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Mafking:
Wow! You will make a great mum yourself....

And how have I treated you

You felt I treated you bad and you didn't even talk about it... .

I feel you offended ma kids and I brought you to notice about it(feel the difference)

I will always protect ma kids anywhere even if they are not yet born(that's the kinda dad I wanna be).. .

Because of your attitudes, and your perpetuation of these attitudes, your daughters will be exposed to all manner of sexual aggression.

If your daughter is raped, blame will be assigned to her. She will be shamed and called a slvt.

Women like me will fight to prosecute her attackers and stand up for her right to bodily autonomy.

Ontarget:
Of course EVERYBODY is treated like humans. BUT Since we have different sexes with different nature and build we can't just handle women the same way we handle men. Trust me you will never like the outcome. Men are women are not exactly the same so each gender MUST be treated in a way that suits their nature and build. Saying men and women must be treated EXACTLY the same way as men is like using a spoon for a hammer because they are metals and have similar shapes.

The only difference between men and women is physical.

You do not believe in respect for women, because you think men are superior to women.

Good for you. I feel sorry for your daughters. They will be treated in exactly the way you have treated me, and it's only women like me that will stand up for them.

As an aside: I love my independence from a man. My life is going well.

There is no need to patronise me and tell me "trust me, you won't like the outcome". I already have benefited from feminism. In my studies and ability to work and maintain independence.

Mafking:
Wow! You will make a great mum yourself....

And how have I treated you

You felt I treated you bad and you didn't even talk about it... .

I feel you offended ma kids and I brought you to notice about it(feel the difference)

I will always protect ma kids anywhere even if they are not yet born(that's the kinda dad I wanna be).. .

Protect them by giving them rights. Teach them not to judge based on gender stereotype.

You have been treating me as if I am stupid. That's how men will treat your daughters. Do you want that?

It's women like me who will stand up for the rights of your daughters to be treated as humans, not as lesser beings than men.

jamalnation:
Dis is d reason y most men call women fish brain

You have not presented a logical argument.

Ontarget:
If your problem is the stereotyping then I don't think what you are asking for possible. What you are asking for is like saying we should disregard the existence of the male and female gender and treat everybody like we are all men. Do you know the implication of what you are saying?

I'm saying treat everybody as humans, not "men".

Disgard stereotypes. What is the harm in that?

Mafking:
I was expecting a sorry for my kids at least...

Buh you surprised me again..

Kontinu

I do feel sorry for your kids.

Your daughters specifically, who will be treated every day in the same way you have treated me.

itseintel:
Loooool.... of all the reasons for feminism,this cracked me up.

Women want respect and not to be treated like objects. Hilarious.

chigoizie7:
That has always been ur problem. U always think of things that are logical and illogical but refused to understand that we live in a practical world. A world where u do what u preach. If all those feminists whatever does not do exactly what they preach, then forget it, this world will not succumb to their psychopathic kind of reasoning.


For me? I want to be a man who will provide all for my woman, a woman I can respect for who she is. But if u start preaching that feminism nonsense and has not been putting it in practice physically and otherwise, that is where I will have problems with u?


1st, I respect u, weda u re a feminist or not, we both deserves equal respect from each other.

Apart from respect, every other thing a feminist wants is beneficial to men morethan women sef

I live by my feminist principles.

If you have a problem with feminism, you obviously have some problem with seeing women as humans.

Certifiedbillio:
whenu say sex b4 marriage both party carry the blame, it's only rape that's against moral in that sense

Yet you're willing to assign blame to women for being raped.

Suspectzero:
No they don't, I lived in the West for close to a decade. The men there hate what modern feminism is about. Modern feminism are crazy and hypocritical. You are repeating their sound bites that are just that, sound bites. Men aren't suffering under the weight of gender stereotypes. We don't need you women and your false ideology to come and save us. I'm sure even other women are laughing at you and your claims that women truly wanna be building bridges, fighting wars and doing garbage disposal.

Well too late because women do all those jobs already. Plus many more previously "male" professions.

