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Ajibam: God showed Gideon the sign because he was a good man in the face of God. .
even the angel called him man of valour.

he knows the God he serves. unless you that is going to and fro and divorcing churches around...

*faint*

Am not a good man?

I did all thats necessary for 18yrs but everything was failure. I wish in my heart to see God but cant see him....

Have tried my best, let him do his token too. At least appear to me face to face

Ajibam: I am a Christian cause I follow Christ ....am his ambassador

erm...I knew that yesterday.

My divorcing was base on bible and setting myself ready like Gideon but I was failed.

rationalmind: Lol, orunmila most esp I guess.

yep and Saint George aka Ogun. Lol

Ajibam: no wonder he hasn't done his own part...you are unsettled,,, a leaf on the Mediterranean sea..

Are you a christian base on bible or church?

Here are my rights to move out of churches that does go with the scripture... Gal 5:18-23, 2 peter 2:3, 2 Tim 3:1-5, 2 Thes 3:6,14 and Titus 3:10. Thats the best I can remember madam

Ajibam: another thing is that,he will do his own when you are ready to do yours truly..

you are just like a Pharisee looking for a sign...the signs are around you but you don't see it cause of the veil that is covering our eye..

And God is ready to show the sign. Read about Gideon

rationalmind: Lol, like sango and obatala and orunmila. I wouldn't mind if he brought those ones back to life as well

I add this to my conditions. Lol

obadiah777: you sowed seeds for 18 years and then quit before harvest season ? you do know 1 day to the lord is 1000 years to man right ? and you do know the seeds you are sowing you will benefit forever if you had waited to harvest, not only in this lifetime but in subsequent lifetimes. you dont just live once. you live forever, albeit spaces in between to rest in the spirit world. reincarnation.

lol.....

And I should wait for 1000years? What ya smoking tonight?

Ajibam: you thought you did it but you did not!!

which church are you going before self?

lol...am ashewo na.

I worship anywhere I fill like. Anytime I find doctrine contradicting bible, I divorce the congregation.

Alwaystrue: @OP,
LOL. Obviously for you to want to consider it means you are not even sure of your current stand in atheism. One of the reasons that makes people revert to atheism is because they did not truly believe Jesus Christ or they looked away from Him and focused on thingsor people around them. For you not to fall, you need to keep focusing on Jesus.

My atheism is like being in crossroad junction. I see and know about other religion through this. And why Jesus? I need God pls.....

In short responses to your questions:

1. Slightly change your perception of what you are seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, and tasting. Just like you cannot see the wind or air yet you know it is there, same way you need to have a little more faith and patience to understand that looking is not same as seeing, feeling is not same as touching, perceiving is not same as smelling, tasting is not same as savouring and hearing is not same as listening.

Whats beyond my five sense doesn't exist in my world. However, Moses saw God face to face. And he promised nations will sight me. For how long shall we wait to see him?

2. Imagine the miracle of the air you breathe and let that air cease for a minute then you will understand that your life itself is a miracle. Putting a ringing alarm clock beside a dead person will not raise him up yet you sleep and this wakes you up. You want to see miracles? When you look, seee...Seek Him in truth and let Him handle the rest.
Miracles happen and that is why they are miracles. They come when truly necessary else it will becomes just a normal thing to you if you see them so often.

The miracle of air you mentioned is natural occurrence. Let the miracle I list there play.

3. Lol. Very funny statement. May be if you were just patient a little more and exhibited more patience, you would have been embarrased with the body rolls and touch since they are so important to you.

I fast for two days and end up in hospital because I want to join drama group. Have always want holy spirit touch but never come.....long time hope makes the heart faint.

4. The church of Christ is one. Factions happened as far back as the time of Paul so much that Paul said was he crucufied for us or were we baptised in his name. It would surprise you to know that many who uphold the words of Apostle Paul (for he was a minister) today as their whole bible, over the words of Jesus Christ, would have denied and abused him if he were to live again in this age for even he like Jesus had so much contradictions from people.
That is why Jesus is our source and we understand Him by the Holy Spirit and also gain lots of insights from the words of His ministers both in the letters in the bible and in true current day ministers sermons as well whose words tie to the word of God.
In Revelation Jesus spoke of the various issues of churches in different locations so the church is constantly growing and developing. Jesus Christ is the foundation. Others that build on the foundation need to be careful what they build. Some build hay, some silver, some gold but the day will prove it.

church is one? Stop kidding me.

5. The accessible gateway to God is through Jesus Christ His son in praise, worship and so many other means.

Access denied.

