Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 8:54pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
justineu: is it ondo or ekiti people that beg for plate of rice during last election or osun that is filled with shanty houses, or ibadan the brown roof republic or ogun state that is filled with with ritualist.. You cant compare those shanty areas with any eastern state.  There's no places in those cities I have not been to save Awka but I can tell you they are no match. Lagos (Ikeja, Island, Ikorodu etc) Ibadan Abeokuta Akure Oshogbo Mowe Agbara Ota |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 8:30pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
justineu: owerri Enugu Awka Ebonyi Umuahia. The people are the IGBOS.
So what next. And you think they are more planned and cleaner than all the cities in the west?  The only that can compete with the 3rd and 4th cities in the west is Enugu. The rest are no match for the top 4.  |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 8:21pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
obataokenwa: Everywhere is a dungeon over there. You don't know the name of the dungeons? |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 8:15pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
justineu: baba u knw igbos are knw as the cleaness tribe in Nigeria and everyone know the dirtiest tribe  Mention the planned cities in the East and the clean people living in them? Thanks  |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 8:11pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
seniorkachion: What a question! The Enugu NB brewery is the youngest brewery built by Nigeria Breweries. It was commissioner in 2003 and cost 220million dollars. It is the largest in Africa. In case you think South Africa has a bigger brewery. Not so. Can you please provide proof to your claims? |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 8:06pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
justineu: the problem is that there is no difference btw kogi state and some part of south west state because you guys almost Av same culture and religion.
The City look sloppy, very rocky areas, shanty houses, unplanned houses and roads and their people are dirty.. Sorry oo buh that my observation, go to kogi state n confirm, no diff with southwest state apart frm Lagos How many planned cities are in the East with good roads and clean people?  |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 8:03pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
obataokenwa: . travel from Lagos to Abuja, nothing is glorifying about Yoruba states. Bushes mountains and all are scary. Dungeons called villages Mention one village in the west. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Were The 5 Foolish Virgins Foolish And Who Are They Referring To? by forgiveness(op): 7:57pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
analice107: Let me put it this way. There are 4 types of people in Church. 1. The way side Christians 2. The thorny Christians 3. The Rocky Christians 4 The Good soil Christians.
Luke 8:12-15
In this Category only 1 class makes profit of the word he/she hears.
But in the last Class of those who makes profit of the spoken word, there are also 2 categories.
The ones who Watches and Prays and the Ones who fall asleep because they feel the master is taking to long to come, or the master is not fast enough. They depart from their first love and become lukewarm. Up today, down tomorrow.
The class who watches and prays, are those who haven received the Holy Spirit, maximized his full potentials, and were profited thereby.
They heard the Holy Spirit is a teacher, they use his teaching ministry.
They hear that the Holy Spirit is a Helper, they depended on Him for help.
They heard He is the comforter, they drew strength from Him.
They Depended on Him for everything. The Holy Spirit became a real person to them, and since the Holy Spirit knows the mind of the Father, He tells them what to do at all times. They are never taken by surprise.
But, the other believers (the 5 foolish virgins) who also received the Holy Spirit but took his gentleness for granted, are those who received salvation, but got careless along the line.
They, like many others today, became Carnal at a point, and the things of the spirit became duties to them, no more relationship based. They were no longer disciples, but Multitudes. They pray when in church only. Fast rarely, When the pastor takes too long in delivering a message, they complain. They wait to be told what to do in their father's house. Their zeal becomes cold.
The voice of the Holy Spirit becomes estranged to them. Reading the word becomes boring to them.
They no longer go to Christ just like a son goes to visit his father, it only becomes, "Father give me". These types are those who gossip in church. They pay more attention to the kind of clothes they wear to church.
This class falls back to those things Christ warned us against in Matt 6.
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew:6:32-33
This class of believers begins to seek first "all other things" hoping the kingdom of God shall be added unto them.
These are those referred to as the Foolish virgins. because, they will get so distracted by unnecessary activities, neglecting the holy spirit, and their master will come suddenly, then they will get the response, " Depart from me, you workers of iniquity for i know you not. Both the wise and the foolish virgins slumbered and slept. Meaning they were both not watching and praying as you said but the five wise virgins still entered with him why? The five foolish virgins in this story 'HAD NO OIL' meaning they never recieved the holy spirit. They were never saved. Isn't it? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Were The 5 Foolish Virgins Foolish And Who Are They Referring To? by forgiveness(op): 7:47pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
analice107: Let me ask you this, do you watch NatGeoWild? Okay we all do. Now, do you see Lions chasing after Rats? No, they ignore them.
