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Deha: So,who fed you this one?
So,which bible said this? I will have to stop here though..I Wont encourage you to keep damaging yourself{soul} with the Words you say{type}...You seem to Know all,yet ur knowledge is full of confusion Within yourself..and that is because,you dont have God in you....But i have told you the way.......
When You get to the Stage of Truthfulness in God,no human doctrine or writing will make you waiver or start doubting yourself in God...Dont bother to quote this post though,i have unfollowed the Thread!

The bold expose you mr. You are a baby christian who read only pastor words.

Nobody fed me....I can grow myself....nobody tell the sun when to come, I can study for knowledge at will. Everything I wrote there is in the bible; your bible. It unfortunately you dont want the truth so you had to run away when it face you.

It is said that the fox pretend to kill the chicken. Now you have been eating.....you dont need to ignore the thread because we learn from each other. I learnt how to wave strong rebut from ya. Lol.

All the same, I love you as my brother. Continue studying and making yourself strong. Cheers man

Deha: There is alwaz a first to everything bro...Sometimes,we seek the Right Things through the Wrong Way,and thats why we dont get the results we desire...
You might be truthfully seeking God,but you are doing it through the Wrong way..Thats What i was trying to tell u,but u thought i was making fun of You....
But i can tell You this though,When You are TOTALLY DETACHED,You don't even need to seek God,God will come to You...
A heart/soul full of creatures{the world} is empty of God..But a soul empty of creatures is bound to be full of God..This is because God is pure and Holy.
Your Soul is like Your eyez..Your eyez only Work properly When it is not in hurt..Imagine a scenario where sand or dirt enters ur eye,for that mean time,u wont c clearly..
Thats how the soul is..Once ur soul is filled with creatures{worldly tinz},it is conformed and does not see clearly..It is only when your soul is totally detached of creatures that it can see clearly,and thats the only time it can come in union with its origin{God}......
Thats why i tell u,once u are Totally Detached,and With this ur zeal to know God,God is bound to come to You....Goodluck.

I know God. I am the microcosm part God.....we are all one infinite mind.

Those are what I decipher from Ifa. Cheers bro

macof: If u understood. Ifa would deal with the Ori of the player, and give messages relating to his nearest future. It's left for the player to realize if the message constitutes a favorable outcome or not

My dear brother. I dont like arguing with you much because I have little knowledge about Ifa and Orisa.

I have seen omo awo playing baba-ijebu and I asked him why he is still poor despite consulting Ifa. He made me realised that Ifa is not for gamble but for Ori.

You have concluded above that it can apply for player's ori but you never show me how it work for nairabet.

Also, I understand Ifa is infinite. Some babalawo might predict scores (win or lose), some might predict the condition of the game (injury and fatality) while some may predict exact score. I think it depend on the level of understanding and how person can interpret Odu.

Imagine a priest here telling me understanding and interpreting Odu will take me 8yrs and above.....he stated that it quatum and deep. So I think those that can interprete will do prediction though it doesn't worth it when there are good project to do. Odudua need Oro and ritual sacrifices not nairabet prediction.

Oduduwaboy: Its now very clear that the Christians have only the bible to back up their God ...they totally reject reason and the written works of History .

Any attempt to engage them in logical arguments is bound to fail as it will only result in going round in circles . This once more highlights the fact that REASON and FAITH will almost always be diametrically opposed .

I look forward to the day Africa will be free from the mental suppression/oppression of foreign religions.....only then shall Black Africa truely come of age .

@Folykaze thanks for the beautiful thread; with people like you around , there is still hope for Africa and Nigeria !

thank you bro.

Even the bible some christians are reading are diluted one. Most of the read their pastor sermon and not the scripture. Critical study of the bible make me reject my faith. I work with different versions when studying it. I have always challenge christian to study their bible on their own if they want the truth.