Today, make up your mind that you want to return to God and tell Him to reveal Himself to you and watch a miracle unfold before your eyes.

untill my conditions are reach, I am an atheist

obadiah777: let him show you his terms ? ahhh pride. do your part and then he would do his.

I did that for good 18years man. When is he doing his?

PAGAN 9JA:
I never answer your question? I have always answered your questions!

It is you who doesnt like my answers.


As for Ifa not being a religion, It is only YOU in the whole world who is saying that.

This is no different from Hindus saying that HInduism is not a religion.

Why is that?

Because Pagan religions are originally just the said ethnic groups way of SPirituality.

In the "modern sense" , Ifa Orisha will be classified as a Tribal Religion.





Stop trying to relate Pagan religions with your previous Abrahamic religion.

The Gods do not "ask" people to worship them. The Gods are Spiritual Forces, not humans.

It is our human ways in the natural order of things, to worship and supplicate these Higher Forces.

As we have been doing for millenia and nothing you say will change that.




Dude stop acting naive . Humans consist of different ethnic groups like Chinese, Yoruba, Hausa, Japanese, etc.

So is being human an ethnic group?

so will you say you are not human?

In the same way, Paganism is a term used to describe all the world Ethnic , Polytheistic, Ritualistic and Idolatrous Religions. How then can you say you are not Pagan and do not practice Pagan religion?

Pagan is not a religion in itself.



So I see, you are just studying, not practicing is it?

Then thats were my point lies. Your suggestions and directions on the right way for things to be done by us Pagans, does not apply to us, since you are not one of us.

This was my main point.



In the same way Ifa Orisha is not solely your property.

You call yousrelf an atheist and then you embrace Spirituality? WHat kind of oxymoron is this?

Do what you want but dont tell us Pagans and Revolutionists on the right way for our issues to be solved.

You dont see christians and muslims telling us what to do.



Im not starting a religion. My Gods!

Im only calling for Tribal Unity! Do you understand?!

And Orisha never even broached the topic of preaching. Orisha won't ask you.

In the days of the religion, there were no christians/muslims.

This is a new-age problem we are forced to counter!




Im not starting a new religion. You are intentionally playing dumb.

I am follower of Maguzanci Religion.

I am just calling for PAn-Paganism. stop talking nonsense.


Im not bringing anything into Ifa. It is you who is modyfyin Ifa according to your own atheistic and mild, and Im sorry to say, "cowardly" approach.


You want to enjoy all the benifits of Ifa yet you do not want to fight for IFa.


SO be it. THe Gods help you.

The world has truly become a selfish place.

I dont have problem with ya if you see your spirituality as religion. Ifa is spirituality and not religion.

So you haven't heard about spiritual atheism? Google is your friend pls.

Mr... Until you show me where Ifa mentioned preaching and converting people then we can talk.

If you want to continue on this talk, abeg switch on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1477407/ifa-ifa-practice-it-religion.

Cheers man

rationalmind: I've got conditions too.

Let him bring these people back to life.

Charles darwin, Albert Einstein, Sir Isaac Newton and Galileo.

lol..... Why not adding your ancestors? This Oyinbo saint mentality ehn. Happy halloween.....lol

obadiah777: well your problem is instant gratification. God will not appear to you on your terms. he will appear to you on his own terms. his terms are tedious to those looking for instant gratification. you will have to show sincerity and dedication for a while. you have to humble your spirit. study the words. and then he may just appear to you through the words in the bible and through your dreams. its not an easy task and you have a miniscule amount of time. the window of opportunity to prove yourself is very slim. you have to take it now or never. the choice is yours. you gotta calm your haughty spirit

lol.

Let him show us his terms.....

Tgirl4real: U see...u are seeking God in the wrong place and in the wrong way. You have head knowledge of scriptures, mix it with faith in your heart and you will be saved.

Then, start living righteously according to God's word. Turn away from your old ways and embrace God whole hearted. You can't miss it.

It's as simple as it comes, no ambiguity.

here is my game.....'when am prison, I dont care but I love time limit even though it 100years'.

If I had faith for 18yrs and it yield to no exposure of reality.....it better to move on with my knowledge than hoping till eternity.

Let God prove himself once and for all

Uyi Iredia: My disbelief in the Christian God happens to involve 3 critical aspects: 1) the contradiction of mercy-killing Jesus and eternal damnation (amongst other acts) to forgive with an all-loving God

Christianity has been destroyed by those who read meaning to the scripture. I had this argument of hell with elders in Kingdom hall last year.....it was different thing entirely from other pentecostal churches. They dont believe person will burn eternally and they back their points greatly.