Brother, Ignore Otem, he is less that an rodent. He could turn out to be a Lion. I have met many of them. |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 7:42pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
obataokenwa: You didn't answer my questions though... But I know deep down that you agree with me that Yoruba Villages are like dungeon or to say... Bermuda triangle There's big historical differences btw the West and the East. The West was urbanized way before the British came but the east was not urbanized. However, there are mud houses in the east. That's the bone of contention.  |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 7:33pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
seniorkachion: How big is the brewery? The Enugu brewery is the biggest in Africa! Is Enugu brewery still functional?  Besides it was the biggest in Nigeria or West Africa .  |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 7:27pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
obataokenwa: Even shrine houses I saw in Ohafia is roofed and well decorated. Bro, Yoruba villages are like dungeon and their fetishness made everyone to run away. Let's be truthful, when last did you guys travel to village with all your families? Oga, it's not part of my norms to display pictures here to disgrace ourselves else I would have posted enough red mud houses i personally snapped in Udi and some parts of Enugu even in Anambra and Abia state.  Take ya time ooo.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Were The 5 Foolish Virgins Foolish And Who Are They Referring To? by forgiveness(op): 7:23pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
OtemAtum: I don't have faith, I gave knowledge and experience. You are right. The knowledge and the experience of the life of the children of Israel formed the faith of Christianity. The knowledge and experience of the life of Prophet Mohammed formed the faith of Islam. Assuredly, your knowledge and experience formed the faith in you .'I don't believe anything' it has become your faith. |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 6:54pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
feelgoodInc: you people comparing west vs east should be ashamed of your self, we have 3 international ports that have been refused to be dredged and everything comes in through Lagos but a state like Anambra, Enugu, Rivers, and Cross River is competing with you. not to mention Imo state. competing with you guys, I've been to kwarra, oyo, and ogun, I was surprised to still see mud houses there. Enugu is the only state in the east with red sand(I stand corrected) but you won't see mud houses there, even in the village. You mean there's no red mud houses in Enugu and the East?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Were The 5 Foolish Virgins Foolish And Who Are They Referring To? by forgiveness(op): 6:49pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
OtemAtum: I don't believe anything. Ask me what I know and I'll tell you. .. That is your faith and religion. Every human being has faith. It could be to believe in God or believe in Allah. It's still called faith. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Were The 5 Foolish Virgins Foolish And Who Are They Referring To? by forgiveness(op): 6:38pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
OtemAtum: I don't practice religion. What do you believe? |
Politics › Re: 10 Most Industrialized States In Nigeria by forgiveness: 6:29pm On Jun 18, 2017 |
naturalman: Which Oyo is more industrialized than Enugu?
Only Nigeria brewery will swallow all those industries in Oyo state You are veryyyyyyy ignorant. Walahi.  Nigeria brewery only in Enugu? Is the brewery functioning? Bhuuuhahaha! Oga, there are functional Nigeria brewery in Ibadan and Pabod Breweries Limited (PBL), a subsidiary of SAB Miller, has commenced the production of Castle Milk Stout (CMS) in Nigeria.  Seven up bottling company.. Flour mills of Nigeria Premier feed Mills Rom Oil Mills Limited was recently inaugurated as the biggest automated edible oil refinery and margarine company in Sub-Saharan Africa in Ibadan. The firm, a subsidiary company of Flour Mills of Nigeria Plc, is expected to refine crude palm kernel oil, crude palm oil and crude soyabean oil into refined oil and distilled fatty acids. Governor Ajimobi expressed satisfaction with the rate at which investors had been trooping to the state, stating that “ Oyo State boasts of the presence of a leading soya milk manufacturing company in Nigeria, the largest bread-making factory West Africa, the Number One day-old chicks agricultural company in Nigeria, the biggest support service provider for the telecoms industry in Nigeria, among others. https://www.nairaland.com/1988385/rom-oil-mills-biggest-edibleI have not mentioned the biscuit industry, paper industry, Tobacco industry, automobile industry etc. Oga, Enugu is no near only Ibadan for industry not to talk of the whole state. That is suicidal.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Were The 5 Foolish Virgins Foolish And Who Are They Referring To? by forgiveness(op): 6:05am On Jun 18, 2017 |
OtemAtum: Here is exactly where FAULKIN(Yeshua) copied the EVENT OF THE 10 VIRGINS FROM AND REPHRASED IT IN FORM OF PARABLE. [b] Doctufos :2nd Motus 29:1-21 1. In the land where Abe had possessed, he did not make any homos for himself, but his wife Anurk had a child for him, which was a female. And they named her Mango. Now the mother of Mango was very beautiful to look upon. And the brother of Abe, whose name was Yami, thought to have his wife to himself. And he forced himself on Anurk the wife of Abe. Now when Abe heard it, he was sad. And he sent Anurk away because she did not resist Yami when he was forcing his rod into her chamber. 2. And Mango thought to follow her mother but Abe did not permit her. Then Abe thought, saying, now shall I marry many virgins and be with them to take my mind off the thought of Anurk my wife. I shall marry no goddess now, but a virgin homo shall I marry. 3. Now Abe made the proclamation in the land of Chichaleb and in Euchlydes and also in Philargas, saying, a god is in need of virgins which he shall wed. Now let the virgins come from both east and west and north and south of the continents of the world and I shall select the best of them. 4. Now about hundred virgins gathered in Euchlydes. And Abe said, now shall I make selections, but all these virgins are beautiful, therefore shall I make my selection not about their beauty but about wisdom. 5. Now Abe said, go into the rivers every one of you to fetch water. Now bring the water before me. Then shall you return to wash my feet with them. And those who shall return before the setting of the sun shall I take to be my wives. 