@ Deha.....you have been going smoothly in circle without bringing up bible....this is the second time I school you on your ignorant babble. I wish you can go home and read the cooked lie before coming on forum like this. And dont dare call Orisa Idol again only if you want me to prove your God is an Idol too. I back my things with your bible.....you can dare kaze but remember world war 2, he is a dangerous baby. Lol.

macof: Guy Ifa really works o, and Yes! It can predict match scores.
It could happen like this
When a player consults Ifa before a match, Ifa would reveal the players immediate future, if he would suffer a terrible injury or be the cause of his teams loss or win.

It's left for the player to decipher the message and realize the prediction of Ifa

Ifa deals with Ori not gamble.

Deha: Nah.....Wrong bro!!
"There are many 'gods',but one God"......
If there were many Gods in the bible you read,then we definitely read different Bibles....
On a more Factual note,quote where you saw in the Bible that there are Many Gods?

You got it wrong bro. I think you confused on capitalization of (G) god. It still the same bro.

Let roll bro......you need to fully understand that God is nobody's name but a title which got it origin from Germany. So it is not a proper noun unless it directed as representation for a particular being. So instead of clearing on capitalization, why cant you call your God by his name?

The word God in the bible was translated from hebrew word 'Elohim'.

Elohim

Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים ( is a grammatically singular or plural nounfor "god" or "gods" in both modern and ancient Hebrew language.

When used with singular verbs and adjectives elohim is usually singular, "god" or especially, the God. When used with plural verbs and adjectives elohim is usually plural, "gods" or "powers". [ 1 ] [ 2 ] It is generally thought that Elohim is a formation from eloah, the latter being an expanded form of the Northwest Semitic noun il(אֵל, ʾēl [ 3 ]).

It is usually translated as " God" in the Hebrew Bible, referring with singular verbs both to the one God of Israel, and also in a few examples to other singular pagan deities. With plural verbs the word is also used as a true plural with the meaning "gods". [ 3 ]The related nouns eloah(אלוה) and el(אֵל) are used as proper names or as generics, in which case they are interchangeable with elohim.

The above is etymological evidence.
Let me show you God/gods are the same with different bible version.

Exodus 22:28
King James Version (KJV)

28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

Exodus 22:28
Revised Standard Version (RSV)

28 “You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler of your people.

Exodus 22:28
- King James Version (1611)

¶ Thou shalt not reuile the Gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

In the same verse, chapter and book from different version, we got different personalites according from you? The case here is either the bible contain lies or God/gods are same thing.....and can you see the bold in kjv 1611 version?


That is the tip of the iceberg.....there are more other verses with translations on that and Lord/lord.


Going by the bible, your God is a junior in the pantheon of Gods. He inherited Israel from the Most High which all you ignore. He is delivering all his duty to the Elders of heavens. So he is one of the children of El. That is where different nation and different God pop out.

You are just a baby christian....abeg go and study your bible once more.

Deha: Total Detachment

tie with my conditions? If yes we are good. If no, i aint a slave.

MonsieurCoder: He was NEVER an Agnostic or an Atheist, Just a wannabe Atheist gone rouge, he was angry with his belief and hid behind Atheism to conceal it. No real Atheist that goes back to Theism would create this kind of topic, go through his post on NL you would understand better, i wont be surprised if FOLYKAZE ends up like him, they were NEVER Atheist, just wannabes.

your signature say it all.....<%You are free to worship your stone, i wont stop you, but please don't throw it at me%> lol.

Cheers

cashkid_is_back: useless n clueless bunch of politicians..instead of them of stayin in their respective states n tackle bh menace,they ar busy moving frm one place to another..cum 2015,gej wil stil win

So politicians are to hold guns and attack bk? What are we paying the defense and military section for?

You are clueless and useless like your dictator disguisting as president. Yes he will become president in your family circle.

macof: who can see the foolishness in the post above?

Didn't bother to read the epistical crap he wrote. I just want to hear or see Jesus or Christianity. I dont know how Ogunbola turn to Jesusbola.