But according to Ifa, I believe there is cause and effect. Which is said that kosi asegbe meaning there is no cause without effect. But there is nothing like hell or eternal heaven here.

I think this problem of hell is with sects.... Obadiah makes me feel like bombing churches or closing all churches down if I had the power cuz I cant just see God who is thirsty with blood of innocent souls.

2) the application of reasonable doubt to supernatural claims of the Bible where such is unhesitantly applied by Christians with respect to other religions eg Hinduism which they disbelieve

I believe somethings are beyond our understanding for now. Man got to keep investigating. What push me back on supernatural claim was failed miracle fit. I tempted lot of pastors and seem most were acting.

3) the moral ineptitude or high-handedness seen in the church and tge attendant lesson the Christianity is no guarantee for good morality. As such I think it very unlikely I'll return to the religion, though not impossible.

lol. Same but sometime I think that attach to individuality. Last year, the compassion, hospitality and love from a JW purged me out of Islam. My parents cast me out even they are christians but this people embrace me...... There is fire but can serve double purpose....use for good and evil. I think same apply for christianity.

Interesting so see this from FOLYKAZE_I mean coming out_this is something I intend to do later on.

lol. My walk into yoruba spirituality expose me to lot. Imagine babalawo telling me to stop bashing Abrahamic faith. He explained some Odu that brief christianity, Islam, white enslavement and black rule in the future. He said nobody is wrong just the angle we see things. I didn't get chance of writing what he was saying on my note as the man was just giving me tips....not ready to go deep as am not initiated. As he said, everything is in stream and stages.

No knowledge is lost....I respect your intelligence mister.

obadiah777: you are definitely something. i dont know what it is but you are something alright. why do you seek the lord anyway ? arent you happy with your atheism ? its not fulfilling you ?

Lol. I love seeking enlightenment cuz it life and making myself available for people cuz I respect them.

In my world, there is no real happiness..... Lol

Since I convert to Islam and stem down to Atheism, it has been a great war....am winning some and defeated at another battle field. It got to a point, suicide is the option but you know.....man fight till end. Lets forget that chief.

Even though I worship matchbox, it will fulfill me when I put enough work into it. But am optimist.....there are some truth in everything. If christianity can show up again, am good moving with it.

Tgirl4real: Ohh!

May be u guys were just doing gymnastics and not really praying.

lol. I remember they were Deeper life members. It was like am in training field as they shake me around. I later knelt down for some to split on my damn face.... Gaddem

And when I want something, I mean it and very determined. I turn by back when im failed and embrace when I get good result. From onset, the results were failure.... Smh

obadiah777: i didnt choose this path. this path chose me. i didnt choose the lord, the lord chose me

jeremiah 28 vs 8 The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

pls stop this cherry picking.

Read the two to three verses that follow your bible quote....it says different thing entirely

rationalmind: Why send us to hell when he chose not to choose us

Obadiah God chose what he want. He rejected us for hell just like Esau

obadiah777: i already answered those questions bruv

cant find any answer directed to the questions

obadiah777: they were both not satanists

And am satanist?

Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. Meaning pls.

Beretta92: Well,f*ck him then.

lol. Calm it down man.

You got conditions too? Kindly add pls.

obadiah777: the conditions are null and void. you dont choose God. he chooses you.

Moses gave conditions, Gideon too.

DrummaBoy: Ok. I get it.

Now, I am not promising anything. I am not promising that I can explain God to you. I believe I met the person of Jesus Christ and received Him into my heart some 15 yrs ago. It has been 15 years of up and down, and sometimes I think if I have submitted to forces or experiences along the way, I too could have become an atheist but somehow, my faith in God has remained. I am not too sure of the state of my faith in church people though.

I will begin with your first condition:



A favourite verse in scripture answer this:

1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent

That is the aim of Jesus Christ's coming: to reveal God to men. And when you know him, you have eternal life. It is as simple as that. Now you have given some conditions for knowing Him. That he must respond to your five senses. I think God can do that. But why don't we open up the matter and not constrain ourselves to the five senses alone. God wants to reveal Himself to you; could it be possible that he has His own condition too? So permit it to be God revealing himself to you in the way He wants and I am sure he would reach you in the way you want eventually.

The process of knowing God is truly profound and I believe it will start with both of us discussing the person of God together. Back and forth. Let us replay life experiences and things we have learnt from them. I am not too vast with atheistic arguments and I would not argue with you. If you attack me, I may just withdraw and find something else to do. But I will always respond to anyone who want to know God in sincerity. Seeing that you have been a Christian before, apparently we can share from a common basis.

