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Johnokon: Dear Foly. Your situation and predicament is precarious

Dear John. There are more to my post as in personal warfare.....but I hold unto what doesn't kill ya makes you stronger.

Am serious about this, if the above condition can be reach, am converting.

segunjowo: Now this is serious isn't it. Even though you sound so myopic in your opinion about God, there are some lessons to be drawn from your points, highlighted. But then, you know that God is a spirit, He lives in you. Thus, you can't see him. But if you immerse yourself in a deep spiritual reflection, you are likely to sense his presence. Forget about church, its been corrupted, long ago! I will only let you into the fact that whatever you do, the God that dwells in you, sees you. You can't hide from your shadow.

the bold is false. Moses saw God face to face. Some folks claimed God visited them in person.....

Moreover, spirit to me is energy but energy dont talk....definately God talk as accounted.... Lets see all these, i will truely believe in him

obadiah777: i already did

nope....here is the question again

FOLYKAZE: And where is your claim that we are in white heaven?

Do you note 'up' in your bible quote? So up is earth huh?

Erm....why cant you go to this heaven? Suicide things like Jesus and Samson

Funny thread

obadiah777: no such thing as white person in the bible. they are the roman empire aka the fourth beast. >>> daniel 7 vs 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

whats this? Answer my questions .

Every house that divide against itself shall be destroyed.....amen

Since I disclosed my disbelief in God stance, many ranging from neighbours, to friends and lastly family have been kicking against me. I had to speak up my mind because I cant live as person who am not and cant hide forever. On the long run, many have preached and shared the gospel with me. Some were informing me how God love me. Well dont wanna push hard so here are conditions that can make me belief in the existence of God and/or make me convert back to christianity.


1. I want to know God

As a man, I need to contact with the reality of the world through my consciousness. I am aware of the world through sense experience. I make use of the concepts abstracted from my experience of others, I draw conclusions about the world around me. So the only way I can belief in God is if he can be spotted and know with my five sense (seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, and tasting).


2. Miracle

Being thinking of hijacking a sunday service with a loaded pistol. I can just ask the whole church to pray to God for saving their pastor when I point my pistol at his forehead......dont want to go through the thick cuz I might end in jail. Lol.

Anyway since christians believe in bible and it said that through faith mountain can shift it position, we can experiment how prayer miraculously move a little stone. If truely there is God who listen and answer prayer with supreme power, then he should answer prayer warriors request and move the stone at least a metre length. OR since God can make donkey talk, I will want to see and hear my chicken saying 'folyk, why are you tempting God, pls belief'. With this I will belief in God if he display miraculous fit like those mentioned.


3. Fill with Holy Spirit

Yeah. It is said that if we dont want to eat palm oil, we might do because of yam. Holy spirit can manifest in me which will point to the existence of God. I can remember when I was still a christian.......for good 18years, I didn't fall under anointing or holy ghost touch period while my friends roll on ground like person with epilepsy. I didn't speak in tongue, God didn't whisper to my ears, I didn't see vision of hell and no spirit talking to me. My friends can fast for 21 days but I ended up in hospital when I fasted for 2 days.
Why always me? Why cant I be like others who receive sms from demon, fall under anointing, speak in tongue or hear from God. If I should believe in God, Holy spirit should manifest in me so that I can experience divinity presence like my friends.


4. One Universal Church

Different denominations and doctrines in the house of God purged me out of christianity. Obadiah was right when he called me Ashewo.....I read the bible back then and always wish to follow it but always find church doctrines contradicting both other churches pattern and bible. So when I find any contradiction, I divorce the denomination for another. The worst is the multiplying division against self in christiandom........if you want to see the bad part of your church, you need to view it from other churches. Jehovah Witness bashing catholic, catholic mocking protestant, deeper life hating c/s, celestial exposing christ embassy hypocrisy and Redeem forming holier than thou. I worshipped in almost every church is my locality.....but seem they are lying and deceiving self when watched from a separate church.
God call for one body..... When there is this one body, it can prove that yes there is someone who speak and host human race as one body in christ. With this, I can belief in christ which draw God in too.


5. Accessible Gateway

It only in nairaland I know that there is updated spiritual-tech when pastor Jo informed us demon now send text message. Back in sunday school class, we were told that God telephone number is J.E.S.U.S. I grew up to find out that you cant press J when dialing call. The doubt about God existence came through this and other deceptive gospel. When we are million mile apart, I can chat through internet provided there is network. I can ring your line, post you letter and speak physically with you by travelling down. This goes with high profile people yet we are all the creation of God.
If there is a God, I will believe in him if there is an accessible gateway through wish I can communicate with him. Telephone, email account, bbm pin, or heaven transport route leading to him can definately make me believe totally in his existence.


