it potentials are aslo attributed to supernatural powers. Are you then going to say what the locals attributed to super powers really is supernatural? Herbs is herd, concortion is chemical mixture. . . Both natural processes are attributed to supernaturals. . . .

Moulder of bone is Ogun - supernatural god of Iron.

Literally, Ogun is personification of anything metalic because the ancient tends to view natural element as person or Gods.

Science claim calcium builds bone.

Calcium is metalic chemical element.

Then we can conclude that Calcium is personified as Ogun with supernatural attibutes.

Therefore the supernatural claim that Ogun is the maker of bone is right. There is nothing like deying nature or attributes toward a power that violate, transend and go beyond natural law in the equation. In the real sense, calcium, Ogun and the process of building bone is plain natural process. . . .

How then can you say a natural process is having attribute to supernatural beings, power and influences and defies, transend, violate and go beyond the natural law? Can you now see the flaws?


- fails to fix in because supernatural is a natural process which are unexplanable scientifically yet and which are attributed to Spirits or Gods. Spirits and Gods here are not monsters living behind the wind but natural energies that made up the universe and the universe itself.

A transcension of natural laws and nature cannot fit into a natural process. Therefore your definition is wrong and not fitting in.



The reason I refused to accept dictionary, God is a word abrahamically defined. . . . Is Christianity, Islam and Judaism the only faith using the word God? Has your dictionary look beyond this faith and it definition? Even though I cant dispute the fact that it is inputted by scholars, this minor error of not covering what God is outside Abrahamic concept should make me reject it just like the incomplete definition you posted.

Liveair definition contains lot of rationality. Even there are more to it from the way I defined mine. . . .I still give kudos to him for his token.

Why have you refused to be objective with the view of opinions? Must you insult me before giving in your own opinion?

If you try to get me wrong, why didnt you ask for more expression?

I rejected your argument, did you ask me for reasons and what brought me to that conclusion?

You can continue with picking grammatical errors; you are very much good at that. . . .but judging from your little inputs on this thread, you are empty and like you described me all together, the insult is much on you you.

torchwave: You know, syntax and sentence construction is not a yardstick of experience and knowledge.

When you begin to pick apart a person's sentence to ridicule him, it suggests you have nothing important to say, therefore, there's nothing you new you have to offer as far as the topic of discussion is concerned. Rather than employ your time and effort in puerile attempts at argument, it were better you said nothing to save the little respect you have left in the eyes of observers.

So typical of atheists. They never fall short of the expectation to turn any peaceful forum of discussion into a battlefield of bloodless verbal war.

It is very difficult to find a thread of discussion in this section that is devoid of verbal clashes when atheists are present. If this is how so-called intelligent folks express their opinion, I'd rather be listening to the cacophony of less intelligent species. At least, cacophony of animals is preferable to needless, unprovoked, pointless, noisy and irritating verbal exchanges by teenage adults.

Sire. . . .salute for stating the obvious

jayriginal: See here.

I think the premises im locked in is understanding what you mean by knowledge. I perceive it as knowing how to practicalise it.

I will like to know the premises the word 'knowledge' covers in your statement.

beejaay: i can see u are rili rili working on your e-anger...the Foly i knew would have busted before

He can never be predicted.

Weah96: Your problem is language comprehension, I swear. First, are you referring to my definition or the one you just copied from Google? Because in mine, I included the word "seemingly" and the poster who followed included "seems." Fair minded observers here can see the immense difference between what I wrote and what you're writing. To answer your silly question, that IS the meaning of supernatural. The minute you understand how it's possible, it then ceases to be labelled as supernatural.

Guy I have a little time to spend here so I wont say much.

If all you could capitalize on is the grammatical errors, then I have to quit on you. If you cant understand me, therefore I have to agree ywe aint communicating. . . .

I still cant find how the word 'seemingly or seems' affects your definition or better explain how it does affect it.

My question is silly? Your answer is silly too. . . .the joke is on you.

Now you have been trying to shift post from defying to understanding of natural principles.

Explain to me how defying equates to understanding pls. Or better still explain your statement 'defy nature or natural laws'; and explain the natural processes some people attributes to supernatural force implies the natural process violating or defying nature or natural laws.

beejaay: u define God as natural forces!!!!!!!
why not supernaturalforces instead of natural forces and why not supernaturalistic pantheism instead of naturalistic pantheism...

the point is your definition of God didnt even recognize anything super.... just because we cant explain something now doesn't makes it super, it only means we are ignorant of it now

or will u say prof. Pela is a super human just becuase he performed magic which i dont understand how and cant do it myself

Gut stop this joke abeg. . . .you only want to pull my legs

beejaay: must everyone go by your definition if not then the ground is not cleared...

Lol . . .you still dey watch?

Analyze my definition and show me where it wrong. Then we can proceed. Hence, I don finish my case.

The source of supernaturals is God (defined as natural forces, energy and forces; from the naturalistic pantheism angle).

I don finish. . . .objection or make I waka?

jayriginal: I would gladly do so if I were jobless enough to go scouring through all your posts.

Be honest with yourself jare.

And this is not even about you being a practitioner, I never said that. I said "claimed to have knowledge" or are you teaching what you dont know here?
https://www.nairaland.com/1486568/plain-concept-eledumare-orisas-reality

You and ghost are fans only. You issue challenges without certainty.

To mean knowing what an Orisha is and what they are depicted to be?

This is something you can get from books. I dont know why you emphasised on this.

