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jln115:
Olifant Mk2 wasnt built it was an upgrade and it was upgraded by the South-African company BAE land systems SA

Upgrade of what exactly?; Centurion, a British tank?

BAE systems, a British entity bought the company from Alvis another British entity. Before then, Alvis also bought the company from Vickers plc a British company.

As you can see, South Africa didn't singlehandedly build the tank. It's a British tank upgraded by.....

jln115:
Prove it mate... As simple as that.

The fact is when the Olifant was produced LSSA omc wasn't a subsidiary of any company.....

You can lie ooooo.

What year was Olifant Mk 2 built?

obaaderemi:
Forgiveness, you seem to know more about South African military than that Boer.

Not really ooo but I read about their apartheid history and how they got weapons and I discovered most of those weapons were developed with the help of British, Israel and most European countries in total support of apartheid.

They even acquired 3 atom bombs from Israel because of fear of being attacked by joint African force.

jln115:
The true Giant of Africa, making a difference

G20 nations back Ramaphosa’s appeal to give Africa economic aid to fight Covid-19

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-03-27-g20-nations-back-appeal-to-give-africa-economic-aid-to-fight-covid-19/amp/

Who dash South Africa Giant?

Acadavah:
It is not province now provinces. They invade Kagera salient which is part Northern of Kegera province at 28th october 1978, After the mediation from Sesseko and President Nimeiry of Sudan failed at November 21 1978 Tz launch an attack and repel them from that part. After influence from external world from those nations and people who wanted Amin's out ,Tz launch attack into Uganda at January 1979 and the war end at April.

Wow! Kudos to Tz. Nigeria has done that in Chad, Cameroon, Benin, Sierra Leone, Gambia, Liberia etc.

mtisTheQubit:
Man , you an jln115 i know you...just don't turn ths in to another skyscraper thing or jln115 debate with Sammy...lets discuss something also man

Okay na. I just needed to correct lies.

jln115:
Yes I do.... But that it doesn't change the fact that LSSA is a South African company, just because its a subsidiary of a British company doesn't change that..... But besides its now owned by Denel so it doesn't matter anyway

It changes the false impression that it belongs to South Africa and establishes the fact that, it belongs to BAE system a foreign entity AS AT THE TIME THE TANK WAS BUILT. That's what matters most.

Give kudos to BAE system for helping South Africa to build a tank.

jln115:
And now it's a subsidiary of Denel.... So what's your point?

And wheres your proof that LSSA employees were mostly American and Isrealis?

The point is, the tank was not singlehandedly built by South Africa. In fact, it was contracted to bae systems. A foreign entity. EOD.

jln115:
Didn't I post this source?

But hey thanks for proving my point again....

Oh BTW it was called land system omc at the time when Olifant tank was built thus 100% South African

And btw, what happened to it was Israel that helped us build the Olifant tank

Land system omc doesn't change the fact that it is a subsidiary of BAE system.

Isreal did. Since most employees of LSS are Isrealis, Americans etc.


https://www.defenceweb.co.za/resources/fact-files/fact-file-the-olifant-main-battle-tank/

jln115:
What don't you understand about it being a South African company?

What is the meaning of subsidiary of..?

Austine1212:
Read carefully

What is the meaning of subsidiary?

Is/was LSS a subsidiary of BAE system? Yes or no?

Austine1212:
The whole thing

Look up.

Austine1212:
Quote what they said

A subsidiary of BAE system.

jln115:
In your own fvcking screenshot it says "BAE Systems Land Systems South Africa is a South African defence company and a subsidiary of BAE Systems Land Systems."

Now its called Denel land systems after Denel purchased 100% of Bae land systems SA

What do you under by subsidiary of.....?

jln115:
Read carefully if you can!!

I said Bae land systems South Africa..........Its not the same company as BAE land and Armaments

Please catch a wake up

Britain’s BAE Systems plc on April 28 said it has completed the sale of its 75 percent stake in a land systems business based in South Africa to Denel SOC Limited for $55.2 million.

The deal to sell its holding in BAE Systems Land Systems South Africa (LSSA) was first announced August 2014 and also included the divesture by DGD Technologies Proprietary Limited of its 25 percent stake in LSSA. Denel is a South African-based defense company.


https://www.defensedaily.com/bae-completes-sale-of-its-share-in-south-africa-land-systems-business-to-denel-2/uncategorized/

A foreign entity as at the time the tank was made.

Keep deceiving yourself.

Austine1212:
Wikipedia is not as accurate

By the way read with understanding

I have gone to the main site and it says the same.