6. Then the homo-virgins went to fetch water. Now the waters which were closest to the city of Abe did he command some to pollute with dirt. Now the virgins went in search of water to fill their pots. And they came to all the rivers that are near to the city of Abe, but they were all polluted. 7. Now about two-third of the virgins fetched the water like that, saying, all the waters near the city of our lord are dirty, and if we go farther to seek clean water, then shall the sun set. Is it not better to fetch the waters like that? More so, our lord did not say that he would drink the water, but he had said that he would wash his legs with them. 8. Then the other virgins said, we shall go further to search for clean water. And if the sun sets before we return, we do not care. For our lord is much more worthy to have clean water to wash his feet. 9. Now the virgins which had the dirty water hurried back to the city of Abe and set their waterpots before his feet, saying, we have arrived before the sunset as you wished. Then they washed the feet of Abe with the dirty water, which was smelly and hot also, because they had walked under the sun with the water balanced on their heads. 10. Now Abe complained, saying, why do you wash my legs with dirty and stinking water like this? And it is even hot for my leg. Can you not get me clean water? 11. Now the virgins who went farther to get clean water began to return, but some of them after fetching the water began to say, it is past sunset, why should we bother any longer to take the water to the city? Then they cast their waterpots away and returned to their town, saying, we have failed our lord. 12. Now only ten of the virgins said, it is better we see things to the end of it. And they took their waterpots and went with them slowly, for they were tired. Now when they got to the city of Abe, they put down the pots. 13. And Abe saw that the water in them were clean. Then he said, come and wash my feet, for I have been looking for clean water for a long time, but could not find any. Now you have passed my test because you did not consider yourself, but you have considered he who sent you to fetch the water. And you have gone far to fetch me clean water which is also cool. 14. And they washed the feet of Abe. 15. Again did Abe say, I wish to marry the ten of you at once, but first, return to your own places again and fetch a lamp and put oil in them. For it is the custom in my land that a bride should give a burning lamp to the bridegroom at the time of the marriage. 16. Now also, invite the people of your land to the feast. Then the virgins did as they were told. And they went to their own places. Then did they return the next day. Now Yeshua heard of the marriage feast Abe had planned and he went to the place. Some gods in other places also came to see how things would go. 17. Now a servant of Abe commanded the virgins, saying, put on your lamps now, for the bridegroom will soon be here to receive them from your hands. Then the ten virgins put on their lamps, and they waited for the arrival of the bridegroom who shall collect the lamps from them. But it took the bridegroom a long time and no one knew where he had been, not even the gods and the titans who attended the feast, except his servants. 18. Now some gods departed the place in fury when it was getting dark, but all the virgins knew that it could be a test, just like at the first time. And they all remained where they were. 19. Now some of them, whose lamps had little oil in them, began to lament when their lamps were quenched. And they demanded of the others to give them little oils from their own lamps, but they did not answer them. 20. Now the bridegroom appeared and saw that five of them had lamps without fire on them, while the other five had burning lamps. Then he took in those whose lamps were burning and married them, but the other five did he not marry. And they wept bitterly. 21. Then did Abe mated with the virgins and from them did he raise children. And the land of Abe began to have homos in them like the lands of many other gods. And Mango her daughter, which Anurk gave to him, began to rule over the homos as their goddess. What is the name of your religion? |
Christianity Etc › Why Were The 5 Foolish Virgins Foolish And Who Are They Referring To? by forgiveness(op): 2:06am On Jun 18, 2017*. Modified: 2:34am On Jun 18, 2017 |
In Matthew 25:1 - 13, stated that the kingdom of heaven be likened to 10 virgins, which took their lamps and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
While the bridegroom tarried they both slumbered and slept.
And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
At the end of the story, the five of the wise that also slumbered and sleep while the bridegroom tarried entered in with HIM to the marriage but the foolish couldn't enter with him to the marriage.
So, why are the five foolish virgins foolish?
The answer is 'they were forsaken even though they waited for the bridegroom(Jesus). How?
Matthew 25:12 ' But he answered and said to them(five foolish virgins), verily i say unto you, I know you not.'
Because Jesus said he doesn't know them.
Now, that is foolish of them to have waited in vain for the person who never knew them. Matthew 7: 21.
Are these five foolish virgins referring to the non-Christians such as the Pagans, Muslims, Buddhist etc? Capital NO
why? Because Pagans, Muslims, Buddhist etc are not waiting for the bridegroom. Matthew 25:1 '......they went forth to meet the bridegroom'
Who is the bridegroom? Jesus Christ
2 Corinth 11:2 "for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin."
[b]Revelation 19: 17 "Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself read[/b]y."
Therefore, the five foolish virgins are referring to the present day Christians waiting for the second coming of Jesus Christ who shall be 'FORSAKEN' at the end.
Many Christians shall be forsaken at the end.
What is the different between the five wise virgins and the five foolish virgins? Oil
25:3 'They that were foolish....took no oil'
25: 4 "But the wise took oil.."
What is oil? Holy spirit
1 John 2:27 But the anointing(oil) which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all tha
Meaning if you don't have oil(holy spirit) you are not saved though you are a Christian.
How do you know you as a Christian don't have? Bible said if you have 'SIN, YOU AREN'T SAVED THOUGH YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN.'
Act 2:8 "Peter answered them, "Every one of you must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus the Messiah for the forgiveness of your sins."
Because holy spirit can't dwell with sin.