Can you pls express yourself so that I can understand you better?

Liveair: Hey! weah96 and FOLYKAZE, i suppose the op's intention for this thread was for robust discuss, not these person bashings.
Pls, lets all enjoy this thread.

The ground is already cleared. There is nothing to discuss here when I have defined supernatural and God.

The whole thing is locked. Only that some folks what to see things other way round. The so-called atheist that can not define God which they disbelieve in or define what supernatural is but dispute it even without knowing what it is.

If you have questions ask pls.

jayriginal: You havent?

Really?

I asked you to show me.

Weah96: Go on... I'm all ears. Is this the end of the story? SMH. WTF happened to the patient after the doctor referred him to the traditional healer? That's the most important part which you conveniently omitted here. Did the patient die in the care of the traditional healer or something?

How is that your problem?

I asked you to define supernatural and you are yet to provide a meaningful definition.

Weah96: In the spirit of being a)nal, pedantic, and rude, did you mean to type "a phenomena" or is that another typo? If you could only retrieve your head out of your colon, you would notice that I never said the bolded. I included the word "seemingly" which is not an absolute affirmation like your pea brain interprets it to be. The definition you embrace is incorrect. There are lots of things which aren't understood by observers, yet not all can be considered supernatural. An example would be people who pick their nostrils and eat the boogers. I don't understand it, and neither does the scientific community. Can we assume that eating boogers is a supernatural occurrence? In order for something to be considered SUPER-natural (prefix super means ABOVE or BEYOND in English), it would have to exhibit elements that appear to defy natural laws. GTFOH.

This is not an English class bro.

What matters here is understanding the message I am trying to pass across.

And if you are all about picking grammatical errors, you can start the game with someone else but not me.



This is a definition from google

su·per·nat·u·ral - /ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
adjective

1. (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.


I personally defined supetnatural as a term used to describe a phenomenon which are unexplanable scientifically yet and which are attributed to Spirits or Gods. God and spirits are simply natural forces, elements and energies personified.


Now ask yourself this simple question. . . .Hw can something that dey natural law manifest in the natural plain?

Apatheist: By professional you mean Nigerian?

Yes

jayriginal: folykaze and ghost,

repeatedly on this forum you have claimed to have knowledge of traditional religion but it is becoming clear that you guys are no experts, you are merely fans.

Where did I claim to have knowledge of Traditional religion?

Show me pls. . . .

And even on Orisha stuff, I havent cliam here anywhere to be practitioner. . . .practising is different from adhering it.

torchwave: Choi. Atheists are really suffering.

Even doctors sometimes are faced with cases that are medically and scientifically impossible, things that are beyond their scope of knowledge to which they can never offer any form of diagnosis or solution because things of that nature are never taught in science or schools.

Chai! Atheists! Atheists!!

Truth be told. . . . .I have witnessed an occassion where a professional doctor asked his patient to seek traditional means of healing. Not even once.

They will call you into their office and ask you to 'ti owo ile bo'.

Spiritualism is a step ahead of science.

Judas2013: Do not eat from the tree of knowledge lest ye risk god's wrath! Nothing new here at all. Basically. knowledge kills god.

Another one here.

Ye are god. . . .that is in the bible referring to man.

Does knowledge kills us?

Your parents, your very self and other consciousness are gods. . . .has knowledge kills you all?

For the main say, why cant you people stop viewing god as depicted by Abrahamic faith?

@Liveair

Thanks for simple and brilliant definition.

Let me add to the definition;

Supernatural is a term use to describe a phenomenon which are unexplanable scientifically yet and which are attributed to Spirits or Gods. . . . .

The issue here is how we define the word Spirir and or God. We have to look away from Abrahamical concept of God and spirit. This is where Naturalistic pantheism which defines God and spirit as natural forces, energies and element.

An example of this supernatural claim appear in tradition concortion and herbs used in African society. They have this medicine with full potential to cure an ailment. Afterall, they cant give explanation on the chemicals contained in the medicine or how it heals the body system. All attibutions are focused on Osanyin the God of herbs and medicine.

And what do we have today, those feltish unexplainable herb of the past called Supernatural are now employed into practical medical science in schools because explanation is appearing.

I see no reason some folks would call this backwardness. They are bent pulling everything down below western science. I dont know why the man that claim he has explanations therefore deny potentials of the unexplanable cant come forward and help in findings. Rather what they can do is rebuke. . . .

Ifyjemila: since you know, i mean what Omainman said about christaininty is onthing but the truth.

alright

Liveair: A SUPERNATURAL event is simply a NATURAL occurence or event that is not understood by the observer.
wheah96 and mmsen, this is what you should have answered FOLYKAZE.

Big salute to this brain.

mmsen: "Supernation" is not a word.

It's very difficult to follow what you say when your grasp of the language is so poor.

Lol..

Common sense should have made you understand that is a typo error. You can sit on that or face what you asked to do.


What is supernatural?

mmsen: Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.

That's a dictionary definition.

So now you are a greater authority than the body of learned people who congregate to collate English dictionaries...

Are you saying the people dont attribute supernation powers to a natural phenomena?

Dont be this silly.


The same dictionary you ran to that cant provide definition of the word God/god outside Abrahamic conception.


Define SUPERNATURAL. That is what I asked of you and not Dictionary meaning defence that is full of flaws. Afterall I have shown you this flaws. . . .get me something meaningful or admit you dont know.

Ifyjemila: you know na.

My dear I dont know.

I cant remember when I visited this section or how I got here.