₦airaland Forum

tylann:
Maybe Nigeria has vegetable oil

Why is South Korea better than KENYA?

rvp20183:
I see you're cherry picking kenya companies and throwing the usual Nigeria lies. Kenya economy is more advanced than you Oil-dependant economy. Deal with it. This economy that doesn't depend on minerals and is attracting global capital.

And if you disagree then prove it by competing with Africans.
1) Sign and ratify ECOWAS custom union - compete with even Ghana
2) Sign and ratify Africa Free Trade.
3) Do not import tomato paste and milk powder for crying out loud.

What can Ghana produce that they want to compete with us? Ghanians are free to export their goods to Nigeria but we will not allow Europe use that avenue to cajole us into signing agreement that will crumble our manufacturing industry.

West African states have nothing to lose except Nigeria because we will be competing with Europe.

Our shoe industry almost collapsed this year because we opened the door for cheap China made shoes.

We can't compete with these countries.

Nigeria has the biggest tomatoes paste factory and it is the fourth largest in the world. This is owned by a Nigerian and not foreigners.

You can see why we are bent on protecting our market.

rvp20182:
Let says Abeokuta, Ibandan, Kano and most of nigeria cities are legal slums. Kibera is an illegal settlement and so are kenya slums.

Those three cities are far more developed than Mombasa.

NairobiWalker:
Kenya is roughly on the same level as Ghana. South Korea are better than us. They know how to run a country better than us. Be good and accept when someone is better than you.

Meaning, it's not about population and natural resources afterall. That is the koko.

rvp20183:
We mostly did ourself in, have dusted ourself and are moving ahead at breakneck speed. Now you guys are still stuck at point zero. Actually you're regressing. More nigerians are now poorer than ever.

Why is Ghana and South Korea better than KENYA? Answer simple question.

NairobiWalker:
Of course South Korea is better than Kenya, it's better than Nigeria too. What we are saying is, Kenya is better than Nigeria.

You claimed Nigeria is better than KENYA because of Population and oil. Now, tell me why KENYA is lesser than Ghana and South Korea despite having the same factors?

rvp20183:
We have our own issues but they are not as intractable as Nigeria's. Yes we should be with South Korea as a developed nation but we faced our own mostly created issues - including breeding like Nigerian rats - before we took family planning seriously - corruption & name - but we now we are on the right track. Nigeria is completely de-railed.

Who created the issues?

Na me?

No!

It shows how incompetent your country is at resolving issues. Even if you had oil, you will still not be better off than Ghana and Senegal not to talk of South Korea.

Your population and lack of natural resources should not be used as an excuse if you are not two times better than Ghana and Senegal or equal with South Korea. Shame on you.

rvp20183:
Okay lets keep it Nigeria vs Kenya. We are better than you in nealry all aspects and this thread is testament. And it getting bad for you every year.

Yes! Better on Nairaland.

Lying machine.

rvp20183:
You're repeating yourself. Don't go that far. There are countries in Africa that are better than Kenya. All the Supra/Arab countries for starters. Then add South Africa, Mauritus, Botswana and Namibia.

Only a Nigerian fool will argue with second world country like South Africa!!

Kenya is indeed a poor country (lower middle class) - but it's progressing very fast - and in another generation - we should be talking something else.

Kenya has it's own issues - that we readily admit - and we are busy fixing them. Not denying them.

South Korea doesn't have one drop of oil but still better than KENYA 1m times, why?



Don't tell me you are not sophisticated enough.

rvp20183:
We are BETTER than NIGERIA - not all countries. And that is central theme here.

Why did you bring Dubai in UAE into the theme?

You are 1m times poorer than South Korea who has the same population.

Stop using population as an excuse for your incompetency.

Even Ghana and Senegal with lesser populations beat you hands down.

rvp20183:
If we had 1/10 of your oil - we will be developed - like most middle east are. Look at Algeria and how they've used their oil. Dubai, name them. Nigeria is a cursed zoo. Just imagine you sell 2M barrels a day - and you're soo poor and so hopeless.

South Korea doesn't have one drop of oil yet they are miles ahead of you.

How come your so called sophisticated country is still struggling with Ghana and Senegal with low population than your average KENYA?

Is Kenya's population useless that even their mate South Korea has overtaken them and their junior Ghana and Senegal have pushed them down the pecking order? Bhuhahahaha!

rvp20183:
Ghana is a progressive nation - I would call it our sibling. Senegal is not also doing badly. I have no problem with progressive nations like Bostwana, Namibia, South Africa, Mauritus and sometimes Ghana/Rwanda (in some indeces) beating us.

Why are these countries better than almighty 50m populated KENYA?