The above are my conditions which will make me belief in the existence of God and convert back to christian.....

- christians....can you make this happen now to quicken my convert?

- heathens....what are your conditions for reconverting? Share pls

obadiah777: 2 corinthians 12 vs 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

And where is your claim that we are in white heaven?

Do you note 'up' in your bible quote? So up is earth huh?

Erm....why cant you go to this heaven? Suicide things like Jesus and Samson

Logicboy03: The god that says that "there is no other god but me" in his heart is a fool

Best rebutt ever. Lol.

Permit me to use it abeg.....I don see correct wire.

Joshthefirst:

1. We won't be looking at you, we won't even mind people who are not in heaven, they made their choice: for the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life

And how does this relate with bible? Lazarus and the rich man story is entirely different.

2. Who says heaven will be boring? This is a devlish rumour from hell. For starters, you will be able to worship God in the beauty of his holiness, if you've ever worshipped God before, you'll know that its something you'll look forwaerd to. Again, we will have fellowship with God. Again, some people claim that the intellect will be useless in heaven, this is another lie from the pit of hell. God did not create the mind to be useless, we will have a new earth to cater for and tend to according to scripture. The mind will just be in its proper place, subject to the spirit.

Unless you will dance Etigi or makossa in heaven cuz it sin. No DJ, no clash/chaos cuz this bring transformation....remember your God change plans?

3. What do you mean people who we dislike? Smh. God is love. What you've just said is unbecoming.

God is love but created evil huh?

People will dislike heaven when you remain at a spot for eternity without a progressive or regressive change. So baby will remain baby forever, old mama remain that forever and goat remain that forever. Even my old mama said she wish to become a boy....you think been a woman not good? She wanted to change but cant so that will make people dislike parallel and stagnant heaven. Growing or cutting short is necessary but cant happen in heaven. At end, dem go dislike there

4. Why do you want to be God? We are children of God, who imitate God, trying to become God is the worst of all pride and rebellion and is what got the devil and the world where they are today

Because bible called us God. Ye are Gods who can differentiate between good and bad.

Yahweh is the servant of Most High but upgraded status in the heaven council. If we are God, we can be in same level with Yahweh..

5. Death does not give life meaning lb, you know this in your heart. You only say this because you're an atheist who does not look forward to eternity with God. Jesus said we should work the works that would last for eternity. Life with God has meaning that transcends death itself. Christ gives meaning. He said if you want to find your self, you must lose yourself for his sake. Jesus is the center of it all.

Everything in life is vanity. What then is reality? Heaven. What takes you to heaven? Death.


#suicide

My girlfriend hate number 1 whenever I bring it to her face. I will ask her so when death part us, will she be happy in heaven while swid burn in hell? In the first place, she will get bored without answer but it seem she don upgrade. Her answer now is God will forgive me because of her......bone of bone thing. Lol

The number 5 was what I used against a JW guy who came to me for preaching. Mehn the guy killed all my argument with bible but couldn't deal with my question on pain. He pointed to bible saying there wont be pain and wild animal wont attack us so I asked him what if I put my hand in lion mouth or do free fall from high place. He was like I dont know. One thing I like about JW members, they dont argue on something they are ignorant of. Lol.


I wish I can be bury with guns and IED, I want to scatter heaven and start war there. Erm fire is good for roasting goat meat. Since a goat stole vegetable without given, thats a sin and permited for hell. See food bro......
There is this argument I love using...lets make it 7:

Allah, Yahweh and other religion God is true and their religion eternal place is reality. So christians will burn in Islam hell, hindu hell, zoroaster hell and other religion hell each eternally. Same goes for muslims burnin in hell while we atheist burn in all hell. Mehn we are all same as we are all going to burn.

I choose hell and im evangelising. teamHELL. God can hold his boring heaven.

PAGAN 9JA:
Exactly my point. You yourself said you are not Pagan.

You have nothing to do with me in terms of religion.

so what you believe in does not apply to us Pagans.


As for what im preaching about, Im preaching for the way of the Gods and for Traditional Religions in general and for pan-tribal unity.



I think its best for you atheists to stick to your ways and let us do ours.



You can continue to light your candle while your christian and muslim brothers slowly eat into the fabric of your Beliefs.

I believe in tribal duty. and this duty involve the tribal religion and its protection and defence.




All these are long-term things. If you can do it, thats great.

Even I can suggest climbing mount Everest. But who will take the first step?

For now, Im being realistic and doing what I best can.






When your descendants will read about your religion in history books, then you will eat your words.

You never answer any of my question. Ifa is only thing I know in African spirituality and it not a religion. I wonder if you want to create a religion, form of worship and devotion out of it.

