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Apatheist: Says who? Do you have empirical proof that energy is conscious?

It react which is evident in it transformation.

Apatheist: The chair you're sitting on is aware that it's being sat on? The ground you step on is not aware. It may "react" in the sense of wear and tear but that's indirect and caused by friction.

If it is not aware, it cannot react.

Apatheist: veneration does not mean observation, my friend. I might be observing poo, but that doesn't mean I'm venerating it.

Giving much attention to poo is veneration.

Apatheist: Empirical proof. All you've posted is merely conjecture.

It is conjecture that everyhting is energy?

It is conjecture that everything interact with it surrouding?

Stop the joke

Apatheist: And awareness is not a mental activity?

Do I need to help you with the defintion of AWARENESS?

Soda reacts to Vingar because it is aware of Vingar and recognise that it is not salt so it react to vingar in the way of vingar and not salt.

Therefore that mental activity is mere chemical reaction. No speciality
Hope I don clear you?

Apatheist: You claim that everything is conscious;ergo, everything is god. Are furniture conscious? If they are they are God.

A furniture is a transformation from tree which is conscious.

Therefore it is conscious becuase it is a condensed energy which we can interact with.

We didnt create furniture because we cant make wood. We transform it. Energy will not be ever created which matter, furniture is made up of.

Apatheist: Yes, everyone. In this regard, I am solipsist. Everyone is a product of your personal consciousness; only your consciousness exists. Everything else is a product of it. How do I confirm that you see the color blue the same way I do? For all I know you, my parents, and everyone in the world is not real, but products of my consciousness - although it baffles me why my consciousness will create stupid people.

pls can we do away with insult and discuss like men?

All I see here you wrote about consciousness is mere Sentience which is an Illusion.

Sentience comes from a awareness and reaction between different neurons. So far, it is an illusion.

Apatheist: The same way he created everything else - - via his consciousness. Or rather, his consciousness created it.

we are not creating, we are transforming becuase we are aware of a raw product and we are reacting to it thereby causing trans-formation.

Matters are energy condensed. You cannot create energy but aids it transformation.

Maybe you can explain how energy can be created pls

Apatheist: Do animals experience consciousness?
Do tables and chairs?

Consciousness is a purely human construct - - as far as we know.

Consciousness is being aware and reacting.

Those mental activity you called consciousness is simply chemical reaction and nothing more. This I call illusion.

Apatheist: I meant who your god is. You say you know.

I said we know our Gods. We are not believing.

My god is Orisha

Apatheist: Your conclusion of Aborisha can only be true if your premises are.
1) That everything possesses consciousness - - can't be proven or disproven.
2)we all worship/venerate consciousness of others/the world. The veracity of this is contingent on the first premise-- which can't be proven.

Everything is Energy. And energy is conscious. Being Conscious mean aware and reacting. It is obvious that things are reacting which everything builts of energy is.

What prove do you want to note = energy is everything and it aware and react?

Secondly, I defined veneration as interaction through givrn more observance.

I used the saying; Ori eni lababo, aba fi orisha sile. This tend to mean knowing thyself.

What prove are you looking for?

Apatheist: Man made all the gods.
Whether na capital or small letter.

God is a consciousness.

Where did get the info that man created consciousness?

Apatheist: The same person that made the one you worship: man.

A friend on facebook on told me for anything to be God, it must be conscious. And for good chances, I will like to ask you, has man created a living conscious and natural being once?

So why did you conclude man created God?

Apatheist: who/what exactly?

I, the person you were referring; I mean quoted and the extended family we belong to.

Apatheist: I gave conditions...

That?

You make me laugh.

Rossikki: There are really no such things as 'gods'. A being is only a 'god' to less powerful or advanced beings. A cat would probably consider men as gods.

The most sensible post on this thread so far.

At least someone took a step defining what God is. . .

Apatheist: Yes, your ancestors made their Gods, the Jews made their own gods. Every god was influenced by other cultures and other gods,except most of sub-Saharan Africa because we evolved/lived in isolation.

Every culture has its own god it uses to explain things it does not know.