Men do suffer under that weight. That's why male suicide is so high. They fear seeking help for their emotional problems because emotional problems are perceived as female - a sign of weakness.

Feminism will succeed, and has been making leaps and bounds forward since the 70s. Whether you like it or not.

Ontarget:
Ok. I am glad you didn't mention that they are denied any specific opportunity.
Based on what you wrote your worry is the stereotyping, but do you think women are the only ones facing this issue of gender sterotyping? Don't you think men face it too? Are men not being told what to do and how to behave to earn respect? What is the issue exactly?

Correct. Both genders suffer under patriarchy, but women more so.

Feminism is good for both genders, because it removes gender stereotypes.

chigoizie7:
It is left to the lady in question to stand on what she wants.


Come to think of it. Women u said? Please stop this ur generalisation perceptions.

Were u not the same person(woman) that has gone topless many places? Even on TV? Did anyone shame u or told u what to do? If NO is ur answer, then stop lamenting. If YES is ur answer and u still defied their shaming and all that and went topless, also allow others to do theirs.

Whichever way, stop lamenting

Just look at the number of men on here shaming celebrities for showing cleavage.

I care about all people, not just myself.

Suspectzero:
And you think men don't have stereotypes and ideals to live up to? See how feminists always like to play victim. They are forever victims. So men don't have masculine ideals to live up to like being the bread winner, being protective of their weaker female counterparts? Manning up? Doing the heavy lifting when needed? Just ask male nurses about that one.

Feminism dismantles gender stereotypes and also frees men of those stereotypes.

The stereotypes of men were created by patriarchy, not feminism. Patriarchy is bad for everyone.

Patriarchy puts pressure of men to be sole providers, for example. When women work, men no longer have to be solely financially responsible for all their family.

Suspectzero:
Feminism has had more than enough chance to prove it's good for men but that is not the case. It only seeks to take advantage of men. I don't see feminists fighting for equality in marriage and divorce laws. I don't see feminists fighting to join the army on the front lines. I don't see feminists building roads, bridges and working garbage disposals. You only want to be equal when it's perfectly convenient and rewarding. I'm sure if we examined your own life sef you'd still exemplify classic female stereotypes. But you think you are some modern enlightened woman because you are running up and down shouting "I am a feminist".

If you don't see it you need to look further. Look to the west.

Feminism does not seek power *over* men. It seeks to dismantle gender stereotypes. If you seek female superiority over men, you are not a feminist.

Feminists work worldwide for rights to do exactly what you mentioned. Because some women find it rewarding fighting on the front lines, building bridges, working in garbage disposal.

They do these jobs and I support them to do so if they want. Just like men.

chigoizie7:
Speak for urself sweetheart.

We live in a world where freedom of expression is held up so high.

Yet women are shamed and told what to do every day.

Ontarget:
Ok. Emphasis on "equality of opportunity".
So if I may I ask, is there something that women are denied? I can't really think of anything they are being denied. Whatever it is I would appreciate you remind me.

Yes. The ability to live freely without judgement based on gender stereotypes.

Woman are constantly being told what to do and how to behave in order to earn respect that is freely given to men regardless of their behaviour.

Suspectzero:
Not necessarily. He was only pointing out hypocrisy of these feministic principles. And you as a true feminist did nothing to address it except claim he hated feminists i stead of engaging directly with the specific issues he brought up. Is being a huge hypocrite part of being a feminist? We already know the answer to that.

They're not hypocritical. I live by feminist principles. It is patriarchy that disallows equality, the patriarchy you right now are feeding into by saying I'm the same as every other woman.

Kakamorufu:
for your mind tho. So u wanna tell me u make guys turn round when u walk for streets

No. When did I mention that?

LuveU2:
Have u ever thought of it this way...most men here dont care about how a woman feels. She is suppose to feel the same way as they do.

If they say, A is not a wife material, they expect u also think same.