OP lets talk about Ifa

bolaino: good day my brother, pls do not be offended by the topic of this post, but one thing you should understand is that, if we genuinely want God to come into our lives, then we have to drop every trait of the devil from our lives, and one of the traits of devil that is being made manifest in the world today, is pride, and it was because of that pride that was why the devil challenged God, but God being the creator of the world and the God of humility, humbled himself to satan by sending his son to come and die for mankind, jesus came to the world to show the world how humble God is, the son of God was spat on, flogged, and the devil humiliated him and killed him, when he was killed the devil was happy, and he thought it was over, but on the 3rd day, our lord and saviour rose from the grave, even the grave could not hold him captive, the ressurection of jesus put an end to the existence of satan, satan has been defeated thousands of years ago,

So my good sire, satan is the father of pride, God is not proud, if calling God a fool would make u become saved then go ahead and call him a fool, and he would even call himself a fool in your presence, if that alone is what would make you saved, it is not the will of God for any man to perish, but remember the words of our master jesus, he said "blessed are those who believe without seeing, for theirs is the kingdom of God"

The reason jesus washed the feet of his disciples was to teach them humility, he said if he as God could humble himself to wash their feets, then they should in turn wash each others feet. My point is, you feel offended because the bible calls atheists fools, you should not be my good sire, reflect on this, God loves you, and so do I, and I would be very happy if all of you here could start spreading the word of God,

Bros I'm sorry if I have ever offended you, it wasn't my intention, but pls come back home to God. Pls, repent for the kingdom of God HAS come.

You didnt inform me this has gotten into your head. If am going back to spirituality.....i am good for Ifa. You can hold your jewish God.

I have been doing the cat war with mirror reflection on christians. Being thinking of converting too. This was the thread I opened for my conditions https://www.nairaland.com/1500875/conditions-make-me-reconvert-christianity but was failed by the christians who picked up the ties.

I would have consider your OP but you came with insult. This is not how evangelism is done.....ask those that brainwashed you for more evangelic delusion pills.

The equation of Psalm 14:1 extend from atheist to God. In Isaiah 44:6, God said there is on God (note: there are other God and even the Elders and Most High).......so God is fool, those that brainwashed you are foolish while you foolishly fooling your foolishness.

That is your pay back for calling me and other atheist fools. Digest it man......cheers

Deha: You are not different from the Jews then......God cannot be sectionalised or tribalised....There is only One True God,the Maker of Heaven and Earth......
Imagine a scenario whereby every tribe on Earth has there own Almight God?
Probably,All this Almighty God{s} came together and shared the Parts of Earth to inhabit and recieve Worship then? There will be Millions of ALMIGHTY GOD{S}.....Isnt it stupid?

You reason as if we were not religious once or know anything about Abrahamic faith.

Get this straight, I was a christian for 18years and a good muslim for 3yrs. So I understand your faith, doctrines and scripture more than you imagine.

The bible you are reading stated that there are many Gods and many Lord so each people shall walk with the name of their God. The bible God is the the God of Israel which you cant deny.
Also the quran stated that messengers and messages were sent to different people meaning mohamed and Islam are designated for the Arab only.

Do yourself a good favour reading your scripture before arguing on it.

Mintayo: which Odua nation are u talking about?
Which Olodumare are you talkin abt?
What will ur ololdumare do to those that are not undr your odua nation or those that do nt believ in him? Smh

Being ignorant is not a bad thing but being ignorant with pride is a sign of stupidity.

The same bible you are reading stated that there are many Gods and many Lords so each nation walks with his own God.

ELEDUMARE is what you call Most High....HE is the universal God and not the tribalistic one lost souls like you are following.

Deha: Is God forcing u to believe in Him? The answer is 'no'...Thats why He gave u free Will so that u choose what to and what not to believe!!

But he threaten to punish us for exercising our freewill

Deha: I know of Only One Way to Bring God to Yourself........i can tell u

Tell us

DonColz1: Tell him to meet prophet T.b joshua, and all is well.

T.b joshua looks like addict with his untidy hair and beard

Deha: I believe u dont know God.. Firstly,you need to Know God personally ...When u do,u will realise that u have been Wrong all along........Sigmund Freud will tell u better

You are going in circle.... The bold is my first condition. You know God, how can we know him too? We want to see him like Moses or touch him like Jacob (wrestle things). Ok his voice will do it.