Stop making excuses. You should be 5 times better than them if truly you are sophisticated.

Why is South Korea better than your country KENYA 1m times despite the fact they don't have one drop of oil or natural resources?

Don't forget you both have the same population.

obaaderemi:
How can a small country of 50m be struggling with a country of 200m? They are sophisticated yet their economy is just $60bn. No coup no civil war, nothing! And yet they're been taken over by foreigners.
Nigerian banks in their country are already making profits and they are angry.
They notable companies are all foreign owned:
Safaricom(started by a Briton)
Mpesa(started by British people)
ihub(started by a foreigner)
Möbius cars(started by a Briton)
Kilimall(started by a Chinese)
Telekom Kenya (owned by Nigerians)
Sportpesa(started and majority owned by foreigners)
Cellulant(started by a Nigerian and a Kenyan)
The list is endless. The only notable company they own is Kenyan Airways which is leaking money like mad.
I am sure they are still on nairaland because they have nowhere else to go. By the way, where's Tasha? Seems he hasn't recovered from the blows RIP2019 dealt him.

Bhuhahahaha! These Kenyans claimed there's No Nigeria company in Kenya. Behold, we have penetrated their market. Bhuhahahaha!

rvp20183:
If we had 1/10 of your oil - we will be developed - like most middle east are. Look at Algeria and how they've used their oil. Dubai, name them. Nigeria is a cursed zoo. Just imagine you sell 2M barrels a day - and you're soo poor and so hopeless.

Stop making excuses. Why is Ghana and Senegal better than you?

obaaderemi:
You see what we've been telling them? And even those hospitals were built by their masters. Kenyan hospitals are even ranked below Nigeria's.

But the guy wants me to believe they built the best in Africa.

rvp20182:
More like Oil built Nigeria, etc etc and they are in such a bad state now.

And so? What have you done better than countries with no resources and smaller populations than KENYA?

Let me cure you of perpetual ignorance.

See what built our country before oil boom.

obaaderemi:
Black South Africans of this generation are mostly useless. Their brains are addled with drug. How can they live in the midst of so much wealth and create Nada?Look for a list of 100 biggest companies in South Africa, you will never find a single one belonging to black south Africans. Look for a list of Africa's largest 25 companies and you are going to see at least 3 Nigerian companies there, 100% black owned.

But you see them claiming sophistication here when we know the truth.

See what he meant by creativity. 53% unemployment rate.

Very funny dude.

TMKsouth:
Don't let our colonial inheritance fool you. You should remember that infrastructure catered only for 20% of the population. The task for the ANC and all people of SA was to develop the townships & rural areas, as well as raising living standards for 100% of the population. In that regard they have achieved FAR MORE than any colonial or apartheid govt has.

I provided you with a list of 10 things the ANC has done well. U chose to ignore them bcoz all u want to see are new cities with skyscrapers. I gave u the Sandton, Midrand, Centurion examples. U also ignored them.

This country has an annual +/- $100B budget to carry out services in the public interest. Yes, some of it is squandered/misappropriated but decent services are carried out. You think all that expenditure has got us stuck in one place? Our quality of life FAR exceeds yours.

Who built 99% percent of your roads, Hospitals, schools (universities), electricity, planned cities, economy, multinationals companies, tourism, health care service, railway system, transportation, etcetera?

If you can answer this question, then you will be validated.


Your quality of life exceeds us. No doubt about it but who made it work?

Well, I wonder how one who is jobless can live a quality life because your employment rate is alarming.

53 percent of your youths are jobless but you think jobless souls are living quality life. Bhuhahahaha.


That was how you claimed we don't have good hospitals in Nigeria but the ranking below shows your hospitals are not that far ahead of ours. Bhuhahahaha!

BedLam:
Oga go and sleep. What diversity do you have in Lagos ? How many tourists come to Lagos in a year? I'm not talking business travelers!

FYI, Accra, Nairobi is more diversed. There's nothing diversity about Lagos.
Where do you see foreigners of different color blend and live as locals like they do in Accra and Nairobi?

You should travel more.
I don't know about " beauty at night" but none of those Sub Saharan countries cut it!

Please if you intend to quote me, bring facts and data or experience. Or don't bother.

What is your definition of diversity?

Do you mean Africans, Europeans, Americans and Asians don't blend and live in Lagos?

I am not talking about Lagos state, I am talking about Lagos city.

obaaderemi:
The kaffirs built nothing. Nigeria had a Africa's first TV station as far back as 1958.It was 100% black owned. In its early days it promoted our culture and told our own stories. Black South Africans could not even own their own TV station until recently. And the idiot is here fooling himself and the Little Indians.