So, Folykaze, how do we start? Let me allow you speak in response to this and we will see how it plays on. For now, we are on point 1, remember?

Cheers.

Let me start by asking you to pls reduce your contents so that I might also have some space to type my opinion quoting you directly. Am on mobile so will be hard to quote long post.

Yeah I was once a christian. I even had to reconvert to christianity after exploring Islam for three years but it burns down as I see no iota of reality in everything I do in religion circle.

Since you want it to be christian talk, am good bringing bible in. Lets read this:

Ezekiel 38:23

And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.'

^^^^ considering the above verse, that is God saying that he will show his greatness (miracle fit which I asked), holiness (fall on holy spirit which I asked) and know in the sight of nations (as a human, the only way we can know is through our five sense....God promising people will see him). For through this, they shall know he is God.

So am right considering that bible verse. My conditions were 5 while the single verse there is 3 out of mine. Remember the bold says that with this, they shall know that am the LORD. If those condition can be reach, no doubt I will know there is God and my conversion is certain.


Lets read another bible verse.

Psalm 9:10

And those who know your name put their trust in you, for you, O Lord, have not forsaken those who seek you.

Even though am atheist, I still seek enlightenment and wisdom of the world around. If truely there is God, am seeking and should forsake me.....I want to see him so I can clear doubt cloud.

The final nail is in Job 13:15

Though he slay me, I will hope in him; yet I will argue my ways to his face.

Most atheist were mostly ex-christians. I read some on this forum saying if there is evidence or convincing fact about God, they will reconvert. My argument/bashing against/of God can halt before his face when he is ready to show himself.

Moses asked for signs, Gideon too and many others. If this signs or my conditions can be reach, am renouncing atheism immediately.

larrymoore: @ I feel u man, for my side, I ve to leave sometin unquestioned or else.

The above made me quit christianity completely. What me to be robot?

Bible said prove all things.....wise man ask and query

obadiah777: gaddem heathen smdh

Elijah man.

What ya saying about the condition above?

Tgirl4real: Hi Folykaze,

Hope you are doing great.

@ Post,

It's the Holy Spirit that saves. Send your conditions to God in prayer.

I did that with some house fellowship in school. We prayed for about 1 hour but didn't see anything like God while I suffer lot of pains on my kneel.

I want answer once and for all....not endless prayer and hope

Joshthefirst: You would insult God by telling him to come to you on your terms?

Think about it. Who do you think God is? Would you have an image of an all powerful God? If you do, you telling him to come to you on your terms and giving him conditions is pride of the highest order

Anyone can get to God, the gate is open for all. God has his own conditions.
Here they are:

Hebrews 11:6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

If you want to know God, you must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who diligently seeks him.

That is the basic requirement for those who want to know God. They must humbly seek him. God resists the proud. He gives grace to the humble

But you see, most times, we don't normally search for God. He, in his mercy, searches for us. He reaches out to us by his power and grace, and changes those who believe in him.

So oga folykaze. If you wanna know God, go humbly, believing that he is, seek him diligently and you will find him.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

If you decide to seek God today, he will truly reveal himself to you if you seek him diligently. You will surely find him and know him through Christ Jesus if you look for him with all your heart.

Go by his terms.

God bless anyone who decides to open himself to Gods reality today.

Do I need to seek for omnipresent God? Next try

DrummaBoy: I didn't get the deal. Please explain the bolded in clearer English. Mine is limited...

i was saying that am converting to christianity only if the above conditions are reached.

You can make it happen or provide linkage? I and some people might need it

DrummaBoy: If I had my way, I also will want to kick CAN's President's balls.

That guy is doing more harm to the Christian name than the Devil.

Lol!!

Go for this only lie in the condition tie.

Accepting deal?

Joshthefirst: no. I know that my God is real and he has given an appointed time to judge in these days. I know that he is merciful and wants people to repent of their evil deeds. I will come back to reply you effectively with a thread.

how do you know this? He spoke with you last night? Abeg I want to know your God....conditions for my reconvert is here https://www.nairaland.com/1500875/conditions-make-me-reconvert-christianity. Lets see if your God can beat it

DrummaBoy: You are closer to your redemption than you know it.

Hopefully, by the time you return to the Christian fold, God shall be using you to help the Church attain that new level He wants bring us into.

Your adventure in atheism is for a purpose: I still think atheist are closer to God than many a Christian. That singular fact of truth in the inward part that informs many atheistic profession will lead you to God, eventually.

lol. If I convert to christian, it only to kick CAN president balls.

When will my conditions tie?

Until then, I dont belief in God