Orisa didn't ask you to preach about him. It has stayed from a long time among other spirituality and it will surely stay. Infecting it with dogmatism is wrong.

And how can I call myself a pagan when am not practising it by myself? Do you read a book or study about science without been specially trained in field or certified then go out to claim you scientist? Am studying about Ifa from priest and not you. They agreed to give full detail only if am initiated...so you want me to give myself a name when am not practising it yet. Smh.

Paganism is not your property. Im an atheist who embrace my culture and ancestral spirituality. I have my take on my journey in life and it not for you to give me order on where I should belong.

If you want to start a religion out of your ethnical spirituality, so be it. No orisa ask me to preach around town. According to Ifa, change of ori manifest through iwa-pele (meekness approach). The dove is love and attract many people not because it preach or beg for it. It because it clean and have mild character.

Name the gods of your new religion and their system of worship. Dont bring it into Ifa cuz Orunmila didn't ask you to. Cheers bro

obadiah777: there are three heavens. one is on earth, one is in you and one is in the skies somewhere which is the abode of the lord. he went to the third heaven

scripture pls. Need to gas in something tonight.

obadiah777: you dont need to die to go to heaven. heaven is right here on earth. we are currently in the white mans heaven. yeah it looks kinda messy and disorganized and polluted but thats how the man chooses to run his heaven. we are all behind enemy lines. we are in the heaven of the roman empire. the last thousand years, heaven has been a succession of man controlled heaven on earth hence the imperfection of heaven when controlled by man. the next heaven coming up ? will be the the real heaven. only the righteous need to apply for citizenship

lol....I get the tip of heaven on earth.

Where did Jesus flied to during resurrection? London huh?

How about the heaven of golds floor and white angels....on this earth too?

Stop smoking abeg. Lol

PAGAN 9JA:
sorry I disagree with you.

We are here to spread our religion. Not just talk about "saving African religion" and doing nothing about it.


I was the one who first actively revived Paganism on Nairaland. Without my preaching, the slandering of African religions here wouldve continued for long, and you fellows would not have come into the open and openly declare Paganism.


ORiginally our religions never needed preaching or conversion.


However with the advent of abrahamism and its artificial interference into our eco-system has created an artificical need for us to fight back.

which God/Gods are you preaching now? And which religion are you talking about? Am spiritual and not religious bro.

Every individual is the god of self according to yoruba proverb. I wasn't taught to preach. Im here to light the candle....decision belong to those seeing through the light.

If you want to fight them back.....lets make way of hosting programme on tv station and radio. Reaching people and educating them. Hosting public debate with other faith. I dont think going around town and telling people to believe in Sango or Ogun is the best thing. There are many ways to kill a fish without hook or net bro.

This preaching of religion is just chasing of wind. My view though

obadiah777: heaven is real and the white man is in heaven

Racist. Lol.

Lets see you die...heaven is real so go there.

Logicboy03: Dont say things to please him....I had that article in mind for a long time. It just happened that yesterdays event prompted me to write it. The thread had numerous examples of abuse of power....you and folykaze picked one example of less than 4 lines out of a whole article.

The thread was not personal....it was clearly written in the passive. HBG and Ishi didnt even bother about it because I didnt mention names.

But thanks to Folykaze, we are now at this point. SMH. Everyone is saying that you are wrong, folykaze...just calm down.

Oga logic. The primary reason I crash hard on you was because you always want to be right and appear innocent while the other person wear your rag. The line were I pointed was right.....if you have accepted that I wont comment on that again. Also I dont know about others but whats wrong saying 'oh, didn't know thanks' or 'not as you think, thanks though', I wouldn't have go any further. A proverb says good words bring sword and blessing, what you say determine what you got. I agree am wrong....lets give peace a chance

All the say bro, im really sorry about what I did on your thread. I dont take most of things I wrote there serious....just kidding around lol. You've always be intelligent person which I respect and will always do.

And have playing some fela song....(it got struggling spirit lol) while john lennon (give peace a chance....love that guy) calmed me. Pls let it all end here....we always pal.

Cheers bro

Ajibam: @folYkaze
well,am not surprised the way you talked, that is how you understand the matter..

you were right that lb was referring to yesterday incident, I saw it first but i just ignored it because I knows hbg won't bother about it..she already ignored it and hid one of your post...I saw his reports later and I concluded that you should have emailed him or do that in a chatbox, rather than attacking him in that thread...

I didn't ban you because you derailed, I ban you to stop the issue because it is turning to a fight... I banned you for 2 hours, cos I thought you are a well matured guy and for that period of time your.righteous anger WOULD have calmed down..

but you came here bashing me,and following me around..