Hahahaha! Honestly, he can only fool himself around. There's nothing sophisticated about South Africans.

sufferNsmiling:
But you are still borrowing money from them

When last?

TMKsouth:
Yes, most SA colonial infrastructure has been around for some time & still gets us going. No need to reinvent the wheel, just maintain & upgrade. You guys also inherited colonial infrastructure, it has decayed, you're building from scratch & it's now 58 years later... u are faced with an unnecessary 2 decades-worth of backlog.

Now bcoz u r playing catch up, other areas of your development are being shortchanged such as healthcare & education. You guys always rank 150-something or other on the global HDI rankings. Like ALWAYS.

That was my point to Forgiveness b4 you told me to hold my horses.

Next time please knock.

Nigeria inherited nada from the British.

I don't think you can build what Nigeria built from scratch after 100 years.

genieluv:
Nor be small tin o bros.

**** You see, urban poverty (just as seen in Kenya) is supposed to be the true definition of poverty according to western statistics.
Classifying Rural poverty in the African context is quite skewed because monetary evaluations do not just add up considering how rural africans live.

I as a person don't trust the westerners when it comes to something like this. I could remember how IMF persuaded us to borrow money from them after they predicted the heaven will fall if we don't but nothing happened.

I have not seen 86m people living in extreme poverty in all the places I have been to in Nigeria. It even contradict our unemployment stats.

obaaderemi:
Senegal and Ghana beat them silly. It's such a shame.

You dey mind those mofos. They can make excuses and use lies sugar coat am.

Jonraid:
This is your 2019 projection of population. We are only days to 2019. The government of Nigeria should now be planning for 200 million. people https://www.statista.com/statistics/382264/total-population-of-nigeria/

Be deceiving yourself.

TMKsouth:
Dude, your country is 58 years old now! How long are you gonna concentrate on getting the infrastructure in place (which the whole world agrees that you still by far lacking) before you put shoulder to the wheel in vastly improving your HDI levels.

Your people are desperately seeking medical help overseas, studying in foreign universities, drowning in the Mediterranean in search of greener pastures. I've never ever ever heard of Kenyans resorting to such measures in a desperate attempt to escape the conditions at home (even though they have a meagre $60 bln economy - as all of u like to mock).

As for Abuja & Lagos being World-Class cities, i'll leave that to the gallery to judge (it's like you didn't read the article on what constitutes a WCC). Don't even get me started on Eko Atlantic being a WCC. Did u say you have ALREADY built it? Yoh!

Your are trying hard to shy away from the simple fact that outsiders built your country's infrastructures 300 years before you got freedom. You can't compare the development put in place within that time frame with a country of 58 years old. That is the point.

Therefore, I don't think you would have been better off as you are now if you were left to start from the scratch as other Africans did. Count yourself lucky.

So, stop pretending you are better off without assistance. No, you should not have.

Desperately seeking for medical help oversea!? Why is our population increasing if you think there is no quality health services in Nigeria?

My friend, even South Koreans, Japanese, European etcetera are studying in foreign universities that are better than theirs.

There are many factors that leads to Nigeria going abroad to study.

1. If someone wants to do masters or PhD to boast his/her CV, he/shr will enroll to Havard or one prestigious universities abroad.

2. if the course one wishes to study is not available in any of our universities, he or she will seek for where to fulfill his/her dream.

3. if you are rich then you go abroad.

4. Foreign scholarship etcetera

My friend, you are talking as if our universities are empty. Far from it. However, the same Nigeria's universities have produced world achievers.

You say you never heard of Kenyan's desperate journeys to Europe!?

You go here am today. . Read.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/kenyans-brave-dangerous-journeys-hopes-slipping-europe&ved=2ahUKEwj409T207vfAhWtsqQKHSHlAyoQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0xw_R3R5q2EkF_o-9piQnC


Which gallery? Is it the 2009 outdated article you provided?

Eko Atlantic city is already built. Take that to the bank.

See Abuja in 1991 and see Abuja today.

Kur17:
That's the facts,

But don't console your self by trying to make us feel as northern Nigeria is in a different country or the old stories of coup,

It's only from the last decade that your country has swindled in almost all the positive spheres

On cars ownership per capita, what u just stated is blatant lies, Ken 1000/30. NIG 1000/20...

But what matters most is
How many of you lives below poverty line by %ge
What percentage of you can read and write?
How about reliable electricity supply?
Which %ge of child mortality do you have per 1000
How about security, how safe are you(remember this is about the entire country, no North or South)
What about your gen healthcare services?
How competent is your economy? How diversified is it?
How innovative are you? Where do you rank in Africa?
How about the ease of doing business?

Kenya beats you in all of the latter.