The Argument From Locality:
Argument from Locality runs as follows. Every religion currently being practiced on this planet, as well as every past religion which no longer has followers, has a definite, discernible origin in time and space. Even if the exact beginnings of a religion are murky, that religion still originated in a definite area and in a definite time period.

However, I argue that any god or gods which existed and which desired to reveal themselves to humanity would not do this – they would not provide a revelation to only one culture, at one time, in one place. There are several good reasons to believe this, and if it holds, then any religion which did have only a single point of origin cannot possibly be true. In short: The fact that all religions originated in one specific culture, at one specific time and place, points strongly to their being the product of that culture, time and place – and not the product of divine revelation."

How come your Jesus never revealed himself to your ancestors? All of them will go to "hell" because they didn't believe in him.

This atheist guys sha, na wa o


Let us know if the bold is true. . . .we shall know who is making true/fasle claims.


Iyale or Iya-ile is a Goddess in Yoruba spirituality. She is popularly know as Mother Nature or Mother Earth in the greek culture which is Nature in the real sense.

Did Man or Our ancestors created nature/earth?

Apatheist: Explain?

We dont believe in God. . . . .we know our God.


My atheistic Aborisha. . . .how far?

Oh no, this is the season I travel round for festivals. I am currently in a town where IIWO is being celebrated. As for Ijebu, Agemo can only draw me there. There is no reason directing you, we can have the show together.

As for now, make I dey enjoy my festival and look forward for OGUN day.

collynzo2: You see how senseless you are?
So what did the authorities do wrong?

Pls if you cannot do without insulting me, it will be better I ignore you.

I didnt say they did anything wrong and stop forcing words to my mouth.

The fact is, she was arrested. I am not against her arrest as nobody is above the law, what I am against is cheap lies. We know that is what the defence headquarter is good for.

collynzo2: What lies? Why will they arrest her just to release her immediately and allow her to fly out? Does it make sense?
The whole shît is obviously a publicity stunt from an attention seeking liar desperate to tarnish the image of the government.

She was released because there is nothing the fedora hat kingpin can robe round her

PDP feeding us with lies since 1999

macof: The Abrahamic God should know better than let tragedy befall his children for no reason.

Afterall he is all loving, holy and pure...I wonder what's happening to this God because the universe doesn't portray should a creator like jehovah or Allah

Guy how far?

I am a functional atheist.

Oduduwaboy: Hmm....in a way we do agree. It was only our different definitions of god that were different! I must confess when talking about the non-existence of god , i'd always assumed it should be undetstood in the light of the conscious, christian god. About the orishas? well let me leave that for now.

Is atheism about disbelieve in Christian God?

I am off

Egift

if this thread does not make it to front page, lets take the publication to twitter. We can post it on the official president and his aids page.

Lets create hashtag. . . . . .


Enough of this daylight robbery by the foreigners

Ya all can fight.

I am here to learn

It is vis-versa case. To the God, disbelieving is worse that killing in the name of God. To us human, killing in the name of God is worse than disbelieving in the name of God.

1. Disbelieving in a God is worse because it would gradually lead to non existence of God. God live because we believe in Him. . .and when that believe stop, we killed the mighty God and he will die slowly and painfully. Disbelieving in God is worse than killing in God name to God because he instruted killing in his name. You have the right to kill non-believers as ordained in the bible which is God inspiration. The killing varies to person, group and time. You can stone non-believerd to death, strike them with sword, smash babies head on rocks, rippen womd open with sword. In this generation, Jesus encouraged us to get for ourselves sword and should wage war with non-believers because he came not for peace. At the end of time, he will come like a theif on the chariot of horse in the cloud singing the song of war. This would be the time he and his disciples would be killing in the name of the God. So much God want killing in his name, Disbelieving in him which would cause his death is worse.

2. To us human, killing in the name of God is worse that disbelieving in the name of God. Morally, Killing is wrong except in cases like self defence or profession. And I dont think the OP would be happy if I kill all his family members because of one sky daddy. . . .we humans woud prefare disbelieving in God than killing in his name. Afterall, atheism doesnot hurt you physically. Christian militants bomb and maim here and there causing the loose of live. Islamic militant bomb now and then. But atheist militant would blow the delusion you programmed with out of you. We are alll bombers and blowers. . .the only difference is physical assault and intellectual assault.