Ephesians 1:13 And in Him you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, having heard and believed the word of ... in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
If you believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, you will be cleansed from all your sins, become holy as God and immediately, you will receive the gifts of holy spirit. Shalom. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:47pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
Icon4s: I wasn't disappointed when I checked the moniker. Of course, you should not because I will always act as ya market spoiler. Bhuuuhahaha!  In the Atm role, Etebor out Ajagun in. Do you have any problem with that? If you do, then in addition, Iwobi out(if he continues with his inconsistencies) Abdul Ajagun in.  We are not playing here.  |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:15pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
do4luv14: don't get me wrong man, let me do a little justice too ma reason,
starting from the keeper, we need a goalie who commands and organize his line , as well call the to order wen stray, ENYEAMA
we have a standing defence with youngsters coming up,
a good front 4, NDIDI, " his position for club"
a combative CM to take command of milfield and to install calm MIKEL,
an ATM who links up with the striker, as well ceed the striker, IWOBI & ETEBO
flying wingers V.MOSES, A.MOSES, A.MUSA,etc to be tormenting, sending crosses, as well contributing goals,
then IGHALO, in front. You will see magic, 4-4-1-1, or 4-3-3, or 4-4-2 Commot Etebor put Abdul Ajagun for the ATM role. Chikena. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:14pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
signz: Please who's Nwokolor and what position does he play? Ok .look up and you will see the response to your question. Thanks |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 2:06pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
komekn: I would like to see what objective indices were used to pick a player who has played only 45 minutes of football all season in bottom relegation threatened Bundesliga club and who is recovering from Injury. There is nothing like objective indices for this our National team . It is all about man know know man. Chikena |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:53pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
PSG Set To Miss Out On Man City's Iheanacho, Buy-Back Clauses Illegal In FrancePublished: June 17, 2017 Paris Saint-Germain are set to miss out on the services of Africa's Most Promising Talent, Kelechi Iheanacho, in the summer transfer window, allnigeriasoccer.com understands. The French Ligue 1 moneybags had been monitoring the situation of the Manchester City striker, and scouted him during Nigeria's 3-0 rout of Togo in an international friendly held in Paris this month. The Citizens want a buy-back clause inserted into any deal taking Iheanacho out of the Etihad Stadium, but it has come to light that this type of arrangement is forbidden in France. Article 202 of the LFP regulations states : ''Club directors cannot sign off on a contract containing a ‘release clause’ (pre-agreeing, in exchange for compensation, the breach of the contract by either of the contracting parties), ‘cancellation clause’ or a unilateral termination clause with a French or foreign professional player, whether it be with the player or the club''. Iheanacho has been declared surplus to requirements by City manager Pep Guardiola, and they are eager to sell him to boost their transfer budget. He is reportedly a transfer target for West Ham, Leicester City, Crystal Palace and Borussia Dortmund. Ifeanyi Emmanuel http://allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=23445 |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:51pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
Liverpool Striker Among Top Ten Most Valuable Nigerian Teenagers (Full List)Published: June 17, 2017 Nigeria U23 international Taiwo Awoniyi is among the top ten most valuable Nigerian teenagers, according to the German website transfermarkt.com. The Liverpool striker, who has been linked with a departure from Anfield this summer on loan or permanently, will fetch €400,000 in transfer fees, and ranked fourth in the list. Samuel Kalu is now the most expensive Nigerian teenager, replacing Eupen frontman Henry Onyekuru who celebrated his 20th birthday on June 5. The Gent sensation is valued at three million euros, three times the amount the Belgians paid to secure his signature from AS Trencin less than six months ago, while Victor Osimhen (Wolfsburg) and Nura Abdullahi (Roma) complete the top three positions. Five of the top ten most valuable Nigerian teenagers play their trade with Italian clubs. Top Ten Most Valuable Nigerian Teenagers 1) Samuel Kalu (Gent) - €3 million 2) Victor Osimhen (Wolfsburg) - €1 million 3) Nura Abdullahi (Roma) - €0.5 million 4) Taiwo Awoniyi (Liverpool) - €0.4 million Orji Okonkwo (Bologna) - €0.4 million 6) Theophilus Awua (Inter Milan) - €0.3 million 7) Dennis Bonaventure (Club Brugge) - €0.3 million  Bright Enobakhare (Wolves) - €0.25 million David Okereke (Spezia) - €0.25 million 10) Franklyn Akammadu (Cesena) - €0.2 million Anthony Izuchukwu (FKH) - €0.2 mi http://allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=23444 |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:46pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
I smell...*sniff*  Rohr – I Rejected Bribes From Agents Who Want Their Players In Super Eagles The coach of the senior national team of Nigeria Gernot Rohr says only the best players will be called up to the senior national team of Nigeria despite push from agents to get their players in the team. Ade Ojeikere of Sportinglife reports the manager made the statement on Friday morning through one of his aide, who also confirmed that the manager rejected bribes and lobbies from European club agents who want their players in the team. Rohr’s aide revealed further that the manager closely monitors his players along with his assistants before picking those who are ready for the Nigeria assignment. The coach is even ready to show his employers the indices he uses to pick players for the country’s international matches. “‘ Rohr recognises the mistakes made by the largely inexperienced side. He knows how to come out of it, but he wouldn’t want to divulge his strategy since the world is a global village. ” Our next game is against Cameroon and happily they are busy in the Confederations Cup, which give us enough time to watch them”, Rohr’s aide said. Ade Emmanuel http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/890249443?-19787:21190:3 |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:41pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
Joebie: Another veteran has towed my line of thinking again.
by Segun Odegbami 16/06/2017, 16:52
Eagles - this time truly beaten
Last Saturday in Uyo, something went very wrong for Nigeria’s Super Eagles, and very right for South Africa’s Bafana Bafana.
While Nigerians were stunned into a state of disbelief by the pedestrian performance of their national team, South Africans were ecstatic in celebrating the heights to which their football soared in defeating the once-invincible Eagles with unbelievable ease.
The victory was not a fluke. It was real, and its significance is that, finally, the jinx of Nigeria’s 25-year superiority of competitive football between the two countries has been broken, the calabash shattered, and the myth destroyed, forever. Things will never be the same again between the two countries in football.
Such a feat by the South Africans, as was displayed by their team, is never accomplished in a day or in a sprint. Becoming a football giant is never achieved overnight. It is usually a marathon, a painstaking journey, a systematic progression through stages of slow development armed with the patience of a vulture that can produce such a performance.
In short, the improvement of Bafana Bafana is real. It has taken them all of 25 years to break through the psychological, physical and technical barriers that generally held them back for so long.
Nigeria has been their ultimate litmus test because, aside from never defeating Nigeria, it has never been an easy task for any country to accomplish. So, to do so on Nigerian ground was an exceptional feat that must be acknowledged, even though the Eagles were also abysmally poor on the night.
The South African team played with a lot of gusto, confidence, discipline, organisation and with a simple strategy that was executed effectively and masterfully. Towards the end of the match, they made the Nigerian team look like bungling school boys. The Nigerians resorted to the football of the 1960s – long, high hopeful balls from defence to a frontline that was tamed by towering defenders.
At the end of the day, everyone agrees, Gernot Rohr is to blame. It was all his fault, his mistakes, and his responsibility. The team he assembled was simply not good enough.