Your population should be your advantage, it's a liability bcz it's not educated, unempowered...and the list is endless

It's been proven here that most of your economic sectors can only produce twice as that of Kenya, and your population is ×4, that shows one Kenyan is twice as economically productive than a Nigerian

We also have our poor northern part

Stop Lying. We have done the service sector and Nigeria beat Kenya almost ×4.

And stop hidding behind population just to cover your incompetency because small countries with lesser than Kenyan population still beat you wella.

PROVERBZ:
bro what if I told u u Neva see anything hahahah more of the kano economic city its basically a modern market planned properly of course

the other part of the economic city has the residential part with modern building a few hotels and schools .

for now the starting with the stores and wear houses

it will have just a few tall buildings as the trade center

Na wa ooo. See silent development. Please, post more pics from Kano and other states department. It makes me happy.


Kenya will only focus on Nairobi.

kikuyu1:
TMKsouth,stop replying! The more you do the more you validate their delusions and projections! They'll convince themselves you're arguing out of inferiority complex!

This is an open secret.

TMKsouth:
NairaLanders please note this article is from 2009.

FULL REPORT (What Makes a City World-Class?)
https://www.forbes.com/2009/09/02/new-york-paris-mumbai-rome-berlin-opinions-21-century-cities-09-world-class-cities.html

FORBES MAGAZINE (2009)

Let’s be honest: There are some cities in the world that are worse–much worse–than others, cities from which a multitude would flee if offered half a chance to relocate elsewhere. Lagos comes to mind, as do Karachi, Lima, Nairobi, Cairo, Caracas, Dhaka, Jakarta, Manila … these are utterly charmless cities (such charm as there once was in a few of them has been murdered by noise, traffic, a teeming population, dirt and crime); these are edgy, aggressive and inhospitable cities, cities in which contempt for the resident is everywhere apparent, cities with few parks and sidewalks, and with scarcely any of the amenities that comprise the core of urban civilization.

So what, by contrast, makes up a city that people would opt to live in, to travel to, to long for? What makes a city, in effect, the Anti-Lagos or the Un-Caracas or the Not-Manila? What makes a city world-class, cosmopolitan and alluring? What makes a city, in sum, truly civilized? In pursuit of answers, I talked to a dozen urban and urbane people (accomplished city-dwellers all), who each gave me a personal reckoning–sometimes idiosyncratic–of what a city of this caliber must have. Their responses follow.

(Details on points below can be found on link at top of this page)

[b]1. Beauty at Night
2. Good public Toilets
3. Filthy-Rich People
4. A Great Train Station
5. Bars with Great Bartenders
6. Great Universities
7. Arresting Architecture[/b]
8. Diversity
9. An Encyclopedic Museum
10. Two Airports (one International, one Regional).

DOES YOUR CITY CUT IT / MAKE IT ON THE LIST?

Picture below: Lagos at Night

We do have all these in Lagos. Trust me.

Unfortunately, you are comparing Lagos of 10 year ago with now. Smh

TMKsouth:
You & I are gonna go round and round in circles. Clearly you value highrise buildings over a holistic Human Development Index approach. I don't know how many times you've asked how many new cities we've built. (EXHAUSTING)

SA couldn't (and shouldn't) have wasted public funds replicating inherited colonial cities in perfectly good condition at the expense of improving access to good healthcare, education, etc. to the previously disadvantaged majority.

In your case u argue u practically built your own cities from scratch. However, Nigeria has some of the lowest levels of access to quality (even basic) healthcare, education, social welfare, etc.

(Bolded) Anyway, check out my new thread of what constitutes A WORLD CLASS city before throwing that term around. It's under the TRAVEL SECTION.

Where did you see in my post I emphasized on building 'World class city?

I said world class infrastructures and that was the reason I used building of universities as an example.

Off course, we did built world class cities like Abuja, Eko Atlantic and Lagos but that is just part of the fraction of infrastructures on ground.

However, how do you improve human development without infrastructure?

The point still remains that those infrastructures were already put in place before you augment on them. It's as simlple as that and you can't deny this pure undiluted fact.

Nobody said you should waste public funds to build cities because we all know there was no need for that since it was already on ground.

Unfortunately, the impression given by you and what you want us to believe is that you did everything without any outsiders assistant. That is not true.

Nevertheless, I acknowledge you have improved on the infrastructures on ground afterwards. Do you get the gist?

genieluv:
@Bolded. Really which university was built by the British in Nigeria?
Are you referring to UI or Yabatech which were previously just college campuses of a University in Britain? If yes, it wasn't a full blown university!
***** University of Nigeria (Nsukka) was Nigeria's first university and it wasn't built by the British.

You are right anyway but UI infrastructures where built by the British.