Deha: Your problem is self-delusion...Goodluck!

Irony. Lol

Your case is indoctrination.......emancipate yourself from mental slavery. Cheers

Deha: Thats the mistake u guys make....When u start Worshipping God cuz u are afraid of hell,you are not Worshipping Him...You simply want to please ur fright....The Worship of God is a whole lot bigger than the concept of hell!

I am not scared of Hell bro because your God is there too. Let assume hell and God exist now.

Your religion cant survive without a threat of Hell.......the way your God cant exist without you believing in him.

There is no Orisa that is forcing you to believe.......you are your own God.

Divepen: #i don come#
folykaze-the only thing you can do to get most of those things you want is through 40 days fasting and prayer....That was how moses saw God....

Do you read the OP at all? I ended up in hospital after two days fasting.....if I try 40 days, then you are digging my grave.

Oduduwaboy: @ Mintayo & Deha ......please never refer to the God-concept of my fore-fathers as idols again .Christianity is only one of many religions in the world today .....if Indians could prevent the British from pulling wool over their eyes and today they proudly declare Hinduism and they are progressing; why can we not come to our senses and do what is right .

I know the best tag that irritate christians when they try to insult African spirituality.

Just let them know that Jesus was a Gay and Mary was a prostitute.....cook it with evidence from bible. You will see them crying foul

ubl6: My God is not a tribal God.

What is the name of your God?

Mintayo: lol,i see God laughing at your ignorance,God has been doing something,even though not ur idea of something,you are just insensitive to know and see them.
God has been doing something and He is ready to do more but we people we are not allowing Him,we are filled with pride just like you guys saying and thinking we can do something without His help and presence and as gentle as God is,He won't interfare until we call on Him,not like you guys are doing anyways.
God is ever ready,the question is are we ready?

God should be ashame of himself. He cant fulfill his promise so he never be a God.

Deha: @bolded,The question you should be asking yourself is: "Why am i not seeing the Things He has been doing from time immemorial,and in my life."

There is nothing special about your life. Atheist have achieved a lot without the help of a God.

Moses saw God face to face. God promised Ezekiel to reveal himself in the sight of nations so that they can believe in him. Tell us your God do not have potential for this.

Deha: Boring to you,cuz you want a God that will pop up and do whateva silly thing you bid Him do,like making a fo.wl talk abi? You are a joke...
Thats why u worship idols...Why not invite the Op to ur idol worship? I believe ur gods will simply make fo.wls talk to make the Op believe!!

There is no Orisa in yoruba spirituality that is begging for belief or faith from people or that is threatening anybody with hell. It is said that Ori eni labo aba fi orisa sile......meaning nourish your consciousness spiritually rather than deities. That is Yoruba philosophy.

Your own God cant live without belief from ya

Deha: Exactly What am trying to let u undastand with the blindmen and the Elephant story.......
Since u are not God,you have no business trying to decipher which of The Doctrines about God is wrong or right....
God will do His own part for Himself when the time comes....Undastand this!

End of discussion.....christians are blind and ignorant about God.....that is why they contradict each other. More like using idea to explain what they are ignorant about. Halelluyah.

rationalmind: Hehehehehe, easy now bro

I came forward with 5 task and he failed on 3. The guy is not serious at all

Deha: By making a f.owl talk for You and making a stond move? Smh!
Oya na,Nairalanders,una don hear am!!
You are just funny....reali reali funny bro!

Then everything is not possible for your God. Your case closed....you cant help

Deha: Firstly,Catholics dont Worship Mary.....clear that error....Am not going into this cuz there are tens of Thread on Nairaland about it,and there are a zillion book about it.......
2ndly,am A Catholic and i dont concern myself with How other People go about Worshipping God......God has the final say on the Worship to accept or not....am not bothered....But what i will be bothered about is ur lifestyle,not ur Worship-style!!

Deny it with prove that am wrong. This is baseless

Dp

Deha: .

Let me rate your effort.

- task on knowledge..... F9.

- task on one church..... F9.

- task on miracle..... F9.

Lets see how you deal with the two other option