Oduduwaboy: In the real Christian context there is only one God . Others are referred to as gods . Though to me the case of the first letter does not really make a difference.
If a believe in superman was as prevalent as that in God, i possibly would also write to hold it up for what it is ------ rubbish .
Anyway , how is the worship of gods in the African traditional religion going with you? Thanks for your observations sha !

When you choose to delude yourself with the christian God, then I dont think you can ever see the reality of life outside christianity.

And stop telling me other Gods are spell with the small case (g). This is wrong and showed that you have know little about what you criticized.

Why wont the believe in superman be prevalent? My sister that believe in him was programmed to believe it like everyone believe in God. There are lot of children that love the superman and wish to walk in line with him. They believe he can save the world but this only happen in the movies. . . .and you have not seen any rational person going round that Superman does not exist. Same goes for God which is a mere label. . . .I dont know how label becomes a thing we got furious to when tragedy happens.

Lets take this good example, The Jains view God as the Universe itself, would you tell the Jains you dont believe in God when you know the word God is just a label describing the entire universe? To the naturalistic pantheist, God is natural elements in the universe and the universe itself. Would face the adherent of this view that God do not exist? Will it even sound reasonable to mention such a statement?

Coming down on good and evil attached to the God which you have addressed in your OP. It is nothing new as we have found such a situation in the bible where the faithful one asked GOD why he was left unattended to in time of crisis. One thing nature has shown us is that life is not always smooth. . . .there is no where life teaches ever Joy or sorrow. So lets take this God called mother nature which is a label or personification of nature or earth, would you like you post here question God called Mother nature when tragedy or evil occur? If you do and find out that the Mother Nature is Nature or Earth itself, would you conclude you make any sense? We live in earth and it is view as God, why cant you let the label God be so that you can direct your querry to Planet Earth?


I am not worshipping African Gods. I am taking my time to understand what Orisha is. . . . . I am on about knowledge and not faith or believe.

Oduduwaboy: How can i mock God? this small me. If He truly exists i will actually worship him with all my being . Alas ! he does not exist based on evidence . The tragedies serve to bring into a bold relief the ridiclousness of Faith in a ' non-existent ' God .

Yeah, you keep creating threads upon threads on something you knew that does not exist. Isnt this sensible to you?

Why didnt you go on creating thread asking for the evidence of superman because my younger sister believes that character is her hero, she even wish to be a guy so that she can help the world through super-powers. Afterall my sister believe and you disbelieve in superman. You can as well create a thread and question why he didnt save the malaysian plane crash. Or you can wait till another tragedy surface and create this thread. I dont just know who is sensible between the person that cry in the public when tragedy happens that God do not exist AND the person that belief ignorantly there is someone called God that would save him like superman.


Can you prove that God do not exist? 'God' is just a label which we all know, why would a rational person take concern for a label? Why would someone wake up only when there is a tragedy to shout a label does not exist? Why do you show much concern in something that do not exist? If something do not exist, where did you get 'omni' attributes you attached to it? Are you the one daydreaming or the God you are trying to mock?

Yeah right, the bible you are quick to pick on when God come in play refer to we human as God. Is your own parents, people, friends, mentors and self taking the label of God not existing? Inside the same bible, those that have dominions and authority to rule others are refered to as Gods. Does that mean your political leaders do not exist? Why cant you cry to those Gods for their failure not saving the crash being executed mistakenly by some Gods?

Sometime, I do think atheist are rational than the religion ones are. . . .well I am right and wrong. Some are, some are not. If you can create threads to mock 'non existing label', then you know where you belong.

I still cant find how God comes in here. Are you counting for a tragedy to surface so that you can mock 'God'?

macof: Lol Christians and muslims don't know They worship Aje.

Let me see them nt work for Money

I recently heard a Muslim greet "eku ora Aje"
That is welldone with the work of Aje, the God of wealth, trade and business.
I laughed that this same nigger would curse Aje later.