Dlonra:
And what infrastructure is there in Lagos to that can Rival Mombasa anyway. Let inferiority Complex not blind you. Mombasa has a Larger and way busier port than Lagos. It also has a more vibrant tourist industry than the whole West Africa & a way Modern rail infrastructure than Lagos. The only thing Lagos rivals Mombasa with is the massive Population, oil based GDP and pretty much nothing else Infrastructuraly. The temperature there is also pretty much the same that's why it's a bigger version of Mombasa but definitely the filth in Lagos is always something to behold. Also generators aren't popular in Mombasa cause people don't really need them

Mombasa can't stand toe to toe with Lekki, Ikeja, Port Harcourt etc but you want to flex muscle of Mombasa with Lagos. Bhuhahahaha!

Do you have airport in Mombasa?

Do you have Mono rail in the whole of Kenya?

Do you have BRT system in Mombasa?

Do you have water transportation system in Mombasa?;

Do you have global companies H/QS in Mombasa?

Do you have the top 5 best hospitals in Africa in Mombasa?

Do you have the largest refinery in the world in Mombasa?;

Do you have a top African university in Mombasa?

Is Mombasa more industrialised than Lagos?

Is Mombasa among the top 3 wealthiest cities in Africa?

How many bridges are in Mombasa?

Let me top here. Even your whole country is no match for Lagos.

Dlonra:
Lagos is just a more Populated Mombasa and still less developed than Mombasa.
Nairobi is on a whole different level.
Compare your Lagos with Mombasa & I've actually got a feeling Mombasa is way Developed than Shithole Lagos

Mombasa, more developed than Lagos? Bhuhahahaha.

Mombasa will be the 12th developed city in Nigeria if we do rating on development.

jln115:
How can a South African company be a foreign entity?

It's a subsidiary of a foreign entity.

I have read all I needed to know about it.

jln115:
Did i say BAE is a South African company? or did i say BAE Land Systems SA is a South African company?

P.S the SA in BAE Land systems stands for South Africa if you didn't know

It's a foreign entity.

jln115:
Where's you proof mate?

Because BAE landing is not a South African company. EOD

jln115:
I said BAE systems is British

BAE land systems SA was a South African company which was jointly owned by Land systems South Africa and BAE systems.......its now fully owned by Denel

The point remains, South Africa didn't singlehandedly build that armour tank. Gbam.

jln115:
Yeah.....oops is right!!

BAE stands for British Aerospace Systems..........it British

Good. We have finally agreed on one thing. It is not South Africa. EOD

theenchanter:
I like this combination.... @Forgiveness and @Jln115. Perfect.

The two of u can argue till hell freezes. It feels good when u argue with eachother. The floor is open for ya.

Hahahaha!

jln115:
Its not American its British......see you have no idea what you are talking about mate

Also from BAE systems website: "LSSA is a South African company jointly owned by BAE Systems"........Its now called Denel Land systems after BAE sold its shares to Denel

read it and weep

Oga! BAE systems is not owned by South Africa. It is a Yankee thing. Next time don't come here lying.

At least, I showed the location of the H/Qs.

See the Board of directors and the CEO. Which is South African? Which is British? Oh! I thought you said it is a South African company!? Now, it is British. Oops!

jln115:
BAE Land systems is a South African company( it was called Land Systems OMC before becoming a subsidiary of BAE) it was bought by Denel and is now called Denel land systems.

The OMC stands for Olifant manufacturing company........as in the company that built the Olifant MBT!!

Try harder mate!

BAE systems is America. Stop fooling around.

jln115:
Here are a number of reptuable sources on the Olifant MBT

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk2.htm
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/modern/south-africa/Olifant-mk2-main-battle-tank/
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/resources/fact-files/fact-file-the-olifant-main-battle-tank/
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rsa/olifant.htm

Find me a single sentence were it states Israel helped designed the Olifant MBT............the only thing they did was sell us US built engines which South Africa later on produced itself!!

I have gotten a better source. Look up.

jln115:
Maybe you or some other idi0t edited wikipedia but the Olifant was never designed with the help of Israel we simply bought US built engines from them.

Maybe next time try getting a reputable source

You want a reputable source. Reputable source you shall get.

Can you please confirm if the BAE system is a South African company? Bhuhahahaha!

In 2003 and 2005 BAE Systems received contracts to upgrade a total of 26 South African Olifant Mk.1B main battle tanks to the Olifant Mk.2 standard. The Mk.2 uses a number of components, previously developed for the TTD. First vehicles were scheduled for delivery in 2006 - 2007.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk2.htm

Problemkid1:
Na em get himself ne him for no japa Na, make Ogun fire am there

Hahahaha!

jln115:
Maybe you or some other idi0t edited wikipedia but the Olifant was never designed with the help of Israel we simply bought US built engines from them.

Maybe next time try getting a reputable source

What is my business with editting wiki?

South Africa never built that singlehandedly without a foreign help. Fact.

jln115:
Pic 1: SAS Drakensberg, Largest ship ever built in Africa

Pic 2: Olifant MK2 MBT

That ship is old and just one. Nigeria keeps building and improving every day.