He took South Africa for granted and assumed that any team he assembled would defeat them based on history and past tradition. He played with the weakest goalkeeper to have ever kept goal for the Super Eagles. He played a young debutant in the heart of the defence.
He played with three great defensive midfielders in one team at the same time. Throughout most of the match they clashed in their roles. He did not have a holding midfield player as well as a creative midfield general. He did not play the young in-form forwards at the start of the game. He did not have the player(s) to calm things down when the going got tough, and to maintain some discipline in his formation.
Finally, he only deployed his new, young, in-form and lethal forwards late in the game when the match had already been lost. The players became totally lost, and will now require some deep psychological healing to regain their confidence going forward.
But having said all of that, I refuse to take back my words from last week that a new Super Eagles team is in the offing.
It is apparent that Rohr, the German manager of the Super Eagles, did not have the deep understanding of the psychology of Nigerian football - that you do not pamper players hewn on the rough, tough, crisis-driven and chaotic diet of Nigerian football. Clemens Westerhof made them ‘mad’ by depriving them, annoying them, challenging them and daring them before throwing them into the dungeon of hard games. Rohr must take a few lessons from his methods.
The greatest challenge Rohr will now have to face is how to rekindle the Nigerian spirit in the team and to restore the self-confidence that must have been shattered by their failure to live up to all the pre-match hype and huge expectations of Nigerians in the new players.
The absence of the experiences of players like Vincent Enyeama, John Mikel Obi and Victor Moses was apparent in that match. Those individuals were needed at a point during the match to calm down the players and help them to maintain their more effective passing game with fast runs down the flanks to break down the South African defence until the very end.
So, beyond last Saturday, Rohr’s work is well cut out for him. He must have learned new and useful lessons. Some elementary mistakes were made that must never be repeated.
He must get the Eagles to put this painful defeat behind them, and start to slowly nurture the team back to health. He needs time and many matches, both of which, unfortunately, are in short supply. He must finally reassure Nigerians about the future to secure their full support again.
Rohr, without question, has the right temperament. He is cool, calm and collected. The last things he needs now are any form of rebuke or interference by the NFF, its technical committee or the public. What he needs is support and understanding.
These Eagles can still be the future of Nigerian football if Rohr does not allow this one match to destabilise, discourage and distract him from his goal of a new and better Super Eagles team that can play at the highest levels.
He has embarked on the journey already and is assembling the right kind of squad amongst those available presently around the world. He will encounter hiccups like the South African defeat along the way, but how he manages to weather the storms and still maintain a winning tradition through the critical and difficult matches ahead will be his ultimate challenge.
The team needs an injection of a few critical mature and experienced players in the side, particularly in goal, in the heart of the defense and in the attacking midfield position.
It needs a creative midfield general, an artist, a player that can hold the ball and deliver ‘killer’ passes to free a frontline brimming with goal-scoring talent. The very quick attackers must be filled with the confidence and freedom to take on defenders, use the spaces in the flanks and their natural physicality within the box to finish in front of goal.
So, although their wings are temporarily clipped, they will soon grow back, and the Eagles will fly high once again.
This time the Super Eagles were truly well beaten. I say congratulations to Bafana Bafana for a well-deserved victory!
https://www.supersport.com/football/blogs/segun-odegbami/Eagles_this_time_truly_beaten Professor Segun Odegbami the tactical mathematician, the first Nigerian to be nominated as the African footballer of the year, the game changer, etc you have spoken very very very very very reasonably, intelligently,plainly etc wella. I know many will not agree for one reason, and it's where you said 'he didn't play the young and inform forwards at the start of the game'. Bhuhahahaha! You should have been bold and plain enough to say forward instead of forwards o -ha! and nothing go do you.  Who doesn't know you're referring to the only infomed striker in the team called Kayode.  chaiiiii! Some people go get heart attack oooo, Can you imagine that out of the 11 players that started the match on the disastrous day only Shehu (image Cyprus player), Moses, Ndidi, Onazi, and Etebor are starters and regulars in their various clubs while the remaining 6 players are first class, second class and third class bench warmers. Meanwhile, Rohr was expecting American wander in that game jampacked with unfit players and expected to win soundly. That's is what I call mumunism coach.  |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:38am On Jun 17, 2017*. Modified: 2:24pm On Jun 17, 2017 |
True talk. Rohr is beginning to be seen as a bias coach else he wouldn't have ignored one the best player in the Championship for Bundesliga second division player, Portuguese second division player, and Cypriots league player. He's corrupt if he continues in this thread and he should be fired straight away. No nonsense should be allowed in the National team. Rohr made mistake excluding Championship players from Eagles – AlukoPublished June 17, 2017 Share Tweet Share Gernot Rohr Fulham forward, Sone Aluko, in this interview with Idris Adesina talks about the recent defeat of the Super Eagles by South Africa and how football can develop in Nigeria. At Fulham, you had a very busy season playing more than 45 games. How do you feel missing out on promotion at the last minute?It was a very good season I had with Fulham because I played a up to 50 matches – both in the league and the Cup games. It was quite unfortunate that we couldn’t get promotion to the Premier League at the end of last season because we lost out in the playoffs. But we will go back and keep working hard and see what we get at the end of next season. Fulham is a good club with a strong structure, a good coach and a crop of good players – they’ve been in the Premier League before – so it is not going to be easy but we can achieve it as much as we almost did last season. You have been out of the Super Eagles for a while and you have said you will like to return. Do you see your return coming soon?I am still a Nigerian player and the joy of any player is to have as many national caps as possible under his belt. The coach (Gernot Rohr) has a plicy of looking at players in the top leagues in Europe and not in the English Championship. But that is a mistake on his part because there are many good players in the league. Many other African countries select their players