What I call ignorance.


The christian and muslim would also greet themselves, se Aje wa, Aje a wa o, Aje a wogba sele or se e raje. Meaning has the god of wealth come?, The god of wealth would come, The god of wealth would turn the stock to it abode OR have you seen the god of wealth?


There was a day I heard a pastor praying in a naming ceremony. He said 'agan a te owo ala bo'sun' meaning the barren would put their bright hands into Osun. Osun is the Goddess of fertility. And the saying mean the barren would put to bed.


Thses are the set of people you would see in the church and mosque insulting Orisha.

GooseBaba: Hmmmm....I once told my mum that I'm my own Orisha.. The woman shout.. "GOD FORBID. " so I rephrased my statement. That my "Ori" is superior to any deity. Without my Ori there is no consciousness of being spiritual/physical. Therefore, being an "Aborisha" in the physical sum of things is looking for trouble.

I say this with the verse understanding that Ogun, Sango, Olukun are regarded as Orishas. To then call myself an Aborisha is setting myself up for unwarranted spiritual testing in the fourth realm... because the Gods could care less, but man will always want proof and set forth his inquisitive ways that might lead to bad bad bad things.. You get me..

With my Ori I exist, with my Ori I connect with my spirit/mind/soul. With my Ori I connect with my body/physical self. I nourish myself with my ability to understand my reality, needs and self preservation.

Therefore, my Ori tells me to leave "Abo" and "Sha" to the Gods... in pronunciation. But in practice I have no choice..

Ti Orisha o ba gbe ni, a pa ti ni. . .meaning if an Orisha is not favouring you, just negate it. There is no wahala.


It is even said that 'Ori eni la bo, aba fi Orisha sile: meaning we should have venerated our Ori leaving alone the Orisha.


Good you admit you are Aborisha in practise.

Orisha system is a way of life. . . . .

JustCalMeDBoss: I just hate God

Hatheist. We know ya

Apatheist: How do you hate something that doesn't exist?

This is another thing that shows you atheist are . . . .


To the Jains, God is the universe itself. Can you then say God is not existing?

To the Aborisha, your friend, mouth, parents and your self are Gods. Does that mean your parents, mouth, friends and self do nt exist?


I bow for this your thinking o

GooseBaba: I'm a little bit confused on this "Aje" things...

Is Orisha Aje = witch

Or good market..?

Or is it by pronunciation or context...

Aje pronouce A-jel is witch

Aje pronounce A-jay is wealth

Apatheist: Not worship per se, unless respect and honor is what you mean by worship?

It is still the same thing, use any meaning or synonmy you like.

Apatheist: I have read the article. It seems Panpsychim is anthropomorphism applied to everything. I still maintain it has roots in solipsism.

Ok.

Apatheist: You used "Gods" to represent consciousness; you explained it with "Orisha"
This was your post:

Next...

You explained worship as veneration.
You said:
While I agree that we have consciousness, I disagree that we venerate it by acknowledging it.

You venerate it by showing reverent love and devotion accorded a deity (heroes), an idol (money or national Identity), or a sacred object.

Apatheist: You also said: I do not agree. Honoring or respecting people is not necessarily veneration.

Veneration means showing great respect.

You got it wrong here.

Apatheist: You also said: You said wealth is God(consciousness) Explain.
People "worshipping" money does not make it conscious. You posit everything is conscious-- including money-- so all consciousness is god? Not everybody holds money in high esteem.

Money, the paper or coin is the Idol representing the God of wealth. Consciousness there that drive and effect us is the value of wealth the paper note carries.

People have 'reverent love' (worship) for money

Apatheist: The same applies here: If you mean "worship" as honor, then I acquiesce.

Actually, you are confusing veneration and worship to bowing down in a shrine. Can you pls help define what worship and veneration is?

mcfynest: Now i get you..... You do not know what the meaning of worship is

Eduate me pls

mcfynest: Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.


This statement says it all.

I cant find Orisha Aje which Jesus claimed people of his days are worshipping here.

Neither you cant deny you worship Orisha Aje. . .

Continue this your confusion