I only thought you understand things better. .

have a nice day

I can understand you better now.....and am using this oppourtunity to apologize for going too far on you.

Seriously I dont have any problem with Lb. When I see something wrong, I try to correct before it break to something else. This was what happened between me and Obadiah though he might think am against him but truely speaking I dont have anything in mind against him. Personally i was thinking that this issue was settled yesterday so I dont see reasoning raising it again unless he have something in mind against this gals. And when I was trying to correct him, I was joking as he tried to argue his opinion.....

I dont use chatbox or report thread cuz I dont report unnecessary issues. I also dont have his mail. But if he had understand me better, he would have accept he is wrong and I backoff. Still at this point, am cracking jokes back here.

You fueled everything. I wasn't warn or instructed to stop before you ban me. I took your action as partial judgement. You got all the power in this section....I respect that and will want little respect back too. The dragon stopped splitting fire when Ishi came in. Thats me, when anybody say it ok, I stick to advice cuz I know that person love and respect me.

Im sorry once again for misunderstanding you. Cheers bro

macof: Alcohol is not bad, wat is bad is getting drunk. Tho Obatala devotees don't dare taste alcohol

Orunmila and Ogun devotee taste it.

Logicboy03: It has been derailed

praise to almighty FELA.

Coffin for the knight thread nailed

macof: Christians don't actually understand their holy book.

I can bet anything that I understand that book better than 80% of NL Christians.

The lies of christianity is just too much.
And only those who seek knowledge can find out the truth

christianity in Africa can be define with one word : CHRISTINSANITY

Joshthefirst: What is happening here for petes sake?

Smh.

what you called me yesterday is manifesting. Lol.

This is politics and indirect insult on personalities from logicboy.

one added? Sorry mission accomplished

Logicboy03:

lol

macof: Lol Orunmila doesn't have an end,

As long as the universe continues to exist Orunmila continues to exist.

And ur lack of knowledge makes u think Orunmila is limited to a few.
Orunmila is universal and he can be reached if you open ur mind to him

I quit disagree with some of the content you got here. Considering the bold, which Odu or patakis of Orunmila instruct you to preach? This is where I wont move along with you and Pagan9ja. We ought to light the candle for those that seek enlightenment and those that want to know about African spirituality. The choice of taking it belongs to them. How does this preaching add to the potential of Orisas? Are they asking for worship, belief and faith? But seem you on with pagan9ja on preaching and the thread on marriage he opened turn me back. Let it shine bro....people have their choice when they know a reality.

Cheers man

macof: Actually it was satan that made David census Israel.

But God of the Bible is guilty of the rest

effect of contradiction in the holy word of God. Cant differentiate between truth or lie since both are holy inspiration and contained in the holy bible

alanmwene: It is just inferiority complex!
In Africa:Head of states being puppets of whites esoteric orders!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEmPMzDYv8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32ysfakviA

Meanwhile in asia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKRbD_0w29I

Adding, some Nigerian atheist are so brainwashed into European mumbo Jumbo through messiah Darwin just like those that fall from Abrahamic faith. They praise Eastern spirituality like Buddhism but spew trash on African spirituality......

Atheist from America and Japan are embracing Buddhism....the zombie atheist on nairaland are also embracing it too. African spirituality shall stand beyond their master rule. All are blindfolded and puppet of foreign world

Fkforyou: Personaly....I would prefer just one cos all my attention and wealth would be on her I don't need to start over analysing all my actions but offlate I wouldn't mind a second wife if am able too...in essence I won't mind having a second wife although i would be comfortable with just one.

A man goes for many women in the first place. Like in Europe, when a man is married, when the wife is sleeping, he goes out and f***s around. He should bring the women in the house, man, to live with him, and stop running around the streets!

Logicboy03:

I'll leave you for now.......the butthurt will fade soon enough

thats a compliment.

Stop hating on ladies when you can buy one night for 5k. You cant get what you cant have. Pay respect for her. Ode

Now I see the fact. Thats OP for the revelation. Obadiah aka Elijah777 is a member of Heaven Gates Cult or have related doctrine like they do.

Copy and paste lord. Good job

so christianity now is computer huh? Yeah i see the reason corruption and politics infiltrate it. And you blow fact out now.

I love your christ but hate your christianity doctrine and christian pattern.....hypocrite.

Logicboy03: Okay, how do I make it right?

ask your dickhead.

When doing things, take personal bias out of it. But this thread, out of talk.

*split and urinate here* want to poo....show me toilet.

Sunday don bring fuel.....enough charging and eating logicboy head

aManFromMars: And I wonder what name LB will give you? Maybe Barnabbas. Keep butthurting him till he bleeds...

nope fake-atheist. That has been the tag. Lol