from the Championship. Some of my teammates at Fulham like Floyd Ayite of Togo and Neeskens Kebano of DR Congo still get call ups because they are regulars at the club. It is painful that you played more than 40 games for your club but your national team coach didn’t have a look at you. The Championship is actually one of the toughest leagues to play in – tougher than some of the top leagues of some countries in Europe – but I believe that when the time comes, I will get another go in the national team. For now I am focusing on my club career at Fulham and working at ensuring we get a return to the Premier League. Your two goals against South Africa in the qualifiers for the 2015 African Cup of Nations saved the country from what would have been a disgrace. How did you feel when the country lost 2-0 to Bafana Bafana in another AFCON qualifier in Uyo?It was really sad to see that Nigeria couldn’t make the 2015 and 2017 AFCONs. But it was ironical that the same team I scored two goals against as a substitute in 2014 came to defeat us at the same stadium three years after. Having the record against South Africa back then intact was good but the loss last Saturday in Uyo was not too good. It showed that the team need to be worked upon. To lose is bad but to lose to a team you have never lost to and on home turf was worse. What do you think of the Eagles’ chances in the remaining 2019 AFCON and 2018 World Cup qualifiers?The Eagles are made up of fighters and I believe that the team will bounce back from the defeat and get their acts together to still qualify for the World Cup and the AFCON. The coach only needs to work on the areas of weaknesses and get the right players for the job. The England U-20 team, who just won the U-20 World Cup, have six players of Nigerian descent. Would you advice them to choose Nigeria ahead of England for their senior careers?As a footballer and with the experience I have had with the Eagles, I would have them think twice before choosing Nigeria because the country has not been treating those who previously made the decision well. But as a Nigerian, I will encourage them to choose Nigeria because they have a higher chance of playing for the team than in England. You have to be extra-talented and consistent to play for the Three Lions. I chose Nigeria ahead of England but since I made the switch, I haven’t had much playing time. Probably because I wasn’t lucky enough – a lot of factors like the frequent change of coaches – and each coach will have some players he’d like to feature in games. So, it actually comes down to how Nigeria is willing to treat them before they can choose the Eagles ahead of the Lions. This is the third edition of the Ambassador’s Cup. What is the rationale behind the organisation of this competition?The Ambassador’s Cup was borne out of my desire to see football grow from the grassroots. I discovered that these recent years, I come to Nigeria more frequently during the off-season and I thought that I could use that window to get something together for the footballers at the grassroots. Nigeria is filled with talents but the platforms to show them are not there. I want to give a platform to help them nurture their talents and see what could be done to help the exceptional ones among them. I also see it as an opportunity to encourage them to be more steadfast in what they are doing and know that success comes with opportunities while learning lifetime behaviours as well. The goal of the competition is to take football everywhere – including universities – while getting them to focus on their education as well. The competition is held in partnership with COD United…Yes. COD United shares my vision and values of youth empowerment through football. We share the same belief of giving the young players the opportunity to showcase their talents through the sport. We’ve been together for close to five years now and every year the competition is growing stronger. It’s been fulfilling doing this and I believe that I am investing into the Nigerian society because it’s not the same as giving back – I didn’t grow in the system – so seeing the growth and the talents being transformed into good players gives me a sense of fulfilment. How will you assess the level of footballing talents we have here in Nigeria?Talents are in abundance in this country but not much has changed in terms of opportunities to showcase these talents. Football is a passion here so all the children play football regularly and follow it. Whatever age-grade you want to have, they are there ready to be nurtured into stars. Getting the talents is not the problem with Nigerian football but the structure to grow them and give them the opportunity they require is the greatest challenge of football in Nigeria. What do you think of this competition in a few years time?I want to be the pioneer to a lot of other players out there to come back home and do something such as this. In a few years, I want to look back and see that more opportunities have been created for these young ones through such competitions as this put together by other players abroad. What are the challenges of putting the Ambassador’s Cup together?There are lots of challenges but with a team and partner like COD United, the challenges are reduced. For instance, I can only be in Nigeria for a maximum of two weeks in a year. Without a team like COD already here, getting to organise this competition within that space of time will be tough. But with them, most of the work needed to be done would have been arranged while we only tidy the other loose ends when I come around. https://www.google.com.ng/amp/punchng.com/rohr-made-mistake-excluding-championship-players-from-eagles-aluko/amp/ |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:27am On Jun 17, 2017 |
TheSuperNerd: Just as I predicted.... the thread went into a bashing tone just because of one loss.... 
I could easily predict who will bash who.... 
Sir TheGoodJoe... thank you for your invaluable analyses. You tried to be objective and you were to a great extent.... but when it came to Akpeyi. Lemme say this.... That guy is a nightmare... yeah... but he is better than an Agbim at least. "Slightly Better"... lol. That first goal have beaten a good number goalies I know and have seen on TV in top leagues. Besides... there is the saying that a "Header on target is 9 out of 10 times a goal".... that saying was back in the days when I was a junior forward in secondary school. I just recoined it... 
And On Awaziem... wow! I remember being among the first to say His partnership with Ekong will likely feature against South Africa. I said so after the Togo game.... honestly when I saw him in the line-up, Initially I was happy... lad is good quality no doubt. But well... the occasion was too much for him and yes he had a game he wouldn't wanna remember but I wouldn't blame him entirely. Our Midfield was the problem >>>>> MIGHTY TRUTH... IF NO ONE HAMMERS ON THIS, THEN THAT PERSON IS TALKING ABSOLUTE TRASH.
I remember when I dropped a post here warning that that game will be lost and won in the midfield. I listed Furman and even a Zungu as men to be wary of but also said if our midfield three of Onazi, Ndidi and Etebo clicks.. then it would not be an issue. But On Saturday I saw The New Revelation of St. Eagles....