Moreso, what happens to respect? Everyday women are slut-shamed, shamed for being single, shamed for disagreeing with other women, shamed for being "sexy", shamed for putting on make up. Shamed for walking out of a relationship, shamed for everything

Even if its ingrained to be silly, dont they have any atom of respect for us?

No, they don't. That's why feminism is important.

Suspectzero:
Women can't handle true equality. They don't have both the strength of character and physicality to do so. Also deep down most women do not want to be "equal" to their partners. They want a man that is better than them and that they can be submissive to. You can yap on all about being treated as an equal and respected all you want but it's same women like you that end up playing the guys who do that and fall head over heels for the ones who don't take you that seriously. Most feminist ideals these days are just mental masturbation that doesn't translate to real life practical success for relations between the sexes.

Smh.

Then don't complain about women being entirely dependent on you, if you think no woman can handle being independent.

Feminism allows each gender to be free. Stupid that feminism first has to prove it's good for men to be taken seriously.

Suspectzero:
Where did he mention feminists in that post?
Or is it guilty conscience that is doing you?
We all know feminists are the most hypocritical of them all.

How so?

He cites feminist principles, wamts women to show feminist traits, but generalises all women as the same.

It's ridiculously illogical.

chigoizie7:
Since u have defied all odds to appear topless in most places, televisions included and no one arrested u, why are u still lamenting?

Due to the judgement and shame men put on women for such behaviour.

nuelzz04:
I beg to disagree .....ladies make d world more beautiful....now I tink dats decoration

That's not a woman's purpose, though.

chigoizie7:
And u think it is not logical to have a psychological pains?


My point is this, men and women are created differently, and such difference in their day to day activities should always be considered.

Breasts protrudes, but male chests don't. Even though both are somehow sexual organs, but one is more pronounced.

In the same vein, female virgina and male groins are both sex tools in their own way. One is protruding while the others are not. Women wear pants/shorts/trousers that are so tight even towards their virgina regions and are free and good to. because the shape and size is not pronounced maybe by sight. But it will be insane for a man will a bulging díck to be seen putting on a pant as tight as that of leggings and all that exposing their díck size to all to see. How would u feel if u see such a man walking on the road, exposing those bulge towards the groin region?


This is akin to what happens to women and not moving about topless, but if u find it logical enough to do so, feel free, no one will stop u, neither will anyone arrest u.

Trust me, I have seen countless mad women walking up and down the streets of Awka and no one has arrested them or ever cautioned them.

Yawn.

Ontarget:
First of all let me ask a question to know your own perception: What exactly do you as a feminist want?

Equality of opportunity and freedom from gender stereotypes.

Certifiedbillio:
my dear, you fighting you said, I know you'll never go out wearing only skirt all in the name of wearing what u like, if u can then I'll be waiting to see proof, you already know it's against moral , why just saying it and not act

Please. I've been topless in lots of places, television included.

Get over it and move on.

nuelzz04:
*so sad* ...gals over here r just too stingy n decent ....dat can't even show a brother half view

They are allowed to wear what they want. Women aren't there to decorate the world.

TheAziz:
see shallow thinking sha, why do you use bra?
you know what? when going to you place of work, don't put on any shirt or blouse just put on your trousers... mtchew

I don't wear any underwear. Why do I have to justify myself to you?

If I want to go topless like a man, I should be able to without judgement.

LuveU2:
If only the malefolk in this part would stop picking on everything a woman does and focus on being great men, maybe some of us wld not start topics like this.

It's more than them picking. It's an ingrained perception. It needs to be remedied.

Even if men were successful, they will still have poor attitudes to women.

Certifiedbillio:
okay, upload a pic with your breast open wide, then I'll upload mine with full beards and let see who the world will criticise , u just have to admit a man and a woman don't stand equal chance it's not as if u deprived of some right, your body is a treasure , it need to be covered

That's what I'm trying to illuminate and fight - gender inequality.

Gender inequality is based on differing rights for differing genders.

You say I'm not deprived of any right, then tell me to cover myself. Thereby denying my right to wear whay I want.

See the hypocrisy in what you say?