It seems Onazi and Ndidi cannot play together... On paper that midfield three looks really good and solid... but when played out... what did we see?? too many overhit passes to the forward line especially the center forward line... Iheanacho suffered Majorly from poor service and too many over hit passes and through balls... Up to about four or five times in that first half, My Goodness, Had it been Mikel or lemme say An Ajagun (WHERE IS FORGIVENESS?? He hasn't even taken advantage to make case for Ajagun since Etebo as a 10 just didn't click...), Iheanacho would have gotten those balls well hit to him and he will do the rest... and wreck those Southies.... but it was not to be..... Even a few minds who saw the game with me were always asking "Plsss, who is the person in that midfield hitting these rockets to outer space when the no.9 is just there and have opened up??" smh...
... But Hey Iheanacho also didn't have a great game.. he was simply below par but ofcos the best Eagles Chance of the first half was created by Him... Etebo flunked it!!! if Nacho had missed that we will be seeing new tones from the prosecuting attorney of Sir Goldfish80 and Sir Mickael2 pointing it out with the "I told you so" and "Nacho is not top quality" sticks.... loollll
Well... they both have been doing a good job of it lately. Kudos to their "Attorneyship" 
It is amazing how Iheanacho became the center of the blame here when the midfield was the Eagles' problem all game!!! All the players were poor.... most especially all the midfielders.... Onazi (love him when he tries to make amends but in doing so some times, he ends up scattering our midfield organization), Ndidi (my favorite MF in the team after Mikel... lad was all over the place and no where at all... lol), and Etebo (our beloved workhorse.... was just confused as the guys watching and wondering who the hell is hitting those poor balls from the CMF/AMF positions to Kentucky when Nacho was in Baltimore) were all poor....... buuuutttt Simon Moses gave me the best response I expected from the other players when we went one nil down.
Simon moses showcased the fight and hunger in him with his daring plays...... but ofcos his end product is still lacking but at least we saw the fight in the lad.
I didn't see this fight in Iheanacho.... sorry... I Love him but he should have taken the bull by the horn also... seeing how scattered our midfielders were... Nacho should have talked to Etebo and Onazi (captain on the day and one of two most experienced players on the field that day)..... boned the tactics that were not working and simply taken matters into his hands... Like Dropping deep and allowing Etebo take up advanced positions upfront while he Nacho under chameleon effect takes over the No.10 role... he is still good at that (the no 10 role) God Dammit!!!!! 
That way Ndidi and Onazi will adjust and Maybe.. just maybe we would have salvaged a draw.... who knows?
NOW THIS IS ME TALKING FROM A PERSONAL ANALYTICAL STANDPOINT... BUT STILL, HE IS NOT TO BLAME... His primary duty as the no.9 was well defined and he stuck to it... but the passes from midfield were always Overhit and "overcooked" (Mind if I borrow that word Sir BascoVanVeli... thank you )
So in all.... I could go on and on.... But let me commend Sir Joebie for trying to bring back that science of the game talk.... gosh! our team really needs to be looked at and let us decide on the one formation that suits us... and the players best for that formation... Even if it means Iheanacho benches... then so be it mehn! I just Want the Super Eagles to grow into world class competitive level... but you see a player like Nacho?
I see him occupying a big role in this team's future.... we have to be fair when analysing the lad. The act he pulled when dragging his feet and being almost non-challant to the sub situation he found himself didn't actually mean Disrespect...... nooo... Nacho was not disrespecting anyone... neither was he just being Stupid.
Truth is this... from a keen psychological point of view... I have it on good authority that Nacho's attitude that day was the reaction you see from " Winners" or "Players with winners' attitude".... Champions beat and blame themselves even when the bulk of blame is not theirs to bear...
Nacho sees himself as one of the team's saviors when it matters most and HE JUST DIDN'T COME TO THE PARTY. He was just BELOW PAR. Yes we can talk on and on about the Over hit passes but truth is... Champions make the best out of any situation they find themselves and Nacho knew within himself that he didn't do enough. So he was right to shoulder the blame.. because that, right there, is what Champions (or players with champions attitude) do.
Teaser: Do you know that The June 10 historical loss to South Africa was Iheanacho's First Loss as A Super Eagles player when on the pitch?? He has only known Victories and draws... He was not even involved in the 1-0 loss in Alexandria, Egypt under Siasia...
That should tell you more of the psychological wave of guilt that swept through Nacho's mind when he saw himself being substituted... Imagine when you are nicknamed " Goals" and the coach takes you "Goals" out.... loolll... that is game over for you and for the team. Nacho knew that and he was indeed Below par in that game. Case Closed on Nacho. He will bounce back stronger I am sure... but let the best and most suitable start against Cameoroun... if august comes and it is still Nacho... then fellas... sorry... Nacho must play. Gbam!
Lemme end it here.... or should I? 
From now, let's move on forward... one loss cannot suddenly rubbish the fact that we indeed have a golden generation on our hands....
We just have to get things right and utilise the very best we have... NOT BASED ON WHO PLAYS FOR THE BIG CLUBS... NOPE! BUT ON WHO IS TOP QUALITY EAGLES MATERIALS....
Sir JOEBIE DROPPED A LIST OF THE CAMEROONIAN TEAM THAT CONQUERED AFRICA... I remember Sir Goldfish80 talking about the quality of that team... he was right about them and we saw how they roared to the title...
It is not in glamorous clubs that we must base our analysis of the team's Line-up....... it is in actual top talents and what these players can bring to the team...
When I talk for Iheanacho for instance, it is because I know what that lad brings and we all here know it too... we know his talents and his growing reputation... IT IS NOT because HE IS IN MANCHESTER CITY.... NOPE!!!
It is because Kelechi is truly a class-Act.
When I called Mikel World class... people said I was stupid... and just crazily sentimental... you see now that he is the one world class quality that would have won us that game against South Africa and even made Awaziem's debut look so good sef... I bet you that had Mikel been on that pitch leading that team... we would have won and Awaziem will be hailed as Omeruo's quick super replacement...
Mikel's quality alone covered for the team's loop holes... but many didn't know... yet Some time ago... some of you wanted Mikel out... it is okay... sebi I am still mad to call him World class...See as i just dey look all of una....
The only invasion the thread ever experienced was becos I called Mikel World class... Some even termed him useless and a non-entity.... chaiiii... Now guys are saying... Ohhh Mikel is so important to the team... he was greatly missed. Shut up joor! Na now some people dey know... Loolll 
Bottomline:
We need to move forward and do so wisely... WE MUST NOT BE OVERLY REACTIONARY because OF ONE LOSS... Like Sir Jospeh1013, I too am not bothered we lost... To be honest I kinda saw it coming after seeing Baxter's last batch of technical interviews before the game. He got our team spot on and knew we wouldn't be fielding a Mikel or moses or balogun or Ikeme... he played on our subtle weaknesses and exposed them... and that was my biggest silent fear... and our midfield made matters worse than worst.... 
I just didn't wanna be seen as suddenly "Pessimistic" which is why I stayed away long before the game began but coincidentally I also fell sick (wasn't feeling too good in the week leading up to the game)... so I'm back... and it is for us to move forward...
Enough of the bashings... Let's move forward...
Enough of "Experience vs Youth..."
Truth is Both failed us that day... But we have the chance to make things right.
We still have a new golden generation on our hands people... this is the gospel truth... let us not blow it.... we can see this through...
come on now... let's do this okay... come on y'all...
Let's make a come back...  I tire. I want Mikel Obi, Victor Moses, One of inform Chinko strikers ( Ideye or Martins), Enyeama, Aluko and Ikeme back to the national team. In addition, Abdul Ajagun (the only Nigerian player in Europe playing the no 10 role for almost 4 season consistently), Raheem Lawal, Nwokolor, Dominic Iorfa and Ezekiel Imoh (if he successfully moves to Turkey). |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:26am On Jun 17, 2017 |
TheSuperNerd: Exclusive – Nigeria U-17 Star Kingsley Michael Makes Bologna Pre Season Squad
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Nigeria youth international midfielder Kingsley Michael will join Serie A side Bologna when they resume for pre season training later in the month.
Michael joined the team in January but had to return back to Nigeria as his visa expired, but he is now processing a long stay visa which will see him have the chance to push for a spot in the main team.
Already his childhood friend and youth team counterpart Orji Okonkwo has broken into the first team of the Serie A side after a remarkable time with the youth team following his transfer last summer.
The duo will be hoping to reignite their partnership in pre season training with the Serie A side, with Okonkwo already tipped to have a big season by coach Roberto Donadoni who handed him a start against champions Juventus last season.
They were part of the all conquering Nigerian U-17 team of 2015 alongside the likes of Victor Osimhen, Lukman Zakari, Joel Osikeel, John Lazarus, David Enogela among others.
**Osas Mahawi
Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/06/16/exclusive-nigeria-u-17-star-kingsley-michael-makes-bologna-pre-season-squad-2/ I like this boy from the day he came off the bench during the U17 World cup to score. He was one of those who impressed me. He will go places from the look of things going well for him. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:23pm On Jun 15, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:
Please, Aluko should chill. It is not easy here. It is as simple as that. The likes of Keshi, Okocha, Kanu, Oliseh, Amunike and co. made lots of sacrifices to stay with the Super Eagles and keep the flag flying. That is why we need those who are ready to make sacrifices to play for the Super Eagles. Those who will go through challenges but keep turning up to play for the team.
That is why someone like Anichebe took off. It is not easy down here.
We need those who understand the sacrifice to shine in the green white green jerseys. Ask Mikel. Which sacrifice?  E be like say you just wan talk. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:06pm On Jun 15, 2017 |
Aluko's response says it all.  from Rangers to Hull only 6 caps with 2 goals. Smh where is the unity in diversity? Ex-England Youth Int'l Urges Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs Talents To Play For Nigeria Not Three LionsPublished: June 15, 2017 Ex-England Youth Int'l Urges Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs Talents To Play For Nigeria Not Three Lions Former England U19 international Sone Aluko has urged Chelsea duo Dominic Solanke and Fikayo Tomori, Liverpool midfielders Sheyi Ojo and Ovie Ejaria, Tottenham Hotspur's Josh Onomah and Everton teen sensation Ademola Lookman to switch their international allegiance from England to Nigeria. The Fulham winger admitted that it would be difficult for the Nigerian Federation to convince the six players, who starred for England U20s at the World Cup, to represent the Super Eagles because they learnt their craft and were raised in England. ''The onus is on Nigeria and not the players. Nigeria have to make it attractive for these players to leave the path they've known,'' Aluko said to Complete Sports. ''After being in the English system, and Nigeria who have never invested in their career invite them, it would be difficult.'' He added : ''Even me that can be described as a success story, I only have six caps, I haven't started in a competitive game for Super Eagles but I have scored two goals and people said I have done well. ''So it is the responsibility for Nigeria to make it attractive for them which I think is what they are trying to do now in getting these players. '' This website understands the Nigeria Football Federation have attempted to persuade Ojo, Ejaria, Onomah and Lookman to switch allegiance to play for Nigeria as opposed to their country of birth, while Solanke and Tomori wish to continue playing for England. Chelsea defender Ola Aina, a former England U19 captain, could make his competitive debut for the Super Eagles when they tackle Cameroon in August if the NFF sort out his paperwork in time. Igho Kingsley Photo Credit : thefa.com http://allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=23422 |